Why did STARFLEET UNIFORMS Change Colours? | Star Trek Lore

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You may have noticed that the colour of the captains uniform went from gold to Red and black... why would this happen? Todays video attempts to explain that and also give you more of an insight into the Starfleet Uniforms within the Star Trek Universe! Hope you enjoy!
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@Colin_ Год назад

From what i know the real reason they changed colours was that red looked better on Patrick so from then on red was the command track colour.

@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 10 месяцев назад

Especially when he does that tuck shirt in move..

@Colin_ 10 месяцев назад

@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 the Picard manoeuvre 😂

@STho205 8 месяцев назад

Same with the women in 1966. The women looked washed out in the tan/gold/green in both the film stock and on RCA color TVs. Look at Uhura in her first filmed episodes. Compare her 1st gold uniform with the red one. Grace Whitney helped with the redesign of the original uniform into the minidress. She was the initial model, and chose red for herself as it contrasted well with her blonde wig. You can see her in the gold sweatshirt uniform in some pre publicity stills....awful. Quickly they found that younger thinner men looked best in gold. Science looked best in blue as blue denoted wisdom and seriousness. Stockier and older men looked best in red as did most of the starlettes. Scotty got the red treatment for that reason as the stuntmen that played security. Also there was a desire to have a balanced palate of the primary colors in each shot for early color TV. NBC/RCA retained ST to primarily sell color TVs

@JohnCastleSmokeless 10 месяцев назад

Personal headcanon: The TMP-era "Monster Maroon" uniform, as it's sometimes called, saw Command Division officers in red. When we see a holographic recording of a young Lt. Jack Crusher, he's in the "Monster Maroon" minus the undershirt; this establishes a link in the "design evolution" of the uniform. As this design evolution continued, the wraparound tunic was ditched in favor of the jumpsuit seen in TNG Season 1. When that happened, though, since the jumpsuit didn't have the shoulder strap (which denoted Divisional assignment), Starfleet had to find another way to accomplish the same thing -- _so,_ they returned to having the uniform top as a whole display the Division color. But, by that point, everybody in Starfleet was so accustomed to the Monster Maroon that, rather than return Command Division to gold, they assigned that color to Operations Division.

@cernstormrunner7263 10 месяцев назад

3:53 those actually look pretty great.

@night6724 3 месяца назад

I think he meant Star Trek Motion Picture uniforms but for some reason showed STII and onward which are one of the best uniforms. But TMP uniforms were awful besides Kirk’s white and blue suit

@paristhalheimer 10 месяцев назад

My observations as a retired Non Commissioned Officer in the US Army. 1. Each branch of the Army has its own branch colors. Burgundy and White for Medical, Light blue for Infantry, and Buff and blue for the Quarter Master. 2. The U.S. Army regularly changes their uniform designs. I've had 2 different field uniforms, 2 or 3 different physical fitness uniforms, and 2 different dress uniforms.

@Isaacisaperson4677 2 месяца назад

And that's in the span of at most a few decades. Uniforms would very much change drastically over 80 years

@rollout1984 Месяц назад

The navy isn't much better.

@RicktheCrofter 10 месяцев назад

Uniforms constantly changed from show to show because one does not win an Emmy for costume design by using somebody else’s costume design.

@baronvg 10 месяцев назад

When I watched TNG as a kid, the “gold” ALWAYS looked green to me. In fact, I always just assumed it was green up until the 90s when I found out they were GOLD!! 😆

@davemiller6055 10 месяцев назад

The wrap around shirt was made for Shatner because he tended to gain weight between seasons. It was made to be adjustable so he could fit into it while he slimmed down until he could wear the gold shirts again.

@Todd.P 8 месяцев назад

Captains should wear GOLD! Photo at the 3:54 mark is PERFECT!

@odysseusrex5908 10 месяцев назад

3:53 Dang, those uniforms are gorgeous! I take it those were an early concept for Wrath of Khan. I wonder why they went to the all red ones?

@ronaldmalcolm5609 10 месяцев назад

The TOS tunics weren't gold--they were light avocado. Costume designer William Ware Theiss confirmed it himself. Next, the colors were for division, not rank. You saw admirals wearing red, but so did security officers. The writer needs better research.

