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WHY did the schism of the Church of the East happen? 

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In this video, we discuss why the schism of the Church of the East happened. Please like, comment, share and subscribe to my RU-vid channel. Leave a comment on anything else you'd like to know or see next on this channel.
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@Baddieinbiz
@Baddieinbiz Год назад
Great videos. Thank you for saying what needs to be said across TikTok & educating those of things they’ve probably never even heard of but NEED to hear! 💯 I am Eastern Orthodox & I pray all Christians can be united again one day in the original church Jesus Christ established! ☦️😊
@VoiceOfReason_
@VoiceOfReason_ Год назад
Thank you! God bless you and may our prayers be answered! 🙏🏽
@christophercoffman1100
@christophercoffman1100 Год назад
Excited to hear about the schisms that followed this. Great vids!
@sandra4065
@sandra4065 11 месяцев назад
This has always been a confusing topic to me - thank you so much for your clear explanation of events!
@JorgePalma-zt3dk
@JorgePalma-zt3dk Год назад
Amen I love your videos
@OrthodoxStudy-wd5nk
@OrthodoxStudy-wd5nk 5 месяцев назад
I have recently watched a debate you had on the papal supremacy with an Eastern Orthodox Inquirer. I have to say I am impressed by your respect and yes you were having alot fun and enjoying. Now I am not here to debate or anything, I was Catholic untied to Rome a traditional Latin Mass attendee. I have left and joined the Eastern Orthodox church, but I have alot of respect for you even if we disagree, I see a man who loves his faith and wants to share it with others. There was a great respect by both of you in the debate and that should be in all. I will listen to your videos more for education when I continue to study the difference between the two churches. I firmly believe in the Eastern Orthodox church but i don't see problems with Roman Catholic friends. I am subscribing to your channel.
@JamzOKC
@JamzOKC Год назад
Keep doing you brodie!
@RudyCarrera
@RudyCarrera Год назад
Very well done. The Church of the East should go back into the fold soon, as should the Oriental Orthodox, who also parted for terrible reasons. Once we Orthodox and you Catholics are able to settle our differences correctly and honestly, the wounds will heal and we'll be truly One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church again, completely.
@VoiceOfReason_
@VoiceOfReason_ Год назад
Amen, brother! Let us never cease to pray for the reunion of Christ’s Church! 🙏🏽
@nacereddinechallal4405
@nacereddinechallal4405 3 месяца назад
Tbh at this point the full reunion of Catholic and Orthodox churches is kinda impossible; they have been developing their theology separately for centuries (especially the Catholic church) . But maybe they can be in Communion the same way the Anglican churches have ; they don't have to be on the exact same page but still be held in a communion.
@zenjm6496
@zenjm6496 16 дней назад
We Mar Thoma Christians or St Thomas Christians of Kerala were a part of the Church of the East until they could not lend us a Bishop anymore and the church was on it's own for some time. Catholics showed up and we became a part of the Catholic Church until a schism separated us because they treated us poorly and basically imposed their culture and practices on us. The current policy of the Catholic Church is pretty good. They want us to go back to our roots. But after the centuries of destruction, I don't think that is possible.
@JonLzt23
@JonLzt23 Год назад
Brief and concise explanation....now Nestorius, we need more on him
@BCATO
@BCATO 11 месяцев назад
This was very useful
@roelko8260
@roelko8260 Год назад
Hey brother, I can't wait to see more in dept video's of all kinds of specific things within Christianity! I also had a question. What do you think of the three forms of unity within the dutch reformed churches?😊
@phenixorbitall3917
@phenixorbitall3917 10 месяцев назад
Wow... 👍
@zaiden777
@zaiden777 5 месяцев назад
Wow, that fasting physique you were talking about is very real 😳 Praying I'll be able to take on this challenge with determination
@epicdailycatholic
@epicdailycatholic Год назад
🙏🏼
@Misha08287
@Misha08287 Год назад
Great vid
@YaksoHD
@YaksoHD 8 месяцев назад
Wow, thank you so much brother awesome video. I'm surprised that St. Cyril of Alexandria didn't explain to John of Antioch why they labeled Nestorius as a heretic since John of Antioch was so late and they started without him. I guess I would have expected a confrontation from John of Antioch asking how Nestorius was labeled as a heretic to St. Cyril and him explaining why. I guess that would have never lead to the schism in the first place just surprised John of Antioch didn't question why or tell them they aren't following Orthodoxy and it all being resolved before his disconnected himself from Christendom. God bless you brother, I'm glad I at least know the history and can see why John of Antioch split off just think he should have been more questioning but of course that's me speaking as a modern man with hindsight.
