Why Did The Police Ditch .40 Cal? 

No one is arguing that the .40SW isn't more powerful, it's just that it's not more powerful enough to justify the increased recoil/lower capacity.

@@oskar6661 I have a Sig In .40 S&W, which Sig does not make.40 S&W any more, that I have modified to hold 15-rounds with one in the chamber.

That depends on who's shooting. @@oskar6661

​@@christophersanders500715+1 is the standard

@@oskar6661 the recoil between 40 Smith & Wesson and 9 mm is negligible. If you can shoot a nine accurately you can shoot a 40 accurately and if you believe you can’t, it’s all in your head I went from 40 to 10 mm and the recoil from 40 to 10 is also marginal.

Yup finally some truth

Bingo.

Quota hires.

Dog whistling much, just say whats on your mind

@@oyose I think it's pretty obvious what he said

Yep lol

Exactly

Lmao

Lmao

Well… yes

Sooooo Agree!!!😃

You can have all you want.

I have yet to find all these cheap .40 pistols I was promised.

Absolutely got a box for 14 bucks

Me too 😂😂

Popping paper at 7 yards in a bunker just doesn't get much training done (unfortunately that's all that's available to way too many of us). How does that prepare anyone for all the unique and wild and unpredictable stuff people would face in real defensive situation? You have to go to more specialized training that puts on pressure, rises adrenaline, produces moving targets, makes the user mobile, increases perception, and puts the user in any number of less optimal postures for addressing threats. It's like people who lay on a concrete bench to sight in their hunting rifle, and then the actual hunt has them hundreds of miles away from anything like a bench to shoot from.

Thanks for sharing your experience, Sir.

100% correct sir

Many went back to 9mm to to diminutive size of many new Rookies

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They did say that

Exactly they couldn't handle it

Basically for small handed recruits.

They use the same logic pushing 380ccc modern SD loads!

Going to the 9mm for police work? Really? What makes the 9mm "superior" to the .40 makes the .32 auto even MORE Superior. Tallk about hi cappy mags! Talk about low recoil!

That is actually also true

Nah. The recoil of the 40 is barely more than the 9. It had more to do with money. 9mm is cheaper and less pressure which means less wear on the firearm.

Correction; because the “women” were having a hard time qualifying with the 40.

Qualification standards haven't changed while the guns and ammunition have. Adjustments to instruction could also help .

Qualifications changed a bunch, actually. I can think of 4 different quals in the past 25 years. Plus, lots of factors influencing the final decision. Cost, accuracy, recoil management would all come into play. However, that's all different from the science of 9mm performance. The barrier blind ammo tests speak for themselves. As for everything else, remember that the B comes before the I in FBI.

I just think we need to get a more popular pistol caliber that isnt hitlers 9mm

​@@TheAnnoyingBossWell it's actually from 1908. Luger P08.

In the same size weapon it's preposterous to say the 9mm is superior to a .40 S&W, except in round count. I'm currently carrying a Sig P365 but at any point I may go back to my Glock G27 or even my Colt Defender. The one thing about being retired is that no one can tell me what to carry anymore.

I like 9mm, the options and the fact that it is more easy to control the firearm- for me.

They came up with a good in-between that leaves 9mm in the dust, but it just didn't catch on - the .357 Sig.

And then the technology improved and ballistically a proper 9mm round like critical duty performs better than the .40

.A lot of females in the military had the same issue. This and for males of slight stature the Army and Navy kept .38 revolvers in inventory well into the 80's. Then the 92 series came out and they got away from that. For a while, Army CID carries the Sig well before the rest of the gov did. I never heard an answer to that that I liked, but it was said smaller diameter on the grip of the Sig vs Beretta.

Having been a LE Firearms Instructor for over 40 years (State / Federal) I can attest to the FACT that the reason LE agencies have switched back to the 9mm is because the Female and smaller Male recruits have a harder time adjusting to the "snappy" recoil of the.40. There is NO debate that the .40 is more powerful than the 9mm even in the best 9mm round design (124 grain Speer Gold Dot JHP) but that power comes with a price, RECOIL! The 9mm is very effective in the right load, but do not fool yourself into thinking or believing that it is as powerful as the .40. FACTS show it is not.

