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Pushback makes sense to post to the public because that time means no one is allowed to get on after that time, but sometimes you can be stuck for up to 30mins between Pushback and actually being in the air
@@yungrichnbroke5199 Why? I think it makes the most sense to publish the time the door will close. That's the critical time for passengers since after that, no one is getting on or off the plane. In other words, the passenger's target time to get to the gate is no later than the published time the door will close. Keeps it simple for the consumer.
My flight from Guangzhou to Shanghai stayed at the gate for 2 hours before being taxied to the runway. Yes, the doors were closed, and no new passengers could board, but time between gate departure and pushback departure was 2 hours.
Always nice when departing from or landing on De Polderbaan (18R - 36L) at Schiphol and have like 25 minutes of taxiing. Push back is the best indication for departure time, because the doors are closed and passengers can't get on the plane anymore.
They should post the time that they close the gate - i.e. the time after which you won't be accepted for boarding. I can't count how many videos I've seen of pax who show up to the gate 5 minutes prior to departure and complain that they were on time when the airline says you need to be there at least 10-15 minutes prior. They should just list that time.
They always mention on the boarding pass "Gate closes 20 minutes prior to departure", or in many cases even print the actual boarding time. If people miss that, then it's really no longer the airline's fault. And if everyone shows up 5 minutes prior to departure, you can be sure that the flight will be delayed since (depending on the aircraft type) it takes at least 15 minutes to fully board the plane.
In some airlines, they even mention 25 minutes. Thereafter, it depends on the airlines, and sometimes they give 10 minutes extra to make it 15 minutes.
If you've left the gate, you're on your way to your destination. Nothing about departure requires the aircraft to be in the sky - your journey has commenced.
I’ve always known it’s pushback vs take off. It just makes sense. My husband laughs when I tell him I’m arriving at 2:30 but he knows the landing is 10-15 mins before that. Lolol
Flight departure times in the US are insane! They are scheduled to the minute. In Europe it is in full 5 minute increments. Who the heck is departing 08:32am instead of 08:35?
In Singapore, boarding usually starts only 20 minutes AFTER departure time. Push back is another 20-30 minutes later and taxiing to the new runway can take up to another 30 minutes. On short flights, the delays can often double the travel time, but Changi doesn't really seem to care.
Neither pushback nor takeoff is the proper time to display to customers. All times visible to the customers should be the (starting) boarding time. And for the arrival time should always reflect the (ending) deboarding time. Those are the only times that matter.
Boarding time is when they start letting passengers on board. Departure time is when they stop letting passengers on board. I'd say the cutoff time, after which if you haven't boarded, you've missed your flight, is the more critical time to be published. I'd prefer to know the time after which they are leaving without me.
:-O WHAAAAAAT??!? Is that true? Is that written down anywhere passenger-facing? I've been flying professionally for 30 years and I've never heard this.
Very detailed explanation about "departure time". The same applies to the "arrival time", which actually is the touchdown of the aircraft on the runway - and not when the passenger deplanes it. This is extremely annoying with connection time - specially when the airport is huge and arrival & departure gates are far away between themselves, security checks apply once again, and this process is not "user friendly" for the passenger.
