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@TheArmchairHistorian
@TheArmchairHistorian 2 года назад
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@Adan6XI
@Adan6XI 2 года назад
Could u do a video on the football war
@Lets_Talk_Politics
@Lets_Talk_Politics 2 года назад
Video on the football war?
@Ywthg5w6gwvyw
@Ywthg5w6gwvyw 2 года назад
Early
@pandapro6559
@pandapro6559 2 года назад
Can u do a video about the invasion of Norway
@ZeVulj
@ZeVulj 2 года назад
Quality is fixed PAGMAN!
@lucianoosorio5942
@lucianoosorio5942 2 года назад
“He attempted to take British somaliland which went pretty well. He then attempted to take Egypt which went less well. Then he attempted to take Greece which went really badly. Churchill began to describe Italy as Europe’s soft underbelly.”
@lucask4377
@lucask4377 2 года назад
That's a reference to a oversimplification channel
@angusyang5917
@angusyang5917 2 года назад
oversimplified moment
@CactiOnFurni
@CactiOnFurni 2 года назад
dude... VERY COOL
@legolas-xu6ou
@legolas-xu6ou 2 года назад
OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
@lelouchvibritannia7809
@lelouchvibritannia7809 2 года назад
@@legolas-xu6ou apply cold water to burn
@herzog1857
@herzog1857 2 года назад
An interesting footnote from history. After the conference in Tehran in 1943, it was decided that the Allies would start delivering aid to the Yugoslav partisans and that aid to the Yugoslav monarchists would be stopped. When, after the conference, one of the British members of the delegation told Churchill that he had sold Yugoslavia to the communists, Churchill asked him: "will you live in Yugoslavia after the war?" The delegate replied that he wouldn't, to which Churchill added: "I won't either, so why bother?"
@icysaracen3054
@icysaracen3054 2 года назад
Churchill was the diet version of Hitler
@mariosvourliotakis
@mariosvourliotakis 2 года назад
another reason why churchill wasnt as nice as people remember him...
@seanmccann8368
@seanmccann8368 2 года назад
@@mariosvourliotakis He was a despicable war mongering racist. He was lucky Hitler and Stalin were on the world stage at the same time as him, otherwise we would be discussing the Churchillian genocides in WW2
@herzog1857
@herzog1857 2 года назад
@@mariosvourliotakis I totally agree. To me he was a cynic who didn't care how many innocent civilians died in occupied countries as long as it served British interests. The best example of this is perhaps the Bengal famine to which he definitely contributed the most from the British side.
@mattmckane9454
@mattmckane9454 2 года назад
@@herzog1857 He still got through the Second World War though, no matter how brash or harsh he was, he still got a ton of crap done and how I see it, saved Britain.
@mariosvourliotakis
@mariosvourliotakis 2 года назад
Im a Greek and this stuff isnt even taught in school, even though it affected the rest of our history in the 20th century... Thank you very much for your efforts!
@1CE.
@1CE. 2 года назад
@@johnmcdonald9295 So is you’re economy 😎
@kayvan671
@kayvan671 2 года назад
@@johnmcdonald9295 Ok
@nermainmerl6108
@nermainmerl6108 2 года назад
We did ww2 and civil war in great detail, much more detail than this video, what kind of school did you go to?
@Stephan1988
@Stephan1988 2 года назад
@@johnmcdonald9295 ur not Greek so go away troll
@mariosvourliotakis
@mariosvourliotakis 2 года назад
@@nermainmerl6108 Well, these things are later on in the curriculum, and the teachers, being very far behind didnt have time to cover them, thats why. Greek Public schools arent the greatest...
@angrycabbage1988
@angrycabbage1988 2 года назад
Griffin's pronunciation of Greek names is just legendary
@dimitrisoikonomou3568
@dimitrisoikonomou3568 2 года назад
He does a fairly good job...go listen the kings and generals channel butchering Greek names...
@kingofohio5689
@kingofohio5689 2 года назад
@@dimitrisoikonomou3568 bri'ish people be like: 🤪🤪🤪🤡🤡
@randombrit4504
@randombrit4504 2 года назад
@@kingofohio5689 Oi, stop that, or I'll steal the rest of the Parthenon.
@kingofohio5689
@kingofohio5689 2 года назад
@@randombrit4504 only if you know how to properly pronounce foreign names and words
@theanglo-lithuanian1768
@theanglo-lithuanian1768 2 года назад
@@kingofohio5689 ...Is this an American talking? Ironic. I wonder how many Americans could even point out Greece on a map...
@Alkiviadis_
@Alkiviadis_ 2 года назад
The Greek civil war is still an incredibly taboo topic in modern Greek society. So much unnecessary death, atrocities and war crimes committed by both sides. Neither left nor right wingers really want to talk about it, but the unmended scar it has left to the Greek people till this day is undeniable. Most Greeks today have or might have had a relative or family friend(s) that will have horror stories to tell because of this war.
@totallyormalpinoyguy1998
@totallyormalpinoyguy1998 2 года назад
Human nature never changes
@BlueJDMMR2
@BlueJDMMR2 2 года назад
@@totallyormalpinoyguy1998 War. War never changes.
@Dimitriterrorman
@Dimitriterrorman 2 года назад
Δεν ήταν εμφυλιος, εάν είσαι κομουνιστής δεν είσαι Έλληνας
@NONO-oy1cu
@NONO-oy1cu 2 года назад
Nah commies aint no humans.
@jackthorton10
@jackthorton10 2 года назад
War changes, just not your kind of change, if it never changed your military would still be shooting flintlocks and firing cannon shells at the attackers.
@nickluby2183
@nickluby2183 2 года назад
The Truman Doctrine was part of a speech written to garner American support for fighting communist forces in Greece. There was worry that there would be minimal support for fighting in Greece, hence why the speech was so strong, but inevitably it worked a lot better than anyone had expected.
@IronDragon-2143
@IronDragon-2143 2 года назад
Whenever someone tried getting a review from Sir Christopher Lee about his service in the war, he had a clever way of dealing with it. Sir Christopher Lee: "Can you keep a secret?" Journalist: "Yes! Yes I can!" Sir Christopher Lee: "And so can I." And then he would politely excuse himself.
@enternamehere4124
@enternamehere4124 2 года назад
That's a fuckin' power move
@IronDragon-2143
@IronDragon-2143 2 года назад
@@enternamehere4124 That is Sir Christopher Lee
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan 2 года назад
I'm going to use that :D
@malliarito6693
@malliarito6693 2 года назад
I loved the fact that you spelled KKE in Greek. Actually a nice little detail good job once again!
@antoniosdimoulas3566
@antoniosdimoulas3566 Год назад
Of course they spelled it correctly KKE, the English using the Greek alphabet which the Latin is based also. What is to be excited about it? Many Western languages are based in Greek and using thousands of Greek words in their vocabulary.
@djpeel10
@djpeel10 2 года назад
Great video as usual. I'm surprised there was no mention of the Churchill-Stalin agreement which gave Britain 90% influence in Greece after the war
@paulfry3221
@paulfry3221 2 года назад
Is this not what led up to that event? If I'm incorrect so be it I'm willing to learn.
@bryanemmel6516
@bryanemmel6516 2 года назад
Thanks, I wanted to ask the same thing.
@tonydanhs2371
@tonydanhs2371 2 года назад
The heavy bombardment of piraeus by the allies and the heavy casualties that got downplayed to a mere 300 dead when it was thousands wasnt mentioned either,which is one of the events that caused friction between the greek and allied forces. Fun fact: to this day at piraeus people doing renovations are still digging out american bombs and dead.
@walterwirlo6858
@walterwirlo6858 2 года назад
The western history books totally ignore the fact that they had made a treaty with Stalin, giving the Soviets total control over what became the Eastern Block nations in exchange for the US controlling the rest of Europe including Greece. They prefer to insinuate that the Russians grabbed all these nations. After repeatedly exalting the Soviet Union as a great nation and a great ally, near the end of the war the US and Britain were already planning a war against Russia. In fact after the war ended, the west started sending numerous sabotage missions into the Soviet Union, called operation nightingale. They also recruited many ex NAZI intelligence officers who were on the Eastern front into US intelligence, fast tracking their immigration to the US, called operation paper clip.
