This could also explain why Darth Vader turned against Darth Sidious. By not teaching Vader the full power of the Dark Side, Sidious left the Light Side still be within Vader. This would end not only into betrayal, but also Vader turning away from the Sith and embrace the Light Side once more.
Yes, no, because funny enough, he did want the rule two commanded. He kill his master, but that why he wanted to die because he was emperor and was the last sith. He tried to suicide to kill the sith order by die. What ever you call Aniken or Vader this is why he wanted to die to kill the order because the past if as a Jedi and then you wonder why the old-school Sith didn’t want any Jedi to join the Sith.
It's always a balancing act. If they train their Apprentices better than themselves (have to advance learning) the Apprentice will kill the Master. But if they don't, the Apprentice can become resentful and kill for that reason.
No. You cant train the last of Vader's humanity away. That's all up to the person in question. Anakin would always remain no matter what because deep down hes always been decent.
@@freedomdude5420 No. Palpatine abandoned the Rule of Two because the revenge of the Sith had been fulfilled. The whole point of the Rule of Two was to allow every Dark Lord to be more powerful than the last and this went on for 1000 years until the Sith finally surpassed the Jedi and had developed a fool proof plan to eradicate the Jedi and reclaim their dominion over the galaxy. Palpatine was virtually the ultimate Banite Sith and the Galactic Empire was the culmination of everything Darth Bane set in motion. As such, the Rule of Two had become obsolete and Palpatine had become so powerful that he wouldn't need to be replaced. Although he did plan for Darth Vader to become more powerful than himself and therefore cement the Sith's eternal rule. But that was before he got chopped and burned on Mustafar.
No Force-sensitives can remove any aspect of the Force from themselves, this is the first lesson of the Force Priestesses; Yoda could not exorcise the Dark Side from himself, but he could conquer it by acknowledging it, and refusing to give it power. Vader could not exorcise the Light from himself, and I don't believe that Palpatine could either, although, the question of whether he had conquered it is another one entirely.
The one downside with Bane's philosophy is that it required a certain selflessness in the Sith Master...which is somewhat at odds with the very nature of the Sith which is exaltation of the individual. His philosophy was unquestionably superior to the other Sith Orders but it was still flawed through this.
The nature of the dark side is to expand, grow, and dominate it was never meant to become stagnant in one host it would defeat the purpose of growth. Most Sith fail to recognize this Bane acknowledged that no matter how powerful a Sith becomes if there is a withholding of the darksides power due to selfishness and ego then knowledge of the darkside itself that has accumulated within that individual or Sith Order will become ultimately lost. This is where the Jedi excels in order to perserve the Jedi Order knowledge of past masters are always availabe. The only way newer and more powerful Sith could emerge is through an eternal process of growth with the Master holding power and the apprentice craving it. Plagueis and Sidious ultimately wanted to avoid death and passing on their power, thus the rule of two failed on their watch. There is somewhat a special bond in this philosophy that can be likened to a father son relationship. As the patriarch of the family a father must pass on all his knowledge and trade to his son before he dies in order to prepare his successor in facing life challenges with ease, otherwise if the son turns into a failure because of the father's negligence and lack of training then the whole legacy of his family will be lost. The inherent flaw in Sith philosophy itself is not to share power, thus after the fall of Darth Krayt his order fell into disarray as Bane predicted.
@@michaelrafaelmakapugay7314 Yes, but no. Ajunta Pall in Kotor 1 let us know the Dark Side has been tricking the Sith. Its goal is corruption and death of all. But they can be pawns, tricked because of the power they have to hurt others
No sith master intentionally wanted to die he or she only needed to train their apprentice to be their equal, and when the inevitable day came that the apprentice would challenge the master. The victor would continue the sith lineage
The creed seems pretty straightforward to me (philosophically speaking). It's how the sith characters use it that is interesting. The jedi Creed seems far more ambiguous too me. I think its intentional....
I wouldn't call it a failure. It let them go from defeat to ruling the galaxy in a mere 1000 years with only 2 people. The only mistake is not knowing precisely what would happen in 1000 years time. Defeat the Jedi, rule the galaxy, and then what? The farther you look into the future the less precise your vision is and Bane had to look beyond two game-changing events.