@bostonrailfan2427 10 месяцев назад

this has been on record by the producers as being entirely due to the movies causing the change: red for command was chosen to continue the use if red, it wasn’t a big deal to anyone except nitpicking “fans” trying to make an issue out of it

@windsonma8209 Год назад

We already learned how Android turned out after Data's Sacrifice in The First Season of Picard. But what about Holographic Rights for Holograms just like The Doctor after when the USS Voyager Finally Arrived home?

@Yamsthenills 10 месяцев назад

It's an important question, but unfortunately the strong likelihood is that the lot of holograms in the current canon is even worse than that of androids. The Federation gets almost superstitious about opening certain cans of worms, and they're even less ready to deal with the question of reprogrammable, purely software-based sentience than they are to deal with genetic engineering, which is still a taboo they go downright cro-magnon about most of the time.

@rananite 10 месяцев назад

My headcanon for the switch is that once the “redshirts” got a reputation for dying prematurely in the line of duty, Starfleet couldn’t get enough new recruits in the engineering and security divisions… so during the movie years, Starfleet tried to dispel that reputation by making _everyone_ wear red (maroon). Unfortunately, Admiral Kirk got too many of his cadets-in-red killed with his stupid decision not to raise shields during his encounter with Khan, so the superstition against red uniforms lingered. Finally Starfleet reintroduced division colors and put the “red = death” superstition to rest by having the redshirts wear yellow instead. Problem solved.

@amethyst7084 10 месяцев назад

It always fascinated me how the really colourful uniforms of the original series, were followed by the buff/soft colours of the 1979 Motion Picture, and then the more formal red outer uniforms of Star Treks II to Star Trek: Generations (which also featured in some TNG episodes), before the classic TNG uniforms appeared. The uniforms of series 3 to 7 of TNG (i.e. not the spandex ones) were the best modern uniforms of Trek; better than DS9, Voyager, and Discovery. Mind you, the uniforms of First Contact (and following movies) and Enterprise, were good ones too.

@Yamsthenills 10 месяцев назад

It made a natural sort of sense to keep command in red after they moved on from the Maroons-- to 80 years of officers, cadets, and citizens, red just WAS Starfleet color, so it made sense to keep it for command and logistics. Then they just reached back into history for the other two-- it's just cleaner than trying to pick two new ones from the slew of less traditional shades they'd used as division colors during the Maroon era.

@bostonrailfan2427 10 месяцев назад

not reaching back, blue and gold was in use as you see on Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, and Scottie…their turtlenecks are blue or gold with McCoy having the oddball color of green(but not really, it’s the US Army Medical Department corps color)

@Yamsthenills 10 месяцев назад

@@bostonrailfan2427 Those colors will still there but the divisions themselves had been given more branches and sub-specialties with their own colors or shades, on top of the Command green/yellow/gold and Science blue/light blue/white discrepancies from the original series and the pre-maroon TMP-era mundane jumpsuit colors. Retcon in stuff like the gold/silver/bronze ops badges for distinction over the blue Disco-era uniforms, and it gets even more confused/inconstant from the point of view of the starfleet officers living in that era; to them, the last time starfleet had a system as ACTUALLY simple and iconic as three divisions, rbg, and no subdivision colors might well actually have been the NX-01 era.

@bostonrailfan2427 10 месяцев назад

@@Yamsthenills none of what you said had anything to do with bringing back the three TOS division colors

@Yamsthenills 10 месяцев назад

@@bostonrailfan2427 Then I'll say again, with emphasis, there were more than three division colors in the TOS era. Command and medical had two apiece AT LEAST, and that's before we get into retcons that come with SNW being set before/during that era.

@TubbysExplorationsYT 10 месяцев назад

I'd always assumed the color change took place so that the viewer couldn't easily predict which members of the landing party would die first. 🤣

@harcomou8395 11 месяцев назад

Oh, by the way: The wraparound was a true lime-green and much greener than the standard command-colour "chartreuse" (50% gold/yellow and 50% green), because they wanted the audience being able to differ "good Kirk" from "bad Kirk". I have seen an original wraparound side by side by a Standard command tunic. Only one was really a green green (with a hint of yellow though), being the wraparound, and the other was a 50/50. The camera and lights took away a lot of the green hint though, but to the real eye it was not a green. More like a greengold, or goldgreen. Chartreuse. Cheers

@timesthree5757 10 месяцев назад

So green and gold.

