WHY DID THESE INCREDIBLE YU-GI-OH DECKS FROM THE OCG... completely flop in America? 

What is a europe?

Only two relevant countries in each group.

What is a Corea?

Europe doesn't count.

@@LuckingsworthI mean the TCG has US, Canada, the UK and Germany. I’d say those are all fairly relevant Yugioh demographics.

Kinda hard to be relevant without your most important card. And Chronomaly was like 3 years old and dropped into the middle of the start of the modern age of Yugioh. A good 2012 deck was *not* going to cut it in 2015 with Shaddoll, BA, Qliphort, and Nekroz.

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Thank Elon for that

Even then their definition of control is just combo but with slightly less summons most of the time they end on the same big board of negates

​@@michaelkehathat is midrange

@@Xeamless there is no such thing as true mid range in Yugioh because you would need for a game to develop more than a turn a pop before the outcome is generally decided for midrange to be a viable deck style what yugioh calls midrange is just slower combo

I still don't know what midrange means in the context of yugioh

@@kaisermaximal8123 it takes you two turns of solitaire to make your opponent scoop cause they didn't have a hand full of specific outs which players think is balanced to require that many mandatory cards just to get to have a turn instead of one

It’s gotta be because their PSCT format is so much more legible, makes so much of a difference for comprehending a pend card compared to other ones

@@fryenchill2817 yeah OCG PSCT is more Comprehensible compard to TCG Thats why when OCG announce they would release Asean English again i wish it follow the OCG PSCT

Just look at Master Duel, except for the latest cup, which is dominated by Tear 0 and Sprights. There's one or two Pendulum deck players that placed in top 10

and dont forget Vaylantz with FTK/ Dyno fossil secret village lock. Now they also run roll back ghost meet girl The deck just capable with all degenerate lock smh

Pendulum players in both metas have the same advantage: People hate reading long card text and also have difficulty understanding how the effects interact Source: I play Endymion and win through ignorant opponents quite often

@@monstermilk6092 To be fair, almost all your interruption has only soft once-per-turn clauses.

Nah, I'd say its more because droplet and talents weren't printed when it came out initially. They got dragoon like one or two sets before rotd in the ocg but we got it after rotd and dragoon just had more main decked answers.

Both answers are solid actually

Dragoon with Maxx C. Too strong.

Dragoon was insanely good and meta warping in tcg as well, you'll never buy me with MegaCapitalG's arguments. Sure, having a "one special summon omni negate towers in TOSS format" was ridiculous, but what about one of the best endpoint for a combo line we ever had? Going first at worse it was a dude aiming for combo's choke points once you've baited most of your opponent's interactions. Going second it represented an easy line for lethal being able to pop 2 and burn while boosting himself if you'd dare to activate anything. I believe going second it was even more troublesome since Kaijus and Talents were unusable and Droplet maybe got wasted onto something else. Clearly the problem card during that period was Verte, and DPE was even more flexible allowing you to go +2 next turn, but having played extensively drytron format Dragoon felt as the furthest thing from a flop .

I need a time machine banlist check for if the OCG still had grinder golem and pre-errata firewall still legal in some capacity because Dragoon also had the capacity to be an ftk or an otk going second.

I would argue that the card existing warps the meta whether it's allowed or not, people are just THAT affected by a card sometimes

Wut. Zefra Guardragon was incredibly cheap, and unreasonably powerful at the time. TCG just doesnt like pend.

@@TheEagleAndTheApple Not at the time. Some of the extra deck cards were worth an arm and a leg, not helping that this was during a period in which the minute a field spell was seen as core to a tier 1 deck it would balloon in price over night. The TCG prices have and always will be insane, as well as being a factor in why certain strong decks just don't become top tier over here.

@@Tokumastu1 I literally played the deck competitively man, it was like $50 lol

@@TheEagleAndTheApple buby, the Zegra deck in question aint the guard dragon varient. Might want to watch the vid again. The Varient that was in question to making the rounds is the one that was too expensive and was outclassed by other decks that did the same thing. I should know I was a seller at the time and was making the rounds during tournaments to make money.

Yeah it was sad to see zefra flop. It's genuinely my favorite pendulum deck but it's hard to justify what it did over any other deck at pretty much any point.