That's the truth!!!!!!!

In 1986 the 9mm round of choice was the Winchester 115 gr silver tip. It was replaced several years later by the 147 gr black talon.

exactly!

He sure did. LOVE that guy... no bs talk, he always turn up with great proof behind what he says.

Meh. If the FBI agents had all been using MP5s or M-16s, or even just Magnum revolvers, and all wearing heavy body armor, it would have turned out much differently.

potentially. The problem with the Miami shootout wasnt that the 9mm was underpowered. its that the majority of the shots they actually landed on the perps werent deadly shots. swap out their loads to .40 and youre still dealing with a guy getting shot mostly in the arms and legs, capable of returning fire. The ONLY shot worth anything that fight was the one that lunged the guy and even THAT had to penetrate and arm before getting through the body the long way. the 40 would have done the same but not any faster.

Which video?

😂😂

Great point 😂😂😂

Sr40c for 7yrs now ✌🏿

Still have my Glock 22 after 20 years. Was my duty weapon.

John Moses Browning agreed

@@ryanjordan7268 G22 was my duty weapon for 15 years between 1992 and 2007. I also have the G23 4th Gen and the G22 5th Gen, both of which I carry on a daily basis.

Sissy girls lol

Limp wrist? My G22 is pretty accurate if I do my part😀

@@Piccard_IamYourMother Bingo, quota hiring!

Bingo.

The Holy Grail Answer.

So why not let the male agents carry the 10 mm and the females carry the 40?

Of the eight agents at the scene, two had Remington 870 shotguns in their vehicles (McNeill and Mireles), three were armed with Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm semi-automatic pistols (Dove, Grogan, and Risner), and the rest (six) were armed with Smith & Wesson revolvers; two had .357 Magnums and five had .38 Specials. Two of the agents had backup .38 Special revolvers (Hanlon and Risner); both would use them at some point during the fight.

@@AleisterCrowly2 I believe they did allow agents to carry their personal 10MM if they wished to.

@@AleisterCrowly2 For the same reason the general issue ammo/pistol combination in the military is the same across the board (save for certain Special Forces applications) for male and female service members. Commonality. It is far easier for ANY supply system to provide ammo and weapons to soldiers (or Law Enforcement personnel) if EVERYBODY is carrying the same weapon chambered for the same caliber. Michael Schaffer hit on a solid piece of firearms history above. What few people know, or if they do know tend to gloss over it, is that fewer and fewer men entering into law enforcement have any real experience with firearms of any kind unless they served in the military and even then, most Service Members, like most LEOs, only fire their issued weapons when required to for qualification on a range. The 9mm needs all the help it can get from hot loads and "magic bullets" to get off its knees as a defensive round. By the way I do, on occasion, pick up a box of the plastic tip stuff for my pistols but I don't trust them to expand and utilize them as range ammo and reload the brass afterwards. And don't get me started on how little faith I have in the plastic tipped rifle (hunting) ammo.

40 Short & Weak.

I'm retired as well and luckily my agency resisted any temptation to go to 9mm's. When we traded in our revolvers for sem-autos we went straight to the G22, and after 15 years we went to the G37 45 GAP's, which we carried for 12 years until settling on the G21 45 ACP in 2019. To a man our agency wanted nothing to do with 9mm's. In retirement I carry either my G23 4th Gen .40, G22 5th Gen .40, or G31 357 Sig.

It also think it had to do with lack of training on the 40cal

The Glock 29 is a VERY underrated handgun. I have over 12,000 rounds through the two I’ve had. I broke the locking block in half on the first one from a steady diet of hot hand loads. I have a new one now. I carry it occasionally, but usually a CZ P-07. The G29 is the best woods gun in the game. If it were a little thinner, I might carry it daily.

". The actual translation was 9MM ammo is significantly cheaper than 40 S&W ammo is." TRUTH SPOKEN!!!

The beancounters showed the administration that the 9 mm was cheaper so it was a done deal.