Surprisingly, this shows that the Sith were wise when they needed to be and not bloodlusty monsters. They had plans and desires but they were those of the Order as a whole, not of the individual.
Just because he won the fight didn’t mean he won the war. Even still, Sidious was too prideful, cocky, and overly confident in his power which led to his numerous defeats/deaths.
I really liked the video. Was very entertaining to me. Darth Bane is my favorite character. As far as Sith go. Be nice after Revan movie. They would make a Darth Bane movie.😄
Sidious' greatest mistake was slaying Dooku. Especially given the knowledge that he was going to move away from the "Rule of 2" Anakin didn't like Dooku, they would have not have been hard to keep separate. Also unlikely that they would team up, it's not like them eventually fighting one another for supremacy wouldn't have tickled Sidious immensely, and it's not like Anakin needed another dip into the dark side at that point by beheading the man. Dooku had valuable information, and would not have handed him over to the Senate immediately. Sidious could have twisted that fact to further implicate the Jedi in fostering the war, implemented "Order 66," and then sent in Dooku (who helped form the Seperatist alliance, had much clout within it, and could easily have influenced it) to dismantle their war machine claiming they had won (using the fall of the Jedi order as proof) and kill them then, instead of sending Vader in to axe them in the middle of planning (leaving scores of military equipment waiting to be found). Not to mention having his hands lopped off would have severely demoralized the man, making him that much more easy for Sidious to manipulate him.
Ye it really does, however i imagine it is because the helmet is designed for utility, in this case to keep the orbalisks from spreading to his face and restricting his vision e.t.c.
@@johni1979 like dont get me wrong, Darth Bane is my favorite SW character after Obi Wan, but before i got to read the books, all i saw before were images of him and i thought he was either an alien or just had a dumb helmet
Bane was right to chastise Krayt. His rule of one weakened the Sith and allowed for the infighting that Bane was trying to avoid to return. I also think Sidious never really cared much for the Rule of Two, just as his master didn't either. He felt it was outdated and redundant. I think he never intended to share power, and Vader after his crippling never had the strength to challenge him for Sith mastery, hence the Sith died with Sidious.
sharing power just quite simply makes no sense within sith teachings. why would a sith want to share power? its completely antithetical to their beliefs. Even if he did share power with vader... all it takes is for them both to die. All it takes is for them both to be on the same ship as its destroyed, or both to be killed in the same battle, or both to be hit by the same asteroid, or even just for one of them to become master when they're already too old to pass on their knowledge. Theres a million different ways it ends badly. Imagine if, say, palpatine had dooku as an apprentice, then dooku died of old age shortly after defeating palpatine somehow. Fantastic. Its over. darth bane was just a moron.
The other issue could be that plagues focused too much on preserving his own life that he accidentally directed palpatine on the path he was on. But there had to be an end goal to the rule of two and that was palpatine's idea was that he was to fulfill those years of work.
It is sort of Banes fault for not taking into account handling victory. I mean anyone could plan out a thousand year plan to slowly erode the Republic while gaining power in shadows. :)
I mean, the emperor came back after he took his unfortunate fall anyways. Yes, he died later but he did find out how. In the end, was thoughtful foresight by Bane or fortuitous circumstance? He believes that but in no way could Bane predict the capabilities of all further force users. Also, what was Bane's endgame? It essentially gets to a point then just stalls. Odd as his perception on how far to go with the force seemed very much in conflict with the Sith code of setting yourself not only physically free but in every way free. Including the force. I guess Sidious was truer to said code.
bane would have never accepted anakin as an apprentice. he warned that training a former light side user in the dark side risks them turning back to the light.
The rule of 2 limited the sith and knee capped them more than anything else. Power doesnt have to be shared, nor should it. The sith could thrive so long as there were rules as to how to handle infighting, and an absolute adherence to those rules. The issue was everyone was seeking power by any means necessary. That scheming lead the sith to downfall after downfall. If the sith simply focused on improving themselves or dying to try, the order would be unrivaled. Not stealing power or backstabbing, but learning secrets and techniques on your own, with conniving or scheming to murder a rival met with death. The order would grow in number and power, and the strongest would rule the rest (who would seek to rise themselves).
thats kinda similarish to how the order was *before* darth bane. He apparently got tired of watching the sith succede and do well, and decided that it wasnt fair for them all to be working so well together within their ordered faction, and engineered their deaths out of spite. Still dunno why people think darth bane is such a great sith.
