I can tell you exactly what happened as an automotive engineer. Meeting 1: “we have a service issue, we need to access this fastener for our 75,000 mile service interval. Okay we can put a hole there”. Meeting 2-30 the sheet metal team was not talked to by the engine team and the fastener was moved for some other issue. 1.5 years later they discover the problem in the second round of test vehicles. “Oh shit we already paid for the sheet metal dies and they have a 20 month lead time” So they quickly implement a service procedure fix to get around the issue. Guarantee you the engineer who moved the fastener told his manager. I also guarantee you that manager or the sheet metal engineering manager didn’t do their fucking job. Neither did the systems engineering manager who is supposed to be tracking this kind of stuff. Ask me how I know.
You can't tell us to ask a question and not answer it.. also, when you do answer it can you reply to this message so I can see your answer? Thanks bud... very interesting breakdown.
@@nathanstewart2168 I’ve sat in plenty of these design reviews. I had a similar issue on the rear axle of the latest GM trucks where they could not be made because someone did not think about a new process and did it the old way anyway. These cars are designed by teams of 3-4,000 people. The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing because they are not well run. It has gotten even worse now that they don’t pay people to stay and turn-over is high.
The real answer. Shit comes up you have checkpoints where some dude needs to make sure you can finish a product in time, and sometimes in the crunch you bring something out that works good enough for THEM and they want to get it out NOW. Also sometimes the timeline that they give you when you're doing your initial design isn't the timeline you're actually getting. Or it just straight up isn't enough time for the shit they want from you from the very start.
Holy Christ if i had the amount of time needed to make sure everything was correct, this sort of stuff wouldn’t be an issue. Not to mention struggling to give two rats when the pay sucks.
I want to believe this but when literally every vehicle out there has at least a few, if not several issues like this I lean towards it being intentional rather than rushing or incompetence. With the collective decades of experience that an engineering team draws on when designing something as complex as an automobile, typically coming together over the course of several years, I have doubts that the stupid engineering choices boil down to "we were getting rushed".
This is exactly the comment I was looking for. Engineers only give a fuck about how complex they can make a system so they can feed their massive egos. I've worked with dozens and dozens of engineers over the years. I have yet to meet one who preferred simplicity over complexity. Not a single one.
I’m not an engineer but my wife is. One of her coworkers actually helped design the engine layout of a fort pickup truck back in like the 70s (guy is pushing 80 and refuses to comply retire) and he was told back then to intentionally make certain aspects of the layout harder so it would be more difficult for diy repairs and they would have to get it professionally serviced… this was 50 years ago THEN! I cannot imagine how much BS corporate culture is pushing that now.
@@marke8930wow dealer mechanics. Geez, I wonder what would a low class working family with no money to afford a dealer mechanic have to do to be able to fix something dealer mechanics find difficult and/or have all the special tools they need to fix some contraption that could be easily resolved by designing it simpler 🤔🤔🤔🤔? Kinda sounds to me like repairs are hard to DIY on purpose and that money was supposed to go for the dealer they were only thinking about. Considering your dealer mechanic making repairs vs a normal slim-to-none car knowledge person trying to DIY issues are two totally different concepts.
Well, that’s sometimes all we have. Maybe the hole was lining up with the bolt when it was new. But engine and transmission mounts do collapse over time and things get out of line.
@@TimJaeger-lh3yh I feel you... But a good engineers usually test things. Oh I forgot, testing is expensive. And good, experienced engineers who know how things work, ask for so much money! So the management says - why hire such guy, when we can have someone straight after studies, asking for 1/3rd of that wage? And let's give him our toughest and most complicated stuff to design. Especially when he's inexperienced - he will not whine about why this is too thin, why we can't do it this way, why we can't weld that cover over the most service requiring parts of the machine... :D
@@MotorcycleRebuildsyou clearly don’t listen. He said that you have to drop the motor 3 inches. So the motor mounts have nothing to do with this piss poor design.
