NOPE. At this point, since I already have an original 15-key and an XL, the next one on my list is the plus 👏 OH and also...the word of the day is QUIRKY 🤣
@@Chief_Justice_Live That's really odd to me. I'm running a Loupedeck Live S (15 "button" touchscreen with four additional buttons and two encoders) and it works perfectly with OBS 29.0.2. Is there some way that the Loupedeck software bundled with the Razer software installation was an older version? Whenever a yellow light comes on in the software (I only know for OBS) it means that OBS isn't running and the software can't hook into it.
Half of hardware is the software. If it's not up to snuff then it's not worth it. Though the only good thing is that it's making competition (kinda). Competition is always great in this market but it's only great if it's actually competing. For the golden rule being "there is no bad product just a bad price", this should have been $20-&50 bucks cheaper given the fact the software isn't as good. Also, they are wasting their time and money on useless features which will be passed onto you, the buyer. So with that no, but if they made some changes that were worth something then yes.
Eeeehh.. The Teams plug in honestly inst all that impressive. It really doesnt do that much functionally aside from mice mute, camera and call disconnect.
As with most razer products (outside of some of them being cheaply made) is the software. Razers software suite is absolute garbage for just about everything. In their slight defense though its really Loupedeck's software, which is effectively what all the "razer" decks are.
Just a heads up. Half of why i want a StreamDeck, i mean Controller X is because I would use it half the time for work functions. In the Logistics/Industrial industry, knowing which weak of the year you are in is actually a crucial stat. Usually something they make specific calendars for it.
I hear you. I work with a company that uses a Julian calendar and something like which day of the year it is could be very handy... but none of our agents would really need a Controller SD which would make it a very expensive week of the year calendar :D :P Plus, I'm going to bet someone somewhere is going to make a plug in for that for the Stream Deck :P
Hey just a quick note. I run obs 29, works fine. Update had come out long times ago. Most of the things you've complained about is literally lack of knowledge and familiarity. You're right, it's not intuitive, but it's very powerful. The stored service actions is for custom actions you can create, like macros and such. First impression, ya it was confusing. But the things you pointed out.... Well it can do those things. Just not in an intuitive way. But ya, I think you're running an older version of the software and maybe need some more time with the software to figure it out.
TBH, Razer was the original stream deck. The Razer Switch blade and prototypes were out many years ago which was essentially a LCD/LED button panel. They just didn't capitalize on it.
Dude why you complaining about a program that you never learned to use yet. Read the manual, who cares about it being similar to stream deck, there sure is room out there for other companies to make similar products.
That's precisely the point....I did not read the manual for Elgato....I was pretty easy to figure out....your comment does not invalidate his video summary...it reinforces his argument
I bet Razer had most of the influence on the design. One of Loupedeck’s first products was the Loupedeck CT which is a monster of a shortcut device. I have one and despite not using all the buttons they where doing something different which is why I spent way too much money on it. Even their more recent products that’s more like a stream deck where trying something different like adding knobs and profile buttons to a more stream deck like design and you know what, stream deck responded to that threat and released a product with knobs. Razer definitely said I want a stream deck clone and licensed Loupedeck to do it without any design suggestions from the Loupedeck team. Razer just saw this as a quick cash grab.
I like to use the stream deck for “interactive” gaming, for example say your playing a survival game that includes a lot of pick ups from the ground, I would add a key binding to stream deck for that pick up key binding so I’m “reaching out” to pick something when I push the button on the stream deck
if razer added a hub to it, it would sell like crazy tho and Razer doesn't want that. edit: i'm also pretty sure that there is a mandate for their software to be troublesome.
There are use cases for the week button and I would prefer it tbh. A calendar week button would make my life easier. A lot of business management stuff relies on what CW it is
I stopped using my streamdeck years ago when I found out about touch Portal, there's other web alternatives but still for hardware usage touch Portal beats out the stream deck and this knockoff.
The Week Button or Display is pretty nice, lets say you want to do a Event on lets say Week X then you will always be reminded when this will be, remembering Dates for specific things is way harder than weeks, i learned this in sales....
@Senpai Gaming I know you have done reviews on the GoXLR as well as the Razer audio interface. Would you be able to do a video review on the M-Game audio interface made by M-Audio???!!! Seems to be really nice
My biggest complaint with the Stream Deck is the buttons, they have a long travel and they are also way louder than they should be. The issue would be all the functionality of the Stream Deck - I assume this won't have most of that to start...and if you consider companion - well this can't compete.