@harcomou8395 10 месяцев назад

@@timesthree5757 exactly

@GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture 10 месяцев назад

The wraparound was to hide Shatner’s gut.

@sonnysantana5454 10 месяцев назад

@@timesthree5757 , or military OD olive drab

@harcomou8395 10 месяцев назад

@@sonnysantana5454 Nah.

@Awestefeld6612 10 месяцев назад

I think that the colors changed because of the movies where everyone wore red.

@RialVestro 10 месяцев назад

There was an episode of Deep Space Nine where they addressed the color change when one of the crew put on the wrong color uniform and questioned why the captain was wearing gold. They never explain why the colors were changed but do address when the colors where changed in universe. They also mentioned the TOS Klingons in the same episode again never actually explaining it, Worf just says "We don't like to talk about it."

@stevenserna910 10 месяцев назад

Stat Trek Enterprise later goes in-to explain the Klingons appearance in this story-arc episode. "The Augments". It had to do with DNA sequencing, a mutated plauge, and espionage. It was a Klingon tech idea that Section 31 had a hand in, but ended up being a horrible regret, and the reason why the Federation later banned augmented DNA manipulation.

@KennAKALeo 10 месяцев назад

The real question is "why did Starfleet use sandy beige for security and engineering" ("The Cage"), switch to red ("Star Trek: Strange New Worlds"), back to sandy beige ("Where No Man Has Gone before"), and then back to red (the rest of the original series.)

@RetroTom1701 10 месяцев назад

Strange new Worlds is in Kurtzman's reboot universe & has no connection to canon Trek other then reusing some names

@zomfragger 10 месяцев назад

The swap was because Roddenberry wanted to dispel the myth about characters in red shirts. But that didn't pan out.

@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 10 месяцев назад

Jedzia Dax: "and the women wore less" Trouble with Tribbles DS9 redux!

@masere Год назад

Never mind the swapping of colours, it's very odd that Starfleet had all blue jumpsuits (Enterprise), then went to the TOS 3 colours, then to the horrendous TMP beige, then to the red subsequent movie uniforms, then back to 3 colours but swapped round (TNG). That's not forgetting the horrendous DS9/Voyager uniforms with that horrible purple bit. Then another change to the fantastic First Contact onwards grey and black.

@OllamhDrab 10 месяцев назад

I think they just used a heather grey and the purpley tone to that came out on TV sets like that.

@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh 10 месяцев назад

in head canon, the dominant color of starfleet uniforms was likely red. Most people fell into that security, engineering, support, administration division. With a momentary hiccup that was Star Trek the motion picture, the red color became the dominant color again but with a colored clasp over the shoulder and around one wrist to show the division color. that was a very popular uniform and from then on command and admiralty wore that color, I do not equate the mustard of the uniforms next gen or after with the color of the old command uniforms. I think that it is a brand new color to be the farthest from blue or red.

@sgttau977 10 месяцев назад

Glad that Green didn't stick.

@78.BANDIT 10 месяцев назад

The BLUE color uniforms started looking Green.

@shadesofslay Год назад

A new star trek channel - awesome! There’s not THAT many doing Star Trek lore. Lots of great topics to cover, intrigued to see where you go with it.

@federationoutpost Год назад

Thanks! Excited to get back to it! :)

@shadesofslay Год назад

@@federationoutpost brill - I subbed btw!

@csciabar Год назад

The monster maroon to command red is a natural change. All the admirals and captains were already in red. However the maroons had way too many details to quickly recognize what the meaning behind the colors and insignia actually meant.

