Why do FF14 Players hate the Manderville Relics? 

I’m perfectly happy with them so far. Running old raids/trials 20 to 30 times a piece or hoping for drops in Bozja (which were way too low drop rate) killed my desire to finish ShadowBringer Relics.

SE: *Makes relic weapons a true grind to unlock and upgrade* Community: “this shit is so tedious wtf, I hate Eureka and Bozja, why are these damn weapons so grindy” SE: *Makes relic weapons easily obtainable with Tomes that you can quickly get by just doing dailies/weeklies or running endgame content* Community: “This shit is too easy, this relic is so disappointing where is the grind? Worst relic of all time” Gamers will always find something to bitch about

I would also point out one thing, a thing that is massive: People complained about every single version of relics, even Bozja and Eureka, despite people wishing for it to come back. So it can be a little hard to make consistent ways to doing relics.

Passively got all the HW animas over a span of a few months and it was like the thing that kept me going consistently cause i would always think "cool these leftover poetics/mats can go towards my next one" once i finished up my daily rotation of stuff. Once you got several down you might just say well imma just get the whole set.

I think the best option was on Shadowbringers: you can either run old/current content or go to the dedicated zone. Even if you don't like one, you may do the other or both a little bit. They lost the opportunity push the variant dungeons as a step, that wouldn't be overly hard and would encourage people to do Variants/Criterion after a while. Or even Orthos. That's really what bummed me out.

After fully completing my ARR relic grind this is a breath of fresh air 🥲

I was perfectly happy with the step, just mildly disappointed it was the same step twice in a row. I really appreciated how I could work on doing all 12 Variant routes and it would gradually make progress towards my relics as well, but yes, I do hope the next step will be a bit more interesting even if it doesn't introduce any sort of new content

I just wish we had to do something specific. I was not a fan of some of the steps for Eureka or Bozja weapons that are extremely solo unfriendly, like timeworn relics from DR, and think they need an alternate grind method. That said, these relics do not feel special or earned at all, you literally do nothing for them, just do dailies and stuff you already do anyway so it's WAY too far the other way. It kills the whole point. My resistance weapons were a painful nightmare to get but that's why I love using them, you have no special attachment to a relic you just buy with tomestones. And the other issue is, a special grind doing something different is what helped get us through the content drought between patches, so you feel like there's nothing to do. There should have been a middle ground that still made you earn the relic without being so group or zone restrictive. It could have been as simple as tying it to the new deep dungeon, criterion and island sanctuary to earn quickest, while allowing people to run certain old content or dailies to earn them more slowly. As it is now, you literally just got the next relic step on patch day because you already have tomestones. I do not get how anyone likes just being handed a relic for nothing when the whole point is them being personal achievements.

I am in a reallyyyyyy weird spot where I myself, do not enjoy the repeated tome dump steps. But it is not because I struggle to get them ontop of mats for crafting materials. I do hunts, a lot. Like 6800/10000 A and 3800/5000 S often in the past 3 years. I can cap like, TWICE a day depending on how free I am that day and if S Ranks are able to spawn. So having enough materials in a month without actively doing anything different, or able to get other fun extras while working on them. There is a balance that needs to be struck between having a specific goal, and not being forced to do one thing. Bozja near the end did that balance really well where some stuff WAS just Bozja based, but a lot of memories did not need you to get them just in Bozja areas outside of doing Castrum or DR the first time. But there is loads of achievements, mounts, minions, and CONTENT made just surrounding the relic that has use outside of getting said relic for Eureka and Bozja. Especially the latter with a really good form of leveling up jobs. Not having an exploration zone this expansion just feels like there is nothing to actively do sadly.

I really wish there was more to do with the relics. The game needs more long-term content to work towards.

Honestly I was kind of hoping that they would have implemented a special item to grind that would drop from the Hildibrand trials, the V/C Dungeons, or other select content. And hopefully when the next step drops in 6.45, we'll get a more varied step.