@apmoy70
@apmoy70 2 года назад
Uncle Joe respected the percentages agreement he had signed with Churchill in the Moscow conference in October of 1944. When in February 1948 a committee of Greek communists met with Stalin in order to ask for help for their cause, Uncle Joe replied with the infamous "свернуть!" (svernut'!), i.e. "roll it up! (end it!). It wasn't Stalin who backed the Communists in the Greek Civil War but the Yugoslavs (Tito) and the Albanians (Hoxha). They seeked a secession of Greek Macedonia & Thrace, a merging with the newly created "Macedonian Socialist Republic" in Yugoslavia and the creation of an independent Peoples' Republic of Balkans according to the Yugoslav or Albanian pattern, per the decisions of the 5th national committee of the Communsit Party of Greece. This led to the voting and implementing of Emergency Law 509/1947 by the Greek government that considered those who aspired or enforced the secession of Greek Macedonia & Thrace, as perpetrators of a "High Treason"
@leolovetoparty
@leolovetoparty 4 месяца назад
This is a very western/British narrative of what happened. ELAS (with the help of the British) was the predominant force that defeated the Nazis. They had rounded up the traitors/Nazi sympathisers as part of liberating Greece. However, Churchill, for reasons you cite, plunged the country into civil war when he freed the Nazi sympathisers and put them in charge of the country. 5 bloody years of civil war ensued, resulting in at least as many casualties (most from starvation) as WWII itself. The seeds of the problems that Greece still has to this day, can be traced back to Churchill’s decision.
@veronikalynn5084
@veronikalynn5084 3 месяца назад
Yes
@christoschatzidimitriadis7092
I’m Greek and I have to say I’m impressed by the accuracy of the video. Congratulations for your content, keep it that way guys! Thank you Armchair Historian team!
@innosanto
@innosanto 2 месяца назад
He didnt talk about the Greek army which went to North Africa and was mainly there where it was fighting the axis powers.
@anthonyharalambopoulos4445
@anthonyharalambopoulos4445 2 года назад
My grandmother was born in 1944. She was the youngest of five children. The village where she was born was located in communist controlled territory, so the EAM/ELAS forces would regularly interrogate locals in case of any anti-communist activity. Her father decided it was best to stay neutral and simply co-operate with the communists. Then some guy in the village who had some dispute with him framed him for anti-communist activity. The whole family (my grandmother being just a few months old) was transported to a prison camp set up by the EAM/ELAS for anyone accused of opposing them. There, they rounded up all the men and executed them. My great-grandfather was beheaded with an axe and his body was thrown into a well. Soon, the prisoners were liberated and they returned to their homes. My grandmother grew up without a father, something which still deeply affects her to this day. Because of that, she simply dismisses anything remotely left-wing because of all the trauma caused by EAM/ELAS. The Greek Civil War is one of the darkest pages in Greek history, and you can still see how it has divided us.
@im2noob4bronze
@im2noob4bronze 2 года назад
And a Greek commie will still defend the ΔΣΕ/EAM monsters...
@kingofcards9516
@kingofcards9516 2 года назад
*the glories of Communism*
@wahaha918
@wahaha918 2 года назад
and all these commies sympathizers just wanna twist the real facts
@stefanodadamo6809
@stefanodadamo6809 2 года назад
Terrible. How many have suffered similarly in areas in government hands... Power makes men inhuman.
@kajamix
@kajamix 2 года назад
My mother supported the left, but she also saw the communist crimes infront of her eyes. My family were living in Plaka near the historic house of Kostis Palamas the poet. The red cross was bringing them food and all the neighbours were giving some of their own food for Kostis Palamas who was ill (n.b. died in 1943). There was a particularly nice young police officer of the red cross who was helping the people survive the famine and he was very popular. Then after the war my mother went out one day for milk. It was outside the "Cine Paris" - known to all who have visited Athens and Plaka. There a communist patrol managed to make their way down from the rearside of the Akropolis hill and arrested the nice young policeman and executed him on the spot. Many years later I saw that man's name engraved in a marble plaque in Plaka police station.
@finzz4636
@finzz4636 2 года назад
One small thing that perhaps was worth talking about: You don't mention the Percentages Agreement between Churchill and Stalin. This dictated the amount of geopolitical influence the Soviets and the British had over Greece in the post-war period, which defined Greece as chiefly British in influence. That lead to Greek communist pleas to Moscow falling on deaf ears. That contributed to a divide in the KKE, whether to be Titoist or Stalinist, which was important to understand their aims and how that inhibited the movement Great video as always
@havocgr1976
@havocgr1976 2 года назад
True, it was Tito and NOT Stalin that aided the communists here due to that agreement.
@MagiconIce
@MagiconIce 2 года назад
Ah and I was wondering, why Stalin was not mentioned even once in the video, thinking that somehow the USSR must have helped them. That probably also furthered Tensions between Tito and Stalin themselves with Tito going against the orders of Stalin in that case. The Greeks were lucky, that the Soviets didn't decide to intervene in it, if they would've, it maybe could've blown into a full scale civil war, taking Tens if not Hundreds of Thousands of Casualties, when both Cold War Blocs would've thrown their weight in.
@JDDC-tq7qm
@JDDC-tq7qm 2 года назад
@@MagiconIce That's so true also if the Soviets had got involved Greece would most likely turned Communist as Stalin is more superior than Tito
@bryanemmel6516
@bryanemmel6516 2 года назад
@@MagiconIce Or, it might have stopped it in its tracks. Had they wanted to the Soviets could have pushed the Brits back to Egypt.
@user-BasedChad
@user-BasedChad 2 года назад
@@havocgr1976 actually no new documents that came to light show that stalin supplied german ww2 weapons to the communist and socialist groups through neighbouring countries so as to not be critisised for supporting the KKE
@ΧαρηςΚοκκινος
@ΧαρηςΚοκκινος 2 года назад
I always wondered how come we were never taught about the civil war at schools. I think it's because it sheds a bad light on us, because of the monstrosities committed (besides many people from the far right who committed terrible crimes against communists were forgiven and even awarded positions afterwards, so the curriculum always wanted to push that historical fact under the rug). It also ruins the narrative of the united greeks pushing back the axis during ww2. Fun fact, Greece doesn't celebrate the end of the war, but the begining of it, exactly because we were on each other's throats the minute the Nazis were out. Thank you, armchair historian, for teaching me more about the Greek civil war, than the crappy greek educational system ever did.
@rgdevoner2344
@rgdevoner2344 2 года назад
About the fun fact, no we dont celebrate the start of war (more like resistance) because wE LoVe wAr but because we felt free to answer to a super power(Italians and after Germans) no because WE DIDNT SURRENDER because THIS place is for Greeks and only we are Feeling free inside enough to tell to the face of a super power "no".Its about the resistance we and the feeling "of saying to their faces no" and not because we love war.I will make it simplier,we are celebrating OUR BALLS we showed for defending our homeland no matter the super power we face and not tHE beGgiNinG oF tHe wAr.
@jonathansibrian695
@jonathansibrian695 2 года назад
Cassually miss all the civilians kidnaped and the executios of the commies You know why the right wing happen its becouse the left exist
@ΧαρηςΚοκκινος
@ΧαρηςΚοκκινος 2 года назад
@@rgdevoner2344 i never said we celebrate the beginning of the war because "we love war". What I'd been taught is the same thing you say, that we celebrate the people's bravery and the unity with which they answered the call to arms. My point is, that whole narrative (although the fighters' bravery is admirable) is pretty much just an effort to save face. We would be celebrating the end of the war just like any other nation, if it weren't for our passion of fighting each other every chance we get. So we made up a nice little story about us being united in the face of tyranny, and thus we celebrate the beginning of the war. There's no reason to sugarcoat history, we're not perfect.
@user-jf6yv8rj2s
@user-jf6yv8rj2s 2 года назад
There are many books you can find about National Resistance if you are interested. I didn't like the education system either but RU-vid channels can not teach better from a book.
@ryanfarrelly4647
@ryanfarrelly4647 2 года назад
@@user-jf6yv8rj2s a video reading the book?
@SI-qp7cm
@SI-qp7cm 4 месяца назад
As a Greek I stopped at your opening. Britain didn’t intervene in the civil war, they created it to shore up the monarchy . Yes they wanted to install a British monarch .
@arcadeslum5882
@arcadeslum5882 4 месяца назад
the monarchs of greece were always foreign and never british but you are close...