@OllamhDrab 10 месяцев назад

And it also had Scotty/Engineering in gold when they had all those different colors in monster maroons, and the captains etc at the top had 'command white.' At a guess when they resimplified the uniforms that assignment stuck and like the medical green didn't. I'm guessing the blue didn't make a very nice combo with the maroon for anyone. :)

@bostonrailfan2427 10 месяцев назад

⁠@@OllamhDrabnot just Scottie, Sulu as well is wearing the gold color

@keithmohrhoff7443 3 месяца назад

In Star Trek TOS, the different colored shirts represent departments or areas of responsibility and were inspired by the way different crews worked on the decks of aircraft carriers. This system ensures that the different crews (aircraft handler, fueler, ordinance, etc.) don’t get in each other’s way by making sure one crew is working on the flight deck at a time. On a starship, the different colors allow the professional areas of responsibility to be recognized instantly and also to instantly recognize personnel who are out of place. For instance, a red shirt in a science lab or a blue shirt in the engineering or security areas, a reasonable person might ask, ‘What’s he/she doing there?’

@frednone 10 месяцев назад

Nonsense, the reason they switched from gold to red is the bad guys figured out shooting at the gold guys was pointless, so the Security Secretion insisted on switching with command so they would stop getting shot at.

@DeMan300 10 месяцев назад

You're forgetting to mention in deep space 9 they travel back in time and the episode is called trials and tribbel-ations. Sisko mentions that the command wore the gold color and not the red back then. Making it a starfleet decision.

@jayb8934 10 месяцев назад

Well, obviously it was a starfleet decision in-universe. We just never learn why.

@DeMan300 10 месяцев назад

@@jayb8934 The death toll of people and red shirt was too high so they switched to colors.

@colinconnolly892 3 месяца назад

I don’t recall which episode it was, but in TOS one time Uhura wore a gold uniform. Which baffled me

@darrinwebber4077 8 месяцев назад

As canon.. The changes are easy to explain. In TNG, the character Ensign Ro wore an earring...And Worf wore his Klingon sash... Neither are standard. So, It can be said...That as long as a Starfleet uniform meets certain regulations... It can be any color the wearer wishes. Provided it does not display something the wearer has not earned. For example, the rank markers.

@willanderson716 9 месяцев назад

I thought in universe security with red shirts had a bad reputation of getting killed on away missions. So Command made the Color change to Red for Command and Gold for Security and Engineering.

@Cmb351 Год назад

Good job!

@federationoutpost Год назад

Thanks 🖖😊

@johnpittsii7524 Год назад

Thanks for the breakdown

@federationoutpost Год назад

No problem 👍

@walteradrianmoyano3054 Год назад

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@georgepierson4920 10 месяцев назад

3:54 The Blue does not look bad.

@chrisharknessdcfan Год назад

I like the colors from generation and on the best

@frankm.2850 10 месяцев назад

Where is the picture of the monster maroon uniform in division colors from? I’ve never seen it before.

@cambellschunky704 Год назад

I think red would have denoted 'operations' in TOS.

@filthycasual8187 10 месяцев назад

It did. Operations = engineering and security.

@IanG2120 Год назад

Colours have and had no bearing on rank.

@stevenserna910 10 месяцев назад

The actual non universe reason had to do with studio budgets and different directors design wants. When time passes, tech changes and the public wants bigger, better, bolder colors, patterns, etc. Actors also have their own peccadilloes. If Starfleet is to be based in reality by present world uniform services... The current uniformed branches of the military (the Marines being the exception) are currently undergoing a uniforms redesign as well. Army, Navy, Air Force, & Space Force are experimenting. Army is going back to "WW2 pinks n' greens", Air Force is going back to the 70's style scalloped jacket, Navy's trying to get rid of current service working dress, for an everyday service uniform, w/o overloading the sailors sea-bag, and Space Force is trying to, "not look like" Buck Rodgers, nor Battlestar Galactica.

@threetythreepercent 10 месяцев назад

Data is a Lieutenant Commander, so his rank would be shortened to “commander” rather than “lieutenant.”

@federationoutpost 10 месяцев назад

Yes I am aware and just made a frustrating mistake 🙃🖖

@aguideto....8738 10 месяцев назад

I’ve always thought there should be more. Split security (black?) from engineering. Split medical from science!! (Green?)