Newly subbed to your channel and loving it 🤩🥰👍! I have the Legato Stream Deck Medium (15 button model) (not for streaming) for ‘working from home’ stuff and gaming and it’s a great tool for enhancing my pc experience etc 🥳💪. I scored it here in Australia 🇦🇺 late 2022 for roughly $89USD on sale and it’s been a godsend for me. The Razer model shown as mentioned is simply a ‘copy n paste’ model for more $$$ 🤦🤦♀🙈. I always felt that an integrated usb 3.0 hub (4-port) would have made this an endgame product for everyone to have in their pc setup.
Not being compatible with the latest (3 month old) version is more than a major red flag. That is literally unforgivable. No matter how good the rest of the product might be that alone has assured I will never buy this.
The software is the cause why I dumped my two Loupedeck devices in a box and set up my Streamdeck. EDIT: The worst thing about the Loupedeck software is that it was way better when still in beta some time ago. I used to be a tester and all of a sudden they changed the layout to what you now get.
I wonder if the Stored Device Actions is more of a razer products compatibility thing. To make it easier to change device stored profiles on your Razer mice and keyboards.
they use the same button as Razer Death Stalker Ultimate back in 2012. very limited software, but cool to have haha. I hope I can re purpose the software no?
For anyone who's confused about the "Week #" button, that's actually useful for people who live in a part of the world that uses week numbers when communicating dates. We don't use that in North America, but they use week numbers in places like Europe.
Cool video. I have a Razer Stream Deck(Loupedeck Live) that I use mainly for video editing, while I love it and it has been very helpful, I agree that the software is atrocious. There is so many unneccesary steps that have to be taken to customize it and I dread opening the software everytime. I'm hoping they update the software to be more user friendly because if Elgato makes a device that is similar to the loupedcek live i'm jumping ship asap.
I have two razor products, a wireless mouse that charges itself on the mouse pad and a headset that vibrates inline with the base frequency. Both great product ideas (when they work) but both are clunky. After 2 years, today I'm replacing the mouse and mouse pad with Logitech. The razor mouse doesnt show a charged state (not even sure it has a battery actually) and has turned itself off too many times its just unreliable and will go in a sort of on off boot loop. The headset is amazing but the batter in it is too small and runs out within an hour. The synapse software is just bad. Going off these experiences i would avoid most razer products unless its a wired mouse...
as a person who owns a Razer Blackwidow Chroma V2 i know exactly what your talking about when you say you don't like the Synapse Software, everytime i want to change my lights I feel reluctant to fire up the program just because it's so poorly designed.
the weeknumber thing would be grand for me, i have switching shifts at work, almost no calendar has the weeknumber so every few weeks i'm stuck googling what week it is, to have it on a hotkey on my "stream deck" would believe it or not be a selling point for me
Razer has always been known for doing rebrands with OEM stuff, they did it with Avermedia capture cards years ago, now they do a Loupedeck one... I wouldn't even be surprised if their new mics were also rebrands from an OEM like fifine or the like lol. Wished they actually had a decent software for once, I have the old model of their capture card that it is compatible with PS2, yet I have never been able to make it work reliably, I just ended up getting one of those cheap PS2 hdmi output with a cheap capture card that seems to be the same as those 10$ ones, but has HDMI out, and even that worked better than the Razer one, like cmon Razer 😑
set the buttons on the streamdeck and leave it for another couple months??? 👀 Dude I needed a button for the stream deck software because I need to go in and add a whole new section of features every now and then, be it davinci, photoshop, notion or just general use type of stuff. I am so often in there I sometimes wonder if I actually got faster buying it
"It is possible to have too many options. I don't think anybody needs that." LMAO No doubt! I can't remember the last time I informed ANYONE as to what week of the year we were in.
I dont have a Razer But I have a Loopdeck and I think you are absolutly right. One topic you did not mention: There are really less Integrations for other Software. I tried IT and take it away from my desk. But to ge fair: I think the Streamdeck isn't as good as all youtubers are telling. In my opinion the wobaly partly loud Buttons are Bad quality. You ne er can be 100% sure, you have pressed it. Why is there still nö Button to navigate back to the last profile? Why cant I use the knobs of the Streamdeck + to navigate through pages or deine a list of action, rotate through the actions and then select one ( for example defining different light scenes and select one of them). Beide I think Elgato did not think until the end with the Design of the Streamdeck+ think Ing about Positions and size of the Buttons. I yust want to say, Elgato needs also to take several steps to make a really Great product
If you could use this hardware with the stream deck software it might have been perfect. I only have a few gripes on my stream deck experience, but nothing worth switching. 1. I have to manually launch the software every time the PC restarts. 2. Sliding around easily on the desk. 3. Obviously the mushy buttons. Seems like this solves at least the hardware flaws.
well, yes hotkeys, but the good part is you know which key is which, and in all the software you use.. if you get for example a dedicated keyboard, you are limited to that, or you need a really great memory.. with a stream deck/or this, you know what button what is by look..