@shamiran
@shamiran Год назад
Ask any from the Assyrian church of the East, we all say and believe Jesus was fully human fully God. Now it makes sense why we have the same beliefs as the orthodox church but still are called heretics
@matiaslahod9609
@matiaslahod9609 6 месяцев назад
You will be heretics until your church renounce Nestor !!!
@nikoseufert3187
@nikoseufert3187 5 месяцев назад
I guess you call herectics because you say that Maria isnt the mother of god right?
@shamiran
@shamiran 5 месяцев назад
@@nikoseufert3187 No, we don't use "Mary mother of God" in our church, but that doesn't mean we don't believe that Jesus is God or see anything wrong with using Mother of God, the church has always just preferred to use "Mary mother of Christ our God." hope that makes some sense.
@nikoseufert3187
@nikoseufert3187 5 месяцев назад
@@shamiran bro that didnt make sense you say Jesus is 100 Prozent god but say mary isnt the mother of god when you say that you literally say Jesus wasnt god before and then became god
@shamiran
@shamiran 5 месяцев назад
@@nikoseufert3187 sorry what? what are you talking about? WHY DID YOU JUST MAKE UP WHAT YOU BELIEVE ABOUT OUR CHURCH AND NOT READ WHAT I SAID!!? PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST HAVE THEIR MINDS SET AND WILL JUST blindly argue just for the sake of arguments. yes, Jesus is God, so saying MARY Mother of Christ is saying Jesus wasn't God? how? isn't Christ God? AND NO, WE DONT BELIVE HE WASNT GOD AND THEN BECOME GOD, don't make up things. I never said that, and the church has never said that. How did you take that from what I said? and I clearly said if you can read, we don't find anything wrong with using the term Mother of God, we just prefer to say mother of Christ OUR GOD!!!!!
@cadenroman1989
@cadenroman1989 Год назад
Came here from tiktok and want to thank you for making these videos I love hearing from another catholic!
@WesIrvine-ou9jg
@WesIrvine-ou9jg Год назад
Can you do a video on either RU-vid or TikTok talking about angels
@XereNak
@XereNak Год назад
Seriously love your serious defence of Orthodox Apostolic, Catholic Truth.
@OrthoKarter
@OrthoKarter 10 месяцев назад
Catholic means whole in the Orthodox context.
@amanizeru6344
@amanizeru6344 Год назад
Can you do a video on the Ethiopian Orthodox Church
@BKT_04
@BKT_04 Год назад
Can you make a video or short on what determines if scripture is inspired or not
@VoiceOfReason_
@VoiceOfReason_ Год назад
Yes, I’ll do that 🙏🏽
@lolina7888
@lolina7888 11 месяцев назад
We are one in the name of Jesus Christ the one and only God 💖🙏
@andreganjee3953
@andreganjee3953 7 месяцев назад
Theres a 3 part video from the bishop Assyrian Church of the east where he explains this its a good watch even though its 3 hours but i really recommend it
@X4VER279
@X4VER279 3 месяца назад
I cant decide between catholicism and orthodoxy. I am currently a Roman catholic and i dont know what to do. Can someone help?
@mikestore1462
@mikestore1462 Год назад
Kindly make a video of the proper way for the reception of Holy Communion. Is Holy Communion really supposed to be received in our hands? Thanks in advance
@TCZ17090
@TCZ17090 Год назад
No, you should always receive on the tongue
@justreal4379
@justreal4379 Год назад
MAY GOD BE WITH US ! AND FORGIVE OUR SINS
@Migz2682
@Migz2682 10 месяцев назад
I know this is way before modern communication. Isn't it fishy that the council started without John being there knowing that John didn't feel the need to be there to begin with because his communication was different. Then he goes reluctantly and it starts without with. Are there letters between the pope and the patriarch of Alexandria to John of Antioch where they tell him about Nostorious thoughts.
@michaelg4919
@michaelg4919 Месяц назад
Nestorius in his response to Cyril cites the creed but omits "consubstantial with the Father". He also replaces it in other writings with "son-of-the-nature" which denies homoousios ("of same substance"), but instead affirms homoiousios ("of like substance"; the same thing his supporter Theodosius believed in).
@kelvinthomas9753
@kelvinthomas9753 8 месяцев назад
Can you make a video on the heresy of nestorius?