Same thing happened during the 2008 elections ... the availability is what made me choose my first pistol in .40s&w The best gun is the one you shoot well, and having lots of ammo to train with helps you achieve that.

I prefer M&P 2.0 in 40sw and 357sig. However; the gen 5 40sw sport a thicker and heavier slide and I believe they went up to an 18lb. recoil spring. Have you owned/shot previous gen. 22,23,or27s? Could you confirm better recoil impulse from the gen.5 40sw Glocks?

@@almaadams3631 Yes, the recoil is nicer out of the Gen5 models 22, 23 and 27’s becasue the slide is thicker and heavier. I’m not sure about the recoil spring going up to 18#’s. Factory is 17 # for older generations, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they bumped it up a pound.

@@almaadams3631 I own a 4th Gen G23 and a 5th Gen G22, I also had a 2nd Gen G22 as my Duty weapon for 15 years. I can confirm that the 5th Gen G22 has much better recoil impulse. It is an amazing firearm to shoot, it feels like you're shooting a 9mm. During the winter it is my main EDC, I also like carrying my G31 as well during the winter months, but in the summer I switch back to my G23.

I carry 40s&w in the critical duty, same exact amount they claim is the greater ammo for the 9mm. So dose that mean I'm now carrying the better ammo 😂

I had the G23 Gen 4 and it was a big difference going to the Gen 4 G23. It shoot's quite a bit nicer, that is the truth. I love it. Gen 4 I never quite got along with. Gen 5 I absolutely love. @@almaadams3631

Recoil, capacity, price and availability don't count as measures? Boom roasted.

I wouldn’t bet my children’s lives on a 9mm. You need to trust me on this one.

@@levis3131 Availability? Everytime there is a run on ammo, 40 is very abundant.

@@mmabagain nothing is more abundant than 9mm. I made a very broad point and u picked at a detail. Don't be a wise guy

That isn’t correct sir. I first hand sat in a class and listened to a lecture where FBI’s 9mm surpassing .40 and .45 calibers on ballistic performance.

Please expand on that. We're all curious.

@@Suitandtieoperator please expand.

@@Suitandtieoperator for the job the FBI wants to do. i may not want to do that job. as a lefty who can't stand or hit well with a glock i stick with my .357mag mix of cor bon power ball and 110-125 gn JHP. because i will double tap that and the JHP will go into a small block chevy 350. because yes i shot one i blew up a engine so i tested.

@@Suitandtieoperator when you start with an end goal in mind you can run tests that favor particular metrics. The studies I’ve seen are favoring faster over heavier rounds. However, the real world tests I’ve seen show better penetration and much higher cavitation inside the body with heavier rounds such as the .40, .45 & 10mm.

Thank you!!

"muh stopping powa!!" lmao, number one coping phrase from you guys

@@OfficialFedHater If you're intention is killing someone, that's up to you. The rest of us might be interested in stopping the threat. If a bullet smashing into someone and stopping their evil intentions isn't "STOPPING POWER" then pray-tell, what is it, exactly?

@@OfficialFedHater Isn't past your bedtime? Maybe you still have Comcast cable and CNN brainwashing hour before bed.

@@almaadams3631 Your wife's boyfriend let you use his phone or something?

Not compared to Federal Hst 9mm or Hornady Critical Duty

@@amarbesic_ This statement doesn’t disprove my point. Plus Hornady also makes a .40 Critical Duty round.

@@coderexe30 So you would suggest a 40 and 45 over a 9mm he said in the video that a 9mm Hornady still is better in testing then any 40 or 45 Hollow

That's the one that ended it... But it had a lot of help to prior to arriving at that guy's final destination.

How does G2 RIP compare to your HCD rounds?

Though it was the shotgun blast from the wounded officer?

@@Macc0384 it was

Bingo. Just like the 5.56. Easier to shoot, required less "skill". Cheaper and much more rounds could be carried around. Suppressive fire was a major plus here, NOT necessarily killing.