My problem with the relic quest for this expansion is the fact that it's a huge tome dump. I'm already starved as it is with tomes as a crafter and constantly needing tome mats for food and pots. Being forced to only getting the relic through tomes is just making that problem worse

If you look back at the forums, players complained about SHB relic weapon grind non stop and now they are saying they miss the grind can’t win 🤷‍♀️

My ideal is it's both. There is an exploration zone with other rewards like mounts and hair styles, but the relic can be done in the zone and with tomes to let you skip grinds/speed up steps.

while Eureka and Bozja aren't perfect, they are very much memorable, especially the way it encouraged people to be more social. I remember my experience in bozja and eureka much more than just grinding tomes, and more importantly I met so many people in eureka and bozja.

People are quick to forget the first Bozja weapon step was literally just 1000 poetics, the second step was farming bland normal enemies or fates in 5 year old zones, and the third step was exceptionally short by doing 6 synced level 60 dungeons. Or that Anima weapons were 95% throwing poetics at Rowena until she lets you dip your weapon in a new pop rocks flavour. The simplification of relic weapons has been here since Heavensward. After your first weapon, every single one thereafter is immensely easier to complete. I do not understand why people are surprised. But this is needed, I think. See, as more classes have weapons to be done, the more effort it takes. If every weapon was an excessive grind, there would be too much. And the grind is no longer needed. FF14 has gotten lots more content over the years to run, including repeatable stuff. Expanded palace of the dead, heaven on high, eureka orthos, island sanctuary, gold saucer content, etc. Back in the days of ARR there simply was not much to do. This is a fact of how these games progress. So the relic grind was put in place as a massive grind to keep players engaged. Such a grind is no longer needed. Not to that extent. The scope is broadening. So to the people upset that the relic stuff is too simple right now, please consider the first steps of pretty much every relic weapon that came before. As each and every one boiled down to "farm fates or spend tomestones." Nothing has changed.

As a newbie who just started the whole relic thing: -ARR is a fucking hellish ball ache. -Haven’t tried HW relics yet because I’ve just been buying the materials but its nice knowing I can bang out a weapon in 3 to 4 hours. -Eureka is fine with the challenge log helping you through it (except Pagos, fuck Pagos). Past that though, I haven’t gotten through Shadowbringers yet so I can’t comment on the last two.

So, I've done a lot of Bozja and Eureka. As someone who has played a lot of other MMO's that are far grindier than 14, I've been able to enjoy going in there and just... turning my brain off and farming casually to get what I want. I feel like the biggest issue SE has is they dont really know how to balance the relic grind for different playstyles. If you dont like Eureka, there's no alternative in Stormblood. But if you dont like running old content, there's no good alternatives for the other relics at certain steps. I feel like Bozja was probably the closest they came to finding that balance, with options for a lot of the stages having multiple ways to complete. The biggest mistake with it IMO is the fact that certain stages required progress in Bozja anyway, so if you were someone who elected not to do it earlier because you didnt need to, suddenly you were forced to make up all the progress before you could continue. I also found that a lot of critical engagements in Bozja were just a bit too rough for a lot of players to learn how to do properly, so many of the fights could become very, very tedious if people didn't know what they were doing. It also was not helped by the fact that Bozja gave a ton of xp as well, so there were also just a ton of people not in there at all for the relic, and it made grinds past the early content even worse in my experience as a lot of people never bothered going to Delubrum or Zadnor.

i dont get why you have to grind 2k hrs to get a cool thing when u can do it with less time and effort. Im VERY HAPPY with manderville farm. Do player want hard to get cool weapon? Go play ultimate, dont ruin the average player expearence forcing him to grind 2k hours cose not every one can play a videogame 8+ hrs a day

I love Eureka and Bozja and they were some of the best content this game has ever made. The community and combined grind was the best. I was NOT one of the people complaining back then, and love them still... The people who complained then, and are happy about these weak relics today, are the worst imo... Why want relics if they are just tome giveaways? it doesnt feel like an accomplishment, you dont work together on it, its just do roulettes and get your achievement reward... it feels watered down, and is pathetic people like this...