@amalp9784
@amalp9784 7 месяцев назад
Nestorian heresy is the right word "heresy of Nestorius" gets a feeling like Nestorius taught heresy. If you're malayali I can guide you to a webinar that explains everything.
@AryaXVII
@AryaXVII 4 месяца назад
What the individual above said, Nestorian Hersey sure, Nestorius Hersey no lol.
@amaze5303
@amaze5303 Год назад
Hi, can you make a video about holy mary and the apostels.Because many people say that we pray to them and thats worshiping someone else than god.And that the bible never said to pray to them.
@beckjar30plays52
@beckjar30plays52 Год назад
Can you tells us in a video about the Protestant Reformation
@VoiceOfReason_
@VoiceOfReason_ Год назад
Yes, I’ll be talking a lot about that 🙏🏽
@beckjar30plays52
@beckjar30plays52 Год назад
Thank you so much
@lixobounce6588
@lixobounce6588 Год назад
​@@VoiceOfReason_ do you have an email where i can contact you? I want to ask some questions personally
@zenjm6496
@zenjm6496 16 дней назад
Church of the East and te Antiochean church are two different communities. Church of East became an Independant church in the year AD 424.
@Migz2682
@Migz2682 10 месяцев назад
Orthodox believe the conclusions of the 1st 7 councils. The claim that the 5 pateiarchs have to be in agreement. But they agree in E councils ( 4, 5, 6, and 7) without the Patriarchs of Constantinople and Antioch. Do I have that right?
@julianaromero3999
@julianaromero3999 Год назад
Are there any catholic bibles you can recommend that are in layman’s terms?
@VoiceOfReason_
@VoiceOfReason_ Год назад
I use the second edition of the Revised Standard Version 🙏🏽
@julianaromero3999
@julianaromero3999 Год назад
Do you use KJ Version?
@catholicusmaan
@catholicusmaan 11 месяцев назад
@@julianaromero3999he uses RSV2CE
@sandra4065
@sandra4065 11 месяцев назад
@@julianaromero3999No, because the KJV removed 7 canonical books from the Bible.
@pdub69triniboy
@pdub69triniboy 2 месяца назад
New catholic bible by st Joseph Edition is a good one too
@justinward3218
@justinward3218 3 месяца назад
So sad
@fabianandru168
@fabianandru168 Год назад
add script in video,thank you and succes
@EliasEH89
@EliasEH89 Год назад
Why you didn’t say Catholic christology 1:13 instead of Orthodox christology ? Confused Thank u
@AssyrioChaldean
@AssyrioChaldean Год назад
Orthodox just means correct or right opinion
@Lucas_____
@Lucas_____ Год назад
🇧🇷🇻🇦
@BKT_04
@BKT_04 Год назад
Does Assyrian church of the east call Mary the theotokos or christokos?
@shamiran
@shamiran Год назад
Christokos, we say Mary mother of Christ our Lord… hope that helps
@amalp9784
@amalp9784 7 месяцев назад
We Syro Malabar also trying to do the same.
@AryaXVII
@AryaXVII 4 месяца назад
We say christokos and theotokos, we ultimately say christokos, but our christokos IS THEOTOKOS, because the way we use it is to express that Holy mother Mary gave birth to Christ, who is truly God, and truly man. We avoid the term itself, but we can use it, but if you’re wondering why we avoid it, it is to avoid confusion on the hierarchy of the blessed of virgin compared to the godhead. When we say “Mother of God”, it can come off as we are saying she existed before God. We try to avoid this confusion as best as possible, so we stuck with christokos while simultaneously acknowledging the pros of theotokos, but because of this, people said we denied theotokos, even though that’s not true at all.
@carlose4314
@carlose4314 3 месяца назад
@@shamiran Mary is the mother of God since Jesus is God.
@carlose4314
@carlose4314 3 месяца назад
@@AryaXVII Mother of God does not mean Mary existed before God.
@ErmiasBirhanu-uk5bm
@ErmiasBirhanu-uk5bm Месяц назад
How can we believe you?? You haven't mentioned any sources brother???....
