Why Didn't More Clones Betray the Republic like Slick? 

This! His methods might have been flawed, but his reasons were true!

The only issue is that by giving away information to the CIS, he got many of his brothers killed. That part is where the negative view comes from.

@@Ulrich111 true that never betray your brothers

Maybe he should have joined politics instead. Start a civil rights movement for clones

@@vikingsword3485 If You’re familiar with the Republic Commando novels you‘ll know that that wouldnt work out. Clones who disobey/don‘t want to fight anymore are executed by special hit squads. The Republic is every bit as dirty as the Empire, it‘s just not doing it openly.

Would have been more selective. Ahsoka, Anakin, Obi Wan, and Plo Koon would have been safe. Most other jedi would be killed though.

Which is one of the reasons why I hate the inhibitor chip retcon.

@@vetarlittorf1807 it could be there to make sure they fully comply.

That's probably why most of the galaxy didn't really bat an eye when Order 66 was executed and the Jedi were exterminated.

I think that, in some ways, the Jedi were viewed in the same light at the end of TCW that police in the US are starting to be looked at with. In today’s world where it’s so easy to take a video and share it with the world, police are getting caught committing unethical/immoral/illegal acts much more often. It’s not like they all of a sudden all started acting that way, it’s just so much easier to catch the ones that are gonna commit those acts and put them in the public spotlight. The Jedi always did things that were morally bankrupt. Not all of them did, but many did. And their organization was dogmatic to the point that those actions were considered acceptable - or even encouraged. The Clone Wars merely put them under near constant public spotlight and made it much harder for them to get away with it. By the end of the war, I’d say a sizable portion of the Republic’s citizens looked at the Jedi as - at the very least - a cumbersome and obsolete anchor. And an enemy of the people at the worst.

And all that for cheaper heroin smh

I was medically discharged from the British army during basic training and when I was there I heard lots of stories like that from their time in Afghanistan total waste of resources money! Ps I was falsely misdiagnosed from Britain's free health care (just goes to show it doesn't work) but I've re applied to join the cavalry hopefully be back in a uniform soon!

@@john.powell645 why would you want to join an army? And then the british at that.

@@georgemurdock7670 money and a trade so I can get the fuck off this tyrannical island

@@georgemurdock7670 it's not all bad, kid. You get paid, plus medical, dental and life insurance.. on top of a retirement, and disability benefits if you get hurt... there's also VA home loan benefits, which I used to buy my home and 11 acres of land. There is also money for college, as well as countless companies that give veteran discounts.... And if you get out of the military, picking up a job on the civilian side, or in Government is way easier when they see you've served.... Just cause it's not for you doesn't mean folks aren't monopolizing on those benefits...

Same. Then as a teenager I realized they literally bred slave-soldiers used by the Jedi as a convenient tool for the coming war, falling right into Palpatine’s trap. A true Jedi would have walked from the Order and the Republic that would use slaves to fight a war that’s not even their own. They truly lost their way when they joined the Republic as their so-called “protectors”. I lost respect for the prequel era Order because of this and a few other factors. They deserved to be purged.

calm and relaxed, soft on his troops, but a very cunning warrior who can get the job done. kinda like anakin but smarter, using vast strategies and often liking to resort to negotiations or peacefully deducting the situation

@@somebody7650 that's a great insight! I wouldn't imagine him being as always being on the offensive like others

I think he'd be similar to Plo Koon as well, chad strategist and force user

Hopefully a cook video. Generation kitchen

Man it's been so long since I had ewok jerky

I haven't had the privilege of trying ewok but maybe someday.

Actually in legends, there was X1 and X2. Both had force powers.

@@FriendlyKat Sure, but something like that should be cannon!

I think its because they're artificially created, clones of anything have no force connection, the same as droids. It would've been really cool however!

@@MrTrex245 Clones still have a connection to the Force, just look at Joruus C’Baoth. Hell, the Force connection is the reason that they have to grow clones so slowly; too much growth without time for the Force to connect makes violently insane clones.