Suddenly next weapon tier grind would be inside the Eureka deep dungeon and savage criterion dungeon. 😂

I must be in the minority then because I'm enjoying the Manderville relic steps so far. I don't need to stress how much I need to do stuff, just take it slow and easy. Also, I have previous relic weapons unlocked so that when I get CT or any other stuff that involves relics and get a drop it's like "Oh, right I'm doing this on the side as well" Also, honestly, let's be real here, there is going to be a Manderville step at some point which will definitelly make people go "Okay, maybe collecting tomestones wasn't so bad" Current one kinda is a good motivator to do hunt trains and other stuff for achievements. Not all of us have the "I MUST GRIND OTHERWISE I'M BORED" mentality, also irl stuff takes up too much time. I would say at this point pople are complaining for the sake of complaining. Also, also (xD) if you're really that bored, here's a challenge (and a crazy one too): do the "500k points from every single gatherer/crafter job" firmament mount challenge or try getting the tripple triad card mount. You will definitelly say "never again"

I didn't mind that the first step of the EW relic was just a Tome exchange, but they really should have done something a little different for the second step. It didn't have to be anything long and drawn out, but another basic Tome exchange just feels lazy to me. Hopefully the third step is at least something else.

I'd rather have this than the complete garbage that was Eureka and Bozja. Give us the HW grind back over that.

This is actually far better than the last few weapons because we get the option of what to grind for tomwa instead of being forced into a zone that takes up tons of dev time and ends up dead in a few months. Its also really similar to the Anima relics and those are the most accessible relic weapons in the game.

I’d say agree with your statements however I wish there were a trade system for low drop rates ie an say your a raider how many extra tomes do you have that crowd up your inventory in an ex a weapon is 10 totems and savage 8 books say instead of grinding tomes we could grind each of the ew dungeons for say 3 totems or we could use old totems/ savage books and/or current ones if they’re truely going a HW relic direction this expansion the biggest thing mentioned multiple times was community engagement. And experiencing old raids/ trials wether synced or unsynced is great way to do that. Here’s some advice for those wanting to do old relics HW and SHB can be extremely trivialized once you clear it once. HW you can passively get all the mats via poetics over time then once and only painful part is the fate grind first step. After that it’s in sync 13 dungeons and lastly 19-21 Runs of A9S and 14 trials honestly if have all the it’s a 4hr grind max. For SHB just keep a weapon at each stage so the 6 quests stay open and do your dailies. I idle grinded both for a year just buy hw materials keeping my poetics from capping out and just doing stuff with friends got me most of the stuff for shb relics exception being fate grind at the start and timeworn artifacts. But a good recommendation leveling alts in bojza and potd and hoh while keeping all the quests open nets a significant amount of materials. (Note: my intention is to collect them all. This is not an amazing idea if someone only wants one to say three.) Great video over all and another reason is that everyone is playing many more classes than in past expansions. Example myself included in shb I was simply a dragoon and white mage. And now I play like almost all of them in casual content

I haven't actually done Eureka yet but Bozja was one of my favorite parts of Shadowbringers. I thought I was alone in wishing there was an exploration zone like that in Endwalker. I think I'll find some groups for Eureka and go farm one of the weapons in there. Good vid, btw! Have a like and a sub!

Only ones I REALLY hated were the zodiac weapons. I abandoned them the moment I got my first book; just no. For the rest, I made 1 relic for what I considered my signature job for the expansion...

So whats next. Tomes for ultimate weapons? The old relics were status symbols. They represented the result of all a players effort. If ultimate weapons represent skill then relic weapons represent commitment. Now what? You see a mandeville weapon and say oh i bet that guy did his daily roulettes for a few days. The second comment in the beginning represents a disappointingly large amount of the playerbase. They want to be rewarded for almost no effort.

I much prefer this system over the old ones. But some sort hybrid between this way and the new way would work well.

There's like 40 quests to complete before you can get your relic, it's not like you are not doing anything to get there

I say in the future Dawntrail and forward make 2 different relic sets One for the tomb grind like Manderville than the other for the Bozja or Eureka like grind.

I'm a returning player after several years. You mentioned helping people get into raiding. I'm not necessarily interested in that but I am interested in blue. I'm currently 40ish and farming spells. I would love tips on how to meet up with other blue to do hunts or carnival for when I get there. I'm lost in how to find others to do that stuff with.

I remember people bitching about ShB relics, and while I'd prefer more stuff like Bozja, I'm not bothered about the Manderville stuff. It's a nice little break. Honestly, I remember doing the Heavensward relics, and I enjoyed it back then still. Even Eureka, but I felt Bozja was the perfect middle point.