If Anakin Skywalker had not been defeated by OB1 the emperor would have trained Anakin properly he would have taught him everything he knew knowing that Anakin would eventually take over but because of what happened he was a great disappointment he wasn't Worthy he was now just an enforcer not a proper apprentice I think Vader felt this vampires disappointment in him after all Vader couldn't even use Force lightning
I don't know why they couldn't have wrote it in a way we're actually Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker could have lived at the end. That's what I don't understand because yes city is it was predicted that Sidious would do that if he didn't do the the two but I just think they should have made Darth Vader more powerful and able to stand up to Sidious instead of Vader just being a little we're all the power that Vader had it would be a pushover but if he wouldn't have got burnt and cut up at by obi wan trust and believe vader wouldn't of past the emperor long ago
How could the dark side not corrupt and bring a Sith Lord away from the rule of two? There is no eventual outcome that I see other than the destruction of the Sith because of their dedication to one side of the force.
So, what is the actual goal of the sith? If everyone only ever passes on their knowledge, then no one will ever achieve this goal. At which point they can call it quit? We are done here, I am Sith.
Darth Bane may not have been the most powerful Sith to ever live, but I'd be lying if I said he was one of the most important Sith to ever live. Ignore his wisdom at your own peril
So Bane was okay with his death. Talk aobut idiotic. I will train you to kill me. Then in my place you will train your apprentice to kill you. So on and so on. See the insanity there within the Sith? They are suicidal crazies.
It's massively ironic that the Sith who was exactly what Bane wanted in not keeping their power and knowledge from their Apprentice was killed by the Sith who refused to let his power be threatened and so destroyed the Sith Order (Plagueis - Sidious).
The irony is that if he succeeded in turning Luke Skywalker or if anakin hadn't been defined on Mustafar, Sidious would have found himself being replaced like it or not.
Honestly in both legends and canon it always confused me, he knew Vader would become more powerful than him in Revenge of the Sith but still wanted to rule the galaxy himself. Even if he threw Vader away he would've still probably been surpassed by the next Skywalker in terms of power and strength.
Could Darth Plagueis have achieved immortality. He originally didn`t want an apprentice (he saw no need) and he almost achieved immortality. Hypothetically, if he stuck to his original plan of not having an apprentice and therefore have no apprentice to kill him, could he have achieved eternal life and got rid of the rule of two.
Every single "immortal" Sith Lord ended up being, well, not immortal. Whether it's defeat in combat, or lack of a suitable host body at the time of death, or whatever, no matter how long life is prolonged, no Sith Lord will EVER live forever, period, and not planning for that absolute eventuality is planning for the destruction of the Sith.
@@coreythomas3633 REALLY.....? You REALLY believe the GREED & SELFISHNESS of the Darkside could be held at bay forever? Isn't that a contradiction of the very Nature of the darkside?
@@curtislangford3181 maybe I missed something but.... I don't see a contradiction in the sith creed. It's the jedi who have a contradictory nature. And it seems to me that both you and the person you yelled at, have valid points. The dark side is all about using human nature to take power (oversimplification). The jedi philosophy is all about using human nature to protect (insert ", and provide") power ( once again, an oversimplification). Bane's rule was an attempt to consolidate power. And push towards a more "gorilla warfare" tactic. Those too things combined created a strategic advantage. Just read "The Art of War". This Strategic advantage would see the sith survive through millennia of hunting. The beauty of it is; that at first glance, it seems like a jedi thing too do. Protecting the force, instead of manipulating it..... (While at the same time manipulating the force by consolidating the strength of the darkside. I Gotta' love the sith sticking it to the man. GO TEAM SOCRATES! ). Sometimes not losing, is winning.
