Hi a little recommendation, at the start of the video you state that the planet does not exist. This is kind of misleading to people who might have clicked off the video very quickly. Saying something such as "does not exist as is shown by pictures in other videos" gives people a more clear and better understanding. Sorry if this sounds a bit stupid but it's probably best to clarify such stuff especially in an age where the internet is filled with click bait instead of full statements giving the full idea
@@Dreidelium”Maybe the real [treasure] was the friends we made along the way” is a meme. The “friends” part of the phrase is not referring to the “[treasure]” noun (here J1407b), but the supposed connection people have made surrounding it.
@@tf2scoutpunch175 It's funny, when I google it with chrome I get "J1407b is an exoplanet with a ring system 200x bigger than the rings of Saturn.." as the wikipiedia preview. When I search it with Brave, I get "In 2007, J1407 was observed to be eclipsed and possibly orbited by at least one major body, 1SWASP J1407b (shortened as J1407b). J1407b is thought to be either a large gas giant planet or a brown dwarf with an immense ring system. Subsequent observations have not successfully detected J1407b, suggesting that it may be on a highly eccentric orbit around the star, or that it is a rogue object that coincidentally transited V1400 Centauri."
@@tf2scoutpunch175 yes, which is not saying "it does not exist", or "it does not have rings" etc. Especially when NASA themself says the wrong info, and there's hundreds of results backing up what most people have already heard and flooding out the truth, of course people will still believe the myth. That was the point of the video. But shortened. Which was the point of OP's comment :p
I'd say the idea of "planet with enormous rings" is what provided the initial hook to J1407b. Saturn's rings are beautiful, imagine a planet with rings many times larger than Saturn's. And the problem only grew from there
Yeah It's cool that J1407b may be forming planets But goddamnit the "Lord of the Rings" myth is way to cool for me not to believe it even if It's been disproven
yeah, the idea that a planet that has rings as wide as distance from sun to earth would make imagination run wild and a good source for sci-fi stories.
In my opinion, the fact that j1047b is actually just a rogue brown dwarf that just so happened to pass by a star for us to see, is such an absurdly miniscule occurance for us to even see, and I will ALWAYS find that cooler than the weird science fiction belief of it having comicallly large rings.
@@tessabakker662 it is an event which is over quick. yeah its cool but the celestial bodies involved arent that special its just a constellation. a planet with such rings on the other hand is there much longer and also extremely rare if not impossible
I’m honestly getting tired of people saying “J1407b doesn’t exist at all” and I once got somewhat irritated because of it and I just wanna go with J1407b being a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk which is just as fucking cool as a planet with giant rings imo bc I don’t give a shit what j1407b is
J1407b does indeed exist, and is either a large rogue gas giant or an unbound brown dwarf, which has either a large ring system or a circumplanetary disk. The rings were never debunked, but it’s debatable whether it’s a proper ring system a la Saturn, or whether it’s a disk where planetary formation occurs. Either way, the title of this video is misleading to say the least. Much of the object’s original description remains unchanged or at least not falsified, besides it being thought to orbit the star V1400 Centauri
@rikk319 Secure Contain Protect It's a pretty interesting Fandom but I don't really know how to explain the media itself, just a fictional agency protecting the world from seeing anomalies
@@rikk319 ***Special Containment Procedures (my bad) The acronym means "Secure. Contain. Protect." It's associated with the SCP Foundation, a fictional secret organization that captures fictional monsters/anomalous objects to protect humanity. The anomalies are also called SCP.
A lie gets halfway around the world, starts families, and becomes intergrated into multiple societies while the truth is twitching on the ground and foaming at the mouth.