I honestly enjoyed the Shadowbringers relic grind, though that's due in part to the fact that i came over from Destiny which used to be grindy. Making it easy isn't too bad in my eyes but it also takes away the satisfaction of finishing the relic weapon. Its like if they were to give players the Vex Mythoclast upon completing Vault of Glass in Destiny (which i enjoyed grinding for, though getting a god roll Fatebringer was the greatest feeling ever). I hated Eureka years ago, but once I began to more thoroughly understand it, I grew to enjoy it, finished the Red Mage relic, and even got the Demi-Ozma mount (which is apparently one of the rare mounts). TLDR: Destiny veteran=more enjoyment with a grind for the satisfaction of completing the grind. Its like serotonin for us

I don't think you're seeing people switching sides between Eureka/Bozja exploration vs Manderville collection. I think what you're seeing is a whole new set of people complaining that it is (or is on longer) what they want.

This relic chain just feels like a victory lap for us. I bet Dawntrail will go back to the old ways.

Oh that’s EASY. There’s two (maybe even three for some people) factors: 1) there is no special grind involved in these relics. Just doing your dailies and weeklies will get you enough currency to get the necessary currency to buy the new weapons. Compare this to Shadowbringers and Stormblood where the were entire areas dedicated to the relics. 2) The designs of the glows are very uninspired. Most of them have a very similar design with the swirly red energy on a white weapon. 3) They are as good or even better than Savage weapons and only marginally worse than the next to impossible to get TOP weapons. I don’t HATE them, as this has been the first time I’ve experienced doing endgame gearing at the tail end of an expac and I still have TONS of content I still haven’t touched. But for the guys who have been here for years this appears to be a very lacklustre experience.

The amusing part of this is that: people get the chance to do whatever content they want to do in order to get the relic weapon. And what do they do? GRIND the hell out of a single activity to get the tomestones! Then complain that there is not enough things to do. Let's assume that the developers use something like bozja/eureka they would grind the shit out of it and STILL demand more content. There is never enough. Personally, I like the tomestones: I do my roulettes, have fun with that and get one or two completed per week.

Because some of them think grinding FATES for RNG drops followed by yet more grinding for light is what gives a relic its value. As someone who only farms relics for glam, I no longer believe anyone who grinded out all the ShB hot garbage relics has any idea what they're talking about. I view the Manderville weapons being both easier to obtain and far better looking as an apology from SE and I accept it for now.

To hard people complain To easy people still complain 😂

im definitely on the side that wants the process to be more grindy lol. Relic weapons were always the grindy part of the game. If you hate grinding, you dont get your rewards, and you can choose to stay in your comfort zone. But then again, it's the first few stages, it's not certain that it will stay that way for the next stages. And i can see relics is not the focus of this patch. We have sanctuary island, variant dungeons, and two ultimates this patch. An easy trade off if anything, I'm more mad that they change the color palette moving from stage 1 to stage 2 lol. I was so mad that they made PLD sword and shield glow red, MNK gauntlets glow blue, and RPR scythe becomes white and blue lol.

The problem's that in the past the relic weapon and their exploration zones was content for players who DO have time to put into the questline. By making it glorified tome gear this expansion, that class of players has virtually no time sink this expansion besides the PvP malmstones, and PvP isn't for everyone. But I think we can all agree that nobody was looking forward to grind 150 hours of ARR content for a step because there's no exploration zone.

no old content? my dude you have to be caught up to the current manderville quest line to get the damn things. that is multiple hours of content just to unlock them

Nah, I actually welcome that these weapons are easy to obtain, I hated Eureka, and that was one of the main reasons I never did those relics. I wanted to obtain the Reaper Relic before Dawntrail and started today, and I'm super happy that they are easy. I might also do BM, too.

Honestly after Grinding for Amaro twice in main and Alt character. I started doing the Shb grind late a week ago and I don’t find it so long or hard in comparison. Btw I enjoy challenging content and grind because it makes the reward feel much more enjoyable. But can’t please everyone and im not always going to get it my way and im fine with it.

on the flip side, it's going to make catching up on relic glamor EZ'effing'PZ come Dawntrail when it becomes a Poetic dump which i no longer have.

I'll be honest- I've played since 2013 and I still find stuff to do. I can understand people being disappointed by the 2nd step but I also understand that others liking it. Myself- I'm slowly grinding older relics- so this is giving me more time to finish those out.

im completely fine with relics from now on being this way :)

I noticed that a lot of people complaining about not having anything to do, haven't done most of the content in the game.