@LSOK38 10 месяцев назад

Red shirts actually stood for "ship's services" which would include engineering, communications, security, and others.

@davemiller6055 10 месяцев назад

The colors do not represent rank. They represent the job area. Rank is denoted by the stripes on sleeves in TOS and collar pips in TNG.

@darkyno6138 11 месяцев назад

By Next Gen, everyone's uniforms were made by replicators, with changes distributed digitally and adapted instantly with little expense. This allowed uniform designers to change up the uniform design a lot more often than our real world militaries can, as their uniforms require thousands of people making and distributing uniforms. Very expensive.

@georgejones8784 10 месяцев назад

I always assumed the tunic colour in TOS varied with the insignia. Command had a star inside, while sciences has a globe. I don't recall the others, and my Technical Manual is too far away.

@filthycasual8187 10 месяцев назад

Operations had a swirl and medical had a cross. That's about it.

@bostonrailfan2427 10 месяцев назад

@@filthycasual8187there was another operations insignia, only seen in a single episode, that was a square with a chunk taken out leaving a C shape…

@PaladinesAngel Месяц назад

The maroon colour just looks more imposing

@wompa70 10 месяцев назад

If it was real life, everyone would wear the same uniform. Or close to it. The "office worker" uniform would be different than the "bowels of the ship" uniform.

@Gerry1of1 Месяц назад

The reason they switched command from gold to red is because Rodenberry didn't like all the 'Red-Shirt' jokes.

@Davidsladky135 10 месяцев назад

I think a slide got missed, the TMP uniforms were never shown

@donkique956 8 месяцев назад

I want to know more details about the colors and uniforms!

@loadingerror479 3 месяца назад

As with any division, the rank wouldn’t have anything to do with the color. You can have any rank in any division. Spock was second in command yet medical. So color really didn’t matter.

@nicholasregan6526 10 месяцев назад

I always thought it was because sir patrick stewart doesn't look good in yellow LOL

@Samtheman85844 21 день назад

Good video.

@federationoutpost 19 дней назад

Thanks 🙌

@Unikladhalo 6 месяцев назад

Good luck with the trading cards, but I think I’ll stick with good old internet delivered info.

@universopangea5 10 месяцев назад

I would like to make a Star Trek cosplay, with the uniform of the SNW series. I am a computer programmer, what color would my uniform be, blue or red?

@laercioferreira7243 9 месяцев назад

Gold uniform, considering that Lt. Barkley and Dr Zimmerman were holo programmers on the show.

@universopangea5 9 месяцев назад

@@laercioferreira7243 Thank you!

@laercioferreira7243 9 месяцев назад

@@universopangea5 Oh sorry, if you're talking about Strange New Worlds (TOS era) that would be the red uniform.

@universopangea5 9 месяцев назад

@@laercioferreira7243 Perfect.

@wyldelf2685 10 месяцев назад

Picard needs Green n black onesie as homage to kirks Green Captain shirt , , green helps denote command better imho , 😸👍👍

@scottandrewhutchins 10 месяцев назад

Why did you show the later films when talking about Star Trek: The Motion Picture?

@federationoutpost 10 месяцев назад

Just talking about the costumes and their changes :)

@scottandrewhutchins 10 месяцев назад

@@federationoutpost It probably would have been appropriate to show the costumes in that film.

@RicktheCrofter 10 месяцев назад

Rank was not demonstrated by uniform color.

@Gerry1of1 Месяц назад

No, ranks were not distinguished by the colour of their shirts. The colour designates the persons area of expertise. Blue is medical/science while gold is Command/Admin and red is Engineering/any-other-thing-the-writers-thought-up. Medical can be a Captain and so can any other of the specialties. Rank is the stripes on the sleeve.

@JasonFightsCrime 10 месяцев назад

We all know they're based on the US Navy because they're on a ship led by a captain? Is there a navy or shipping line that doesn't have captains running ships. Also, colors don't differentiate rank.

@KenronTheGamer 3 месяца назад

The 2280's uniforms were the best.

@McMahonHater 10 месяцев назад

How about Picard's lack of masculinity? Can you explain that?

