Why didn't the Elves attack Angband? 

interesting points about the geography inside the gates of Angband. A Valar can shape mountains after all, so Angband is no doubt entirely be shaped like a nightmare for the attackers.

Elves should have started biological warfare and started plating trees and flowers near Angband. Morgoth would hate it so much, he would have attacked.

Morgoth must have had a pretty efficient logistics network (...maybe they got help from a certain order loving Mayar later known as Sauron on designing it) to grow their army while under siege. Basically all the infrastructure from food to water to weapons manufacturing and raw material harvesting/refining to training grounds to living quarters to waste disposal to pits where dragons grew and lived to prisons, torture chambers and other places of suffering, were underground and in Angband. This means the true size of Angband was in all likelihood, even accounting for supernatural powers, truly gigantic. And all of it had to be self-sufficient too, because unless there were secret tunnels allowing for small shipments to come and go, anything else would have been noticed and stopped. Everything thus was made, produced, grown, or sources from within Angband itself. So for a complete and utter nihilist, Morgoth sure put a lot of time, though and effort into working on their logistics. Especially as Angband probably also had a pretty sophisticated (or at least very functional) air circulation/ventilation system to ensure breathable air was present/toxic gas buildup wasn't an issue for all the underground sections, and likely this had to make sure of mechanical methods to function. A lighting system would also come in handy for at least a part of the labyrinthine complex for those beings that more preferred a lamp to work over darkness, so all this would mean they also needed some form of power grid/source of power to keep things running, be it machines, or enslaved elves put to work.

Great video, so basically the siege of angband was the best the elves could hope for out of no other better options. Giving them four hundred years of relative peace to build up their forces. Which unfortunately avail them nothing due to bad intelligence and disunity preventing them from Making use of their full force when morgoth broke the siege.

Thanks again kind Sir, great vid. When you addressed the posed question directly with a profound "NO, a cataclysmically emphatic NO!" I laughed and immediately hit the 'Subscribe' button, recognizing your adherence to reality, not a feeble attempt to garner support for a disastrous consideration! Thanks again, look forward to viewing more of your skilled work. :)

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Because Death, that's why. Elf Lord: "Any of you invulnerable?" Elf Army:.... Elf Lord: "Than we shant be fucking with that there Fortress today!"

The answer is quite easy. Angband is one big selfsustaining bunker complex with everything it needs to survive The assault of non "Godlike" powers.

I enjoyed this, or at least found it interesting.

Fingolfin did....

Angbang lol

You should make a Mysteries of Middle Earth installment concerning the "Sea snakes" that are referenced in the books and other marine monsters of Arda, I don't think anyone has adressed this on RU-vid before.

Darth Gandalf Best Gandalf

WHERE WAS ANGBAND WHEN THE WESTFOLD FELL

Do a video about Sauron's first victory against the elves and his isle of werewolves, and its ultimate downfall, would be an interesting video.

I think that the answer is obvious, Morgoth… While he certainly had lost some of his strength from him imbuing it into Arda to corrupt it as well on the creatures of Arda including the warping of some unfortunate elves to create orcs, and can’t forget the Maiar. Anyways it’s said that Morgoth was only matched in power by the Manwe. In fact it took the host of the Ainur, in order to subdue him, as well as fend off his regular corruption of Arda. Their also would have been who knows how many Balrog would be within the stronghold. I know that Fingolfin challenged him to a duel and did injure him, I think in a huge all out battle, Morgoths weapon Grond which is described as coming down like lightning and it caused fissures in the ground, so I imagine he would just be smashing any kind force that came within Gronds striking range.

Against the power of Thangorodrim, there can be no victory....

The siege was an AngBandaid solution at best.😂

What would you have done in the elves stead? How would you have solved the Morgoth problem? Just grow your forces more than the enemy. Try to make more allies with the valar to the west or the men and dwarves to the east. Fortify the border and besiege Morgoth as long as possible. Attack earlier and try to keep Morgoth from recovering.

Quality video on a topic that has been the debate on many forums or countless nights in front of a fireplace.

Numbers, geography and politics.

Why didn't the elves track the orc raiders to the entrance of Angbands caverns? They could launch small expeditions to assess the impact the siege was having on Morgoth's forces.

"Attacking Angband would resolved into a gangbang" -FAquotes

I always thought the elves' war against Morgoth was kind of hopeless right from the start. It's like: Really? You want to fight a literal god? You got anything that can kill a god? No? Then what the hell are you expecting to accomplish with this war? I mean Fingolfin's bravery and heroism is unparalleled, but seriously: Did he really expect to win?