There can only be two, one to represent power and one to crave it. The reason why Darth Bane introduced this rule was because he believed there wer too many sith, diluting the dark side of the force. Having only two ensures a purity and undiluted access to the power. Logically, the idea of a master to represent power and an apprentice to crave it ensures that there can be no complacency and the law of survival of the fittest is maintained. This is because this rule means that once the apprentice exceeds the master in power, the weaker master is eliminated and the ascending apprentice is proven to be the more powerful and worthy master
Bane: You gotta stay hungry kids, so you can fight The Man! Sid: How can I stick it to The Man, Bane, when I'm The Man? WHY should I stick it to The Man when I'm The Man? Bane: I dunno, you just should! Sid: This is nuts, I'm gonna work on that immortality thing, and some Sith strength super-duper skin cream....
I thought the real sith did die with palpatine. He never trained a successor and so when he died, the sith did. Jacen solo and krayt were powerful dark jedi more than anything.
You're not wrong. The Sith have always needed a strong leader that could throw even a group of uprisers in the trash. That period of time under Valkorion, even with the infighting and whatnot, was probably the best and most stable for the Sith Empire. I like Bane, and Zannah, and the plan did sort of succeed, but in Palps (and Darth Gravid) you see the weakness of the Rule of Two: it only takes One to screw it all up.
So did Vader know of the Rule of 2? I would assume he had heard of it, since at the very least Yoda knew in the Phantom Menace. That’s the only way I would presume Vader learned of it: during his time as Anakin. I wouldn’t guess Sidious ever told him Also, I’m not good with pre-prequel era stuff. So what is all included in the “with grand plan”? And what all were the other with doing to try to accomplish it? Edit: I know what te Rule of 2 is, it’s the Grand Plan I needed clarification on and if Vader knew about both of those things. Thanks for all the info so far
If I remember the Rule of Two helped the Sith not die out completely as there would only be a master and apprentice (no infighting) and the grand plan would make Sith hide in the shadows and manipulate politics and the galaxy at large until they were able to form a Sith empire and destroy the Jedi
The grand plan was started by Bane. It's goal is the extinction of the Jedi and a powerful & ruling position for the Sith in the galaxy. His way to achieve that was for the Sith to live in the shadows, using underground networks to gain information, money, buildings, companies ... and most importantly influence over the years. In the end it was on Plagueis and Sidious to execute the final steps of the grand plan. If you want to know it detailed just read the Darth Bane books :)
The point of the rule of 2 was to guarantee the sith lived on and with each generation more powerful than before, all with the goal of destroying the Jedi and ruling the galaxy. But sidious wanted to rule from the spotlight not the shadows and there was his fall.
pkextra well a part of the grand plan was for the sith to slowly become more and more powerful with each generation bc the rule of 2 means that only apprentices stronger than their master can become the master, and they did this until the current sith lords were powerful enough to take over the galaxy. while we don’t know much about most of the sith between bane and sidious, a lot of their plan during the years before the battle of naboo was to manipulate events that would decrease support for the republic (especially in the outer rim) so that they would join the separatists.
@@AndreNitroX *no* sith would be content with ruling from the shadows. None. Its simply antithetical to the sith philosophy. Its ridiculous to expect any sith to do so. Also, I dont see a 'ruling from the shadows' route to eradicating the jedi. theres too many to just assassinate them one by one or anything like that. without a galactic spanning empire, theres no way they would ever defeat the jedi.
Sidious did have an apprentice though, so he didn't fully abandon the rule of two. I suspect that Sidious actually liked having a constant threat from Vader hanging around, something fun for him. And that having an apprentice existing means that the rule of two wasn't completely broken even if he intended to live forever. I could see Sidious continuing to train apprentices if Vader died, always someone dangerous to manipulate and mold.
Sidious knew that Vader was more powerful than him, even without the Sith Training, it is for that reason he refused to train him in everything he knew about the Dark Side or the Sith teachings. It is said that those with power have two desires, maintaining their power and growing it. It could be said that the moment Sidious stopped teaching Vader was the moment he stopped being a Sith. Who knows what may have happened had Sidious trained Vader and was eventually overthrown by Vader as per the Rule of Two.