Playing Dragonmaid in early MD formats was a blast, the deck can easily snowball into a ridiculous advantage, but it has a very weak turn 1 setup, so the big fuck off combo decks that are common in the TCG can easily overwhelm it before it has a chance to start snowballing.

Actually, it was never meta. It just had alot of people playing it and topping LOCALS with it. Most ocg reports people see are from locals and dont actually give a good view on what was meta. Like dragonmaid of heatsoul turbo being locals legends but not remotely meta.

​@@haxmode6935a CS and duelist cup is counted as competitive, why Adachi cs 2019 Razor burn won ps5 then?

​@@haxmode6935Meta stretches into more than just everywhere. If people are consistently topping at their locals with it, then that would be considered meta in that store.

@@r3zaful competive means people there are actualy trying to win. Saying a event is competive means shite. Saying a event was high level and has actaul good players in it is what actually means stuff. Also cs/dc isnt that competive

I mean Hero kinda can achieve something

With Dragonmaid, you get a negate in one special summon and the archetype is backed up by all the generic dragon support. At least there's a potential somewhere. They keep exploring new ideas instead of staying boring.

@@LLewliet-pz6ve too bad it got powercrept hard by Bystials, it used to be a good engine in dragon link/dragunity

​@@tumage8592but not a negate

As opposed to the TCG where no decks have cult following?

People still play dragon link my dude, just people get bored

@@r3zaful I know, D-Link still going stronk after 4 years💪

​@@leoornstein3963dlink hasn't even existed for 4 years?

@@andrejv.2834 late 2019 to now (2023)

@@leoornstein3963 but wasn't the first instance of dlink at a tournament that cherubini turbo deck after the january 2020 banlist? And even that doesn't really resemble what the deck would turn into later on in like september-october 2020

It was 2 weeks! And they got a top during Zoo before Grass Paleo became popular. It's one of the unexplored formats i hope gets noticed in the future like Edison. ABC PALEO DDD INFERNOID counter each other really well, while there were Metalfoes piles etc before the coming of Ash, Zoo, and Draco.

@@babrad So which of the 4 does Infernoid tend to counter in this example? Legit asking because I'm not familiar enough with what was available to Infernoid at that time.

@@EnergyBurst2 DDD counters Paleo, Paleo counters ABC, ABC counters DDD with Infernoid countering both DDD and ABC but not having that good of a match against Paleo.

That week was my first 4-0 at locals lol

Ogier coming back around to being the best Infernoble normal summon is vindicating. I always felt perfectly safe opening Ogier and a way to Renaud.

There was no nibiru when infernoble was first released in the ocg. Rise of the duelist came out around may and they didn't get nibiru and dark ruler no more until a few months later.

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they are just better players

@@sarthakarora3212 mfw "better players" let Spright become tier 0 despite Tear being near full power at the same time.

​@@cynthiacrescent In a format with Maxx "C", POTE Spright is stronger than POTE Tear by a large margin. DABL support for Tear was the game changer there, Spright stopped being Tier 0 when it released. Remember in the TCG we played Tear mostly with Dangers, sometimes with Scareclaw or Spright. These decks simply die to Maxx "C", they have massive engines and can't fit the Maxx package.

It's not gambling when you fill your entire deck with cards that trigger when milled. And by that logic, all decks use gambling since you draw random hands from a 40-60 card deck. But the gambling canard is from people coping after being beaten by Tear.

@@cynthiacrescent the issue with spright in the OCG is that maxx C is legal. sprights make maxx C searchable jumping their potential to the moon.

It's part of why I find the OCG more interesting is because Maxx C forces efficiency of plays it often feels like the turns are strong but less time consuming on average

Hey, the pokemon soundtrack in the background of the video makes this relevant

I am happy for you

What did you nickname them?

no they just liked the deck. even with maxx c that deck is just bad.

You just describe any deck uh

Nah, its because Dragonmaid needs multiple turns to snowball into massive advantage with its own engine, but it has a very weak turn 1 setup, so it needs Maxx C to survive that turn 1.

