Why Did Ben 10,000 Punch the Time Bomb And Die? 

Here is your idea on infinity worded a little differently: 1) character A has an infinite number of possible uses of their powers. 2) character A's powers can be numbered. Example: power No #284 can see all universes at the same time, Power No #285 can prevent things you see from being destroyed provided the destruction is limited to what you see. 3) now explain how character A is still infinite even when they can only use odd numbered abilities. 4) while character A has only odd numbered abilities they can't stop a Multiverse bomb using power No #285 like they would normally be able to because they currently can't pair it with ability #284. 5) even if a character B has both power No #284 and power No #285, and as a result CAN use power No #285 to stop a Multiverse bomb, it doesn't prove they have any power advantage over character A while character A can only use his odd numbered abilities. It just means character A should try a different method to stop the bomb than their "normal" method. I am not saying this is EXACTLY why Alien X was defeated here. This is just an oversimplification to why somebody with half their "infinite" powers might not be able to do what they think they can on their first try. I am saying it is entirely possible Alien X has what we might think of as "methods" of solving problems. In their minds they think: to fix this I'll do the usual method of doing some "X" also "Y" and little of "Z." If there is some "methodology" as we understand that idea to Alien X's powers: this could be a weakness if their power is combined/ mixed up with another power in some events. Maybe doing whatever "Y" is in this case functions a little differently resulting in what we observe as a temporary performance issues. As I am writing this I am slowly coming to the conclusion that this is still the weakest of the 3 ideas. Ben should really learn to have more backup strats if this is true, this explanation doesn't account for why ben couldn't have tried an infinite number of solutions at the same time since the bomb didn't work instantly.

My headcanon for celestialsapian fusions is that it just takes a finite sample of alien X's power and gives it to whatever alien its fusing with. Like imagine a celestialsapians powers as an infinite ocean and the biomnitrix fusions as the bucket that gets filled by said ocean. It makes sense for Ben 10 and for maths as a whole. That's my interpretation anyway but I'm biased into making it work in a real world mathematical because I've been studying constantly for my maths finals so I'm definitely more prone to analysing things mathematically at the moment lol.

I would like to say that how u explained the infinity of natural number being greater than infinity of even or odd number is a little wrong by my understanding. They r actually the same. All three infinity scales to same level. even, odd and positive nature number have same lvl of infinity. If you can't understand how think of it like this. Take the help of concept called bijection. Pair up every nature number with its multiple of two. For each positive natural no. You will have its positive multiple of two. Whether it is 1, 2, 6, 10,1000000 or ♾️ all these positive no. Will have their own multiple of two and hence will have a bijection or will be paired up. Therefore this tells us as long as natural no. line goes, the separate even or odd no. line goes just as long. This also tells us that all the infinity of natural no are same. What I mean by this is ♾️+1 is not greater then ♾️. They r same. Any amount of addition of positive natural no. to infinity will be same as the previous infinity. The infinity of real no. is what's bigger than natural no. infinity. Real no. r any number u can think of including fractional. Natural don't have fraction.

So theoretically this explanation of atomic x having half the power of atomic x is definitely false. And I think your source video should also be wrong if it explained infinity to you like this. No hate or whatever. I am just fascinated by concept of infinity.

In the first place, there isnt even any such thing as infinity in real life. There is only the universe and everything it encompasses. If its power is "infinite" then all it simply means is that its power is equal to all energy in the universe.

Yeah that's what really gets me. He sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing right then

Thats definitely the nail in that theory.

"Definitely taking this opportunity to make sure the kid knows which alien to use and why when the time comes"

There is something else to cutting infinity in half. Regardless if you cut infinity in half it will eventually reach all possible co figurative even without the same set of numbers because the values of such numbers are infinite. If the theory of how light works is true from the moment it is created it is also destroyed. To a particle of light's perspective it would seem like it never existed at all even though it stretches to infinity. Dividing that in half would just produce the same effect though the reaction to the effect could be longer or shorter depending on what exactly was taken away. In the end doing that combo might also belike a safety lock that makes Ben exist regardless of the outcome.

