Why Do Harley Riders Hate This?  

My truck has a warning that comes up that says do not use this system while driving and it requires me to hit the ok button to clear the message. It is an allegory of what the world is becoming

Came here for this comment

This comment really affected hedgeshot. Also the rider wearing a helmet and a t-shirt.

Turn the settings on/off to your liking and forget it. Stop fidgeting with shit while riding.

Perfectly said

I wonder how many of these rider aids will help them u-turn without falling over?

​@@fredmercury1314 if you cant make a u turn on a US road you should stop riding. Either you or your bike shouldnt be on the road

Its called clearing out crap DNA, have you seen the state of people lately gebus h lol

And how many has rode for decades without all that crap?

Yes, and if you did, ABS isn't going to save you.

Not even a little

🤣 only those that have been down

Well actually if ur going into a curve u don't want to hit back break cause it will spin out if u hit it to aggressive

Trail-breaking ever heard of it ? You might want to look it up just saying

Just what I was thinking

Silverados, F series, Ram, etc etc etc

You should have feel to ride if you need that stuff you shouldn't be riding

Skinny jeans' bike has AIDS! 😂

@@steveshafer4351 Agreed! Thats why no one should buy a junk wagon Harley, those are for middle aged squids.

That's what the millennials have been saying about all Harley's for years have no technology ,. We want technology .. we can't ride without technology.. well you can't say that now can you .. Harley's got high technology your millennial education will never be able to figure out .. but you y gens still say Harley's are like tractors , another common mistake , as John Deere tractors are tuned and monitored from outer space with a John Deere satellite in tidal lock with the rotation of earth so it's constantly right over your head watching everything you try to do to "their tractor" and if you try and turn up the smoke screw on the diesel pump your John deere will give you 30 seconds to put your modification back to stock the John Deere satellite will shut your tractor forever so it will never start up again until you pay John Deere to type into your ECU the correct codes so it will run again and at the same time your warranty is completely canceled on this $250,000 buck rig forever ..so you might as well find yourself a different hobby cause you will never afford farming again ,,, and it's coming boys and girls thanks to all you millennials who keep crying for more tech-no-lo-gyeeeeee wize walley why won't our new bike start up ? I don't know bev you didn't do any thing to it did you bev ? All I done was install an S&S air filter and a set of those S&S thunder pipes ! That's it then bev we might as well go buy a new bike rather than pay a $100 million bucks to have this one to restart ... Hey walley let's shoot down the sat with that big gun Eddie hasçle's got ... Won't work bev...why not walley ? Eddie's gone bev along with the gun the house And his bike all that left of Eddie is a big hole in the ground ... Seems the sats shoot back.... DAAAD don't bother him bev dad lost his car today . They are coming tomorrow to take dad to a FEMA camp to be executed ...it's going to be a Red Dawn in the morning ..we got to find the woverens or we'er dog meant pal

You're severally overestimating the complexity of an ABS system, and ignoring that a vehicle with an inoperable ABS system functions the same as a vehicle that never had an ABS system (unless your definition of "ruin" is an indicator light being on).

Considering liter bikes have been using this tech for over a decade and its still easily available and those bikes still work like a dream, this is just false. If you know anything about it, its really not that advanced. The systems are actually pretty simple.

@@jvillain9946 yes like the traction control on an Africa twin shorts out the ignition coil that caused me to almost get hit head on when I tried to pass a car

@@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind this is not about ABS thats been on Harley since 2008. This is the new system for 2024 C-TCS

Came here to say this, at least the first part about experiences riders being at a disadvantage when the bike trys to “think” for itself

So I agree. I had a 99/2000 Honda Super Blackbird CBR1100 with CBS ( combine breaking system ) . It was the world's fastest production motorcycle at the time. So Mr Honda decided if a newbie got out of control and hit the front brakes some of the rear would also come on ( like a 70/30 split in breaking force ) to keep the motorcycle in line and not get out of shape . Now I'm no Valentino rossi BUT after 47 and counting years in the saddle I want my front and rear to work Independently of one another. Example, if I went into a corner at speed just before the bend and tryed to scrub off some speed the bike would SIT UP and want to continue straight. 😵‍💫 See Honda didn't take into account people like me might actually push the bikes limits and this happened to me on a couple of occasions. So much so I took the plumbing sorry system off and Reverted back to independent front and rear brakes. 🤙😎🇬🇧🇺🇸

I know three semi professional motorcycle riders and they like the newer features.