That’s interesting! I love my G22

Since you are in the military, can you tell me if anyone still uses the green tip SS109 5.56 ammo? What type of soldier or gun would primarily use it? For example, would it be used more in heavy machineguns instead of M4's or M16's? Thanks

@@SadShane , The M855A1, a 5.56 mm Ball ammunition, is an enhanced performance round for today's combat and training environments. It works with the M4 Carbine, the M249 machine gun, and the H&K and M16A2 rifles.

@@ryanjordan7268 You are right and I had a hard time wording my question properly. I don't think most soldiers shoot the green tip 5.56 ammo in their M4's & M16's from the few that I have talked to. Maybe it's just dependant on what their bases' Amory has supply of that determines the type of rifle ammo they get issued. Were you ever issued the green tip ammo? What kind of rifle were you shooting it with? Were all of your magazines at that time filled up with the green tip or did you have a mixture of the 2 kinds? I really appreciate your help. Thanks!

@Shane , We were issued regular ball type ammo in the Stan in 2006. Green tips are designed to go through body armor, light vehicles, and walls. I don't know what they are issued for currently.

It's a great cartridge. But it's not like .45acp was somehow substandard to begin with.

ya alot of people still refuse to accept the science and adapt to 9mm, but that's in every thing. 40cal is just not useful when you can have 25 +p+ 9mm instead of 11-12 40. if you carry a 40, its like those that still have flip phones.

@@tilled6695 Tell it to the Germans

Because lack of funds Michigan is behind the times DUH 😂😂😂😂

🤣🤣🤣 I didn’t no that dr, fauchie was a ballistic expert, if you don’t believe the science, you are a science denier, believe the science 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@tilled6695 loser

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Yeah, require membership in a bowling league. Improves overall fitness and balance and especially grip and wrist strength. 🤔🤓🍻

And our involvement in the war on terror and NATO during that time. The rest of the limp wristed world adored the 9mm, and we let ourselves be cucked.

Lol 😂😂😂

Couldn’t have said it better myself

My 10mm is for the hoods also

@@reekgoesoutside I bet you can't wait to use your 10mm on a black guy in the hood

@@marleycap6000 is that you Rev. Al Roker?

I carry a sig sauer sp2022 40 caliber. 10 rounds capacity with extra mag. I’m capable with the recoil because I’m used to 45 caliber. I love that gun and it bangs all the time. Aloha

I have NO plans of ditching my 40...

My carry is a PX4 subcompact in .40sw. Little snappy, but a good gun.

It's a nice snap. Ruger P94. I'll never sell it.

HK VP40. I really like the paddle mag release. Wish I could have it on all my pistols.(which were tragically lost in a boating accident).

Define "works great".

He even said he’s recalling this through conversations with colleagues and lectures. What an idiot he is.

Yeah, he is high😂

I don't see the 40 being snappier as you stated. The recoil impulse actually seems snappier with the 9mm. It seems the powder used in most 40 caliber loadings is slower burning, resulting in more of a push than snap. That's the best way I can describe it.

This guy is absolutely correct.

Energy is not a wounding mechanism.

That’s what I carry for self defense. Interesting.

@@wavyybased1820 not the same silver tip today as back in the day.

@@wavyybased1820 And honestly, for most average citizens, I'm thinking that's just fine.

With NO backup pistol. Because a 3909 doesn't jam, until it does!

@@mikehenthorn1778 actually it is the same lol

Word on the street is that the 1986 iteration of the 9mm 115gr Winchester Silvertip JHP was used in the MIami Dade FBI shootout. FMJ would not have stopped short. Oh, and the Hornady polymer tip addresses the issue of clogging, which frequently resulted in impaired expansion and overpenetration in older JHP designs. The polymer tip allows for more consistent expansion and penetration. The Hornady Critical Duty is able to achieve higher performance through barriers due to the polymer tip, a less malleable lead core formulation, and a bullet that doesn’t readily shed its jacket. For the average person the Speer Gold Dot and Federal HST are worth a hard look especially when you can find them in 50ct LE packaging.

Brian, I logged onto my phone to make this comment after watching this video on my tv. These guys could have at least read a Wikipedia article for research. The idea that people were carrying FMJs in the 1980s, left me shaking my head.

​@@timblizzard4226please don't mention Wikipedia when backing up an argument.