I seem to recall in one of the games by Lucas arts that there were some few clones with force powers, also in the movies and books, weren't the imperial guard force sensitive clones? And Luke Skywalker was cloned, that's how his wife, succeeded in her last mission directive before marrying Luke. I'd be very surprised if Luke's clone wasn't force sensitive...

The sith kidnapped children from their parents. The jedi take children from their parents.

@@mattstorm360 The Jedi stole infants, whereas the Sith generally wouldn't accept anyone younger than 14 or so.

@@J7mmy2K04 And both take babies and indoctrinate them.

@@mattstorm360 at least with the sith you don’t have to worry about some bullshit code.

@@JV-ie4rh Or live with the fact you may never see your child again. But they got a bullshit code too.

Same thougth

Part of it comes from the fact that the people who were part of those forces were generally brought up to it. They were either multigenerational members or were selected to become a member at a young age. Additionally they were given rights and privileges that put them above "free" people. Janissaries for instance were allowed to loot captured cities for three straight days as well receiving their regular pay.

@@Loneguy22 how are Jannersaries slaves if they get paid?

@@theawesomeman9821 Actually it is hard to say if they were slaves per se. Many of them were Jews and Christians who were forcibly conscripted into Imperial service over a long period of time. That's really the only way they might be seen as slaves.

@@Loneguy22 ok

In other words he had never met a woman before.

In fairness, the Jedi were for the most part dragged into the Order and raised practically from infancy whether they wanted to be there or not, so it would have been hypocritical (even for the Jedi) to call that out in the Republic's treatment of the Clone Troopers.

@@tba113 And yet the Jedi were still treated as people by those on the outside. It's another showing that the Order wasn't upholding what the Republic was supposed to be (equality for all) but rather the Republic itself, regardless of what that Republic actually meant for its people.

@@morlath4767 Oh, we agree about that. I'm not absolving the Jedi here; it's just, I can see how _they_ wouldn't see anything fundamentally wrong with the Clones' arrangement. Even without going as far as bloodthirsty psychos like Pong Krell who intentionally got Clone Troopers killed out of spite, it's still reasonable that most Jedi might look at their own lives, compare them to the Clone Troopers' lot in life, and conclude that both groups had been marked from birth for a dangerous life of service to a Republic they will always be separate from. If the Clones were dealt a crummy hand by Fate, well, it's rough all around; being born into servitude is good enough for the Jedi, so it must be good enough for the Clones, too. Is that sort of thinking kind of monstrous? Of course, absolutely, but it's part of a larger issue with the Jedi that's been bothering me since Attack of the Clones: as much as the Jedi claim to be be contemplative planners who meditate deeply on events to foresee hidden pitfalls and unexpected dangers, they certainly fall prey to tunnel-vision-related surprises and betrayals an awful lot. Consider: an army larger than D-Day showed up out of fucking nowhere, locked and loaded for battle with their own armored vehicles, weapons, custom body armor, and fleet of warships, and the Jedi Order's response was "eh, seems legit". That is... Not the reaction of a meditative strategist or trained arbiter like the Jedi are supposed to be. ...Actually, I guess the Clones weren't "out of nowhere" from the Jedi perspective; it's worse than that, since prior to the Battle of Geonosis, the Jedi Order was convinced that Kamino _didn't even exist._ Doing a real heckuva job there, Chief Librarian Jocasta Nu... But then, the Jedi Order believing its own hype is pretty much par for the course, so I guess at least they're consistent.

@@tba113 The Order's biggest three problems by the time of the Clone Wars were: Yoda - The man was around since about 100 years post-Ruusan Reformation. He would have been raised on the initial propaganda of Jedi = Republic servants. Add in that the gremlin was a major pacifist to the point of non-action, and this became a rot from the top down. Even the Jedi confused age with wisdom and made out that Yoda could do no wrong. Reliance on the Force - This was more a problem with the upper tiers of the Order, but the Force aided visions and guidance was a massive crutch. To the point where once it was gone, the Order wasn't even capable of making sensible right/wrong decisions. They had given up their ability to proactively influence the galaxy. Once the Force became harder to read, they turned their attention to the Senate/Republic and used that as the light to their paths. Pure, unrestrained Jedi Arrogance - You brought up Jocasta and Kamino, but this is in everything the Jedi did. From Jinn's "this boy is the Chosen One, so I'm throwing m Padawan aside to train him" and outward, the Order came to feel that they were right simply because they were Jedi. If the Force couldn't tell them what to do, then they must do what they saw was Right. Now, this might seem like it clashes with the second issue. And it would. If the Jedi made sure to question themselves and everything else. But they didn't. They had their views and those were right, they had their knowledge and that was all there was to know. The Order had become a stagnant and crumbling organisation weighed down by its own hubris and self-importance. And Yoda was one of the major factors.