That’s your problem you guys think oh it works on my computer must work in real life. Well 9/10 it doesn’t. So how about put some actual thought into the shit y’all design and stop leaving us trade guys to fix your dumbass ideas. Cause it’s not just you design mechanics that do this shit. Guys that design intricate builds love to do shit that just makes absolutely no sense.
I think that placing a hole in front of a screw does not cost more than placing it 3 cm higher... Stop making excuses for these guys. They are just ignorant and incompetent.
@@Auroche no it doesn't lol, every change involves moving other components around. Sometimes to make it easier to access, we design a more complex system to reduce the labor time, but it requires more material, and this more cost. This often gets shut down in the favor of saving money, and the labor time gets extended because we had to take shortcuts to save material. Then the mechanics get screwed over because the insurance often only allows a certain amount of billable hours. If the insurance only covers a 5 hour repair, and it takes the Mechanic 9 hours, the mechanic only gets paid 5 hours
As an engineer I can explain. The tensioner was placed. Then the hole was placed to allow for tooling. Then an issue arose later requiring a slight translation of the tensioner's location and the engineers failed to annotate the tooling hole association. These associations are fixed in a lot of model-based definition designs today by forcing an association between the CAD parts in programs like CREO. Anyway...it isn't that they hate you...they just don't think of you at all.
As a machinist who makes the stuff engineers come up with, I agree. Engineers simply are oblivious to how anything is made and draw up prints like two year olds. I can't tell you how many prints I've had to correct, guess, fix, re-make, make calls on and the engineers just sit there with their mouth hanging open. I don't understand why engineers make so much money. I do all the work.
@@Moonless6491 You can just do it all. Whence cometh being a lowly machinist? You can start your own company. Probably missing out on a big opportunity.
i call BS on that, engineers couldnt identify a problem if it had bells and whistles on it with a sign saying hey you dumba$$ im a problem grow a braincell and think of a way to fix me
Engineer here. I'm actually the one that designed the frame to have that clearance hole. I remember modelling it while rubbing my shitty beard and going "yeah.. fuck you"
Maintenance and serviceability is purposely engineered like this to make difficult for one to repair these newer models unless the are a qualified ASE certified mechanic. Meaning: more money is to be made for the automotive industry. What this young lad is pointing out is painfully obvious of being a shitty engineering design. Welcome to the real world young blood. I say let's put Jesus Christ in charge instead of these greedy halfwits that rule over us. Sound good? 😀👍
Used to work as a mechanic. Customer pays for the book time it takes to complete. If it says it takes 5 hrs then you get paid for 5 hrs even if it takes you 10
I completely relate to this. I’m an engineer who actually likes building & repairing things, but I firmly believe that engineers should be required to work hands-on with their own designs.
Yeup. Am an engineer in the ag industry. I do hands on with almost all of my designs. The hard part comes when some companies have unions. Engineers can't go hands on, cause you're "taking the job" of the techs...
That's the biggest issue, not many engineers get field experience. I'm an electrical engineer at a utility and still have to get out to the field or talk to construction about things. Isn't til you get some field work that you really get the full picture
They don't let you do that anymore because it is 'too dangerous' and 'you aren't trained for it so you can't do it' like they said that my engineering team can't solder on its own anymore because we need lead solder and lead is apparently too dangerous for people with phd's to handle because they weren't specifically trained for that.
That's not an access hole. That is a fixture hole that is used when welding the body together at the factory. If the engineers were aware you were using it as an access hole they would figure out a way to delete it and make you remove the engine.
I laughed way too hard at this 😂 but it's accurate. They would say it's not rated for torque to be passed through the structural tin can they cobbled together
Engineers are at the mercy of the company. They say make them think an attempt was made, but in the end still may just decide to go to the dealer for repairs.
No, they’re not. The company doesn’t have any idea why engineers do what they do. It’s why they hired engineers; To do stuff they don’t understand. They expect engineers to improve their product gradually, but ultimately, it’s the engineers that decide how things get done.
@@knifedance2402 Wow. Where the hell is a company that has so little control? All those engineers that were hired have engineers as bosses. Those bosses are the bridge between the company and the work staff. Im one of those bosses.