@SI-qp7cm
@SI-qp7cm 4 месяца назад
@@arcadeslum5882 never British ? Well if you want to play semantics all of the British monarch were never a British . Prince Phillip was from the same line . But it is a British monarch my friend. Next you will tell me that Charles is part Greek through his father . I love the snarkiness of the reply too, you must not be European. American ? If you want to reply and have a serious discussion do so , if you want snark and high school debating don’t bother . If you want to get down to it , there is no such thing as British, a mix race of essentially Germans . Angles are Germanic , Saxons were Germanic , Danes ultimately are an ofshoot of a Germanic tribes in the north. French are Germanic via Gaul and Spain are a mixture of Arab/North Africa and Germanic via Visigoth . Britain is a Petrie dish , USA is mainly German as well. So basically the most despicable people in the world , responsible for all the atrocities trace their lineage to a few barbarian hordes .
@sunnyperka5791
@sunnyperka5791 Месяц назад
In fact they wanted to get rid of Stalin's attempt to establish a communist government in Greece.
@johnoughton7294
@johnoughton7294 Месяц назад
My Father who had been involved in the Second World War joined up when he was only 17 years , his mother , my Grandmother went to the army and demanded he be sent home ,, my Father refused and stayed,, he was put on the guns defending Hull from the Nazi planes , he eventually went on to fight in North Africa, Italy and then sent to Greece . I asked him many years later that I had read his army record and what hat happened in Greece !!! I told my Father that he had lost his stripes for being drunk on duty !! He replied , Son , we didn’t know why we were sent there , the war was over , he was told it was to keep the peace between the so called communists and the royals !! He , along his mates were billeted with Greek family’s in and around Athens , I think he said in the small villages . He said , Son , the Greek family’s took us in and treated us like we were their Sons . One night their village was surrounded by Greeks who didn’t want the royals to be allowed back in Greece , the leader of the soldier’s surrounding them said ,, surrender your arms or we will kill everyone in the village , apparently, there was 3 Officers in charge of them, I have no idea 15:15 what was said but my Father and is fellow soldiers refused to fight and said to the Officers, the War is over , we have no right to fight the Greeks , they are just like us , the Greeks had fought bravely against their common enemies, the Nazis. They laid down their arms , and were took prisoner and led away . He and his Comrades eventually were rescued SIX months later in the Mountains of Northen Greece by the Greek Army , and who had killed and beheaded the Leader of the Greek soldier’s which was taken back to Athens . The Three British Officers and , “I don’t remember how many “ were all charged with Mutiny , the 3 Officers were reduced to the ranks and my Father was charged with being drunk on duty!!! I asked him if this was true , he said , Son , I refused to kill or injure a fellow man who believed in his Country, we had no right to be there , and I was treated like a Son by the Villagers. I don’t care . I personally met a Greek gentleman and after a long chat about the trouble in Greece ate the end of the War he asked me why I was asking him about the terrible times in Greece , he explained to me about the problems it all caused, brother against brother, Fathers against Son . So is asked this gentleman could I tell him about My Father and his Love for the Greeks . He was very surprised to hear the story and then he asked me , could I repeat this conversation with his Fsther who was by then a very old man and that his Father had written a book about those terrible times . I said off course . He replied , this story would help him to rethink his thoughts about the British Army in Greece . I hope this small story helps the cause of forgiveness through the pain caused by the terrible times that the Greek People went through. I remember the wonderful saying my Father said to me . Son , only Hero’s fight like the Greeks . RIP Dad ..
@SI-qp7cm
@SI-qp7cm Месяц назад
@@johnoughton7294 thank you so much for your contribution, we must keep the word of mouth alive.
@vlaf3196
@vlaf3196 2 года назад
The father of my grandfather was killed on Grammos mountain from communists (he was soldier on army) The father and the mother of my other grandfather got executed from communists (they were shepherds) One brother of my grandmother was fighting for the communists... but the other brother was fighting his brother and he was member of right-wing guerilla group. One brother of my grandfather (that had his parents executed from communists) fought on the side of communists. You can understand the mess. Brothers killing each other. Until today the hate is real. And trust me all these family members didn't have enough education to understand back then for what are they fighting for. They didn't even know how to read. There was no real ideology motives, just manipulation from bigger forces that their side is fighting for the freedom of Greece. Ofc the most educated people knew... or thought they knew for what they fight for but that wasn't the case for most of these poor people.
@C_R_O_M________
@C_R_O_M________ Год назад
Excellent comment! The vast majority THINKS it understands the ideology, the motives, the details. In actuality, it does not! To be able to "appreciate" Marx you need to read Eugene von Böhm-Bawerk and the whole Austrian school of economics (Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, etc) by doing so you'll realise that Marxism is more poetry and imagination than economics. BTW, my grandfather and his brother found themselves fighting each other in the same battle as members of the tactical army and a communist guerilla group, respectively, even though they were both leftists (I am definitely not).
@MrGEORG1964
@MrGEORG1964 Год назад
@@C_R_O_M________ a worker to understand the class society, to feel the class exploitation... he has to read Marx ?????? ...awesome historical approach !!!!!! ...the Greek communists were not groups but the majority of the Greek people!! 85% of the Greek people were with the EAM and the Communist Party of Greece ... in 1945 the English and the former collaborators of the Germans had: 450,000 leftist prisoners ... 150,000 exiles and prisons ....16,000 executed (7,000 by military courts and 9,000 murdered by black terrorism) the EAM-ELAS-KKE had 420,000 members of the communist party ... 700,000 members of the EAM ... 150,000 rebels (50,000 permanent rebels and 100,000 reserves) .... at 1958 after the defeat of the Democrat of the army, five years after the executions of Belogiannis-Bloubidis and other fighters (with over 15,000 Greek left-wing political prisoners, brutal fascism with violence and white terrorism throughout the country) ... in the 1958 elections, the left party took 25% of the votes ... but even to this day the majority of the Greek people are with the Left (in one way or another) .....but what are the English feudal lords-murderers to understand from the French Enlightenment????...what...?
@C_R_O_M________
@C_R_O_M________ Год назад
@@MrGEORG1964 whatever! Three of my relatives were in exile and got tortured (cat in sack and thrown to the sea- type of torture). That would be my grandfather, his brother and an uncle. I know very well how leftist the Greek society is. You might want to read the "Ευτυχώς ηττηθήκαμε σύντροφοι" of Lazarides just in case you retain an open mind. Yes, you need to read, not only Marx but his opposing economists (Marx wasn't exactly an economist, just a journalist with poetic imagination) like the whole Austrian school of economics. Geniuses like Hayek, Mises, Rothbard and the likes. Marx was 100% wrong and I can prove it to you in a short comment.
@lamprakos7
@lamprakos7 Год назад
Στο Γράμμος που σκοτωθηκε ήταν ταγματασφαλιτης?Ο Ελλάς εκτελούσε προδότες και δοσίλογους.Αυτο θα πω μονο
@MrGEORG1964
@MrGEORG1964 Год назад
@@C_R_O_M________ do you know the History of our country?..do you know who the Lazarides is ??? Lazaridis is the minor who was tried in the Belogianni trial and while the others were executed, he was saved..after 1960 he followed an anti-communist course (although their own relatives were killed by the fascists (Bulgarians, Germans, Greeks))...you must know that Lazaridis (like the father of the Trotskyist Yotopoulos) for many years was a professor of anti-communism ( ??????) in police-army-naval schools etc....the book you mention is the result of a dirty immoral life of a man who hates himself !!in Greece, several social activists of the 1930s and even of the revolutionary decades of the 1940s and 1950s were bent and several of them ended up as undercover agents, agents in the service of the police and the autocratic state of 1930-1960-1975 .. especially during the period when the chief of the police was the famous Maniadakis ... a very intelligent man who chased the Greek communists to the point of madness - obsessively (even though he later said that he admired them ...) ... Lazaridis became well-known for his articles in right-wing far-right newspapers and for his other books there are much worse than him in the Greek Left...
@Vak_g
@Vak_g 2 года назад
Being Greek I have to say that this documentary was excellent! This topic is still very controversial in Greece and eventhough many documentaries have been created it is still difficult to find a historically accurate description of the events. Nonetheless, your video was brilliant! Explaining histroical facts and events in an objective way and helping understant the essence of the conflict! Thank you very much! PS. I loved the accurate greek flags and newspappers covers in the video!
@mydogsbutler
@mydogsbutler 6 месяцев назад
His video wasn't bad but not "excellent' as you claim. He left out a huge detaill.. the fake "Macedonians". Back then the US and UK used to claim no such ethnic group exists. Today they pretend those events didn't happen and engage in ethnic engineering like the Comintern. This video is just one more example of this evasion.