@@morlath4767 Finaly someone else who has a problem with how Qui gon treated Obi wan and outing Anakin as the chosen one.

When your at the fast food restaurant and see kids playing with lightsabers and the cashier calls order 66. "Good soldiers follow orders."

66th like.

I wonder if that was a quick thinking clone or that was the one with the droid parts fetish lmaoook

Just like the simulations

orders also get u killed eventually

Good orders follow soldiers.

The video game prequel to Episode II (cant remembe the name, but I think it was just Bounty Hunter or something like that) actually does explain that Jango wanted to leave behind a legacy; that's why he had Boba Fett made separate from the other Clones, so that he could have a son figure of his own to raise. The money and Jedi killing were just bonuses.

@@xvelvet3247 I like the sound of that. In the republic commando books they talk about Jango knowing order 66 was the end goal and that was why he did what he did

@@xvelvet3247 he’s a mandalorian foundling so it would make sense that he doesent like Jedi . As for boba , I think they mentioned in a comic that may or may not still be canon that the real reason he wanted a kid was to continue the legacy of the splitter group that his own father was part of that had been wiped out by death watch

@@rainquarm At this point in continuity, I feel like the idea was he had a metric Fuck ton of reasons to want to do this, so they're all pretty much validated by the material.

@@xvelvet3247 when you want a child to have a legacy but are to ugly for a girl

Laughs in shadow troopers

geetslys buys or imports his Ewok meat, generation tech have their own free range, non gmo, non blaster killed ewoks, plus they use all the Ewok the fur the bones its 100% reused, dont believe the Ewok propaganda, given the choice between an easy meal given to them or trying to murder a human to eat them, the ewoks always choose murder

Saw that yeah I voted geetsly but when I saw the results I instantly started laughing

Who would?

@@LysimedVenteel apparantly slick.

@@LysimedVenteel Slick didn't realize the power of the high ground

Agreed commander

@@ObiTheHomie dude shut up

Because Geetslys made a video about them

As I recall that particular Jedi was a Padawan, and under 18. But then again the Clone Commando was also technically underage

@@generaljimmies3429 I always find it crazy that Ahsoka is older than Rex, as for Etain I don't think she was underage but it's been a couple years since I read the Republic Commando novels.

Mistah Fox in the book it is made out she would be aged somewhere between 17-20. Still extremely young and naive poor thing :(

This is headcanon but I imagine that all the clones must go through standard training to serve as -cannon fodder- infantry, then when passing it and displaying attitudes more useful in other areas, they are moved to special training in tasks such as navigator or medic.

Weren't they specifically raised for that role? I think I remember reading somewhere that they were a separate strain, but maybe I'm mis-remembering.

@@Nx57ytre there are clones bread for piloting and with them being a bit smaller than other clones but they are not meant for front line fighting same with Navy they are train and bread for naval and not front line combat same with offensive clone like blaze trooper they are train and bread for What they are ment to do

Also fpr Stephen if a clone fails they are terminated or turn into janitors

For every one infantrymen, there are many others in non combat arms roles needed to support them IMO, breeding pilots, special forces, and administrative clones would be a bigger priority for the Clone Farm than the basic grunts