This makes sense to me.

mf could have rewind time himself or give that verse' ben the alien to do it

Even when ben was just a teenager he would still sacrifise himself for the greater good. There is an episode of ultimate alien when the ultimates gained consciousness and decided to rebel against Ben. Ben decided to sacrifise himself for those ultimates so they can be free. I don't remember the name of the episode.

@@theflamingarrow1833 it’s called the ultimate sacrifice

@@Rhobeni Thanks mate

@@theflamingarrow1833 True, that is a very valid example, honestly during this I forgot about Ultimate Sacrifice. Tho I believe my point still stands for his character as a whole

Ben's detail orated. In the line of work he does he has to be, one detail can lead to either victory or defeat

Good comment *with* a good reply, that is rare

then how would you explain the fact that he every time Ben sees his future it changes. orginal universe Ben already knows about Ben 10K so it doesn't make sense as orginal Ben's future would have already changed which means Ben 10K shouldn't be knowning about this. We have already seen this in UAF episode Ben 1000 returns as future Ben doesn't know who Eon is. Because if he already knew that it was going to happen then we would if done something different. even profesor paradox was shocked by this.

@@manavnair4218 like the man in the video said time loops

All maybe he trusted his gut instinct nd acted without thinking no head brain empty thaughts instinct epmty too

accurate.

Yeah and when you take a look at the whole series up to that point, there's a lot of evidence to support it as it makes sense both in universe and characterization, as ben 10k has always followed the events as they unfolded before (in his prospective at least) and never once tried to change it

Nope. Ben 10K had no knowledge of the Time Loop. Just like he didn't have any knowledge that his son was Chrono Spanner until the second to last episode of Omniverse. It was just all of Paradox's time shenanigans. It wouldn't surprise me that Paradox already knew what was going to happen. He knew that Ben 10K was going to suggest Clockwork, and explained the Sotobro effect so No Watch Ben would get the idea to use Clockwork and reverse the Time Bomb's effect. Paradox also purposely left No Watch Ben out of the fight until after the Time Bomb exploded so No Watch Ben could reverse it back. If Ben 10K knew about the Time Bomb, why didn't he just turn into Clockwork or a hybrid fusion of Clockwork and reverse the Time Bomb's effect himself? Ben 10K correctly guessed after seeing Gwen 10, Ben 23 and No Watch Ben that it involved alternate versions of Omnitrix wielders. C'mon, it's a cliché in plot devices.

@@Animeaddiction Well they did say that they had to preserve the timeline. Ben 10K could've done that yes, but in doing so the time loop would be broken and as Paradox said "Things would get worse before they get better."

@@colegaming5849 Paradox said that because he KNEW what was going to happen, not because if Ben 10K were to do something. Remember that Paradox is completely free from the effects of time itself. Sort of like the Reverse Flash. Remember when they first met with the Professor Paradox in Alien Force? They met with a 'future' version of Paradox when he failed to save the Earth. "Well, I certainly hope you do better than I did." Professor Paradox is able to move all the way to the beginning of Time and to its end. He couldn't go to that White Void because time had not yet begun. It was only after the universe was created and time began that he could. Also keep in mind that Paradox is allowed 'do-overs' like in Let Do the Time War Over. So trying to change a predestined time loop is irrelevant since Paradox can just go back and fix what went wrong. So no, Ben 10K didn't sacrifice himself. He was just being as reckless and headstrong as usual. They really dumbed Ben down in Omniverse and he didn't grow up too much as Ben 10K in the Omniverse's future.

@@Animeaddiction I wouldn't say he was being headstrong, it would be more accurate to say that he was acting on impulse to try and stop the calamity that was before him. It should also be noted that Ben prime also seemed to be sacrificing himself so that No Watch Ben would receive his Omnitrix. One possibility is that the writers intended to do more with No Watch Ben and Ben Prime and Ben 10k were working to try and help this Ben to find his path to being a hero for one reason or another.