Will never jump on the 9mm Bandwagon!!!😂

They are meeting hiring quotas rather than hiring the best for the job. So of course, they have to lower the bar for their personnel.

It's more like a hammer and hammer with another ounce on it, but okay.

9mm is good for practice imo. However, a 40 will rip apart anything. I own a 9mm and 45acp (love the 45), but 40 is better than either imo.

9mm is awesome if you don't leave your MP5 in the trunk of another car....

I’ve shot all and unless I’m using some short super concealable pistol with some hotter loads I can’t really tell the difference enough for it to matter. Even when it comes to shooting accurately or follow up shots. It really helps when people shoot these guns over and over vs a 1 year qualification after they get out of their initial training. You can adjust to recoil even if you’re a smaller or weaker person if you spend enough time on that gun.

Is the 40 snappier than the 45 though ? I’m limited to 10 rounds so really want the best stopping power round

Truth😂

Yeah, why practice when you can send more un-aimed lead down range? Good job, LEOs, good job.

@@francavablevast majority of officers are basically barely gun literate and only train when required. Baffling

The FBI is corrupt and needs to be disbanded.

LMAO

Exactly -when compared apples to apples the .40 wins

I thought Kaya said they did do those studies and that the 9mm still came out higher.

@@EricT3769 people can say anything. Doesn’t make it true.

357 sig is a monster. But .40s&w is a great round and cheaper.

I believe the Secret Service uses .357 Sig.

@@vikramgupta2326That would make sense to me. In their role of VIP protective services most often their scenarios would be in situations around vehicles so if there is indeed an advantage to that round in being able to engage targets taking cover in and around vehicles then they'd definitely want that capability.

I thought he was Ben Stiller

That's true

NOW you've gotten much closer to the motivation behind the caliber debate.

Same here.

Same here , Glock 23 for me !

This is the comparison we want!! New tech VS New tech

@@hankgraves2272Tactical Rifleman did such a video a few months ago but there’s a lot of factors to consider other than just terminal performance.

they have it in 9mm as well

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It’s available in 124+P, 135 & 135 +P. FBI agents carry G19M/17M models loaded with 135+P Critical Duty

A man that knows his 40sw. Salute

I feel the 165s shine best with 1170 FPS, and 16 inches in penetration

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40 case is actually too short to convert to 357 sig. The 357 sig is actually a 10mm necked down and then very slightly trimmed.

@@mesauer What? to go from a .40 to 357 sig is just a barrel swap.

@@mesauer It's a simple barrel swap, I've done it

What's the 357 sig like, compared to 9mm and 40 ? I have the Glock 22 and 17. I would buy a 357 sig barrel if it's worth it.

@@groundpounder8373 You'll need a .40 gun to convert to .357 You might not like it in a plastic gun. I never understand what people were complaining about .40 until I got a plastic .40 gun

Yeah. My take: If you have a 9mm, stick with it. If you have a .40S&W, stick with it. If your baby is a .45, stick with it. If you are looking for a new pistol, consider capacity, weight and ammunition cost/availability.

EXACTLY!

Speer Gold Dot +p Federal HST +p Hornady Critical Duty +p. If you don't buy one of these three, the 9mm projectiles still severely suck. And this doesn't apply to the other calibers, strangely.

That's an excellent point. Pistol frame size was indeed a factor. The ejection window opening must be large enough to eject an entire cartridge. The 10mm is a long cartridge so adopting a shorter round allowed smaller, lighter more easily grasped and concealed pistols to be used. It wasn't just a recoil situation the length of the 10mm cartridge was also a factor.

@@michaelschaffer9165 the slide size (ejection “window”) doesn’t effect the grip. The size of the magazine does though

The average agency (municipality actually) doesn't want to spend the time, money, and overtime training. It's cheaper re-outfitting to 9mm.

WOW. Rational thought. Isn't that amazing.

These “guntubers” are all biased. They’re entertainers, not ballistic experts. 9mm is the cool kid on the block caliber right now for whatever reason. .40 outperforms 9mm in every way shape and form, East-West-North-South. During the pandemic, the 9mm shelves were empty whereas .40 was available pretty much everywhere.