What probably happened is the team working on the tensioner forgot to mention to the body people they moved the tensioner slightly because they don't deal will access issues and don't have to think about it. The two teams designing this aren't at fault, it's the 3rd team of system engineers that failed to notice and by the time it was noticed, during manufacturing probably, it was too costly to change according to the accountants, so blame them as well.
And that is because they don't know how to actually speak or talk anymore, and forgot to send the email to the other team. In other words, all they care about is showing up to collect a paycheck like anyone with a job anywhere these days.
It's the same in civil engineering lol. Architect: This is my finest design and it will look amazing! Mr. Civil, make this work! Civil: *Looks at existing contours* 😨😨🫨🫨😵💫😵💫
Two possibilities: 1. They did it on accident. Trust me, that is possible. 2. They did it on purpose to piss of mechanics "encouraging" owners to bring it into the dealers. You be the judge.
Honestly, my theory is that it’s made much harder to prevent the layman from doing the maintenance themselves. Get people to take it to the dealership.
No, it was designed to be installed as part of the front assembly, which includes suspension and steering parts. It was designed to just slip up and be bolted into place. They never thought about anything other than time for install and saving money by using already existing parts to cut costs for higher profit margins out the door. That may not have been the initial design engineers thought as that part gets warped once production engineers get their hands on it as they have to find ways to get the same result at a cheaper price.
As a nissan owner I agree. I feel like they only design shit with the part there bolting on and the peice it bolts onto completely ignoring everything else around it
Im going to presume theres another engine option available on that vehicle where the hole lines up, but they didnt bother changing the body to account for those changes in other configurations.
@@Giborski well a company that is not a piece of retarded shit would just have 2 holes. One would work with one engine option and other would work with other engine option.
@@TealJosh that's normally true depending on the project. But I've seen a few engineers who are very careful and get it right the first time more than not. But these use a lot of time in doing so. Others just want to buzz on our and get home to a beer every night like a young construction worker. These tend to be more sloppy and take little pride in their work. I often wonder why they got into engineering, with no passion for the work at all. For 13 years I lead an engineering team. One of my engineers made a lot of mistakes and I started to get a lot of complaints from our technicians. I took them seriously and listened to what they had to say. I asked, "how much time per week would you say you have to fix his mistakes" to which they responded, "about two to four hours and sometimes s little more". I thought about this for a bit and responded, "this engineer does three times the work of my other engineers. I don't want to ask him to slow down because he is very productive. But I will spend some time with him to improve his accuracy". I asked for a few months to improve things and the technicians agreed. The engineer did show down a little and his accuracy really improved. This engineer was one of the few who took personal responsibility for high output and kept an eye on the calendar. He was like a unicorn and I miss him.
Lol they literally type out the service procedures step by step with pictures so the field technicians don’t even have to pay close attention one time or remember how to do anything, except for how to read and follow directions. Some just forget they can read over time and some live in complete denial of the service manuals existence. When you can’t figure a repair out just ask yourself, which one are you. And then go read some tsb’s and search for service procedure updates and check for special tools. If after all that you are still baffled only then can you start cursing the engineers in preparation for calling tech support hotline.
I'm actually an aircraft mechanic but I've done lots of prototype work where I've had to work closely with engineers. I've asked engineers why the hole in the bulkhead that's used to remove a bolt can't just line up with the bolt rather than making the mechanics remove half the accessories, or jack the engine to get to that bolt. They just look at me like I've asked the stupidest question ever. It's a matter of respect and that's why the old engineers tend to be successful with a whole lot less effort, they listen. I get the impression that most engineers never even talk to the mechanic. I'll have to admit that some manuals are very well written but the design process rarely seems try and simplify the maintenance process. In the end, the customer is the one who suffers.
@@jaxturner7288I probably have more training hours and certifications than you could even dream of. If you've done vehicle repairs or recalls half the pictures are not of "complete" vehicles they're of staged models. The repair procedure and TSBs can only get you so far The fact is engineers only know X+Y=Z (because math said so)...