For one reason and one real reason only. Because it will make them money. That's it. Anything else anyone else says means nothing. They just want to make as much money as possible and I don't blame them
Evwr seen the Razer Deathstalker keyboard? Yeah. Very early OLED Keyboard. It SUCKED cause they wouldn't give anyone the SDK to it so there was no way to truely utilize it, which is why they slept on it until the Streamdeck
A question regarding the mic 😅 I note the echo in your voice. Is that related to the shotgun mic itself? I was thinking about getting a shotgun mic for video conferencing, since I don’t want to have the mic in the frame, but now I doubt that decision.
I’ve got a large room with (fake) hardwood floors. Lots of sound bounces between the floor and the ceiling. I’ll be putting up an acoustic cloud when I get back from Japan but hard floors are the biggest cause of room reverb in just about any room.
I just really hate the sound that buttons make on all these types of products. My mic picks it up and it's very lame to head that clunky button sound right before and effect or transition.
The problem I have is that the even the Elgato Streamdeck feels limiting to me in the worst possible way. Its around 100 bucks, and all I can do is press buttons... Then you have Touchportal which is like 12 bucks for the pro version, one time payment, and using an old phone I can have up to a 110 buttons per page and I think infinite pages. If I desire I can make Sliders instead of buttons and.. without hassle I can download pre-made pages off of the internet, icons included and use those straight out of the box, straight from their website or elsewhere like I did with a Star Citizen page that allows you to have easy access to spacecraft controls and other things without hassle. Kinda, sorta off topic here, possibly very rambly. It is ironic you talk about synapse being bad.. but then proceed to use a Logitech mouse... Synapse even with all the quirkiness, is still kilometers a head of the hot garbage that is Logitech G Hub. I dread using it every single time I my G29 steering wheel needs a little changing. It's the worst software I have used and the new Logitech Options is also worse than the older Logitech Options. SOmehow Logitech manages to make their software worse through iterations. Like.. the gesture button, I can't tell what shortcuts I assigend to specific gestures untill I click 2 more times to open the gesture botton's settings, then Click on the specific gesture, eventhough they have an image that displays what button is what on the page, razer has a similar style image and there it even shows the second key I bound to a key on the Tartarus Pro(Optical switch, I can set 2 actuation points for 2 independed keypresses) which makes it a lot more useful to me than anything logitech has made xD
Meanwhile I am still out here using my 12 year old iPad mini with my 9 dollar Touch Portal installed on it because it does everything a StreamDeck can do. In fact most of the things that are doable on a Stream Deck were done first inside of Touch Portal, and will continue to be. Between Touch Portal and Streamer Bot I have never seen the need to buy a Stream Deck.
Is there a chance you could do a tech video on controlling an OBS + Stream Deck setup with a remote for doing live stream presentations. I do seminars that I want to stream and I am not at a desk, I am standing in front of an audience running through slides and videos. ???
9:00 about the rotation sounds absolutely fine. you are being unreasonable. more control is better than less control (toggle is less control). I dont have a loupe deck i have stream deck but I am assuming there may be a composite action, or a toggle action where you set up a button to accomplish a toggle, but without that I still think it is fine.
I kind of do that anyhow AKA profiles that you have to use.,... I deliberately made a profile page on the stream deck aka home switcher button and I just pick the profile I want to use and everything for that comes up plus on each profile there's 10 pages so I can do whatever with 240 icons and unlimited* profiles.... With one profile being default profile which I just cut copy and paste that to any new profiles I make so that the page layout is always the same previous page next page page number home switcher on every single page sure I lose a couple buttons but you have unlimited buttons at minimum 240 for stream deck XL
I feel like there's virtually no market for this. At the same price as a 15 button Stream Deck, it's a hard pass. The Stream Deck has a more developed ecosystem. Admittedly, if you're in the Razer ecosystem maaaaaaybe this makes more sense than the Stream Deck.
I'd say no, not even for those in the Razer ecosystem. I've got a StreamDeck XL and almost everything else, Razer. Still wouldn't get this. Elgato is way more developed. I'd say if it was selling for $0.01, then it'd be worth going for, but any more than that, and you're better off with the Elgato. And it's a shame because the Razer hardware is solid. And I've personally not run into any major issues with the software (though my keyboard and mouse love to randomly disconnect from my PC, even when connected in a wired manner, because of some USB error or some sort. It does this no matter what PC I use, I even changed PC and changed Razer devices, I even occasionally lose audio, and that's not Razer, so possibly pcie overload). But Razer needs to start paying developers like BarRaider, Microsoft, Zoom, Blackmagic Design, Adobe, etc, to make integrations with the Stream Controller X and Loupedeck etc, if they want to stand a ghost of a chance of competing with the StreamDeck.