@mem1701movies 10 месяцев назад

TOS GOLD shirts were actually GREEN

@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 10 месяцев назад

Frakes in yellow would have looked...well, for lack of a better word: Gay. Spiner in Red would have made him look like a stereotypical homicidal robot. Worf could swing either way, as did Geordie (and no it's not because they were black...jfc, it was because they just looked good in anything!) Troi hated Starfleet regs and would wear whatever was more comfortable, unless she was placed in command after her promotion. Wesley Crusher's outfits were what I styled myself after when I was 8-12 years old, and I was growing up in the late 1980s-early 90s after all. Also, fun fact... despite redshirts being the term for disposable characters on the Enterprise, blue and yellow shirts died in more numbers combined, especially the women. 😢

@federationoutpost 10 месяцев назад

Niiice. Did you have all the Wesley Crusher style sweatshirts? He had some very interesting ones early on 😅

@bostonrailfan2427 10 месяцев назад

…never estched the ehow, have you? Worf and Geordi wore red the first season, Data wore red in the Chain of Command two-parter, Riker wore gold in the infamous transporter duplicate episode…

@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 10 месяцев назад

@@bostonrailfan2427 uhh, yeah, and that's why I said Worf and Geordie could wear either red or yellow, I know they both did first season... I watched when it originally aired when I was 7 years old. Pay attention! And yeah I almost forgot about the Riker duplicate...and he got to keep the trombone!

@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 10 месяцев назад

@@federationoutpost I wore a lot of 1980a style sweatshirts trying to be like Wesley 🤫

@bostonrailfan2427 10 месяцев назад

@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 none of what you said actually fit what anyone who actual watched the show would say so nice try, you’re talking out if your anus

@jenniferbrooks2540 10 месяцев назад

they changed in wrath of khan because shatners girth and refusal to diet. same thing in NG after season one they lost the one piece .

@corywilliams2255 3 месяца назад

The colors of the uniforms did not denote rank; they denoted department.

@mathewweeks9069 10 месяцев назад

Your awesome

@borusa32 10 месяцев назад

The Wrath of Khan uniforms make the most sense in universe.

@leftcoaster67 10 месяцев назад

As boring and meh as they are. Enterprise makes the most sense. Basically blue jumpsuits. Lots of free movement. Comfortable to work in. The Red movie uniforms, look more like uniforms, but would be a pain in the butt if there's an emergency.

@rollout1984 Месяц назад

Just look at all the US navy uniform changes over the past 100 years and it won't seem so drastic.

@LSOK38 10 месяцев назад

Because red shirts kept dying?

@ajgibson1307 10 месяцев назад

God bless

@jamesmacleod9382 10 месяцев назад

Star Fleet politics baby

@harcomou8395 11 месяцев назад

3:01 "Lieutenant Data'" ? Do your homework, dude.

@federationoutpost 11 месяцев назад

Lieutenant Commander Data? That what you were after?

@harcomou8395 11 месяцев назад

@@federationoutpostAffirmative. While Lieutenant junior grades (21st century paygrade O2) and Lieutenants (O3) are being called "Lieutenant", Lieutenant Commanders (O4) and Commanders (O5) are adressed as "Commander". Data held this rank from Encounter at Farpoint TNG S01E01 through ST NEM. His rank insignia of Lt j.g. in All good things was a mistake by the wardrobe-department. Data was always "Commander Data" or, more formal, Lieutenant Commander Data. He so deserved being promoted to full Commander and XO of the E-E. It never came to be. So please at least do not demote him to a Lieutenant. 🖖🏻 LLAP

@psnitkin4059 10 месяцев назад

There is so much wrong with this video. First off, color does not denote rank. That's on the cuffs (TOS) or pips (TNG). TOS, red was Ship Operations, which does include Communications, Engineering, and Security (among others). There is nothing confusing about that, as they are all operations divisions.

@samsignorelli 10 месяцев назад

The ranks were not defined by uniform colors....that's what the stripes on the sleeves were for. The colors were for different DEPARTMENTS. Hard to take you seriously when you foil up VERY basic info like this that has been known since 1966. Research much???

@sonnysantana5454 10 месяцев назад

no explanation needed original simple cool easy , next gen very lame and sad