@GeoLumen
@GeoLumen Год назад
Takis Lazaridis was an EAM ELAS partizan and member of the KKE party. He was one of the eight people sentenced to die along with Beloyiannis in 1951 but was eventually spared because he was young of age. Lazaridis wrote a very informative book on the events of the Greek Civil War called "Ευτυχώς ηττηθήκαμε σύντροφοι" (Fortunately, we were defeated comrades) which also explains why the Soviet-dependent communist party was defeated (and why this was a good thing)
@outerspace7391
@outerspace7391 Год назад
Great book, have read many quotes from it
@bennelong8451
@bennelong8451 4 месяца назад
Where can I find this book?
@kolokotronis84
@kolokotronis84 4 месяца назад
takis lazaridis taked money from deep state...
@pitsdrol8637
@pitsdrol8637 27 дней назад
Ο Λαζαρίδης ανήκει σ' εκείνους τους κομμουνιστές που λύγισαν και πήγαν στο αντίπαλο στρατόπεδο. Τα περισσότερα που γράφει είναι υπερβολές και ψέματα. Ένα από αυτά γιατί πάντα μιλάω με αποδείξεις ΄είναι η άποψή του πως τα Δεκεμβριανά τα προκάλεσε το ΕΑΜ.
@stefantopuzov6140
@stefantopuzov6140 2 года назад
As a Bulgarian I find Greek history fascinating because you are so close yet so far away. But honestly, for all the bllodshed, you should be spending every living moment being thankful you did not end in the Soviet sphere...
@stefanodadamo6809
@stefanodadamo6809 2 года назад
Frankly, staying in the "free" world brought no real benefit, neither economical nor political, to the average Greek, at least up to the the end of the Seventies. And, always frankly, even today there's little to rejoice for Greece.
@jackthorton10
@jackthorton10 2 года назад
But what of its support in the Russo-Ukrainian war, surely there is something to rally behind?
@RedLancerMoto
@RedLancerMoto 2 года назад
@@stefanodadamo6809 tbh the Greeks had a good time abusing their economy till it imploded on them.
@Alex_Pan69
@Alex_Pan69 Год назад
This is true but only 50%...the other 50% lies on the fact that Greece became a protectorate of the USA and never really had the chance to get over the WW2 in financial and political terms. It is now a common secret among greek citizens that behind every party winning the elections, the american support was more than enough to ensure the results were for the american interests-even when "socialist" PASOK took the power, the Americans never lost anything of what thay had previously achieved on greek land and waters. Yes, we avoided the Soviet sphere with all its drawbacks but being under the american sphere didn't exactly bring democracy and prosperity...
@Nancy20012
@Nancy20012 Год назад
@stefan I am as a Greek I can assure you
@Blackholelord
@Blackholelord 2 года назад
I have a video idea for you. During the Great War, WWI, the Allies had occupied Greece. At the time, Greece was split with whom they side with. The royal family leaned towards the Central Powers. While the civilian government leaned towards the Allies of WWI. Greece was neutral in the war at this state, but yet France and British forces landed troops in neutral Greece and would go onto make heavy demands on the Greeks and blockade all shipping into Greece. Give up all their war material to the Allies, allow the Allies to control their national newspapers push their ideals upon Greek civilians. The royal family didn't want to join the war for another reason, they were surrounded by three Central Powers. The video idea is this. Why did this happen and the aftermath results of these actions of the Allies forcing a neutral nation to fight in a war they didn't want. For the Great War, this is the biggest confusion as to why this happened and the relationship between the allies and Greece after the Great War.
@Blackholelord
@Blackholelord 2 года назад
@Rogue S300 Fire Control Radar Signature in Aegean I am asking about World War One, better known if somewhat forgotten, the Great War. The confusion related to how the Allies of the era acted towards Greece a neural nation and the aftermath.y
@antoniosdimoulas3566
@antoniosdimoulas3566 Год назад
The Greeks enthusiastically eventually involved themselves in the World War II, because they wanted to stop the Italian invasion. Did you forgot that?
@Blackholelord
@Blackholelord Год назад
@@antoniosdimoulas3566 I had watched the whole Great War from week to week, and I saw the issue Greece was having. Enemies on all sides if one choice or another was picked. And the Allies had pushed the issue, like forced it fight on our side or starve by our blockade. I want to know the aftermath about this.
@ioannisantoniadis6719
@ioannisantoniadis6719 Месяц назад
​​@@antoniosdimoulas3566 They didn't get involved because they wanted to. They had to defend their country from the enemy invasion.
@darrenmurray861
@darrenmurray861 Год назад
My grandfather told me of his pass through the mountains of Greece upon his return from the North Africa campaign via Cyprus. He mentioned ELAS, though did not speak much of what actually happened there. In my experience with him, this means that whatever did go down was not good.
@innosanto
@innosanto 2 месяца назад
Exactly Greek army moven and fought in Northern africa. Greek civil war was very bad deadlier than the world war 2.
@HermanosLuDi
@HermanosLuDi 2 года назад
Italy tried to be like Germany in doing continuous conquests in balkans and north Africa, something that it failed.
@redwind5150
@redwind5150 2 года назад
Italy is the reason Germany fell,
@redwind5150
@redwind5150 2 года назад
@pablothesus Do you not understand Italy's incompetence?
@pellejohansen
@pellejohansen 2 года назад
@@redwind5150 the nazis in germany lost because they declared war on the US and attacked the soviet union at the same time. Instead of just fighting the british. Had they ignored the soviets and the US they could have defeated the british
@redwind5150
@redwind5150 2 года назад
@@pellejohansen The Africa campaign because of Italy played a major role in the fall. Had Germany not bothered with Africa, it most likely would have held out longer.
@natebox4550
@natebox4550 2 года назад
@@redwind5150 the Germans were bound to failure due to their incompetent leadership by Hitler. And it wasn’t even only Hitlers fault, his so “amazing generals” fucked up multiple times, sometimes against hitlers wishes. They would of ran out of oil eventually. And their leadership was retarted. They were doomed to failure.
@goofy7406
@goofy7406 2 года назад
I would like for Griffin to maybe dive into the Cold War in Latin America, like Nicaragua with the Sandinistas or Colombia with its Cartels and Socialist organizations, Maybe even the Shining Path organization from Peru (Great video btw)
@adrianshephard378
@adrianshephard378 2 года назад
FARC is a cartel
@dirckthedork-knight1201
@dirckthedork-knight1201 2 года назад
I support this fully
@Aggelos-br7ow
@Aggelos-br7ow 4 месяца назад
Thats a very sad story...
@UnknownSoulGuy
@UnknownSoulGuy 2 года назад
Ah yes finally. Never expected you'd do this video. I'm honored.
@alteredcreedgaming4700
@alteredcreedgaming4700 2 года назад
A great and informational video as always!
@lucianoosorio5942
@lucianoosorio5942 2 года назад
“I was saving the planet from an Axis of Darkness, while you were back home opening national parks! Yes!” Winston Churchill
@paulian1888
@paulian1888 2 года назад
nice quote from an egotistical maniac/failed admiral
@titanlord9267
@titanlord9267 2 года назад
"I'm the rhyme minister, fresh in hat and dinner jacket"
@lucianoosorio5942
@lucianoosorio5942 2 года назад
@@titanlord9267 “I’m an American stud, and you’re the British Elmer Fudd.” Theodore Roosevelt
@elmerfudd856
@elmerfudd856 2 года назад
@@lucianoosorio5942 smh
@Smart-Sports
@Smart-Sports 2 года назад
@@titanlord9267 "Your whole miserable country is the size of one state" Theodore Roosevelt
@mozzarella_boyy7779
@mozzarella_boyy7779 2 года назад
As a greek I am more than glad you made this video!
@sulaymanbah123
@sulaymanbah123 2 года назад
It’s always superpowers that decided another country fate thanks for uploading awesome video
@Munchkino
@Munchkino 2 года назад
I prefer this fate over my country becoming another former Soviet-Bloc authoritarian shithole.
@Munchkino
@Munchkino 2 года назад
I prefer this fate over my country becoming another former Soviet-Bloc authoritarian shithole.
@sulaymanbah123
@sulaymanbah123 2 года назад
@@froggymusicman I already know how much power and influence a superpower have what I am saying is that it is not right to force another nation to follow your rules or policies a superpower= a bully
@mcmilk107
@mcmilk107 2 года назад
@@sulaymanbah123 Competition and domination is a major part of life always has been
@sulaymanbah123
@sulaymanbah123 2 года назад
@@mcmilk107 true but domination and competition between nations will end up just hurting the common people of those nations but not the rich
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 2 года назад
The real reason why Britain intervened is because they like rocks, and we all know how much the British love their rock collection.