@@derfskittlers6125 guess that’s why they’re semi pro 🤷🏼‍♂️🤣

@@derfskittlers6125you very well might, but not all experienced riders like them. I about went down because my ABS went haywire, so I deleted it. Just get back to the bare bones.

I agree. I'm sure they could have a feature that drives it for us, which then begs the question, what's the point of riding? To me the whole point of riding and satisfaction one receives, is that YOU are the one taming the beast.

@ SandraOrtmann1976, Ah, where do You get the idea that a two wheeled Vehicle like a Motorcycle is only a one track vehicle? is it because they only have 2 wheels in a configeration of one directly behind the other? I'm a Motorcyclist with over 47 & a half years of riding experience which also includes11 & a half of those years as a Volunteer Motorcycle Instructor in that time so I'd like to pass on a little concept to You that We also used to teach in our Motorcycle Safety courses, this is something that not many People, including Motorcyclists, think about, until it's pointed out to them, even experienced Motorcyclists who have been riding for years, Ok, lets get into it, Ya see the front wheel is'nt a fixed object, it can be turned left & right as well as straight ahead & also be turned to full lock on both the left & right sides of the Bike so when the Bike goes around a bend in the road or turns a corner, it's not like a Car where the back wheels automattically follow the same track as the front wheels, on a Motorcycle, because of the lean angle of the Bike, the back wheel follows a track of it's own, which is to the outside of the front wheel whether the Bike is turning left or right, this concept is called outtracking because of the position of the back wheel when cornering, the only time it follows the same line as the front wheel is when the Bike is being ridden in a straight line so when a Motorcyclist goes around a bend or a corner, if He, or She, thinks about where the back wheel is in relation to the front wheel it makes for a much smoother manouver in the turn so the next time that You're behind a Motorcyclist & they take a bend or a corner, take a look at where their back wheel is in relation to where their front wheel is & You should be able to see that the back wheel is taking a wider track to the outside of where the front wheel is, I hope that this helps.

I work at a dealer so I ride a ton of different bikes.. I also daily an older Harley (2015) in every possible weather condition short of snow unless it starts snowing when I'm out.. my current bike has ABS, which has never once activated even while doing some emergency braking because someone cut me off.. I've owned multiple older bikes and they've never had ABS or traction control.. I spent quite a bit of time practicing hard braking.. spent more time practicing controlling the bike if the back tire locks up.. put me in just about any situation and I'll brake just up to the point of locking them up without actually locking them up.. the only exception was the one time I got stuck riding in snow.. I actually locked up the rear brakes once but it was fine because I had practiced for it.. Ill take my years of experience over some computer any day of the week

I disagree bc in any population there will be the top 50% and bottom 50% of skilled riders. Being able to turn off these "assists" is the real issue.

@rohandhanota9944anything stability or traction control will wreck you if you know how to drive and ride. Learn that from an earth age with the screwy “traction control” on my 02 mustang. If you got that car sideway at speed and had not turn traction control off, prior, it was absolutely GOING to mess you up bad.

I must be going def dumb and blind... Did i just now read a millennial comment that said don't rely on technology... Why oh why could you not of said that 6 or 8 years ago . If you change the looks of your turn signals and he's aftermarket that are not the same ohms resistance as the stock Harley turn signals that are ugly I bought the electrical and the mechanical Harley ginuwine service manuals just to read and see what I thought it was and lo and behold they use the same electrical system based on the Ford Cobra your computer reads the impedance of the entire literal system have you seen anything you get back at 8 pages of electrical code failures that screws around with the ECU and eventually shuts down the whole f****** bike and this s*** started about 2018 on my brand new fxdrs 114 big inches Milwaukee 8 and just running like a top if I had left it alone I'd still have it but no I have to customize it and fix everything that's not broke with no idea what I've done to the electoral system while I was doing it and this thing starts blowing off warning lights oil light came on it changes the computer settings to s***and nowadays when you buy a new Harley the dealership has no more power or choice as to how to tune your bikeAir Force to hook it onto a master computer that's hooked to the phone line that talks to Milwaukee directly and putting the dealership no matter how many skills and years they have of working on Harleys they have no more say so about it than you do and whatever the goddamn computer says hook to the telephone lines that's what the dealer is required to do to your butt they have no say so over it only artificial intelligence does hooked up to the most technical technology of technologist assholes there is in the world thanks to you millennials saying Harley no technology Harley no technology tractor tractor no technology no technology Harley no technology well I got the technology now and you can step up your assholes