Darth plagueis was more to blame for the siths downfall, he took time out of the grand plan for his own personal quest for immortality, his experiments with the force made the force strike back and create a being who would destroy the sith, the chosen one no less! Even though sidious was ultimately defeated, order 66 was devastating, the Jedi order would never be the same again, the siths damage to the galaxy would live on for generations, so the banes rule of two was successful
If Plagueis and Sidious focused on the Rule of Two, The Sith would ultimately conquered the Galaxy and later, when politics were no more a problem, discovered the secrets of eternal life
@@henriquecruzdasilva8398 That's kind of the problem. The Sith are selfish, they would never work together sufficient enough to achieve the ultimate goal, because there can't be two achieving it. To attain immortality in the material world is to possess the sufficient power to conquer everything else, or else, what would be the value of immortality for a Sith if he or she was a slave to another Sith? The failure of the Sith lies in the fact that a society based on selfishness will end up eating itself from within. The Jedi were meant to succeed, because no matter how weaker they were in comparison to the Sith Lords, they had the power of loyalty, authentic love for one another.
I counter argue that Plagueis was a massive benefit for the order with his scientific approach. Unlike other Sith he wrote all down which is IRONICALLY the reason why his student couldn't repeat all of his deepest knowledge about force manipulation - it was just too much to read... Also, the reason why Plagueis was so focused on immortality was because he was certain that he would acchieve it very soon while his student further fullfilled the great plan in the meantime. Then there would be no more need for the Rule of two since both would be immortal and could rule as partners. One could argue that this "naivety" in the last point was what cost the Sith the victory.
Their apprentice was NOT “guaranteed” to eliminate them. It was just that the strongest one would always be the current dark lord. If you defeat your apprentice, you were the stronger one and you stay in power. If somebody DOES topple you, so be it. That means they were stronger and deserved the title. That’s all Bane was saying, not that being eliminated was “guaranteed” at all.
Yeah bane wanted to live longer thru essence transfer..in order to train a new apprentice..since his current apprentice was reluctant to challenge him..
I love how deep is Star Wars Lore that we can actually explain events that happened in a certain moment with the philosophy of some characters that lived thousands of years ago in that universe. May the force be with all those who created the expanded universe, they work shall not be forgotten.
It's funny. While Sidious was the ultimate Sith, he pretty much destroyed the order or of the Sith. Or at least put it in hibernation for a very long time. If Disney hadn't already ruined Star Wars, I'd be interested in a far away in the future story where both the Jedi and Sith order have been abolished and merged into how the Je'daii were; with corrective measures to have a balance of both dark and light for all Force-sensitive practitioners.
I get that Darth Bane is fan favorite character and all but I never really thought he was all that clever, tbh. His entire theory of how the Rule of Two should play out relies on the Sith being SELFLESS, which is anathema to Sith philosophy. It shouldn't surprise anyone that it didn't take long for it to stray from his vision. Sure Bane was powerful and skilled but for all his bluster, I'm not convinced he ever really grasped Sith teachings.
He also accomplished absolutely nothing in his life, yet still berrates other sith for also accomplishing nothing. Like seriously. What did darth bane even do? Kill a bunch of other sith? make sure his own apprentice would kill him? wow, I'm so impressed...
I think it is clear that Sidious greatly respected and revered Bane insofar as the Rule of Two had competently kept the Sith Order alive and would prove successful in completing its master plan of destroying the Jedi. However, it is also clear that Sidious did not agree with everything Bane said, and his philosophy about the Rule of Two being a sort of end in itself rather than a means to an end is probably where the two Sith Lords diverge most prominently. Sidious believed very strongly in the Rule of Two (aside from when he broke it with Darth Maul, which was a necessity to keep up the appearance that he agreed with Plagueis that it was outdated), but he only believed in it as the next best thing until the Sith achieved what Sidious believed to be the ultimate goal: ultimate power concentrated in a single Sith, and immortality for that Sith. Once that was achieved, there would be no more need for the Rule of Two as there would be only one immortal Sith Lord ruling the galaxy. In this, I think Sidious would believe Bane to be naive in what the latter believed was the entire purpose of the Sith Order. For that matter, I am inclined to agree with Sidious, because the Sith Order has always been about selfishness and achieving total power for the self, in stark contrast to the Jedi; and Bane's philosophies carried a small bit of altruism that I believe is anathema to the core tenants of the Sith. Aside from that, the Rule of Two was an excellent means to an end.