@sfooter1692
@sfooter1692 2 года назад
Yep rock collection like India, Australia and Canada
@davidfarrer4332
@davidfarrer4332 2 года назад
@@sfooter1692 they’re the larger rocks in the British collection!
@bryanemmel6516
@bryanemmel6516 2 года назад
@@froggymusicman I think he's talking about the marbles stolen from the Parthenon that the Brits have and refuse to return.
@ChrisCrossClash
@ChrisCrossClash 2 года назад
@@bryanemmel6516 And we ain't giving them back either. 😂😂😂
@obvious-troll
@obvious-troll Год назад
@@bryanemmel6516finders keepers, losers weepers
@theawesomeman9821
@theawesomeman9821 2 года назад
Never knew before that Sir Christopher Lee played a role in Greek history. I learned something new.
@user-xq4st9ie7r
@user-xq4st9ie7r Год назад
We don't know if he did. The organisation he was associated with at that time was active in Greece.
@chapayev6787
@chapayev6787 2 года назад
It would be interesting to see a video about the military junta in Greece.
@ALaughingWolf2188
@ALaughingWolf2188 2 года назад
Could you do a video on the Brusilov Offensive during WW1? It was a very important offensive during the war that’s largely uncovered on RU-vid, and I think it would make for a very interesting video especially with your narration and style
@carlplz00001
@carlplz00001 2 года назад
No
@wurzel9671
@wurzel9671 2 года назад
It's been covered extensively
@Spido68_the_spectator
@Spido68_the_spectator Год назад
Simple history covered it
@compatriot852
@compatriot852 2 года назад
I too enjoy watching Greek history in 144p just as God intended
@guyguy6384
@guyguy6384 2 года назад
Yeah bro
@mr.hedado741
@mr.hedado741 2 года назад
The fact that the video doesn’t even need good video quality means that the videos them selves are quality and great no matter what
@capncake8837
@capncake8837 2 года назад
144 for the true Balkan experience.
@thezeroalchemist277
@thezeroalchemist277 2 года назад
You really undersold the white terror and the level to which old collaborators were used by the British and monarchists to fight the communists. However, excellent production quality as usual.
@kaykay865
@kaykay865 Месяц назад
The commos were in bed with Tito and an Aegean Macedonia for Yugoslavia was on the cards They wanted Greece to be an Albania or Bulgaria.. what was not going to be gobbled up by Tito Total traitors
@crimsonterror5795
@crimsonterror5795 2 года назад
I'd rather be ruled by a Constitutional monarch then a Communist dictator.
@MrThessalonikiman1
@MrThessalonikiman1 2 года назад
Just an extension.Tito wouldn't equip his fellow communist Greeks with weapons for no reason.His ultimate goal (as goal of the USSR headquarters) was the creation of a country in the North of Greece covering the geographical territories of Greece Epirus Macedonia and Thrace( at that time the made up story about Macedonia was made). Ultimately they wanted not only turn Greece into a Communist country; they wanted to be in small states.
@gnas1897
@gnas1897 2 года назад
No dude that's stupid. Stalin wanted no change in the borders. Only tito did. Stalin wanted a Balkan federation, so he wanted to turn Greece into something like a federal republic by creating a state within a state, but after Tito stopped liking him he gave up on that plan as well
@MrThessalonikiman1
@MrThessalonikiman1 2 года назад
@@gnas1897Its not just a statement.There are records stating this fact by letters exchanged by Zachariadis and the USSR headquarters. Recently an academic (in Harvard I recall) presented these (USSR) records and the KKE party answered they are false (I guess they cannot accept responsibility).The actual point is there is no free lunch; they did not want just a communist Greek state,they wanted Greek Communist states with citizens of different origin Slavs Greeks etc.
@gnas1897
@gnas1897 Год назад
​​@@MrThessalonikiman1 Zachariadis only declared the goal of an independent Macedonia in 1949 to attract more slavs to his army (because he knew that they were going to lose). Up until then, NOF fought for the freedom of Slavic Macedonians within the nation of Greece. The Comintern's resolution on Macedonia was supposed to create an independent Macedonia within a Balkan federation, not just randomly. Plus the Macedonia of the Balkan federation would also include Vardar Macedonia and Pirin. The reason for that is that the Comintern believed that this was the right move is because otherwise Macedonia would continue to be a warzone between Bulgarians, Greeks and Serbs, whereas unification would allow all tribes to live peacefully and equally on the territory of Macedonia. Now, the creation of a Macedonian nation was supposed to be a way to: 1.bring revolution to the Balkans 2. Give a solid national identity to population that didn't have one 3. Put the regional identity of the Macedonian peoples above the national one (to ensure unity in the future sovereign Macedonia) 4. To destroy "chauvinistic" and "imperialistic" ambitions by Bulgarians, Greeks and Serbs.
@giannisfragos722
@giannisfragos722 2 года назад
Great video can you make a video about the Greek junta it's an interesting and dark part of Greek history
@jcsv12345
@jcsv12345 Год назад
He should discuss the metapolitefsi
@NIKOS_GEROSIDERIS
@NIKOS_GEROSIDERIS Год назад
If you call Junta a dark part of Greek history than what you call 2010-2022?Just being curious...
@VergilDarkslayer
@VergilDarkslayer Год назад
​@@jcsv12345 so like today?
@alexchainger
@alexchainger 2 года назад
Unbelievable quolity! Amazing video and aqurate as well! As a Greek Im honored you did such a good job as a topic this creaminaly uncovered
@fpz3491
@fpz3491 2 года назад
It is very well made. I will give you that
@crakker347
@crakker347 2 года назад
Lovely video I would be interested to see how the Junta in Greece worked since nobody has really spoken about it. Keep up the great job armchair historian!
@C_R_O_M________
@C_R_O_M________ Год назад
The Greek Junta of the colonels, was, essentially a CIA operation to prevent a communist takeover. It did a great disservice long term as it glorified communism in the eyes of the public. If a communist takeover had taken place at that time, it would have busted the myth of "humanitarian communism" that stills plagues the Greek political ecosystem, one of ideological ignorance.
@harukaru84
@harukaru84 Год назад
it was a coup, helped by the US. they took control, there was martial law and no freedom, they claimed to build infrastructure, which all what the actual democratic government before them was building. they put in prison everyone who opposed them, who ever was thought as communist, and prison was not even the start, they tortured and eventually killed the majority of them. there was censorship everywhere, and they effed up the economy for the generations to come, by giving loans without return to everyone to gain support of the people, creating an enormous dept we still pay to this day. then they interfered with Cyprus affairs and we lost half of the island to turkish invasion, that cost the lives of many. all in all a dark period for 7 years with a huge death toll, and changed the mentality of people.
@Han_Solo_Captain
@Han_Solo_Captain 2 года назад
Thank you so much for this great video !!!! Love from Greece 🇬🇷
@BrendenParker
@BrendenParker 2 года назад
The British helped the Greeks from becoming Communist, which would have been bad for the Greek soul.
@cvetomirgeorgiev9106
@cvetomirgeorgiev9106 2 года назад
The video is available EXCLUSIVELY in 144p and 1440p. No in-between
@sarthakmaan7075
@sarthakmaan7075 2 года назад
I am seeing in 720p🤔
@seneca983
@seneca983 2 года назад
I see all the options. Maybe some of them hadn't been generated when you watched this.
@pedrocarmo1996
@pedrocarmo1996 4 месяца назад
360p. Automatic.
@vasileiosomegas5414
@vasileiosomegas5414 Год назад
This civil war that started as soon as WW2 ended is the reason we don't celebrate the liberation of Greece, but the day we entered the war (28/10/1940). It was a dark period with atrocities from both sides. Greece lost more men in the civil war than WW2... The allies (mostly USA) used Greek civil war as a test lab for new weapons (throwing napalm to the communists hiding in mountains etc) that were later used in other wars like Korea, and the communists looted villages to find supplies and kidnapped litle kids in order to create more foot soldiers because they were outnumbered. A personal story that shows the animosity between the 2 sides is this: My late great grandfather was a hero of WW2 who almost lost his feet to frostbite and when the civil war started he was called to fight again. His fellow comrades from his hometown, who fought side to side with him against the Nazis but joined the communists, knowing that he is a soldier of the national army, went to his house and interogated my 6 year old grandma in order to find his whereabouts and set a trap to execute him. Luckily he was on the front at that time so he escaped almost certain death... Thank you for the video, although it is a dark period as I said before, we must know about it so we can never ever end up killing each other again. The same applies of course to any war.