@@chistinelaneYou know who i think would have ALSO said that after hearing Churchill? May be fictional, but Cave Johnson would have DEFINITELY said that
@mostkurdishkurd2 probably a bunch of goons who didn't even bother to have little good time in their lives by watching the video if they wanna get smarter lol
I think you're right, I was confused after hearing about J1407b for the first time, because a collision of moons is not enough to form such a huge ring
J1407b is 433.8 light-years away from earth, and if you look hard look at the direction its star is and you might just see the thin ring blocking the light. Edit: Also, J1407b has a ring system with a radius of 120 million kilometers (200x bigger than Saturn's rings)
@AmongUs_TordVids you can’t see j1407b or it’s star without a very powerful telescope, and you for sure wouldn’t be able to see the rings it also doesn’t orbit its star because it’s not a planet
When it comes to things that have less of an impact in the regular person's life, such as astronomy, this issue is really not much of a problem. Sure there are flat-enthusiasts and most likely always will be some small number of them, and the extreme casual "I-F*CKING-LOVE-SCIENCE" Facebook page types, but the real issue is in the scientific fields that do have a larger impact on everyday lives - like medical science. And the larger issue isn't just misinformation, it's the insane anti-scientific-process view held by people in high and mighty positions that say you cannot have any questions about what they're telling you, and any attempt to push against that being labeled as "anti-science" when science is the process of asking questions and making observations, putting it overly simply. That is what has driven a mistrust between the average people and institutions. The misinformation online about exoplanets and AI generated nonsense about faraway systems is annoying, but not really the root of the problem of mistrust in the lab coats so to speak.
@@trashjash Nope, all scientific misinformation is bad, as it casts doubt on scientific authority as a whole And your second point is pure pseudoscientific talking point. No, you cannot "push" against established science - that's the role of scientists, if something doesn't stand up against scrutiny it will be relaced by a better alternative. If you're not a scientist in a given field, listen to the consensus and don't question it - you have no right to put your ideas on the same level as established knowledge. Science is not dogma
@@trashjash If a famous scientist/engineer/whatever says climate change is false or that vaccines don't work and that pushing against what they said is "anti-science" due to their position then that is quite simply a fallacy. However, that doesn't mean that you can go directly against the scientific consensus for something purely because you feel like it, asking questions due to your ignorance on the subject and thinking you are doing "real science" by doing so is what makes people become anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and a bunch of other conspiracy groups. I'm just saying this due to the fact that someone acting like the previous paragraph described can quite easily end up believing themselves to be doing "science" with such things, your comment maybe even reassuring them.
Kyplanet, you should really edit the Wikipedia page related to J1407b! It's the primary way that I know about it, and usually the editors fix errors pretty quickly, so I expect it to be fairly accurate. If it's refuted, Wikipedia should be clear about the current information!
Give this guy a medal for telling us that this "planet" was not a planet, i thought it has the biggest rings, i respect this guy with my most distinguished respect, very good
6:47 The Nasa communication issue part reminded be that if you search for Uranus and go to pictures, one of the first images is Neptune because that's the main image for the article.
HD100546b had a yt short recently where it was all flashy and said 752x the mass of Jupiter.. all the comments pointed out how this would be a star. Its interesting you revive this conversation on exoplanet misinformation now and will be on the lookout
Of course, I also had a doubt that such exoplanet having 752 Jovian masses exist, because the upper limit of a brown dwarf is about 75 or 80 Jovian masses...
I mean, J1407b is technically real, but isn't as to what many people were expecting. (I say technically, because we've only seen it once and that was it. It hasn't been observed since 2007.)
Another problem is that people misunderstand what science is truly all about. A lot of it isn't supposed to be established and irrefutable information. It is subject to change based on further discoveries. The more people catch on to this, the better.
I ran simulations on J1407b and its ring system in Universe Sandbox. Even considering a retrograde motion of the rings, there is no way it's ring system remains stable at all after several years, let alone 16 million years
@@Sigma_skibidi100 They are an online mental health provider that has sold customer data. Any creator pushing them at a minimum doesn’t do due diligence and at worst they know and do not care. I found this channel after leaving Astrum
Occam’s razor. 1: “J1407b is not a planet, and its rings are a protoplanetary disk. We were wrong.” 2: “ERM ITS ACTUALLY A PLANET WITH RINGS OUTSIDE OF THE ROCHE LIMIT AND OUR THEORY SURROUNDING THE ROCHE LIMIT IS FLAWED AND WE WERE ACTUALLY RIGHT BUT ITS STILL A GAS GIANT WITH RINGS EVEN THOUGH NOTHING WE HAVE PROVES THAT AND AND AND-“
I'm so glad you debunked this myth. I even included J1407b in my new MIBU space facts video that I made. Thank goodness you came out to debunk this myth.