@homerman76 No, Ben Prime only threw himself in front of No Watch Ben in a futile attempt to protect him. He didn't plan on giving him the Omnitrix. It just fell off as he became immaterial, and it latched onto No Watch Ben. I know this because later, No Watch Ben easily took off the Omnitrix to give it back to Ben Prime. Ben Prime could have done the same thing instead of throwing himself in front of Ben Prime. Way too convoluted to be planned.

lol

It is also a great copypasta if conversations regarding power scaling get annoying, as they can do lmao

It’s technically wrong, according to set theory, the set of all natural numbers is mathematically still the same size as the set of all even/odd numbers, this is because they are both countably infinite sets as opposed to all decimal numbers which are uncountably infinite because you can’t even begin to count them

@@leithbenali lol

@@leithbenali yeah but it is still less than the infinite number itself

Technically it's no watch Ben with prime bens Omnitrix

Watching this Video I considered the exact same theory. He basically charged the energy just right to make it reversable. Alien X is universal+ but he's not Omniversal. He can't change all universes and thus not surpass the bomb. However, if he altered the bomb to be able to be reversed, then it would do some work.

@@lucielm wait- if the bomb is omniversal/multiversal level in terms of what it can do wouldn't that mean Atomic-X would have to be near that power to be able to alter the blast? genuinely asking because I don't quite know how the power would scale in comparison to the time bomb, *assuming* that Atomic-X *did* weaken the blast

@@rydergolde3169he didnt do anything to the bomb . He let the future be untouched,since that is the only way no omnitrix ben becomes the hero he wants to be . So for the future of no omnitrix ben , he sacrifices himself knowing he will eventually be back. Or he would not have introduced clockwork in the first place.he knew what he was up against .

@@azreal4062 no I'm not arguing whether 10K did anything or not I'm trying to figure out, given [@lucielm]'s comment, how powerful actually is Atomic-X luci suggested that Atomic-X *weakened* the time blast in order for No Watch to *be able to reverse it in the first place* my thought was, if that's true, then wouldn't Atomic-X need to be *at least* at an omniversal level in order to weaken it? basically- we know Ben 10K didn't undo the bomb because time loop we *don't* know whether Atomic-X's punch *actually* did something or not, given how Clockwork is significantly weaker than Alien X (and by extension, Atomic-X) assuming Atomic-X *did* weaken the time blast, would that not place him at some level of multiversal?

yes.

Agreed it would be redundant for an actual celestial sapien but not for Ben. Fusing lets him bypass Serena & Bellicus. Because going full celestial sapien leaves him basically comatose while he's stuck trying to convince Serena & Bellicus.

It makes atomic x more deadly. Maybe fusing both aliens would causes atomix radiation bombs to sky rocket to Cosmic star power bombs. Which is dangerous meaning he could send ripples of black holes in space I he unlocked that potential Or punch through time

@@MagicHamsta doesn't he have full control over alien x.

Except Atomix can't teleport buf Atomic-X can

Gg hope you ain't a blind dbs fan

Fusion in dragon ball is so overpowered its actually hilarious

@@TokyoDrift456 I mean it combined the two abilties it's supposed to be a power boost

Well the thing is it’s like Krillian and Goku using the fusion dance if it doesn’t have the requirement for them to match power levels. It meets in the middle of the two power levels which makes Goku much weaker because Krillian dilutes them.

@@eciyahsmalls-sanders8880 fusion in dragon ball is said to make the result miles stronger than either fusees, as Gogeta said "our powers aren't just put together, they are significantly magnified" A fusion like Gogeta or Vegito in base form are stronger than goku and vegeta in super saiyan blue, it's insane

Paradox isn't all knowing he himself states that there are things he doesn't and didn't realize are happening (he couldn't find vilgax and eon. Not to mention the stuff with eon.).

I wonder how many loops Paradox saw turn out badly before he realized he can't interfere

Paradox just has a perfect playthrough going and doesn't want any changes to ruin it. There could well be better choices and outcomes but Paradox already has what he considers a good run going so he doesn't want to change it and break everything. If he does the easy thing now it would result in him having to deal with something more troublesome later.

