Why did Valve even make CS2?

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@Hadeth_a_stepa 3 месяца назад

67 likes? On a 1.7k views well made video? How the heck does this happen? Are people really forgetting about the like button? hit the like button.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

100%

@atsizbalik 3 месяца назад

the biggest problem of cs2 was that it was overhyped and seen as something big, we could've just gotten a simple source 2 port but they decided to make a new game. and another reason was because valve didn't wanted to work with a 20 year old game engine

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

True, along with the fact that they didn't give themselves enough time I would've been fine with waiting for a more finished product if they had just delayed the release and we could've had the opportunity as a community to have more of an impact on the finished product.

@Starkus23 3 месяца назад

I don't think we could have gotten a "simple source 2 port". It was either build the entire game again from the ground up, or nothing. Many people forget that Valve did not actually make CS:GO. Hidden Path did, it was outsourced to this relatively small developer and Valve most likely never expected the game to keep going for 11+ years. Valve only took over maintaining the game at some point into its lifespan. And there were rumours in the past that Valve didn't really know or understand the entire code of the game (because they hadn't made it) and whenever they would try to ship an update or change something, completely different mechanics would just break and nobody would know why. So even if they tried to ship updates and new features, they would be very, very limited in what they could do, without accidentally breaking stuff. The game really was the definition of the term "spaghetti code". I think this was actually the main reason for why they made CS2. They made it so that they could have a much cleaner and organised code to work with in the future. It was an investment in the ability to maintain CS.

@atsizbalik 3 месяца назад

@@Starkus23 when i meant simple source 2 port, i didn't meant the new models and remade maps

@vanijenkovBG 2 месяца назад

@@Starkus23 actually one of the main reasons were the source engine cuz csgo really pushed it to its full limit and they needed a new engine

@mrKremeU 3 месяца назад

I think a lot of people misunderstand this, sure csgo was stable and good, but it was being patched with code constantly. It was basically breaking a piece of wood and then glueing it back together constantly in a circle in terms of writing the code for cs. That's why it was hard to update. (Also doesn't help that csgo was made for controller originally as a basis)

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

I have been made aware of this, but some of my points still stand. All we wanted as a community was 128 tick and better hit reg. That's all we wanted, but instead, we got a piece of polished shit with glitter on it. Valve knew we wanted better tickrate, and decided that peekers advantage should all of the sudden become much worse. CS being ported to source 2 was probably a hell of a big improvement to quality of life for the Valve devs, but they stripped us of ours, when it wasn't even a necessary exchange. They decided to give us things that really didn't change much and called it a day.

@Infisrael 3 месяца назад

cs2 isnt stable either fyi

@hobosnake1 3 месяца назад

@@CodyCapone Stop using language like "decided that peekers advantage should all of the sudden become much worse". It's so hyperbolic and annoying. I'm not even going to watch the rest of your video. You're not only uninformed, but you speak like a child. Your ideas about Valve are already so strange just based on that sentence alone.

@tnc4700 3 месяца назад

@mrKremeU yes Valve stated that coding would be ALOT more basic with Cs2... what ppl are angry about i think is that Valve ignored the fact that the coding would be just as ez for the cheat devs aswell.

@chairshoe81 3 месяца назад

to answer the question literally the entire cs community was screeching for csgo to be ported to source 2 for years, without thinking about the implications of it other than 'skins will be shinier'. then the day comes and the entire cs community screeches at valve to change it back. we're gamers, what do you expect?

@Dwayne_LaFontant 3 месяца назад

Shits, giggles, and money.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

lmfao true

@mikonson4091 3 месяца назад

The only thing I'm mad about, is the community server browser is literal garbage filled with dogsh*t spam. Literally unusable.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

I spoke about this in the last video I made if you want to check that out :)

@mikonson4091 3 месяца назад

@@CodyCapone bazinga

@doliniplanini2260 3 месяца назад

because csgo looked like it was an xbox360 exclusive

@noskope69xx84 2 месяца назад

The fact that CSGO was on PS3 and Xbox 360 is.....

@Valvefan75 3 месяца назад

Valve made it because people wanted it, It just should have released later.

@sarcafacent3973 3 месяца назад

Amazingly professional setup. Looks very chill. Pacing of your vid is nice too btw. :)

@mrtytanic7587 3 месяца назад

Agreed, nice to see new creators on the platform

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it, I have been doing youtube for a long time and I'm happy you like it :)

@MrMongo213 3 месяца назад

CS Player-base "What made you make a second csgo right next to the first one?" CS Dev's: "Money"

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

ong, greed only knows little, and they got a lot of greed

@arvidkellstrom2001 3 месяца назад

How would it make them money to replace there free to play game with another free to play game? As well as porting all the in game purchases across inlcuding prime purchases and skins?