Darth bane is a moron. His concept for the sith order is utterly antithetical to the sith. WHy would any sith serve the sith order, only to be killed at a future point in time? thats so contrary to why anyone would even choose to be sith in the first place. Not to mention he deliberately sabotaged the sith to get to that point. Darth bane is the absolute pinnacle of the failings of the sith. The order he destroyed out of his own twisted logic was the only sith order that actually had a chance of victory because it was the only one that operated as a cohesive whole. But, well, thats just the sith for you. Inherently self destructive. Theres really just no way the sith could ever actually win just because they'd sooner stab themselves in the back than just claim victory. Sidious's Rule of One was honestly the only way the sith could ever have a hope of victory- if he had simply abandoned Bane's rule of two entirely and just not sought an apprentice, the sith order may have actually won. Even here, where bane's so-called wisdom "foresees" sidious's defeat, its because of bane's ridiculous backwards logic where the sith are just *giving* away chances to kill themselves off. Sidious is the only sith to really come close to a true, complete victory, because he didnt structure his empire around the sith; he structured his empire around himself, so that there werent many threats to himself. If he just abandoned the need for an apprentice and finished his search for immortality, then he would have just been able to expand his influence further and further without end.
@@Vigriff Gave them a free thousand years of peace and basically made the sith order easy to destroy? Heh, yeah, pretty much. If he did the exact same thing as a jedi he'd probably be remembered as a hero.
Lord Kaan was weak asf bruh. Sith had become pu$$y and constantly killed each other until powers and knowledge were dwindled down. Bane saved the order by destroying it. He did rebuild it in secrecy quite well in Dynasty of Evil book. Smh fools.
@@lordoffaiyum9727 ah yes, rebuilt it to spend ten-thousand years doing absolutely nothing of note. Instead of ravaging the galaxy and nearly achieving ultimate victory. Darth bane's order's failure was inevitable. it only takes one apprentice- One!- to turn away from the dark side, and the entire order crumbled in an instant. Classic sith to preach on about how weak lord kaan was, when he achieved more than all of the 'powerful' sith lords so obsessed with their personal greatness that they forgot basic logic. The sith under darth bane, in truth, were weaker. They never had the strength to actually challenge the republic. What kind of power is it to rely on your enemy to provide you the means to defeat them? Isnt that antithetical to the sith teachings? isnt it antithetical to the sith teachings to expect years of selfless devotion to the sith order with little to no hope of actually achieving anything within your lifespan? Palpatine himself only failed BECAUSE he followed the darth bane route of having a main sith apprentice to succede him. If palpatine had simply not had an apprentice, it is doubtful he ever would have lost.
If it’s Darth bane. I’m there! Bane was such a visionary that why he made the rule of 2 to turn their weakness of infighting into a strength. Also he knew the sith could no longer rule the galaxy in the spotlight but instead in the shadows, but sidious literally stole the spotlight and got cocky.
To be fair, Sidious had really good reason to be cocky. 1.) The Jedi Order is gone. Sure there's a handful of Jedi survivors out there but their Order will likely never recover and it will certainly never enjoy its former glory and power ever again, let alone be a credible threat to the Empire. 2.) The Republic is gone, replaced by an Empire ruled by the Sith. What's more is that the Republic practically *begged* Sidious to rule them. 3.) The Jedi Order's long foretold Chosen One, who they anxiously awaited to save them from the Sith, turned to the dark side and *joined* the Sith, becoming the instrument of the Jedi's ultimate demise. The savior was made their executioner. From Sidious' perspective, the game is over. Checkmate. The Sith have won the ultimate and final victory. He has very good reason to be cocky.
@@onlycorndog6322 when you lay out the specifics, yes i agree with you. But if your a villain and you take over, it means you will always spend the rest of your life fighting to keep it. he should have predicted that there would be rebellions in the future, and when you hear that the son of anakin skywalker is leading the rebellion, i feel you should have some caution. I think that's why darth bane stated that even when the sith win, they should not rule in the spotlight but continue to rule from the shadows.