@diogogomes4336
@diogogomes4336 Год назад
Did the Church of Ethiopia broke with 431? Good job, bro🤝🇧🇷
@VoiceOfReason_
@VoiceOfReason_ Год назад
Actually that happened 20 years later in 451, which is when the next major schism occurred. I’ll be releasing a video about that soon! 🙏🏽
@Fatkidlovecake
@Fatkidlovecake 4 месяца назад
Why do assyrians still hold nestorias as a saint but follow absolutely nothing of his heretical views? Why don’t they condemn him and move forward
@AryaXVII
@AryaXVII 4 месяца назад
Good question, because we don’t believe Mar Nestorious taught Nestorianism. He actually made a book during his exile, and when we read the book, we clearly saw a misrepresentation of his views, and saw how he was preaching dyphositism, while some of his words were taken out of context, or cherry picking the “bad parts” of his christology. There’s a lot of quotes out there by him that even are a misrepresentation One of his famous quotes is “I separate the natures, but unite the worship”, we know this was taken out of context because Nestorius separation was a reference to distinction. We also know his views on denial of theotokos, was not to deny the divinity of Christ. But to not make The blessed virgin into a Goddess. I’ll even give you the quote “If any of you or any one else be simple and has a preference for the term Theotokos, then I have nothing to say against it - only do not make a Goddess of the virgin” Saint Nestorius of Constantinople (Loofs 1914, 32; cf. Sellers 1940, 172-3)” If Mar Nestorius had no issue with theotokos, as long as you don’t make her into a Goddess, why still condemn him? Either there was corruption, or there was truly a misunderstanding. We also do not believe Cyril of Alexandria is a Dyphosite, we believe he’s actually a Miaphysite, just like how Orientals believe he was a Miaphysite. This is why oriental’s will accept the council of Ephesus; but deny the council of Chalcedon. While we deny the council of Ephesus, but we ultimately accept/recognize the council of Chalcedon, since it is more in tune with dyphositism.
@mikemcelroy8014
@mikemcelroy8014 9 месяцев назад
"pray the rosary every day" --- Our Lady of Fatima --- 1917 - ⚔
@Ashur-banipal
@Ashur-banipal 10 месяцев назад
Wow sorry to say my brother but this is extremely false. The church of the east existed longggg before the split of 431. The Church of the East was founded in 33AD (Hence the title the Apostolic Church)
@amalp9784
@amalp9784 7 месяцев назад
For sure Church did existed dated back to St Thomas the Apostle. but we were all one before that was the point he was trying explain.
@donbabadalir4904
@donbabadalir4904 3 месяца назад
It's even attested to in 1 Peter 5:13, and has a verified apostolic line (Urhay/Edessa), with contributions by St. Thomas in Urmia and beyond. Western Christianity was still being persecuted while the Church of the East (though still not officially named that) was flourishing in the East.
@NIMRODWARDA
@NIMRODWARDA Месяц назад
The Church of the East never professed that Jesus Christ is 50% God and 50% human. In the Church of the East we say the one incarnate person of Jesus Christ has two qnomeh from two kyana, making him fully God and fully human. Also, we simply believed the term "mother of Christ" is more complete than just saying "mother of God", since it accounts for both the human nature and Godly nature.
@thewanderdire
@thewanderdire 6 месяцев назад
Still we call patriarch Cyril as St Cyril ...Lol
@OrthoKarter
@OrthoKarter 10 месяцев назад
The West split from the East, NOT vise versa.
@martinm2871
@martinm2871 8 месяцев назад
Doesn’t this disprove one of the points of the non-sacramental, non-Saint/Mother Mary-venerating, non-Eucharist believing self-proclaimed ‘Bible-believing’ Christians.
@NIMRODWARDA
@NIMRODWARDA Месяц назад
By the way... the Patriarch of Antioch was never the head of the Church of the East. That seat belongs to the Syriac Orthodox Church.
@calex1801
@calex1801 Месяц назад
The Patriarch of Antioch essentially led the Syriac Orthodox Church tho
@NIMRODWARDA
@NIMRODWARDA Месяц назад
@@calex1801 Correct... but the Syriac Orthodox Church is not the same church as the Church of the East.
@calex1801
@calex1801 Месяц назад
@@NIMRODWARDA The church of the is was literally called the East Syriac Church I believe
@NIMRODWARDA
@NIMRODWARDA Месяц назад
@@calex1801 You are mixing up terms. The Church of the East is the church that formed (mostly) outside of the Roman Byzantine Empire. Today we refer to ourselves as the "Assyrian" Church of the East (but the church it's technically multi-ethnic). On the other hand, the Syriac Orthodox Church is (mostly) from the farthest eastern areas within the Roman Byzantine Empire. Both are Syriac speaking churches, just with different dialects.
@user-te6jq1hz2c
@user-te6jq1hz2c 3 месяца назад
adrian !!!!!!!
@LimitlessStateOfMind
@LimitlessStateOfMind Месяц назад
bro why do you talk like that just use your normal voice i cant take you seriously
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