Reviewed the Loupedeck Live S recently (including this software...) and it definitely has quirks for sure .... Overall the software felt nice though...
was it a rip off tho? Razer had the switchblade UI which came out since 2011, while it was a substitute for trackpads with dynamic keys, it was pretty much a stream deck integrated into a keyboard.
I brought the razer ripsaw capture card and the razer kiyo Pro camera and had nothing but issues with both (swapped to elgato and haven't had a single issue). I wouldn't even consider buying 1 of these over a stream deck. ✌️✌️
It looks like Razer's controllers are just rebranded Loupedeck hardware. Razer sells a what they call the "Razer Stream Controller" which looks identical to the "Loupedeck Live". Loupedeck is been making these devices for a while. All other quirkiness aside, why should I buy these things from Razer when I can go directly to Loupedeck? (No, Loupedeck doesn't have a version of the knobless Controller X but, I think, the question is still valid.)
the answer to the title is, they didnt. Elgato just made a basic macro pad and put screens on it, linked it to their own stuff and claimed they were the first company to do it. gamers have been doing it for over a decade. Razor did the same thing but so have alot of other places.
I clicked as I was thinking, "That's Razer's idea of _"ripping off"_ the Steam Deck?? What kind of handheld console looks like _that_ , and where the heck is the screen??"............. durrrr
I actually would want a plugin that cycles through date types I want. Week, Day and such. Sometimes people will be like "do you have time in week XY" I usually don't think in that term though. For the question would I buy THIS? No. Only things from razer I buy are mice (Deathadder) and keyboards, because I like those :x Rest is way too pricey for what it can do, compared to other producers.
I never liked razer products because they always feel cheap and if I just look at it the wrong way it will break. I especially hate the Razer synapse software and how its pretty much required if you want to use any of your devices. This feels like its just a loupedeck product that Razer just asked to put their name on it just to feel relevant in the streaming space. In my opinion loupedeck products are more designed for power users hence the reason why they have so many options which I think its great and would not have them change/remove those features. I had a loupedeck live and really enjoyed it but the issue I had was that it felt very unresponsive. Everytime I would switch profile or try to do something it felt like their was a huge delay between me pressing a button and the action taking place. The other issue I had was that it would constantly crash and I would have to keep restarting the software on my PC. So I ended up switching to the Stream Deck Plus which I do wish it had more features like the loupedeck but it atleast is stable and I don't notice any delays in the action.
I've always used Razer as my go to product, i did try going to another company but I always end up with Razer, but will agree that synapse can get a bit annoying but I've never had issues. How ever until I see further videos on their stream decks and capture cards and such ill stick to elgato. Love razer but there's just somethings.
@@RandomFandomOfficial I have an Elgato facecam, key lights and the stream deck. I love the stream deck and key lights, they work perfectly, but de facecam freezes so often when I‘m streaming and after restarting the cam software it works fine (for approximately 10-30 minutes), don‘t have to unplug the cam, so I assume the software‘s the problem and not the cam overheating. A few friends of mine have exactly the same problem with freezes, but with the cam link. I‘ll stick with Elgato when it comes to the lights and the stream deck, but won‘t buy a cam link/webcam from them again. Ordered an AVerMedia capture card yesterday because these freezes are triggering me too much. I hope I won‘t have the same problem with AVerMedia. And synapse’s kind of a pain in the ass sometimes, because it just doesn‘t work until I repair (or reinstall) the software, but that didn‘t happen since a few months. Maybe it was a bug and they fixed it, cause last year it happened a few times.
I find it funny that you dislike Synapse, since I love Razer for it. It makes programming my mouse, keyboard, Tartarus and headphones so easy. Other programs like Logitech are just annoying.
I’ve recently switch to Mac for editing reasons. I’ve lost respect for Razer since they didn’t updated the Synapse 3 app to support Mac, and now I can’t customize my keyboard and mouse pad in my Mac Studio 🤦🏻♂️
I really like it, Got one myself and it’s so much better built than the Stream Deck, instant upgrade. Also funny that when I saw the week number, I got so excited, because we talk in week numbers at work, but I do muss the community and custom profiles that I could download from external sources like the Stream Deck. Otherwise, nice video!
Well if you look at the price a razor 15 key for 175,- or I saw one for 192.- or a streamdeck for 240 or less well why would I get a 15 key for 350.- instead of a streamdeck for 240,- 100 difference ! . more if the price is down on amazon prime or cyber Friday like that.