Easy. It's cool. The universe is vast, horrifying and fascinating. It's fun to think about something so completely bizarre and nonsensical but still theoretically possible. Even if it's not scientific, it's still fun to imagine concepts like J1407b. I don'k really believe it exists, in fact I was always doubtful. But even I can appreciate how it would have fit into the strange beauty of our universe.
Considering how massive the universe is (potentially infinite for all we know), there is a good chance that there is a planet exactly like it somewhere in the cosmos.
@@TrueSavage555impossibly infinite* The universe is confirmed to be expanding and if its really infinite (infinite is a concept that means endlessity) then something endless cant extend as its already endless
I haven't known this even since it was unconfirmed... Now i know! This is a very informative video, and your channel is very underrated! It's great that you talk about all the misinformation, for the greater good of the public, and sharing the truth. You're not afraid to speak about controversial topics, and thats great!
@@Nightmarionne-FNaF such planet also might not exist at all because such big rings will form moons sense its not in the roche limit and how would rings get into orbit so far away. its just like the green star, people think it exist because of how big the universe is, but it doesnt exist and never will (unless its in our dreams ofc)
I'm glad videos like this exist, I was here on the very first video and saw everything go down and I can only imagine how hard it must've been to handle the amount of misinformation and people misinterpreting the video in the comments. As someone majoring in Astrophysics I see so much clickbait about exoplanets and interstellar objects and it sucks. Thank you dude ur a rlly great channel I look forward to what you'll do Also imo a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk transiting a star is a rlly cool event (and incredibly rare) and is so much cooler than a planet with big rings
Man, you're telling me the vinyl disc planet isn't real? Bummer. I was looking forward to hooking up a record player to it and playing the heaviest metal of the universe.
Your commentary on the dismal state of science communication today is absolutely spot on. Another reason which I think also explains the amount of garbage floating around on the internet these days is that the institutions that sponsor these studies sometimes do exaggerate their findings, not in the papers themselves but, for example, press conferences, because they need to sound like they made a breakthrough for the grant money.
On the topic of disproven exoplanets I recommend you make a video on Kepler 70b and c, since some believe theyre some of the hottest exoplanets known, while the data used to explain their existence could instead be caused by stellar activity
That's a good call. All of the spherical objects that don't quite qualify for planet status would be an interesting subject to explore. An upload exploring Ceres,Pluto,Charon and Eris among others would definitely be a fascinating watch.
@@T11235 Definitely! I think that the objects that don't have enough mass to become spherical would be worth devoting a separate episode to so as to fully do them justice. There's so much going on in the Asteroid Belt and the Kuiper Belt. An in depth look at some of these smaller objects would definitely be something I'd be interested in watching. Good shout mate.
A while ago, I saw one of the videos from 8:48 pop up in the recommended feed. It was saying that "NASA says that Mt. Saint Helens suddenly went to a 300% chance of eruption; we're all going to die." I had to laugh at the sheer ridiculousness of such a statement.
Huh, that video on the front page at 9:01 looks a bit similar to another video I’ve seen before. What was the name of the person who first made it? It was like Kyplanet or something…
Another thing is when scientists are wrong about something, people will blame them for getting it wrong. But that’s how science works, NASA will get tons of things wrong, and much of the time they’re the ones calling themselves out for it. A bad scientist isn’t one that gets things wrong after observation, but one that refuses to admit they were wrong.