@@AndreNitroX Sidious knew there'd be rebellions, he just didn't think they had any realistic shot at overthrowing him without the aid of the Jedi. Imagine what would've happened if Luke *hadn't* been able to use the Force during the Deatg Star trench run? Sidious knew, for a fact, that Obi-Wan and Yoda survived Order 66 but (in legends at least) didn't see the need to hunt them down. Sure, it's possible they could train more Jedi but without the greater Jedi Order, there simply wouldn't be enough Jedi to make any difference. Plus, Sidious delighted in the knowledge thay the Jedi Order's two greatest champions would be forced to live out the rest of their lives in an Empire ruled by a Sith that had engineered the downfall of everything they held dear beneath their noses while knowing they are powerless to stop it. He adored the thought of Yoda and Obi-Wan rotting away on distant hidden worlds obsessing about what they could have done differently and torturing themselves with self-hatred and dispair. In fact, in the Book of Sith, Sidious explains that Yoda was "so convinced...by [his] superior insight that [he] was the easiest to deceive". As for the Luke dilema, in Legends it's difficult to overstate how disappointed Sidious was in Vader post-Mustafar. He ultimately saw Vader as a dismal and absolute failure and a net waste of effort but for his part in exterminating the Jedi. He was *constantly* seeking to replace Vader and Vader was *constantly* going around killing potential replacements while scheming to overthrow his Master (for example, the Force Unleashed games). Put yourself in Palpatine's shoes. You rule the galaxy. The Jedi are gone, as is the Republic and all who could realistically hope to oppose you. Your apprentice, however, is a disappointment and you want another (no big deal, you've done it at least twice before). The problem? Your current apprentice is Anakin Skywalkee and, even weakened as Vader, it's very unlikely you'll ever find anyone as powerful. But, wait! It turns out Padmé survived long enough to give birth to Anakin's son who, evidently, appears to be as powerful as his father and had the potential to surpass him. Well, problem solved! All you have to do is convert him the same way you did with Dooku and Anakin (both were Jedi already so seducing some nobody farm boy from the ass-crack of nowhere should be child's play in comparison). Should Sidious have foreseen that Luke would turn out to be as great a threat as he was? Yes, in fact he directly expresses his concerns in Episode 5 during his conversation with Vader aboard the Executor, declaring that "The son of Skywalker *must not* become a Jedi" or he could threaten everything they've built. In fact, it turned out to be Vader who suclggested turning Luke. Sidious is surprised at this, not because he hadn't thought of it himself but because that was his plan for Luke and Vader just offered to arrange for his own replacement. Perfect! Now all you have to do is have Vader capture Luke and bring him to you so you can roll up your sleeves and get to work turning him properly and make sure Vader doesn't screw it up. Well good news and bad news. Good news is that Vader and the 501st annihilated the Rebel Base on Hoth. That's good to hear. Bad news is that most of their leaders escaped and Luke was among them. Damn it! Well, worse news is that Vader had Luke in his grasp and let him escape. Double damnit! Okay, this isn't a defeat it's a setback. You can fix this. Hmmm think. Oh, idea! You'll set a big 'ol trap and give Luke no choice but to give himself to you willingly. Let the Rebels learn about the Death Star II, mass a big fuck-off fleet and a giant army at the planetside shield generator and wait. Give him time and Luke's compassion for his so-called "friends" will lead him to surrender. Well, surprise surprise, it worked and you finally have Luke at your fingertips. Excellent! Now to get rid of Vader. After all, you have a younger, more powerful, and more able-bodied alternative right here! So you have Vader and Luke fight, forcing Luke to use the dark side to kill Vader and then you'll just swoop in and shove him over the edge into becoming Sith. Wait, he won't kill Vader? That's not how this works, he's supposed to die! You used the dark side, I saw it, so why aren't you giving in to your anger?! Fuck it, I'll just kill Luke and find his sister. I'll do things right with her. Wait, Vader what are you doing!?
Doesn't make the rule of 2 any less stupid. Literally one mishap and that's the end of the Sith Order. Palpatine got greedy but was far smarter than Bane.