The Peak Relic grid was Heavensward. You cannot convince me other wise. ARR Relic grinding was all RNG and you could spend months trying to get 1 item in a area and spend millions to fail infusement. Stormblood relics were hard locked behind Eureka, just the reception was a mix bag. Some people liked it and grinding. Myself I hated the whole idea....it functionally made no sense. Shadowbringers Relic was supposed to be choose your grind. You could either A) Grind the relic traditionally as it was in Heavenward or B) speed it up by doing Bozja. Instead due to the pandemic all instances of doing it outside the instance (since for most Bozja was not for all) was scrapped to artificially inflate the relic grind. Endwalker seems to be more like they took what was proposed from the side option of Shadowbringers and just tacked it on. It makes sense due to the fact there was no 3rd explorable region. Honestly they should have just built up from what worked in Heavensward and the better parts of the Zodiac Brave series in ARR relics. Then add on top the alternatives to use currency from Bozja and Eureka to supplement how to fund those relics.

I love just tomes only relics, done all the other relics from the past to the present, EW is the most accessible thus far. And remember there are 19 combat jobs now, and probably more next expansion. Do you really want eureka levels of grind for a glamour piece? Nah I'm going to pass on that grind.

After having PTSD from Bojza relic (litteraly, i can't enter in that zone without wanting to quit the game and don't touch it for a week or so, also thanks to the haircut we could loot with a 0.5% chance or whatever on the queen raid..90 run, never got it bought it immediatly on the market, won more gils by just crafting an hour anyway) i'm glad the first two phases are so easy to get. for the 90 relic. However, getting stucked on the manderville quest is..problematic if you don't like them but you can always skip the cutscenes, wich is...heresy but still an option .

i think this is fine, the only reason its so easy is because its tied to mandervil quest, making this weapon hella grindy wouldn't really work in the mandervil quest format because they are supposed to be light hearted and funny content, i think people just complain to complain.

Doesn't matter what SE decided to do. People will always complain. 💯 losing battle. It could require more to get where we're at currently but it's still early to determine it's outcome to enhance at max ilvl

If everyone is super, nobody is Having a special weapon just doesn't feel special when all you need is some hunt trains. Bozja was my favorite

I’m going to be honest. I much prefer grinding a few dungeons and raids to get a cool weapon than the nightmare of a grind that bozja and eureka are. Even ARR and Heavensward are mainly tome farms and dungeon runs which aren’t that bad

Honestly there is a TON of content to do in this game, especially if you have not been playing since 2.0 day one or sooner.

I really just want an ibetween. Like, I loved the idea of bozja, and i love the relics it gave, but it was just,,,why the fuck are these two big dungeons/raid so hard to just do? I felt like i had to be pitch perfect or on the ground dying. Running around doing bozja fates was fun and great! had a ton of fun going through it. but especially now that type of content will just die out, and it was the hardest shit for me to get through on launch, with whatever the fuck the second raid was called constantly kicking my ass. I only did the third raid once, due to how burnt out the last one left me.

Considering I finished the Eureka Relic for Bard. The struggle is definitely true, I had to take a few breaks throughout the grind to get Circinae Eureka/Physeos. I find the Manderville Relics are a nice curveball for a change. We knew we were getting relic weapons for Endwalker, I don't think many of us expected them to be tied to Hildibrand but I would put myself through a struggle again for ARR and maybe the HW relics. Bozja (Shadowbringers) I may not complete because it's too much, the story is great for an exploration zone like Bozja and I unlocked DR but have yet to run it. My beef with Bozja is that everytime i go in to attempt something, the exploration zone is semi -empty to almost nobody except for those leveling other job classes.