@CrusaderKnight
@CrusaderKnight 2 года назад
144p Squad :)
@maharaicradle4164
@maharaicradle4164 2 года назад
sup :]
@TsarRaTheV
@TsarRaTheV 2 года назад
I’m here
@generalawing
@generalawing 2 года назад
Here.
@petko-0582
@petko-0582 2 года назад
Hi bro
@HertCervus
@HertCervus 2 года назад
Hi there
@Darth.Vermilius
@Darth.Vermilius Год назад
Not ''alleged'' collaborators ; Greece is the only place in Europe where too many collaborators not only escaped justice but they also came back to several positions of authority soon after the Civil War. Britain used them against Socialist EAM (which was NOT communist but a broad coalition of progressive parties, including KKE) because ''the enemy of my enemy is my friend''. EAM [and later KKE] committed several atrocities but executing nazis is not one of them ,because they were not crazy as many historians would like to believe.
@neandros7
@neandros7 Год назад
EAM founded by KKE...
@gnas1897
@gnas1897 Год назад
True but the coalition that founded EAM was led by the KKE
@gourtzel
@gourtzel 2 года назад
It is truly remarkable how much thorough was your research on this matter. As a Greek myself I have to admit it. This was phenomenal. Even the headlines and the titles of the newspapers are up to the point. My best guess is that maybe a Greek guy helped you with this content. Anyhow, congrats!
@Farmer_El
@Farmer_El 2 года назад
If you had been my history teacher in high school, and if you had done presentations just like this, I would have been a much better student.
@petr79
@petr79 Год назад
Brits also used the Acropol as a defence cover and British soldiers resided in the museum there. They did not allow the Greek museum staff to enter. They endangered the artifacts too, touching and climbing on them taking pics, while using the place as a public toilet and they called prostitutes too. So much for respecting Ancient Greek civilisation from the Crusader successors.
@ΔημήτρηςΗλιάτορας
My grandfather Dimitrios was a member of EAM-ELAS during the Tripple Axis Occupation of Greece as there were thousands of Greeks at EAM-ELAS. However,in 1944 the KKE desided to take power via violoence and war again the Monarch-Fascist Goverment as the Communists called the other political parties and the other resistance groups. My grandfather then decided to abandon the EAM-ELAS because he didn't want to kill Greeks,which was not the purpose from the start. He was proclaimed to be a Traitor from KKE even though he was one of their greatest fighters. He remained a communist until his death even though he was against the practises of EAM-ELAS under the commands of KKE.
@neandros7
@neandros7 Год назад
yes the government was not only fascist but guys who never fought for their country and just came from cairo. KKE had to defend the freedom that people got with blood
@constantinepanagiotatos975
@constantinepanagiotatos975 3 месяца назад
@@neandros7They fought and killed for control and power, not freedom. Amazing you still believe this propaganda. You’d be a vassal state of the USSR had those clowns won. Today all they have is a stage in front of syntagma and brainwashed slobs to still make comments like this.
@peteraune3693
@peteraune3693 2 года назад
You do not mention Churhill´s agreement with Stalin as to the division of spheres of influence after the war.
@kerkireos
@kerkireos 2 года назад
Α ρε Ελλαδα..Οταν οι αλλοι εφτιαχναν τις ζωες τους εμεις ειχαμε εμφυλιο...
@jayjayson9613
@jayjayson9613 2 года назад
We had to drive out the Commies someway after all phile.
@UnknownSoulGuy
@UnknownSoulGuy 2 года назад
Πάντα έτσι ήμασταν πατριώτη... πάντα έτσι ήμασταν.
@dimitrisoikonomou3568
@dimitrisoikonomou3568 2 года назад
Πάντα αυτό δε κάναμε...?
@englandtownwalks891
@englandtownwalks891 2 года назад
Εδω στην επανασταση μολις απελευθερωσαμε την πελλοπονησο καναμε εμφυλιο 😅😅.
@kerkireos
@kerkireos 2 года назад
@@englandtownwalks891 Αρχοντες
@nenaddimitrievski2625
@nenaddimitrievski2625 Год назад
The British also used napalm bombing wiping out whole villages, contributing for the war atrocities in which the ethnic Macedonians were specifically targeted.
@stefanosalevras1611
@stefanosalevras1611 4 месяца назад
Yes, British also killed babies and ate them.
@nicka.papanikolaou9475
@nicka.papanikolaou9475 Месяц назад
There were/re no ethnic Macedonians. Check documents of that tome and you will never fnd "ethnic macedonians. The only Macedonians were/are Greeks. You were "macedonians" Tito who sought to undercut Bulgaria. You are bulgarians with a stolen name and history.
@savemman
@savemman 2 года назад
I think the title of the video is misleading... It is not "why did Britain *attack* the Greeks", but rather "why did Britain get involved in Greek politics after the axis forces left". Or "why did Britain get involved in the Greek civil war". The British were not going there to attack the Greeks but to support the Greek people and its' elected Greek government that was already in Cairo in the midst of a civil war. A British soldier of that time was not thinking "I am going to attack the Greeks" but rather, "I am fighting to help the Greeks from the partizan parties gone rogue".
@woodlandcreature8857
@woodlandcreature8857 2 года назад
EAMs idea of "collaborators" was anyone who criticised their movement. If socialists/communists would learn to work with others they'd be more successful
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan 2 года назад
Everytime they did, the communist got stabbed in the back
@dirckthedork-knight1201
@dirckthedork-knight1201 2 года назад
Exactly
@gnas1897
@gnas1897 Год назад
But there were many non-communists in EAM 😂 Collaborators were sometimes simply suspected collaborators, because desperate times require desperate measures.
@georgios_5342
@georgios_5342 2 года назад
Greece won both WW2 and the civil war and became a free democracy, also gained the Dodecanese, but lost Northern Epirus in the end 🥲
@panoskoutelas9542
@panoskoutelas9542 Год назад
Thank you for this video. I can only assume why so little we, the Greek people, know about the civil war.
@Berethoris
@Berethoris Год назад
why we, the Greek people, know so little about the civil war
@vasiliskirlis3041
@vasiliskirlis3041 2 года назад
Amazing video,people here in Greece do not learn history correctly or deny its very existence. Ty Armchair I am a fan from the very beggining of your YTC,hope for more about our country in your next videos 100% accurate and up to the point!
@ΑνδρέαςΖουμπουρλάς-ν9ε
Τι να σου μάθουν, κυρίως ο εμφύλιος αν σου μάθουν τα πραγματικά γεγονότα θα σου δημιουργήσει τις χειρότερες εντυπώσεις για τα δεξιά κόμματα
@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373
@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373 3 месяца назад
How do you know they are accurate?
@Торговецложками
@Торговецложками 4 месяца назад
You know, guys, when one side of a civil war requires military intervention from a stronger empire to defeat its opponents, I would seriously think about whether that side truly represents its people.
@BelgianProblem
@BelgianProblem 4 месяца назад
I mean, the communists also had foreign support.
@BSJinx
@BSJinx 2 года назад
13:35 "When meeting the Greek Prime Minister General Plastiras in 1945 Churchill asked his advisor if he also had feet of clay."
@Rheinmetall1
@Rheinmetall1 Год назад
Click bait aside, a very good video.
@MrPro897
@MrPro897 2 года назад
title is completely misleading. British never attacked the Greeks, they saved Greece from communism totalitarianism. We the Greek people are grateful to Britain, Churchill and the King.
@xanx3572
@xanx3572 4 месяца назад
- British man larping as a greek person
@MrPro897
@MrPro897 4 месяца назад
@@xanx3572 μαλάκα
@philzakhariadis
@philzakhariadis 2 года назад
Wow, it's so empowering to see someone finally talk about such an important part of modern Greek history - especially a part involving my great grandfather, Nikos Zachariadis :)) Thank you
@hst615
@hst615 2 года назад
One of the great Anti-Fascist of Europe. Kudos.
@jackboehm8408
@jackboehm8408 2 года назад
Bro, your grandfather was a murderer? Dang.
@philzakhariadis
@philzakhariadis 2 года назад
@@jackboehm8408 My great grandfather, so my grandfather's father, was a political leader who is considered very, very controversial in Greece until this very day. He is not what one would call a murderer, but the Party's common decisions during the Civil War (who also were to a great extent following what Moscow told them) did lead to many deaths on both sides. He himself by the way wrote an open letter to the Greek people in 1940 while imprisoned on Corfu, asking them to fight got Greece's independence against the Italian powers that were coming for them, a fact that contributed to the utter humiliation of Mussolini in Europe's eyes. It is eye opening when one realizes that the letter was published in the national newspaper by then dictator Ioannis Metaxas, who was of the far-right but had declared that he would not let the Italian troops pass through Greece and thusly decided to help his political rival.