@@frawdulent totally. I have a couple 9mms and a Shield .40. I luckily never went close to put of ammo.

The issue is not which has more horsepower. But which one has sufficient horsepower along with lower recoil which can allow for faster follow up shots.

Of course it has more oomph! But a clean miss with a 50BMG isn't as effective as a hit with a 22 mag!!

the speed creates the hole which is what they want, the 40 is llike a sledge

If you can't put rounds on target accurately and fast, you can carry a .44 mag. but it will not do you any good. Law enforcement tried all sorts of calibers but settled on the .38 Special and later on the 9 mm as the optimal compromise between controllability, accuracy, stopping power, repeatability and capacity. And cost, of course.

Lmao no one cares

It's the Indian not the arrow. I will take a warrior with a 22 over a wannabe with whatever.

@@romeolima5339 It's the Driver not the Car.

Yeah for sure. A highly motivated and trained fighter with a .22 and a plan can put high velocity projectiles through eye sockets at 100m better than a non fighter with little training and no plan could do with any level of good equipment and ammunition.

Kaya here! I appreciate the comments :) as I stated in the video, I may be off on some of the details. I m no expert on the subject but have learned a few things over the years. Happy to be corrected if I got anything wrong in the video. And yes, people unable to qualify with .40 was also a factor 🫡🙏😎

Back in the day you had to be a man to be an officer. Today you just have to know how to handle a computer keyboard and a radio then you're in.

Yeah against 4 loggers I understand but for some to act like you need a buffalo bore hard cast .357 ( Hot ) is lil much. My .380 is just enough for me when I got shorts on and ain’t bout yo clip a belt on.

Yeah, here in the east, black bear is the most common wildlife threat. Most of the time they keep their distance. People say you need .44, 10 mm or something else huge to carry. I’m inclined to load my .40 subcompact, that I can conceal, with outdoor sports oriented hardcast .40.

How do you fit those giant balls in your britches? I'm a southern boy, so the meanest critter I have encountered is feral hogs. I also carry a .40 for those, if I miss with the rifle and get rushed by a boar. They are mean and tough, but delicious. Plus, open season all year because they are such a nuisance. You are right though, any caliber is better than nothing. Even a .22LR can feed and defend a man.

why would you use 40 instead of 10mm for bear? WHAT?

@@nikobellic3526 Recoil is the problem, you need to get back on target fast. The 40 has a rotation recoil that can be a problem. I use a 165gr HP bullet. The 10mm will have more recoil making those first 3 shots feel more like 1 or 2 shots.

Agreed not like there is only 230 ball with WW2 propellants only for 45APC or 40cal .

People think bullet technology only advances for one caliber and nothing else

@@aft5264 SADLY, LMAO.

He is definitely becoming more comfortable in front of the camera. Good on him for that. I'm sure he'll be successful with this company.

Whatever happened to alec?

@@irvinmoreno251 from what I understand, he started his own business.

I miss Alex. Clint is just so arrogant.

Always liked Kaya. Never liked Alec's attitude, demeanor. And I like that he has all that law enforcement experience...

I have a couple of boxes of ranger t, I went in my local pawn shop a few months ago and found six boxes of black talon in 40 cal, 20 bucks a box, had to have been newly manufactured, the date code was year 20

That's funny, my agency switched from Speer gold dots a couple years ago to the ranger t's but in 9mm. We were told the same thing about going through glass better

@@lynch6642 If it was legit Winchester Black Talon then there's no way it was made in 2020.

@@TheKanati09 There's 2 different loadings. There's Ranger T and Ranger Bonded. The bonded would have better barrier penetration.

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Calling out the FBI experts yeah skippy 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

lmao, I deal with these people all day selling guns. "I want a .40 cause 9mm is too small" You can smell the copium they snort all day to justify buying an obsolete caliber. There's a good reason most manufacturers dropped development of new .40 handgun.