@@jaxturner7288As a mechanic and restoration hobbyist you’re dead wrong And I could bet anything that not only have I been working on cars And tractors probably longer then you’ve been alive I’ve one hundred percent read more service manuals Engineers simply make mistakes due to oversight. It’s not unheard of it’s not because people can’t read it’s because it’s just a simple disconnect from the reality of having to service or maintain something they’ve designed. An engineer can be overwhelmed with figuring out how to get everything to fit and function properly in a design so it’s only natural that sometimes quality of life for servicing is put on the back burner It’s a pain in the ass but it’s just how the world is it’s not like engineers Are dumb or have some sort of grudge. It’s just oversight it happens with everything But boy let me tell you when you work on some things it really really does seem like the engineer was huffing glue but I think we usually know deep down that nothing can be perfect and every product And profession can and will have its own quirks
theres less than an inch clearance to put those attachments on and TORQUE it in a small area. this is not smart and doesn’t convince any one human or otherwise that we are smart
@@regiscidal9078 pretty sure all Torque spec's are just, so tight you cant turn it by hand and 3 taps with a hammer. Of course the factory wouldn't tell you.
Slapping engineers will result in access holes being moved sideways from that point on. Not only will we make you drop the engine, we'll force you to tilt it as well.
I used to work for a car dealership back in OKC. As an employee i had to sit in on a few dealer meetings with corporate headquarters. These "hard to work on" designs are done intentionally at the explicit request of the dealers. The intention is to drive revenue to the dealership. Most if most all auto manufacturers do it. The dealers would complain directly to corporate in these meetings about how easy a particular car, sub assembly, or part was to replace or fix. Certain models of cars didn't get priority sales placement on the dealership lot, specifically because that particular model did not generate enough continuing or return revenue. There actually exists a book written by the auto manufacturer that estimates the amount of expected profit based on the type of vehicle, mileage and when parts are expected (engineered) to fail. I've sat in when dealers have threatened lawsuits against corporate because they weren't making enough money on repairs (cars weren't falling apart fast enough, or customers were taking them to independent mechanics to get the work done for less)...#FACT! There's a reason cars are hard to work on and it isn't because they are infinitely complex.
As a software engineer, I can confidently say it was because we have never once spoken to the mechanical engineers that sit about 60 feet away from us.
@@zbou23as an engineer, it's because they probably aren't even on the same continent as each other and one part was designed for a completely different car.
You pretty much got it. Budget allows for a certain amount of labor, then the head of the dept says "send the cost to maintenance" because they're only really worried about their bonus, they might not even be there next year.
Thats what happens when you give 30 people access to a cad file and you have a huge pile of notes that you cant get through and you don't let the first shift polish the design on top of a huge time crunch, engineers didn't do anything on purpose
Ok thats fair on an engine, but when you have to disassemble a whole door for a fuckin door handle. Only like five things in a car door, why they all gotta cover the one torx bit that needs to come off to switch the handle. On second thought, the fact cars use torx bits is proof engineers do this shit on purpose. I have the same hex socket set, flat head, and Phillips head bits from when i started years ago, any torxbits i use regularly are max 8 months before they sheer, and the bolts strip more often.
It's immaterial that you need to replace a torx bit slightly more often if it speeds up automated mass production and leads type a more consistent torque. Let's do it the dumbest way possible because it's easiest for you mentality. The cost of putting one straight blade screw on there just so you can have a slightly easier time is in the realm of tens of thousands of dollars minimum.
Guys, you don't understand, it's not the engineers fault, its the fact that the project manager isn't an engineer so they don't care that the car isn't done.
This. I once got a call to weld a hydraulic suspension line on a Mercedes. Customer was an engineer for Boeing, and he somehow thought that epoxy was gonna fix the hydraulic line that he literally cut in half for whatever reason. Engineers are just tards who get paid to overthink everything.
@@criticaltexan2334and then focus on the wrong thing, and are paid to screw over others who will work on the product later on, thereby netting those mechanics(/whomever) a bigger paycheck due to more work done due to bad design? Is that an innocent enemy or a mischievous ally? We're all just dumbass humans, nobody cares unless they choose to. Who would? We dont get paid enough.