Was so happy to hear the talk about the end, you talking about that this game has a lot more to offer, since it is pretty much true, I mean this game is 10 years old or so, there's a lot of old content that I feel like a lot of us ignore but could do. Aside from previous extreme/savage on synced runs, there's also the "Savage" raid in Bozjan that even rewards you with a mount, and there's a whole Discord server dedicated to making runs for it every week! Just like how there's a "savage alliance raid" in Eureka too :D This game has so so much to offer, and yet I find that some of us just deny it and then say that there's content draught, when really there's so much you can do as long as you put your mind to it (especially for us newer players who started in ShB/EW), of course not everyone will be willing to dip their toes into this kind of stuff which is fine, because honestly, I am the same. After playing this game almost non-stop for a year, and being on my 2nd year on this game, I've been taking a heavy break, only really getting onine to raid with my static. And honestly, taking a break from this game has been quite healthy as well, it has made me appreciate other games and even XIV a lot more whenever I do come back to raiding ^^

What if my complaint is having to do the Manderville stuff? Because I'm not really a fan.

well for us there started with end walker came out. i tried to get the level 80 relic weapon is now impossible, because there is a event there you need like 75 people to complete and that is just possible any more. sad in que for over 48 hours and have many times tried party finder. not a single player join or response to is.. that content is outdated and imposible to do NEED A FIX now.

I have a solution to the content drought. when ur done from all the relics close the game and go do something else till they update it with new content rense and repeat , personally i love how easy it is to get the relics i did the grind for all the previous weaps and it was hell and dont look forward in going through that again. good on the devs for deciding on a different approach.

If relics had a lasting use other than looks, sure the amount of work in a relic is worth it. If you look at a game like Guild wars 2, the legendaries stay useful over time so the high time cost is easy to agree with it. The current relic level is below what you can grind from normal raids, it's more a waste of time.

If the relci weapons were the highest damage weapons in each patch, then yeah it would be worth it in Boja event and stuff like that, but if you are like me who has all jobs at cap, then hell no!

Oh god, please no more exploration-zones >_< I personally hated them and instead loved how the relics were in 2.X and 3.X (ARR and HW). When Yoshide said that the relics are story oriented again I was happy but then... only tomestones. I hoped for a story like the first 2 generations. Maybe a story about the relics, where their names are from, what was the inspiration to build/design them. Something like that. I need different tasks so it feels interesting for me. Collect Atmas, run dungeons for special drops, collect craftable items. Stuff like that ^^ Eureka and Bozja were to boring for me. Run to specific spot and kill mobs until fate spawns. Clear fate and then go to the next loaction to kill mobs until fate spawns. And repeat. Sure, there are people who love such stuff and thats totally fine ^^ But for me it was torture...

They look fine, I just find the incorporation of the whole Hildibrand nonsense into the relic chain insipid and boring and I actively play less at least in part of this.

I hate it because it's nothing new, it just forces you to do old contents, I loved bozja and eureka, loved the fact you had to spend weeks there to get a reward, not just run a few roulette and tadam you have a "hard to get glowy weapon", only bad players are happy with manderville relics because they can finally get something.. If eureka/bozja was sooo bad, they can just do another exploration zone with less farming, less dependance on others, but still offer something new at least..

I love Boz and eureka. This relic just said ok no content to do enjoy doing nothing for another 3 months.

honestly fuck the old way reason why because eventually when you go to the next patch it done thus people aren't doing it due to that if we bring someone new it will be literally impossible for them to do them not literally but kinda so i for once i am happy with how it is now

People who hate this relic weapon are the ones who never realized that MMO can be played solo too. And imagine people playing too late, look at Eureka and Bozja. If people dislike community, they will find difficulties to collect all of those requirements

at least in bozja i loved the world war ambient, where is my war for relics? :(

Im not 100% sold on the Idea that the Manderville weapons aren't a grind all be it a very different kind. If you are a story gamer or new to the game and you have not touched the Manderville quest line then going from start to finish in order to get your relic is a kind of grind itself. I think because its a non-combat probably why people don't consider it a grind, but if you aren't skipping the cutscenes then you could be at it for hours or days, doubly so if you have other things to do. So i think there is a grind there its just not a grind of the traditional variety. If you HAVE been keeping up with the Manderville quest then yeah i can see the argument, in that regards its a lot like FF8. the grind that you have to endure is kind of malleable. Not saying its better or worse then the previous relics just different.