Makes perfect sense. Ben 10K is probably not Ben Prime's exact future(as its always changing) and never got control of alien X as Ben Prime did

Yup he is older but still ben

yeah that sounds like ben, he might lose but hes not gonna be done trying to punch things until he is long dead

I never understand why he use AtomX insted of clockwork+Alien X , i mean time stop+ omnipotence yes please , is way more broken than the nuclear + omnipotence setup

If the world's at stake why not use your strongest aliens.

if smoothies is not getting destroyed dont expect him to panic

Ben 10K uses Fourmungasour though, in this very episode even

Like also upgrid

@@snake450 Upgrade and Juryrigg fusion?

Or upgrade with any mechanical alien like echo echo or clockwork

Iirc four arms is a more skilled fighter (smaller frame, more arms,etc) but is weaker than humungosaur when it comes to brute strength, so if you fuse the two together you get a more rounded alien

Clockwork!

Alien X and Clockwork obviously can. Atomic-X is just weak.

@@Goat10Solos I disagree, combining clockwork with alien x would be waste as alien x is already had mastery in timepowers and it isnt like atomix,ben cant use clockwork that fluently .

The last theory makes a lot of sense when you realize Ben 10K was the one who told no watch Ben about Clockwork

@@yashbjoshi12 he didn't mean combination of clockwork and alien x, he meant both of them can.

That’s why Atomic X is bound by time while Alien X is not Celestialsapiens exists outside of time and space

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Goku ahh logic

I doubt it. The Omnitrix stores many DNAs but not human DNA

@@yudhazacharias9377 it has human dna

@Yudha Zacharias It does have human dna stored, but Ben couldn't use that since one species can't use the omnitrix to turn into another member of the same species

@@Dylkill99 unless the two types of the same species are different enough

@@Dylkill99 oh okay, sorry guys. Haven't dived deep into this stuff

And is the only future not erased

But ben 10k is still prime Ben's future (for now) so he has went through that experience atleast once before. I feel he was just playing the things as before and directly jumped into the explosion to speed things up. The confused look on his face? Probably the realization that he's gonna feel death again. Or I'm gonna go with my initial theory. Atomic x isn't as powerful as alien x. Atomic x is a powerup for atomix rather than for alien x. Another example to this is how waychuck makes upchuck more physically durable but he's not as powerful as waybig. It's a powerup for upchuck but not for waybig.

lmfao im ded bro

I'd assume the former. The latter doesn't seem like it would elicit that reaction.

Knowing something bad will happen to you is usually diffrent from actually experiencing it.

It doesn't require full power

@@professorparadox795 it does require intention on how to handle it.

@@ethanfinity if you deep dive in alien x and ben 10 cosmology scaling, it doesn't require it, but if you simply look at stuff like that? Then yeah I can understand why you think like that.

Probably

I kinda of believe that logic we really only see atomic x use space based powers

i believe that logic.

Facts.

facts

Even better than ultimate alien 100 episode

Atomix just removes Bellicus and Serina from the equation giving Ben free reign.

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Alien X is powerful than y’all think..

Nope

Yes

Ultimate Ben

What you said about Ben 10k in the beginning was true but you also have to realize that he doesn't remember his past that much for Eg. During the first pt. of the finally Ben 10k genuinely wanted to help Ben prime stop maltruant but paradox stopped and by that point proving Ben 10k does not remember much about the past so theory #3 does still hold up

The 3rd solution makes more sense actually since the whole time loop but what adds more to it is after ben and his younger self get their minds swapped back to normal (forgetting the event happened) ben 10k comes in explaining about the time war which hints at the loop happening

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Nope his powers aren’t infinite his powers are far higher than that

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Yes, the biomnitrix was made by Ben and not Azmuth which could explain that

@@spectralfr oh...ok ...that seems like a huge disadvantage for Ben 10k

The real question here: Why didn't prime Ben's failsafe activate... We can all discuss about Atomic X but the real question is why didn't prime Ben's omnitrix activate alien X or Clockwork...?

@@kokinfysraviolis1620 Because he gave it to No Watch Ben, who can't be harmed by the bomb

@@spectralfr He gave it AFTER being erased.... Why didn't the omnitrix protect him from that in the first place?

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