Thanks! This was a very interesting video, and answered a question which I had pondered for a long time! There was never much hope that the elves would have been able to defeat Morgoth unaided, but I always thought that their best chance to make an attempt would have been after the Dagor Aglareb. Since they had utterly destroyed the armies of Morgoth at that point, if they began a direct assault upon Angband (rather than a siege which would have done little except delay the inevitable), there might have been a slim chance of success. I see that the elves were prevented from doing so by their lack of information, and their disunity, as well as a myriad of other factors. And even if they had done so, they would have most likely failed. It is interesting, how Morgoth seems like an enemy who can physically be defeated by the exiled elves. It is in theory possible to defeat his armies and to slay him, and it seems at points that the exiles come breathtakingly close to doing so... And yet in reality, they are so, so far away! Regarding Gwindor, I do not think he got anywhere near as close as Morgoth's throne room, though I may be wrong. I believe he only got past the very outermost gates, and into the courts just outside the main gate, before being trapped. It is said in The Children of Hurin that "they burst through the outer gates and slew the guards within the very courts of Angband, and Morgoth trembled upon his deep throne, hearing them beat upon his doors" which implies that they only got into the courts, whereas Morgoth was deep down below them. I think that Gwindor could not anyway have gotten past all the mazes of Angband to reach Morgoth's throne room. Rather, the mere knocking of Morgoth's doors at the surface is enough to make him tremble in terror deep underground.

🤟 ANGBANG GANG REPRESENT! 🤟

I didn't think Elves matured that slowly. Slower than men but physically not by that much. I would have thought it to be on the order of 2-2.5 generations of Men.

With the lifespans of elves and that much of Angband was likely underground, they should have started rerouting a river into the gates!

Awsome vid man loved it! Shame the 1st age elves couldnt get their shit together

For years I crawled the dungeons of terminal angband and I still don't really know where I was.

a much better what if is what happens if fingolfin actually kills the then very weakened Morgoth, and the aftermath directly after. Even if Morgoth eventually reforms, his armies would at best have been forced out of angband due to no longer being able to avoid hunger(wheter Morgoth allowed them to ingore such due to his own magical power sustaining them, or had some magical underground farming system we dont know, but we know he somehow did, but it seems guaranteed that this would vanish with him) and the barren wastes of the north, or at worst, ripped themselves apart in a brutal evil civil war, as at this point Sauron was not strong enough to be the clear and undisputed next dark lord. How the elves might react in such a scenario, and the political borders and alliances that would have come as a result seems interesting at the very least.

For some reason I read this as Why didn’t the Elves attack Angmar

I guess it is for the same reason attackers besiege a castle rather than storm it. Also, it's a story about the Eldar consistently being their own worst enemies.

Could you make a Video about what if the free people won the battle of unnumbred tears?

How did Morgoth feed his forces during the siege? Let alone increase them? Was he draining his own power the whole time?

Ang Bang? *facepalm* lmao

I love your videos! The tone is right where it should be and the discussion of the political dimention is what I was really missing! Thank you very much!

very interesting and well detailed

that closing pun... I'm not sure if you should be proud or ashamed!

Darth if you were sauron, during the war with the elves in eriador, what would you have done differently??

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Why would they? Angband is a good dude. That was a trick question wasn't it.

Maedhros is pronounced "mai-thros" btw :)

So the host of Angband was a well sized troupe, while the Noldor had a lot of lead guitarists busy working on their emo riffs. :)

hey good work, would be nice if u make something like mystery creatures of middle earth?

Basically the elves weren't having enough sex

Yes, but how was Morgoth feeding his armies when they all lived underground in the barren rock? Where did they source food from? Secretly via the far east by the Easterlings? Did Morgoth will his minions through starvation? In theory the Elves partial siege could have worked if the supply lines were cut off and, demonic Valar or not, Morgoth can't muster his dark armies if there's not enough food.

To be fair Maedhros was a great leader and close second to Fingolfin so his brothers basically treating him as high king wasn’t as bad as it sounds, since basically Maedhros was a second high king in the east and unlike Fingolfin Maedhros actually held out and pushed as many forces of evil back

Ang bang... It works

first age is the best age

You do are very Great job

What did the orcs eat?

Didn't it turn into the nightmare of the Fifth Battle, the Nirneath?

TIL that when thousands of orcs have their way with you underground, that is called an "Angbang". Interesting.

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I wonder why, during the siege of Angband, the elves didn't encircle Thangorodrim with fortifications. Walls and towers weren't beyond the Noldor given the hundreds of years they had. 🫥