I disagree, the rule of two is what forced the sith to stay in hiding and defeat the Jedi through means of manipulation rather than brute force such as a war between the light and dark.
@@gmatz9390 lets say two sith were in a ship, that was then destroyed. Or two sith were locked in a room with poison gas. Or two sith were stranded on an asteroid or island with no way off. Or... I could keep going. Congrats. Sith order is toast, just like that. And we know for a fact this almost happened several times. It doesnt even need to be two. What if the master is getting old, and the apprentice dies? what if the apprentice tries to take out the master, and the master defeats them? well crap, there isnt time to raise an entire new apprentice, your already gonna die from old age. What if the apprentice simply decides they dont like the sith teachings? What if they cant find an apprentice? The sheer number of ways it can go wrong is staggering.
Sidious: Ah, but I ruled for over 20-30 years over the galaxy, something no other Sith truly accomplished, so I won from a certain point of view Bane: Do not think your successes justify your complacency, Sheev Anakin: You should've have really considered the problem of disillusion, Dessel
Bane's accomplishments really include "killing a bunch of other sith" and... nothing else. Honestly, he has no room to give sidious a hard time because he himself accomplished absolutely nothing.
You know it is ironic for the Sith to adopt the rule of two. The dark side is a power to obtain your desires now. Yet for Bane's plan to work, it required patience, which lends itself more to the light side of the force than the dark side.
I find it weird that an order that values deception and being power hungry expects two people to compete in a fair fight? If it's based on if the apprentice is strong enough in the force to ascend.
Darth Bane warned that the future sith can not become complacent, they must stay true to his established new order if they are to retake the Galaxy, ultimately they succeeded, sure sidious was eventually defeated but once the sith executed order 66 the Jedi order was never the same again, the sith were gone but they left a lasting impression on the Galaxy for generations to come. If any of the sith failed the order it was plagueis, taking time out from the grand plan to focus on his quest for immortality, and creating the chosen one to defeat the sith in the first place! Not so wise after all..
Was there any end-goal to the Rule of 2 or was it supposed to go on for ever? If so, what was the purpose of only accumulating power without ever using it to allout domination? I always feel like the Rule of 2 was a near perfect process, but a process with no true goal attained in the end.
Not only did Anakin Skywalker was let down by the jedi counsel he also was let down by sidous everyone whom vader or anakin trusted let him down so I think it was more than justified for him to turn to the dark side you know the writers of star wars could have written vaders story a lot better because even though Sidious didn't teach him how to unlock the dark side vader himself was smart and he by his self could have unlocked the dark side then it would have been better at the end of the movie where Sidious wouldn't have thought vader would be a foe that could stand toe to toe with him and overcome him but no the down played vader it would have been a better storyline than being thrown down a shaft
basically darth bane destroyed the sith, well if you look at the slavish intent by each following sith to palpatine and yeah he finally dies either in cannon or expanded, which goes to show the sith and the jedi were just two sides of the same coin, theres no difference, one side took babies from families did nothing bout slavery the other worked in the shadows and failed when darth sidius and his master forced the force to create the chosen one, niether side the jedi or the sith are ok. rey was all that could be, a grey jedi neither one nor other, a true balance because unlike luke who hated being trapped on a dessert planet after having an ok life in a fmily here rey who after everythig she had been through ... she was just kind. also im sure her light saber is a doublebladed version.
palpatine may had a lot respect for admiral thrawn by palpatine because you never hear Darth Vader or palpatine call him incompetent any was also an alien but yet the empire accepted him and he moved up very fast so it doesn't make sense at all at the end it series of rebels that sidious dislike him and just hate him and then in the beginning and middle of the series of Star wars. He was able got a lot of respect from palpatine and besides my top first favor in the imperial army is admiral thrawn he was just so intelligent I don't understand how can be disliked that the end
I still don't get it why a sith, who only cares about his own power, ought to sacrifice himself for the prosperity of an ideal like the rule of the two...
can i point out that Sidious knew tho that he was not going to rule the galaxy. He said he is no ruler and had no interest in ruling, he is a conqueror by all means. So there are a few contradictions within canon.