From what i know its mostly the ceos and stockholders who make this happen. The workers and designers would rather it work as intended and make something good.
Accountants and managers have more influence in the decision making than the engineers. I always try to k.i.s.s. but if someone says otherwise with more clout I can do shit about it
No, the people at the top WANT it to be as hard as possible to repair the cars, so all the dealer specfic tools are needed to fix your car. They want them to be as hard to repair as cell phones
Engineer definitely identified the issue in the design process. Told lead engineer of the issue. Was told to come up with a solution. They did so. Bean counter then came in and said make it even cheaper. The end
I think most of these kinds of things happen because it's different engineers working on different subsystems of the car at the same time and they never communicate between eachother very much. And they are engineered to be cheap and easy to assemble at the factory.
@@HellcatGamin you do know there are more than 1000 people that are involved in designing, and developing cars. So no it is not intentional just managed poorly
There are actually mechanics that prove the ability to service. It's a requirement to pass this tollgate. There is a procedure you are paid to do, so use it..
I loved how Audi did this on the older models. you get your audi tool for the job, fit it on the front, and then you can take the whole front of the car and drag it out, giving you plenty of room to work on the front of the engine.
I honestly think these companies are doing it on purpose the same way they're purposefully doing it with technology, phones in particular, with the idea being the harder they make it to fix your own stuff, the more likely you are to pay them to fix it for you like at a dealership.
In a few years, you won't be able to change brakes! Some buick/chevy crossovers if you disconnect the battery.. the dealer has to flash the memory! $$$$$$$$$
I’ve been repairing phones for about 10 years. It’s way easier now than 10 years ago, and parts are easier to get. Heck, now you can even find a high res video explaining how to replace surface mounted components.
Design Engineer: Dwg has it 3" higher. You need to talk to the production dept. Production Engineer: Our line follows the quality standards, they didn't give us a noncomformance on this. Talk to them. Quality Engineer: Yeah, everything cant be perfect. Just drill a new access, and please send me a report on this issue. Technician: 🤬
I understand the frustration...usually there's a few cuss words and a busted knuckle before I just drill another hole and then ask myself why the hell didn't I do that to begin with.
As an engineer: Don't just drill holes into the body of a car... We do a lot of computer modeling to end up at the exact shape a car body is... Drilling random holes into a cars messes with that a lot. :(
@@RoonMian So you being an engineer, answer me this then. Why is is that you people make shit so hard to work on without special tools or having to pay someone a ridiculous amount of money to fix a problem that would otherwise be an easy fix.
@@jeramypompa You figure it out. They don't want you fixing it. They want you to go broke, paying a dealer shop and/or buying an overpriced one time tool, and/or buy a brand new even bigger piece of junk. Planned obsolescence.
Exactly. One time I tried to explain to an engineer that what he wanted was straight up impossible. Hes response was: "I'm the one who as the engineer degree, so just do what I say". I obviously did not, so he proceeded do call his boss to the job site. Resolution: as soon as his boss listened to what he wanted, he fired him on the spot.😂 His boss was pissed. It wasn't the first time he f up.
I got an answer for that! In one of the revisions, the bolt was lined up with the access hole. One thing lead to another, and they had to move the tensioner bolt, but forgot to move the access hole before the plans got approved and sent off for production. This happens a lot when you run into unexpected issues and have deadlines to meet.
@@UN4SS1GN3Dnot really. It’s extremely unrealistic to have to do a redesign and then recheck every single part and potential access port affected before resending. It’s still a shitty mistake to make, but that’s how iterative designing works
Welcome to capitalism and its shareholders requiring their short-term quarterly profits at any cost, and thus forcing the workers of the companies they're investing in to work quickly and release even quicklier, disregarding any issues that don't directly lead to major failure.
As a computer engineer, I completely agree any engineer worth their salt should be able to put together and take apart the thing they design before presenting it as a possible solution ask by the company.