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

The money they make off of skins would, as was proven from the cs2 skins bubble, would rise and the money valve would make from steams 12% take off steam market sales would go up, along with A LOT of press from announcing and releasing cs2. They made plenty of money from this. I understand though, doesn't seem like greed at first, but when you dig deeper, there's plenty of evidence of the egregious amount of money this made them.

@MrMongo213 3 месяца назад

@@arvidkellstrom2001 player population was driving downwards at the end of csgo, they were on a year of record low profits so they popped out cs2 despite it still being in early stages of dev to revitalize the space and bring people back, it makes them money by advertising a new engine with better graphics that highlight skins better. sells the pitch of "there is no better time to get into cs skins" its the basic method of any free to play ip

@arvidkellstrom2001 3 месяца назад

@@MrMongo213 Are you just making stuff up? if you check the steamcharts csgo player base was about between 500 and 700k the mounths before the announcement of cs2. The players went up during the time beetween the annocment and release (still csgo). Either Steamchart is lying or you are. Valve also made USD13 billion in 2022 with that being the fancial year that would influnce the annocement of cs 2. The facts are that the community asked for a port/sequal ever since the source 2 in 2015 and when they got it they had to find something new to cry about cuz complaining about a video game is the only sense of community they will experience. Stop making up facts to justify your opinion man. right now you are really living up to your name

@Mr.Vercetti-7 3 месяца назад

I don't get the hate for cs2. It's not perfect, but feels more refreshing compared to csgo and continues to improve. Keep in mind how horrible the first versions of CSGO were

@docCCCCC 3 месяца назад

I played first versions of CSGO, and I must say that although the first versions looked like DLC to CS:S, but at least they were more stable. I remember people complaining about Molotovs and different spray mechanics but it wasn’t lack of content nor lack of bug fixes like CS2. CS:GO felt different, CS2 feels clunky. (OPINION ‼️)

@crocophobia 3 месяца назад

THIS. I got my PC in 2016 and it had always been running csgo fine. In fact, I had 2.5k hours in it right before cs2 officially launched but when I tried cs2, it was unbearably laggy and the movement just felt off. Lowered the graphics n tried everything but nothing seemed to work. I legit don't understand why cs2 needed to be released when majority of the game is just a graphics overhaul of csgo. WE'RE CS PLAYERS DAMMIT! If we cared about graphics, we wouldn't have played cs to begin with.

@batplaysstuff339 3 месяца назад

its not only graphics bro they made it easier for them to map, update, make new content. im a mapmaker and making maps for cs2 is waaay easier than cs go

@crocophobia 3 месяца назад

I mean yeah they made a lot of things better in cs2 but its just so frustrating when ppl like me who've been playing the game for 5+ years suddenly cant play anymore all cuz of bad pc specs

@vlixz4583 3 месяца назад

bro, valve just need to upgrade the engine thats the only reason. i love the game is given update even if its horrible. i love GO i do, but i want this upgrade as well, and if GO and cs2 is available simulatnously its going to split the playerbase and not good for the brand. i still think this move is the way to go.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

Understandable take.

@FraserFlav1212 3 месяца назад

the only thing improved by the port is the graphics. valve dont care about the game itself nor the players, but if the game looks better so do the skins. this makes more people want to unbox cases to try and pull skins.

@Greyhun 3 месяца назад

Let Valve cook for a bit more. CS2 is getting better and better week by week. I'm actually excited about CS2. If they keep up the great work it will be an amazing game. 🎉❤

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

I hope so too

@trinex64 3 месяца назад

i still play source icl, mostly for ksf servers but its also just way more fun, stable and easier to run... the game is all about improvement and not stuff like skins ps: zblock cant stop me, i do it sideways 🥶

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

bro got zblock feelin like phoon really came back

@evankim2406 3 месяца назад

Valve was switching over to the Source 2 engine and so they decided to port CS so that all of the company would run on Source 2.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

source 2 been out since 2015, aint no way valve been planning this port for 10 years

@evankim2406 3 месяца назад

@@CodyCapone Valve takes a very long time doing things, just look at how long it took them to make another Half Life game.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