I think there's another strong point that most people miss. These relic weapons do have a grind, a huge one even, but you don't notice it because you probably already completed it. That is completing the entire Manderville questline. Could you imagine being one of the players that never touched Hildibrand, doing all those quests kinda rushed, and after all that, still get a huge grind for the actual weapon? That would be brutal imo. I think they have easy initial steps so players that want the weapon can finally do the Hildi Questline, and once they know everyone is on the same level, with everything up to date, they can finally start implementing grindy stages for the relic. Otherwise it would be too overwhelming for those players that just missed this piece of optional side content that they had no idea would be necessary prior to the announcement of the relics. (which is awesome and I don't know why they would not do the quests but I know people that didn't)

Hate?? Woaaa what a stretch.. its mor like "Only tomes, nothing else ?" Thats the most unenganged thing you can do and makes sure i will stop playing because why should i bother ? The game does everything it can to keep me away, the recent content is so short lifed and unrewarding and it does not even matter because there is no reason to play for it. Just wait and you will get everything withing the MSQ. FF14 is a themepark MMO not a single player game. As an MMO it is good, as a single player game it is bad and i will stop to sub. No hate just the question " who is your customer? "

"Content Drought" -- never a problem for us filthy roleplayers! :D

Tip in coming. I make the same mistake all the time aswell. Voice audio too quiet. Hope this helps~!

I’m just not a fan of the color scheme for these weapons, my PLD relic is black with a red glow and my DRK relic is white with a blue glow, red mage weapons primary color is blue……Uhhhhhh what? Is it Opposite Day and no one told me

if you run out of things to do just get the crafter relics. THAT’ll keep you busy

i prefer them ez i have my time to do elsewhere. Sick of the over the top grindy things ppl got lives and want to do other things. This is how they should do sweet weapons make them more doable or do them like Anima relics anything more is too much. Zodiac weapons is too much ill never do one.

relic 1.0= omg too many steps relic 2.0= omg so much grind relic 3.0= omg a special zone it takes forever manderville = omg too easy SE= screw this nothing is going to make them happy

Since 2.0, the have players complained about EVERY relic arc-- nothing new.

I love the tome dump

Does anyone remember ARR relics?! The pain for the grind. Now that the relics are easier tgey don't like it. Wheb it was more grindy, players still gets upset. People! Make up ur mind.

RU-vid glitched and won't give me a proper time code, but as far as "people used to not like exploration zones until Mandeville" seems like subjective confirmation bias to me. At least in Primal theyre still active as all get out and I'd seen several people hope or wish Mandeville would be the same long before it came out

As a filthy casual who unfortunately have to work and stuff i appreciate this relic bwahaha i mean these streamers who made money covering this game are now bashing it smh. Im not referring to you but the older streamers whove covered the game for years.

I love them. Forced people to do the Manderville sidequest so those duties are more active. Also I can just do other things to get tomes and I don’t have to jump through hoops. There’s other grindier gear if that’s what you want to do and we’ve gotten a ton of other content in endwalker like the islands and V&C dungeons as well as a new deep dungeon. I disliked the Eureka type stuff. I don’t find it fun.

I would not say I hate it, but I do hate grinding so I will be happy with normal ILVL but thatg is just filthy casual like me hehe.

ok thats all fine and dandy but where is the RELIC ARMOR

I dont understand the peoples who want to grind, do you guys have no life or what?

I like them and the questline.

Meanwhile I'm here doing the Lv90 Relic Tools grind and I'm in too deep but man does my tools look good

It's stage 2 like what? Stage 2 is always freaking easy. Bozja and eureka took a bit more time but they were hardly difficult

I feel people complained about the process of getting them before. Now they are complaining it’s too easy

It's way more easy and less stressing honestly so yes I like it. The only thing is that I hope they make it funny since it's the Manderville

To each their own, but the tomestone turn in just aint my thing (neither is spamming old content).

I like how they are easier to get. More enjoyable!

Bozja relics are the absolute worst things for one simple reason, the dungeons that are not a part of the roulette. I HATE party finder. HATE IT. People are horrible, and you make groups outside of roulette and if you are not top tier meta parsing you will get kicked. You learning mechanics? Not on THEIR time, kicked. Your first time? Oh you betcha, def kicked. This is what anyone trying to make Bozja weapons experiences pretty often these days. FF14 has one of the best communities ever...as long as you keep party finder out of the requirements to make weapons. As you run into the worse part of the community in party finder, you start to dislike the game more and more.

I do not like them solely cause i cannot stand hildebrand quests. They are not funny to me and just a slog. The weapons are nice though, but just not something i will put time into. Think everyone that goes through it all for em has to have more patience than a monk.