This is why I like working on older cars. They were designed with maintenance and repairs in mind. They wanted you to enjoy your vehicle and take pride in maintaining it. So when you went to buy a new one, you would buy the same brand. Modern vehicles are disposable appliances. Designed to meet government requirements and last until a day after the warranty expires. Then they expect you to trade it in and get a new one. They don't think about anything past the warranty. And half the time they're scrambling to make it last that long
Thing is modern cars can last a long time. People have gotten lazy. Nobody is willing to actually fix it themselves. Old cars break down a lot so you learn to to fix it. Modern cars break down so infrequently that nobody bothers the learn to fix.
No u don’t… one thing to build it… another thing to fix it with rusted bolts and car parts that falling apart or rusted beyond 😂… I take your job building it brand new
I actually worked with these engineers before. I made a machine that scans all these features like holes, studs and the bends and twists of the metal itself. This is 100% from CAD model revision problems. Someone designing one part didn't get the memo from someone designing another part, then it all went to get stamped and molded, and there ya go... version mismatch and your hole exists in the wrong spot. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
@@WildBikerBill Exactly. The more people I met in the Auto / Aero industry, the more I realized it was just a bullshit jobs program. Most of the money comes from the Fed to prop up GDP anyway. They try to subdivide every possible job into another dozen specialists, where one guy could literally design the whole car with expert-level CAD knowledge. Instead everybody knows just a little bit, and they're tasked with busywork nonsense 80% of the time. Then it creates more bullshit jobs by wasting the time of mechanics; people that actually do work for a living.
Knowing your product is important, although this seems like neglect issue due to one person or a team of engineers or designers. Either the head engineer was never aware of this issue or just did not care.
@@Mr_Average98 I'd say 90% of the time it's because of corporate pressure to finish something quicker than it deserves to take. The other 10% of the time is when we're just straight up dumbasses, which is like 50% of the time.
As an engineer, that was probably something that was changed well after the fact to where the access hole became an afterthought. You don’t realize the stupid amounts of paperwork and loopholes and all we have to jump through to make the smallest of changes. Then, on top of it, when we find an issue, we can’t even fix it unless someone else initiates it because “we don’t have funding for that”. So, stop blaming engineers, blame upper management and the penny pinching department
It's hard to believe our government bureaucracies are dramatically more inefficient than the mess that is the U.S. automaker hegemony. And yet they still somehow manage it!
Also people don't realize how big the engineering teams on projects like this are. The guy who placed the tensioner the first time, the guy who placed the access hole, and the guy who moved the tensioner later might not even know each other...
Ok for example Citroën C4 Picasso 1,6l 4 zylinder DPF... i am a mechanic and worked at this pos multiple Times. This thing is a pure flip of to the mechanic that works on it. The cabletree is on the backside of the engine, just why. You need to remove the engine from the car because you can't get to it from belowe eather. Maybe its just a french thing because i don't know, but every time i work on a french car... I find bs like this. At work we flip coins to Design who has to work on these so yeah, thx for that bullshit.
@@alsatianx4748 Because the primary goal of the engineering team is to make the vehicle easy to manufacture. That cabletree is very easy to access on the assembly line, before the engine is mounted in the car. And that's the most important factor. Engineers don't hate mechanics; they don't think about mechanics at all. Or at most an occasional afterthought.
The person who timed that job for The Labor Time Guide, if your shop uses one, has the responsibility for the correct calculation. If the calculation for labor time is too short they must be blamed not the engineer.
I guarantee it's not the engineers but upper management making these decisions. Been in too many meetings where engineers say "This design will be very time intensive to repair" and a manager basically replies "that's not our concern once the check clears."