Except for the fact that it depends, Dooku himself said, "If we kill every Jedi who surrenders, we simply encourage them to fight to the death." Implying that they can take prisoners and not torture them, which they would not normally teach in The Clone Wars because the series is obviously pro-Republican, the CIS propaganda made them see them as slave victims of the evil Republic so it would make sense that for propaganda reasons treat them well, it is also known that prisoner of war camps existed and there are several examples of surrender negotiations (which usually end with Anakin and Obi wan committing a war crime), because these negotiations would exist if they were to execute all the clones ? It is simple, the answer is DEPENDS, the CIS was a very decentralized faction, each system practically does what it wants as long as it follows the general scheme of things, then a clone POW captured in for example Umbara, Mon Cala, Raxus, etc. ... He would not be executed, and he would be kept as a prisoner of war until the end of hostilities, on the other hand if you are captured by one of the megacorporations of the Separatist Council then that clone is screwed, but as I say depends, then the real reason why the fact that very few would join the CIS is because: -They are genetically designed to be loyal to the Republic, so to defect they would have to go against their own DNA. -Since their birth they are subjected to constant pro-Republican propaganda, so they have so internalized that loyalty that to desert would be to go against everything they have been taught throughout their lives. -Most clones see the clones they work with as brothers so if they don't accompany them it would be difficult to leave them behind. -Most clones that desert probably find it easier to get away from military life and live on some remote planet without further conflict. -If the Republic captured you trying to commit treason / desertion or they captured you after you had done it, you would be executed. -tHe SePaRaTiSt ArE bAd GuYs And tHe ClOnEs ArE gOoD gUyS sO tHeY can'T wOrK tOgHeThEr.

Didn'T he do a video like that recently?

@@olafgurke4699 he might’ve idk

In one point of view you are correct, Anakin had a strong devotion to the Jedi Order the same way as the clones had to each other. The major difference is that Anakin experienced a childhood before becoming a Jedi. He had a sense of the world outside while clones did not. Also Anakin had choices to either be reassign to other posts within the Order or he could leave like Asoka. This choice was denied of the clones.

Yeah it's like what's the point though?

@@ikedatike2533 I just find that Palpatine plan hinging on the CT turning on the Jedi via indoctrination/chips to be problematic. It worked at the time because Mace Windu confronted him and used it as a pretext for order 66 to be justified, but based on their personalities that develop what if the Clone Army just went on strike or as a whole defected? It would put a bit of a wrench in his plans

@@sergioruiz733 You may be right there. I do think if the clones failed Palps would use the droids to get his stuff done. Also, he did stop mostly using clones during the empire's reign except for Vader's fist and some others.

@@thirdplanet4471 Im just saying he'd need to justify the use of droids and overall their effectiveness against the Jedi comes into question. Also yes he did stop using clones or at least eased their i involvement or use post order 66, but they were necessary for his plans to work.

Delicious ewok steak

Lol

Yea that leg lock he did to Rex was brutal

He was right but lacked the mental maturity and experience to come up with a more thoughtful plan to free his cloned brothers.

Cut deserted because of his unique experiences. This is something The Clone Wars tried to get across: you can have millions of clones of the same person, but a difference in circumstances will lead to them making different decisions and having different personalities. Even the clones themselves prided themselves on some degree of individuality; thus the different hairstyles, tattoos, armour customisation etc. The Bad Batch post order-66 shows how this has been stripped away from the remaining clones; only the officers are allowed different armour, and only so far as to keep their designation of rank and NONE of the clones are referred to by name any more.

Exactly

@@ObiTheHomie yeah sad

Because there where other orders on that chip and order 66 was the 66s order.

The 6th letter of the alphabet is F. So replace the numbers with letter and you get order FF. In military terms FF means Friendly Fire. I very nice touch by George

Good point George Murdock but the chips where only made for 1 thing, order 66 so how would it be the 66th order

@@IsaacGamingYT366 there was a list with others so it would be less sus when it would be discovered

Ok ok fine I agree

Clones are people and not all people are good, there were quite a few psycho clones that only sought to harm and massacre their enemies, in the same way that some were so loyal to their orders that they had practically no emotions and would be more than willing to burn worlds if ordered to do so, just as there were even some killer clones that aimed to kill senators who could be a threat to Palpatine, etc ...

Same, the assassin….right?

they did though, but jedi pulled rank instead of just trusting their commanders

Nope sorry man

Only in the Republic, give the man a gun before he develops the emotional maturity to handle it!!! Joking.

@@hackman669 they gave me a gun at 18 in the USMC.