They haven't made a half life game because they don't have a good enough story for it, they don't want to just push a lacking story in a very story-based franchise. Both games were also ground-breaking in their own right, and they made Alyx because VR was pretty ground-breaking at the time. We, as PC gamers, are incredibly spoiled, entitled and difficult, if not impossible to satisfy. They want to make a game worth making to conclude the Half-Life series, and an pretty on-par game for today wouldn't satisfy us due to the other 2 games having changed the game in the way they did. Dota 2 was immediately ported onto Source 2. But it took almost a decade to make CS-2? Nah, this was a new development, and if they had taken that long to do it, it wouldn't have been as bad as it is. They realised that the spaghetti code that was in GO wasn't stable anymore for the things they wanted to do in future updates. This was a spur of the moment decision and they made the mistake of giving us a release date too early, giving us the mess we have today, instead of delaying the game to potentially upset the player base.

@evankim2406 3 месяца назад

@@CodyCapone Fair enough.

@phatmuschle488 3 месяца назад

to answer to your title i think it's because they were bored

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

I could see that lol

@tankfire20 2 месяца назад

There were deep rooted flaws in not just the csgo code but the engine itself that were only exasperated by the code leaks thay happened a few years ago. There were many aspects of the game that were collecting dust and idiosyncracies eg hammer editor, source film maker, and various aspects of game code. This made it difficult for valve to continue development of the game. The game was rushed by hidden path entertainment in 2012 and was built upon many layers with works from many developers with different ways to handle things. TLDR: even though csgo was functional the backend was a bandaid upon bandaid fix mess of many years.

@j.p. 3 месяца назад

He did it, so he can better sell skins

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

that's also true

@Tadoss 3 месяца назад

only upgrade i needed was good hit reg and 128 tick then add new operation and everything is perfect

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

That was what everyone was hoping for, but Valve being Valve, they decided to screw us, because we really dont have any other game we'd rather play.

@mikevismyelement 3 месяца назад

subtick sucks so bad that I am not sure if the game can be fixed without scrapping it completely.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

Agreed.

@huh3 3 месяца назад

As I heard on the internet, it's hard- coded into the source code. So no way scrapping it out without creating a big mess.

@theoneandonlyklemens3712 3 месяца назад

Oh hell yeah my mans is back

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

you know it

@kossa_maneka315 3 месяца назад

"CS:GO was treadmill work"

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

I'm... confused

@namanienie123 2 месяца назад

simple skin look good skin make money money go brrrrrrrr

@cl_low7758 3 месяца назад

i cant even play it anymore because of the graphics overhaul. I'm fine with everything else they did, but they shouldve just kept the graphics the same.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

for sure

@colonelblars9126 3 месяца назад

they made it for their pals at NVDA and MSFT, forcing players to have to upgrade their hardware was always the plan

@dumbfloppa 3 месяца назад

1st reason 20 year old game engine 2nd super poorly optimized 3rd one way smokes.

@thug588 3 месяца назад

i knew things were gonna go downhill after they made agents

@smuwug 3 месяца назад

7500 hours on cs2 apparently and 0 achievements

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

that's real

@yunekoVT 3 месяца назад

the game engine was pretty limiting, thats kinda it, think about all the possibilites we got now (if valve ever gets around to working on new stuff) seen some cool shit on some community maps that couldnt have ever been done in csgo, just gotta have some patience (also the anger over the anti cheat issue shouldnt be geared 100% towards valve, theyre just as much a victim as we are, people should be way more mad at the cheaters/cheat devs, it wouldnt be a problem if they didnt exist)

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

If people find a way to get a leg up on the competition, they will. Increasing the odds of a win is something everyone wants to do, some do it honourably, some don't. Cheating in sports has been a thing for decades. The anger towards valve's anticheat was mostly brought by the fact that they forgot to turn on trust factor for a couple of weeks. Flooding the game with cheaters without anyone getting banned. And as for them being able to fix the problems, Valve seem to be updating the game, but not really for the things we want. Changing maps for the worse (Vertigo being a blatant example) and giving us more 'nice to have' features like the utility crosshair. It's been a year and most of the issues the community has been asking about fixes for have seemed to just be overlooked by valve.

@lvlwowable 3 месяца назад

Why did they make it? What is the main complaint from people playing bathesda games? Outdated game engine. Valve did not make the csgo engine and this is a huge problem. We now have a new engine wich can be improved on and the code is something valve now understands from a fundimental level. CS2 has its problems but the people who want to just continue with csgo eternally are short sighted, delay cs2 release 100% but continue with csgo absolutely not!