@@OfficialFedHater Cost primarily. Qualification secondarily. Other reasons tertiarily. Most reasons don't apply to the common person who isn't working for a government office. Why have departments been going away from .40 S&W? It wasn't because the bullet was failing to stop threats upon impact. You can say it was, but that's simply untrue.

@@OfficialFedHater I've been shooting .40 caliber long before it was "obsolete". I'm not going to get rid of my firearms and thousands of rounds of ammo because somebody claims 9mm is superior to it.

Makes about as much sense as the Hague Convention rules, specifying the military couldn't use expanding projectiles because "they are too lethal."

I collected a lot of unpopular calibers then, especially exotic revolver cartridges

Same here

For this exact reason, it is good to keep multiple different platforms in different calibers. I personally prefer 9mm, but I may keep other handguns in .40 S&W, 10mm, .45ACP, 357 SIG, .22TCM9R, and maybe even 5.7x28mm. Practice and rotate through all. Have some backups in case something dries up or dipshit politicians succeed in outlawing something. Then again, I may only have airsoft equivalents and this could all be conjecture.

And this is why it's good to.have a 40

Literally have my current .40 because of that. Sure 9mm is my go to for carry. The .40 is what sits on my night stand.

Bingo

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No 9mm Critical Defense works very good. All the other calibers don’t do so good in Critical Defense. You can look it up on RU-vid. Lots of people done testing on it.

Actually no it doesn’t mean more penetration the 9 actually will penetrate more because of the diameter.

@@bobbyraejohnson sd .161 vs sd.141

The .40 also snaps back with some authority, and thats one of the reasons, 9mm was re introduced! (Lack of recruits not qualifying at the range). Remember, not too long ago, test results, have proved that the new generation of men, have 20% less testosterone then Gen X! It wont be long, before they go to the .380, and carry there duty guns, in there purse!

The comparison seems arbitrary (i.e. 180gr - sd161 vs 124gr-sd141). I can consult the same table and say, "Smaller is better," comparing the .308' - 110gr-sd166 to the .40' - 155gr-sd138. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you've only said, "This one .40' is better than this one 9mm, therefore .40' is better."

@@CalebDiT you could compare a 308 to a .40 but velocities aren't even close making this example silly. I never said .40 is better just better at penetrating and defeating barriers.

If you missed it the medical examiners cannot tell the difference in permanent wound cavity between all handgun cartridges from 9mm up. 9mm having less felt recoil, more capacity and the same penetration as well as permanent wound cavity the other hand gun rounds that are bigger aren’t worth it in terms of defensive loads. Unless you’re shooting a .44 mag there’s no real stopping power difference.

I heard that I can get a .357 SIG barrel for my HK VP40 and run it. Is that true? Just a barrel swap?

@@nismo_zrz3321 yeah except permanent expanse cavity is only part of the equation.

@@mitchellsellhausen5530 If you have a good video of the 9mm, .40, 10mm and .45 showing temporary wound cavity I’d like to see it. But it’s not question the 9mm is the most effective round to carry in a handgun. The amount of energy on target is negligible between the rounds, capacity favoring 9mm and recoil favoring 9mm carrying any other handgun round is pretty silly. Anything a better than nothing but there’s a reason everyone is switching to or has switched to 9mm.

@@mitchellsellhausen5530 I am of course referring to a human target. Of course if you’re hunting game with 9mm it won’t be effective like a hard cast 10mm but self defense against humans and bears are two totally different scenarios ands things that need to be accounted for.

Thats EXACTLY what it was/is. More smaller statured men and women getting hired.

You're correct. This "guest" is a certified bullshitter. I can't stand people like him.

@Charlie A, Keep in mind that ME's don't look at the bodies right after a shooting, and some may be delayed by up to two weeks. Tissue desiccates in that delay so that wound cavities may not easily be identified after this desiccation. It would interesting to see a study on the effects of time and examination of their opinions on wound cavities.

Yes , in fact If they had been using FM j's the deeper penetration probably would have stopped the fight in this Situation.

Paul Harrell. He is an absolute wealth of knowledge. Meat target is the best!

Some of this was entertaining. Especially the first minute. Though you'll find different opinions and facts related to the 1986 Miami Shootout and the selection of calibers.