You are aware that maxx c resolves like 2 times every 10

30 year old Japanese salary men will lay eyes upon a yugioh card and will devote the rest of their life to playing that card and like 7 times out of 10 it's an anime girl variant

They have standard yous mean, they are not harlots like meta slaves.

​@@sarthakarora3212more like they have issues and think with their dicks rather than brains

It's also because they have far more tournaments so their stuff evolves so much faster

OCG is more midrange leaning because Maxx C is legal so I don't think they are really two different points. That one card is holding back their metas from becoming as combo dominant as the TCGs meta always is.

In my experience against Tear Maxx C does actually hamper the deck more than you would think since there is a good chance you can fire it on your own turn against tear and be able to draw enough additional gas to power through their interactions anyway

We still need Chamber's dragon form so there's a chance

The director of the anime is the one who’s dead and not the original Artist/Writer so what the fuck are you talking about

it's turbulence, you can't ash it and Maxx C? don't really give a shit if hydrant is already out. instant set 4 is huge

​@@hoshi314evenly match,game 2?

@@brutalnobody5240 Not after the firewall combo, since here there isn't a roach to stop it.

@@brutalnobody5240 bitch please, Inspector Boarder

Diabellestar also covers 1 major choke point of the deck.

kitkallos gives her hardest battles to her strongest soldiers

we didn't have librarian or quasar widely available like they did till later though

@@fentimablader Quasar didn't came until much later and t.g was a jump promo from a month or so earlier, so t.g we had

@@chasehill04 widely avail meaning not only as a jump promo

@@fentimablader how do I say this... you see how competitive players just buy what they need? T.G not been widely available is not a factor for that, it could even be seen as a point to my favor in the sense that "T.G was not widely available and even with that junk-doppel got result" after all it "just" got tops at worlds right? Nothing special

@@chasehill04 yeah i know, i'm just saying it could never have gotten the same representation in tcg as ocg cause we were missing full access to those crucial pieces

Prolly bc the “Got their support too late” thing was a different video

I would love if maxx c was unbanned, then i can deck out my opponent by special summoning 35 times

@@shadowdraqon2479 That actually makes maxx c balanced if you think about it

Because he's American

Systemic american exeptionalism

It's because the meta hive mind hasn't been shown and told it's good so it might as well not exist

@@michaelkeha yup, sad truth

Not really a flop, just the good card came out 3 years too late for it to be relevant. A good 2012 deck didn't stand a chance against BA, Shaddoll, Qli, and Nekroz.

Ironically the OCG had started moving towards pure gishki hand looping again by the time we got gishki spright

and many more unplayable because maxx C effectively gatekeeps them off the meta #banmaxxC

​​@@Teixas666Ppl care more about what got into the meta than what didn't sadly

@@dhanyl2725 it's the illusion of choice. And, no, people just want to make excuses for themselves. If it's for their pet deck, they need it to play. If it's for the meta, the need it to counter their opponents combo, disregarding the fact that they will also combo the following turn. If they want less cards banned/more variety in deck building, Maxx "C" makes cards like Ash, Called, Cross, and Droll far more powerful. Meaning a third of your deck will be based around these cards. Maxx C is like Scheherazade in MTG. Unfun, complicates games for no reason, noncommittal, so on so forth. The card might as well read "Your opponent chooses one effect for you to activate: 1: Draw Seven Cards 2: It is the end of the turn" Nothing about that is fun. The game is already "Draw the Out" simulator. This card not only cements this idea, but dumbs down interaction to the point that it requires no skill to really use.

@@Sassaparilla Good luck drawing the out to maxx c when most of the commonly usable outs are on the f/l list kek

@@dhanyl2725 don't need to draw the out to Maxx C, because it's A: Banned in my Locale And B: I'm antisocial, so seeing me in a place where a banlist is relevant is less likely than seeing me cook or sweep.

It literally informs all aspects of deck design without it players can go for the longest most drawn out combos imaginable with limited repercussions with it players are forced to build for hyper efficient impactful combos with as little fat as possible

Yeah the deck ended on an FTK and could even play through handtraps with certain hands. On top of that Crossout was at 3 and CBTG was at 2. It felt so ridiculously overpowered to anything else in the format back then. And then Halq got banned and the power level of the format went down significantly