What's somewhat insane to me, even from the perspective of sheer fucking greed, is no managers give a fuck about legacy, they don't give a fuck about longevity - like why? It's in *THEIR* interest to do it well, so that the next sale and product has an even stronger launching base, not a weaker one
@@THCLK finding flaws in the aerodynamicity of the paneling, creating excess drag? No probably not. Pointing out a hole that needs to be moved? I'd certainly hope so
$5 says they put some sort of line or wire where you wanna drill. Lmao. Drill that hole and have no breaks or ac, or even lose your tail lights or some weird shit. Engeniers are a crafty lot
Then the customer returns it saying their AC stopped working and the radio turns off when coming to a stop and both worked before they brought it in so you need to fix it. A customer wouldn’t know where a lug nut is if you asked them but they’d sense a disturbance in the force the moment a totally painless and harmless access hole were to be drilled into their baby. I used to own f-body cars (1993-2002 Chevy Camaros and Pontiac Firebirds/Trans-Ams) and a common method for changing the fuel pump out was to just saws-all a hole in the rear hatch area. It turns a 10+ hour job dropping everything out of the rear into a 30 minute job being careful with the saw.
It’s not that they hate you, it’s that there are hundreds of different engineers working on that one car, multiple design revisions and changes, and that sometimes they miss something.
The engineer who designed that engine never imagined 15 years later they'd still be using it and cramming it into a different car. So, blame the bean counters.
Oh how genius! Why not make it so every fastener uses it's own special tool for its own bespoke removal procedure! It's so much better than having univeral tools that can perform a variety of jobs and designing the machine around the capabilities of those already existing and abundant tools that a majority of people could have access too. They should also make it so you need the dealers special scan tool to turn off your tire light, reset your trip meter and relearn your radio presets. While we're at it, they should put a special dealer only key over the gas/charging cap so you can go to the dealer and visit your favorite functional alcoholic service advisor whenever you need to refuel/charge the car.
@@89gt5.0can you blame him? I certainly don’t feel like buying a new set of tools everytime a new vehicle or design comes out. I’d need a warehouse of tools after 5 years and a month just to find the damned tools
The same as repair times... I would like for at least 1 engineer to demonstrate an effective repair in the given time without any fk ups, just once and i will never complain again...
@@maxnaz47 Exactly. I've worked at some hospitals where they require the managers to work a certain number of hours/shifts each month as a regular floor nurse on the unit they are managing. Helps to keep them from losing touch with reality, in theory. We need more of that kind of thinking - helps problems get fixed faster and 'should' help decrease how often that manager has impossible expectations for their workers. Not a perfect fix - but that's the kind of change we need if we wanna see it get better for anyone workin in the trenches - gotta drag the suits out of their offices and hand them shovels from time to time.
I think part of the issue with a lot of these problems is company's having 2 or 3 engines that go between all the cars and each engine has a different setup which is hard to account for.
Yeah. Manufacturers of everything don't want you to be able to repair/modify your own anything. It's bullshit. Can't even replace the batteries in most phones anymore because they want you to just buy a new one and I don't even have pistons in my car only coil packs and they made it a pain to work on. I miss my 99 Dodge Stratus. I wish I bought that Audi off Craigslist instead of that 2014 Cruze off my dad
@@noahtackett6264if you’re talking about piston “free” engines, they have pistons. They’re just not connected to a camshaft. So there’s still a piston. Only electric cars don’t have pistons. If you have spark plugs you have pistons. You should do some simple reading. It’s not as hard as you think. You just don’t understand the technology.
@@justinbieltz5903firstly, it's the crankshaft not the camshaft. Second, there are engines without pistons such as turbines and rotaries, so a mazda rx-8 could lack pistons but still be combustion based. Therefore, spark plugs do not automatically make it a piston based engine either. You need to touch up on this stuff too. Simple knowledge to one is unknown to another.
There’s definitely a difference in approach to maintenance between manufacturers in terms of how they think about regular servicing. Do they do it just to be dicks? Nah, probably not but some designs clearly did not care at all about maintenance that didn’t involve taking the whole engine out. That actually may be better than the ones who half assed their attempts and made non functional concessions, though. More a matter of philosophy at that point.
They do it so you can charge us an extra $200 cause you had to drop the engine, take it out, put the engine back, forgot a nut, repeat everything again 😂😂
Its not that hard to drop the engine, It is inconvenient but on a versa it shouldn't be a problem, especially the right motor mount, most easiest to see and remove.
A competent mechanic would not charge extra for this. It would be included in the quote because the service manual would explain the time-frame and required steps