Hello, I am a creator who has made videos on the J1407b myth before, heres my story I never knew it was false until 2 days after i made my initial video. I was looking for tons of ideas because Space Engine content was new on my channel instead of planetary collisions and I made a video on J1407b, I eventually made a video where its the most famous space objects, and I debunk some myths. Most of us do not mean to cause any harm.
I like this channel because it gives facts about planets and doesn’t just say that a planet is habitable because it’s earth sized and in the habitable zone.
Did you not watch the video? He literally explains exactly why you don’t find anything online. Because people exaggerate and perpetuate false information to captivate each other.
Why do we even bother looking at red stars? Shouldnt we be focusing on orange stars and yellow stars like ours? I think we should do that and then find actual plausible candidates for habitable worlds
@@ejosjek52.87 yea but if theyre always going to have dead worlds why even bother looking at them if we want to find worlds like earth? Orange stars are way better.
@@lv1543 M-star planets could potentially harbor life, they don't have to be dead. 90% of stars are M-type and planets orbit them very closely which makes them easier to observe afaik
The weirdest thing about this is that rings are usually formed by an object falling into the Roche limit of a planet, but how big does J1407b’s Roche limit have to be?
I've been spreading the truth about J1407b for about 2 years in the Russian side of the internet, and I hope I've made a little difference. I'm still doing it, thank you for your video!
I kinda called it I mean, what kind of a planet has rings so wide comoared to its size? That tiny planet relative to ring size must be some dense objects to have such a string gravity to have wide ringa
This video explains some issues with the internet at large very well. There are many examples of things like J1207b, myths against which obvious proof is held, yet the general population continues to believe in the myth. In English phonetics (the study of language) the vowel in "moon" is frequently regarded as [u(ː)] in major dialects like SSB (Standard Southern British) or General American, though it's much more commonly pronounced more like [ʉu̯]. The fact that the vowels in "see" and "moon" are frequently regarded as monophthongs (a vowel that doesn't glide in the vowel space during pronunciation) despite their identity as diphthongs (a vowel that glides significantly to another position) having been known for CENTURIES, is a testament to the phenomenon of people blindly regurgitating what others have told them, despite clear evidence to the contrary, and the general public blindly believing such falsehoods.
Alien conspiracy theories are already forming about voyager 1, one vocal minority is saying that the government is trying to start a war by making up a fake species that launched a probe
it’s basically impossible to have a planet have ring almost as long as 1 AU unless it’s mass is absolutely so massive that the roche limit extends farther than 50x the planet’s size which is practically impossible
While I'm a little bit bummed about J1407b not being a gas giant with humongous, marvelous rings, it's equally cool, if not cooler, that it may be a dwarf star with a proto-planetary disk passing between a distant star and us. The chances of this happening in time for us to witness are minuscule and it gives me a deeper appreciation for the size, scale and workings of the universe.
@@apalophiapalophion125 it went from being the planet with the greatest set of rings thought to ever exist to instead some random shitty pseudo star that noone will give any fuck about.
Thank you for this. I also despise AI generated trash, but I can't seem to make people realize they're being fed nonsense while incentivizing those channels to produce more disinformation. Great video!
There is a LOT of what I call “Fake astronomy RU-vid” out there that perpetuate that kind of stuff. Thank you for debunking it too. Stuff like this is only good for actual astronomy.
Budget. NASA is having issues with funding, Congress isn't providing enough to do everything they do, and "discretionary" things like the website suffer.
i absolutely cannot believe that people call google a source of information. it’s like taking a book that you did research on and putting it into a backpack, then when asked where you got the research from you say that it came from your backpack.
Psychiatrist: J1407b is totally real, J1407b totally gonna hurt you J1407b: [doesn't actually exist so it's not real and can't hurt you] This is actually a joke; it is based on the Skull Cow not real meme.
great video! what made me really notice how prevalent this theatrics is was how we kept getting people in the SE community joining and then learning that J1407b is not gravitationally bound to J1407
@@RedBoko2017 afaik it has something to do with the statistic that people who watch the video don't always like the video (and other technical limitations)