@georgezestanakis6788
@georgezestanakis6788 2 года назад
I am the creative director of the channel, i have to say that i am happy to see you in the comments sharing your great grandfathers story. We worked hard to keep our approach as neutral as possible. I believe we succeeded (taking into account that the channel’s origin is western)
@ΚωνσταντίνοςΠαπαναστασίου-υ8σ
@@hst615 Antifa is cringe
@ioannispapaletsos2784
@ioannispapaletsos2784 Год назад
Excellent work and very close to being objective. Keep digging in Greek history. It' s very well documented and full of moral precept. The music score was amazing and the whole clip was very atmospheric. Congratz!!!
@Hellenikon71
@Hellenikon71 2 месяца назад
I grew up in Greece during the 60s & 70s dad was USAF at Hellenikon. He had a few CIA friends. The American club was the former HQ for the Nazis and had swastikas etched into the marble floors. That was the golden age of Greece in terms of light tourism and plenty of fantastic childhood events with so many incredible places to go and see. As a Greek American, I really think Greece was a better place to live (was) compared to what Greece has become.
@walnzell9328
@walnzell9328 2 года назад
I wonder if elements of the British and American governments considered installing the young exiled Prince Philip of Denmark and Greece as a puppet king if the communists gained the upper hand and Geórgios II was not amiable to their influence.
@kajamix
@kajamix 2 года назад
Phil's mother thought about for a time, but that was in the 30s. During the war Phil was already a commissioned Royal navy officer and in love with princess Elizabeth.
@Mandark020
@Mandark020 2 года назад
I know for a fact that my Mother's Father supported the communists during the civil war, I don't know if he fought in that war though, I only know that he fought in 1940/41 in the Albanian front, and some time afterwards he was almost executed by some fascists as retaliation for something (I don't know what), escaping by walking barefoot (they had taken his boots, since he was to be killed) for days in the mountains of Epirus until he arrived at Parga where he had relatives who hid him. At some point in his life he came to regret supporting the communists, I don't know when or what changed his mind. Later in his life he would say about it : "we were young, and we didn't know any better". He did remain hostile to the political right for the rest of his life though, in his later days he was a committed social democrat and a huge admirer of the Swedish Social Democratic Party. As for my view of things, without British and US assistance, Greece would have probably ended up with a Stalinist dictatorship for close to half a century, a police state, imprisonment or death for anyone who had "diverging" or "revisionist" political views and dared to be open about it - including socialists, who they would call "social fascists" if they weren't the "correct kind" of socialist - , and a lot of poverty, similar to what the people of Albania, Romania and Bulgaria had to go through. There would be statues of Churchill and Truman in every town square in the country if it were up to me. P.S. Edited for syntax.
@TheChaosPath
@TheChaosPath 2 года назад
I bet you would also like next to their statues in every square a statue of Georgios Papadopoulos as such was the result of their actions in our country. Μπράβο πατριώτη!
@im2noob4bronze
@im2noob4bronze 2 года назад
Based, they saved us from becoming a poor stalinist state as the KKE was very much Stalinist (it's clear even from the style of their assassinations during the Civil war)
@Mandark020
@Mandark020 2 года назад
@@TheChaosPath Yeah, because being against a communist dictatorship clearly implies that I have to be in favor of a military Junta... Were you drunk or something when you wrote this?
@jackthorton10
@jackthorton10 2 года назад
Oh, so you would rather enjoy the workers paradise in Greece, sure a junta is terrible don’t get me wrong, but it is probably a SLIGHTLY better outcome for a time than the commmunist turning the cradle of democracy into a future Authoritarian Cesspool
@TheChaosPath
@TheChaosPath 2 года назад
@@jackthorton10 I guess you 've outlived both and so your logical assumptions. Greeks who have lived at least a junta (like my parents for example) beg to laugh at your comment though. Why is that?
@yja496
@yja496 2 года назад
Greeks from different regions of the country, through out history have always fought each other.
@thegreekguy1124
@thegreekguy1124 Год назад
Greeks a nation with 3 civil wars,3 country splits,5 juntas and 3 liberation wars(successful) in 150 years
@Μάικ-ν5φ
@Μάικ-ν5φ Месяц назад
In my living room I have a vase. It is an empty mortar shell. A British empty mortar shell. My grandma took it out of the smithereens of her landlady's house during the battles of December 1944. Her husband, my grandfather, run away from his execution by the EAM forces literally the last minute. History is not only taught at schools. We can always ask the people who lived it. Thanks for an objective snapshot of Greece's modern history.
@bawicz0
@bawicz0 2 года назад
Another good day when Armchair historian uploads
@CalTest72
@CalTest72 2 года назад
I have a friend who's grandmother worked for Churchill.
@f0nt
@f0nt 2 года назад
Recommend doing a video about soviet occupation of the baltic states during and after ww2. It is a very complicated yet not very well known to the westeners.
@Wookie.Boogie
@Wookie.Boogie Год назад
I think you missed the part where Truman threw NAPALM bombs as part of his Marshal plan
@gnas1897
@gnas1897 Год назад
Me on my way to barbeque a village in Northern Greece: (There were like 2 reds hiding in the forest nearby)
@MrReded69
@MrReded69 3 месяца назад
Churchill and the Mediterranean were always a messy combination. From Gallipoli onwards.
@ΚωνσταντίνοςΧΙ
The title is a bit confusing. They didn't "attacked us". They send forces to help the Greek army defeat the EAM-ELAS partisans which they wanted to establish a communist regime to the country.
@Furry-xr4hp
@Furry-xr4hp 3 месяца назад
And they established a fascist regine wow, they did attack, Britain should have have no word in this
@ΚωνσταντίνοςΧΙ
@ΚωνσταντίνοςΧΙ 3 месяца назад
@@Furry-xr4hp they established fascist regime?? Probably you need some serious history lessons my friend. Georgios Papandreou the senior was fascist according to you? Greece didn't have any fascist regime until 1967 and the military Junta of Papadopoulos. Get it right. Oh! And if England hadn't any business to get involved so was the same about the Soviets, Yugoslavians of Tito, Bulgarians and Albanians. Yet they got involved.
@Furry-xr4hp
@Furry-xr4hp 3 месяца назад
@@ΚωνσταντίνοςΧΙ Greece had a fascist regime before we even entered ww2, most of Greece and greeks were communists
@ΟΥΡΟΛΟΓΟΣΑΡΙΔΑΙΑΜΑΡΙΟΣΖΑΧΑΡΙΑΔ
Gongratulation. It was really good portrayal of the situation in Greece at the time, given that the video was 19min long. In comparison to other history channels your portrayal was the best. And the music background that you chose was quite good also. Cheers!
@Fishman-o7j
@Fishman-o7j 2 года назад
Very good content, would love to see one on the Greek Revolution too. Eleftheria i thanatos!
@ppg4667
@ppg4667 Год назад
Freedom or death. Commie malakas can suck it
@MemekingJag
@MemekingJag 4 месяца назад
Griffin Johnson, the Armchair Historian sounds like a boss-level NPC you find in an end game quest hub - probably starts you on a multi-stage quest to find unique armour or a weapon while telling you in quest text about its history.
@kendallnicol3338
@kendallnicol3338 Год назад
It was W. Churchill who said "Heroes fight like Greeks"
@Munchkino
@Munchkino 2 года назад
Thanks for covering this part of history. The art and research into the subject was great as always.
@jayjayson9613
@jayjayson9613 2 года назад
Thank you very much for covering this. As a Greek, I appreciate it.
@creppe6086
@creppe6086 2 года назад
can you make a video about the triple alliance war/paraguay war?, seen that this war e very rarely spoken here at south america an even at my country (Brazil) and i would appreciate see a such good content creator like you that teach me more history than all the 5 schools i studied in my life made a video explaining more about this almost forgotten war ps: sorry for any english grammar error or miss pronunciation you might see at this comment
@theotank2439
@theotank2439 2 года назад
I like that idea. I have wanted to learn more about that war, especially because of how unusually brutal it ended up being to Paraguay.