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

Valve most certainly made source (the engine csgo was using). Don't know where you got that information. I never said source 2 was a bad thing. I said their usage of the port wasn't optimal to the type of game they were making. A tactical shooter doesn't require good looking, bright and pretty graphics. The main issue I bring up in the video is that we were pretty much given a better looking, worse product. This isn't COD, this is counter strike, where people play competitively, even on a professional level. The game running smoothly was the thing we wanted most. The graphics aren't a bad thing, it's a 'nice to have', not a necessity.

@IBradFrazer 3 месяца назад

CS:GO was great, but it was long past its prime. It was painfully in need of an upgrade graphically way back in 2019 never mind 2023. The gameplay got rather stale even after 3,000 hours for me. The only reason I continued playing was the simplicity of the game, which is a privilege nowadays because every shooter has so much plastered on the screen you have to overdose on Adderall just to read it all. I think Valve could have done a much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much better job at porting the game over, and did more to protect the unofficial game modes. The game simply wasn't ready in any way, shape or form, but Valve couldn't not release it because they wouldn't be able to make future content for CS2 while the game is still GO. There are still so many things broken in the game, and the cheating epidemic is only getting worse. What's it been, like, 1,000+ days since the last operation? Also, a lot of skins are still broken, and they seem to randomly change them several months down the line, which makes buying high-tier skins a gamble, and is slowly choking the market. It also doesn't help that they release an update every few weeks that has maybe 5 lines of fixes/changes that end up breaking 8 more things. And don't even get me started on that whole subtick bullshit. It was a fancy way of not giving players 128tick servers, and removing FACEIT's ability to run their servers at 128tick was all to get players to stop asking about it. It really feels like we're going backwards, not forwards.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

for sure. they really just gave us the bare minimum

@dagum1337 3 месяца назад

People forget when csgo was unplayable

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

true

@Bigmac-cr1dz 3 месяца назад

Yeah but at least during those time 1.6 or source didn't shutdown when transitioning to a new cs game so they could wait until csgo got better. But compared to now, we were forced to play cs2 since they deleted csgo and had no choice.

@dagum1337 3 месяца назад

@@Bigmac-cr1dz people forget what happened with source’s last patch and csgo too

@lopzaao 3 месяца назад

Bro the people playing this game are so stupid first they ask for a new game and then they they complain and say that they liked the old one

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

while yes, on the surface it seems to look like that, the old game was old and we wanted something better, we didn't get something better, we got something the merely looked better, but mechanically was a step down from what we had. We liked csgo better because it was somewhat stable, we asked for something better, something that would fix the old problems, cs2 really didn't do much, if any of that, collectively adding arguably worse problems along with it.

@NateT3 3 месяца назад

CSGO is too old and it was built on old Source Engine. CS2 is built on Source 2 Engine. if you ever work at least 1 day in your life you would understand this.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

I'm aware of that, what's your point? I'm aware that csgo was a mess in the coding department and needed to be updated to source 2 as a quality of life improvement for the Valve devs, the problems with the game on the consumer side is the fact that they leaned more heavily on the graphics department, which for a tactical shooter is a side quest compared to what we really want from cs, we played a drab, dead looking game for years, our problem wasn't the graphics. We didn't really want those. Would they be nice? Sure, but we just want to play the game we had been for over a decade now without as many issues. Which source 2 could've most certainly fixed and should've, but really didn't, as well as subtick being an absolute dogshit system to lean on, which brings more problems to the game such as peekers advantage being a significantly larger issue than in csgo. We wanted 128 tick, but instead, we're given a pile of polished horseshit with glitter on it.

@dagum1337 3 месяца назад

@@CodyCapone bro wrote a dissertation

@NateT3 3 месяца назад

@@CodyCapone Hit a nerve? "I'm aware of that". Then this video is pointless. Didn't read the rest of the yapping.

@mtbjon3587 3 месяца назад

No, YOU have a good day!

@arvidkellstrom2001 3 месяца назад

Csgo was a built like trash with alot of spagetti code and needed to be replaced at some point.

@CodyCapone 3 месяца назад

Even with that being true, csgo was still a cash cow, that was making BILLIONS for valve, the possible chance of that absolute behemoth of a money making economy disappearing would terrify me. I'm happy to see that didn't happen but still, the game needs more work that could've been done if the game would've been delayed. Good to hear your thoughts on this though, I appreciate your input :)