@creppe6086
@creppe6086 2 года назад
@@theotank2439 yes it was a slauther for both sides mainly paraguay and brazil that suffered alot economicaly ,politicaly and millitary with this war, also o risk my self say that this was mas more brutal than the american civil war it self seen that the battles were mostly in close quarters due the terrible swampy terrain the armies fight making each battle a little antietam with bayonet charges close range skirmishes and everything else you can imagine
@RC15O5
@RC15O5 2 года назад
Only missed two words ("appreciate" and "comment"), great job!
@angusyang5917
@angusyang5917 Год назад
wish granted
@TomLaios
@TomLaios 2 года назад
In the village I was born, the only Nazi story I can recall was my paternal grandfather being injured in a "Stuka" strafing attack .But every family had horror stories about the "andartes".As a kid, I just couldn't believe Greeks could do such horrible things to each other.
@bhangrafan4480
@bhangrafan4480 3 месяца назад
Churchill foresaw that the westward advance of the USSR would mean the spread of Communism which he vehemently opposed, this is why he was so keen for the allied second front to be in the Balkans, with the idea of forestalling the westward expansion of Soviet power. He argued for this at the allied conferences but was over-ruled by FDR who saw France as the obvious option. From Churchill's view the advance up Italy was important as a way to get allied forces into central Europe ahead of the Soviets. The war in Greece was all about suppressing Communism.
@sarantissporidis391
@sarantissporidis391 Год назад
My grandfather was a royalist. He fought as an evzonos at the Albanian frontier, kicking Italian butt, but almost losing both of his legs by frostbites in the process. After the German invasion and the surrender of Greece, he returned to his family, living peacefully at his island. One day, a boat full of members of the Security regiments, the Nazi collaborators came, drafting right wing men to fight against the partizans of EAM ELAS. My grandfather although being a royalist, refused saying "I am not going to fight against Greeks". He, along with other right wing people who had also denied drafting, was captured, and taken by boat to Piraeus to be executed. Luckily, he managed to escape and returned home. There are lots of things that I am proud of my grandfather, but l think this is what makes me proud the most.
@Diog3nes
@Diog3nes 2 года назад
As a Greek I can say that the documentary is 100% accurate...
@kajamix
@kajamix 2 года назад
Except for the odd title.
@albinovenom6872
@albinovenom6872 2 года назад
What is your comment of the Yugoslavs particulary the Macedonians helping the communists during the civil war?
@Diog3nes
@Diog3nes 2 года назад
@@albinovenom6872 It's true...
@kajamix
@kajamix 2 года назад
@@albinovenom6872 Tito's Macedonianas were communists. Before them the nazis had created their own fake Macedonian state. Their leader was one who escaped through the Vatican trail and was never caught. But Tito instead of making peace with Greece he joined the fake Macedonia circus himself. He did that to promote communism in Greece (as he was a Stalinist at the time) but also to make the fake Macedonians forget their allegience to Bulgaria. Bulgaria too had become communist but Tito nevertheless did not want them to meddle with Yugoslav affairs.
@giorgosmp161
@giorgosmp161 2 года назад
@@albinovenom6872 based
@erti4531
@erti4531 2 года назад
Can you make a video about Albanian-British corfu channel incident 1946?
@Evagelopoulos862
@Evagelopoulos862 Год назад
Britain didn't attack the Greeks . Britain ,with the permission of the Greek government , helped the Greek army, to stop the expansionism of Communism.
@demetrisdemetriou7405
@demetrisdemetriou7405 2 месяца назад
Very good video! Short and to the point. Well done!
@quintorezwalker5210
@quintorezwalker5210 2 года назад
I didn't know Sir Christopher Lee was a SOE agent? But he was an actor who played Dracula.
@gabrielvalentin.28
@gabrielvalentin.28 2 года назад
It is saddening to see how countries which supported communism ended up capitalistic while countries which supported monarchies or capitalism ended up communist
@dimitrisoikonomou3568
@dimitrisoikonomou3568 2 года назад
While KKE was popular, it would never set roots in Greece, because unlike Russia, the weren't huge differences between middle class and lower class in Greece. Greeks never favoured communism: apart from being illegal since its existence (the KKE), it wasn't ideology that drove most people to EAM- ELAS, but their will to fight no matter what and EAM provided the highest success and survival rate. After the Varkiza agreement, most "communists" returned home, the fighting afterwards continued by fanatics and recruited children that were robbed off their families along with food by villages in northern Greece. You can see the civil war's footprints to this day: northern Greece never votes for socialist/communists parties in elections.
@kajamix
@kajamix 2 года назад
@@dimitrisoikonomou3568 KKE was not really all the rage in occupied Greece, but the communist bandits were very well armed. In addition don't forget USSR too was an ally, so many people were duped. If you were in Athens in October 1944, liberation day, and you were a nationalist, you would more likely than not fly the Soviet flag from your balcony together with the Greek flag.
@ilililililililli2531
@ilililililililli2531 2 года назад
@@kajamix Nationalists would never fly soviet flags since a lot of them were members of EDES and other anti-communist resistance movements
@tylerbozinovski427
@tylerbozinovski427 2 года назад
@@kajamix Sweet sweet irony.
@kajamix
@kajamix 2 года назад
@@ilililililililli2531 Yes they would. It was the wartime alliance, USSR was an ally. Everyone would fly the Soviet flag before the events of December 1944.
@Atreas40000
@Atreas40000 Год назад
The British did not attack "The Greeks" but the communinst rebels who were basically supported by communist Yugoslavia and Albania. Many of these "Greek" communinst rebels were actually of slavic enthnic origin, and supported the interests of Greece's northern neighbours instead of the Greek people. Of course history is more complicated than simple statements. The British were accused of actually financialy supporting both sides in the Civil War from time to time.
@richardschulman8821
@richardschulman8821 3 месяца назад
1. Why did the Greek boy leave home? He was reared by his father. 2. Why did he return? He couldn't leave his brothers behind. 3. What do the Starship Enterprise and a piece of toilet paper have in common? They both circled Uranus looking for Klingons.
@Cfu72
@Cfu72 2 месяца назад
Κοψε τα ναρκωτικα ....Δεν αρμοζουν στην ηλικια σου
@apmoy70
@apmoy70 Месяц назад
Because they didn't want Greece to ask for Cyprus as compensation for its contribution to the cause, the speed at which Churchill changed his attitude towards Greeks, from allies to enemies, is noteworthy. The Brits were even reluctant to give the Dodecanese to Greece, for a short period after the German surrender, the islands became a British military protectorate
@yikezword6464
@yikezword6464 2 года назад
As a Greek i have learnt a lot of this video that we were not taught on school
@georgechatzopoulos8911
@georgechatzopoulos8911 Год назад
Λογικό, αφού όλη η επανάσταση οργανώθηκε από ένα κόμμα που ακόμη για κάποιον λόγο υπάρχει. Αν βάλουν όλες τις λεπτομέρειες του εμφυλίου, η Ελλάδα θα γεμίσει τεράστιο μίσος ενάντια της αριστεράς
@hellaspatriot2733
@hellaspatriot2733 2 года назад
Every video on Greek history be like >"After the collapse of the economy"
@conserva-chan2735
@conserva-chan2735 2 года назад
A vid on the Soviet-Afghan War would be so awesome.
@averagegamer6912
@averagegamer6912 2 года назад
I have the exact same thought!
@compatriot852
@compatriot852 2 года назад
Or the Soviet Forest Brother war in the Baltics
@averagegamer6912
@averagegamer6912 2 года назад
I actually live in Latvia, so yeah that would be cool (or just guerilla warfare in Eastern Europe after WW2 in general)
@conserva-chan2735
@conserva-chan2735 2 года назад
@@averagegamer6912 more videos about the early cold war in general would be great
@averagegamer6912
@averagegamer6912 2 года назад
@@conserva-chan2735 That doesn't sound like a bad option either.
@alexandroskazantzidis8423
@alexandroskazantzidis8423 Год назад
Although my family tree is far from communist-free, If it were up to me, there would be statues of Truman and Churchill in every city square in the country.
@nermainmerl6108
@nermainmerl6108 2 года назад
I don't really understand how everyone comments "We weren't taught about ww2 and civil war in school so bad educational system" What kind of school did you go to? I went o a public one, we did WW2 and civil war in great detail and twice or thrice from 6th grade to 12th grade. Civil war and WW2 in way more detail than this video as well. You just didn't pay attention just admit it.
@dirckthedork-knight1201
@dirckthedork-knight1201 2 года назад
Its not that we weren't taught more that we weren't taught correctly Probably because the second words about atrocities are heard the left wing or right wing teacher would be outraged and start raving about "propaganda"
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