Now you want Harley's that you actually have to know how to ride all by yourself... Waiting for around 10 years all you millennials complained Harleys have no technology no technology they need technology no technology technology no technology well you got the f****** s*** now don't you is the loaded down with technology will hardly run and you can hardly steer it and hardly stay alive on the son of a b****so since you started it you're going to have to b**** for about 10 more years to get it off of there as you already know Harley's pretty slow at doing anything technical.... And now you know the reasons why there's that away don't you... So now you shit in your own nest laying it

That's not how they work, they don't care how fast you take the corner. They monitor the difference in speed between the wheels. The equipment uses that information to discourage the back end from outrunning the front end so far that it's likely for the rider to end up in an unrecoverable situation. In all reality, as long as the system is setup correctly, the rider should never notice it is there unless they do something really dumb and is later trying to figure out how they managed to maintain control. Skill has nothing to do with it, humans don't have the reaction time to do what modern stability control systems do

it's because of the gloves..

Exactly, making it something to avoid regardless of it's effectiveness if your trying to be frugal, and bicycles are so damn expensive at the bike shop to get them worked on as well so I avoid hydraulic and go for mechanical, have a shot at monkeying with it, then again there's RU-vid vids to aid, I generally dread the bicycle shop, off topic but shows ide really dread this

This is the only decent argument against these systems that I've seen on this video. The systems are getting so convoluted you might as well just replace something when it breaks. Sucks.

This is the real point

yes exactly, you wont be working on your own brakes etc .. but then again any douch that would spend 40g's on a bike likely cant screw in a lightbulb without calling an electrician anyway ..

@@hometownhooligan6100 I also don't trust the company to not change the code without telling you or start charging you a subscription fee if you want to continue using your bike.

What is the chance of fuel injection failing?

​@@marceltheseal100%. On long enough timeline, everything stops working.

​@@JackelinHydeeven carburetor?

😂😂 This gotta be satirical. You battle it out with sitting fuel, the temperature, whatever your fussy carbs are mad about and I'll be over here having myself a time

If you respect your carburator your csrburator respects you

Less people dying means more people spending money. It’s a simple yet disgusting business model. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I prefer old farts who STFU lol

@@jareddahlseid551 sounds like some democratic bullshit that isn't going to work as usual.

Funny how these features have had zero affect on death rates

Yeah, its just some BS to justify you spending more money. A gimmick if you will. A well tuned older bike is what I like as well.even cars , that have all these gadgets, jet when it breaks down its going to crush my pocket book. I just want to know the time, I dont want to know how to build a clock.

4yrs. with a binkie

Dudes talking about glorified ABS, not some random lane assist or automated braking stuff

I hate those brakes. If the road is wet or icy and the truck locks up the brakes. You no longer have control of the truck

@@johnwebster76 y’all never heard of abs?

Exactly👍!!

​@@TrolloTVabs only keeps your brakes from seizing up after being applied by YOU. This technology basically is trying to decide what your course of action will be without YOUR input, ie you come into a corner IT deems too fast and it kicks on, regardless of YOUR intentions.

No, its survivor bias. And most of harleys cant ride anyway, so traction control wont even intervene in their riding style, only save lives

Most of the Harley riders are against wearing helmets.

Exactly. Learn how to ride!

@@leodoingthings1706 Spot on! 😂😂😂😂😂

@@capncaptain1594 The best helmet in the world protects your head only for the FIRST impact... after that, you have a bucket on your head and chances are you will hit more than once when you crash.

Do you ride ????

I agree and I ride everyday. Sunny and 70 deg weather turns into amateur hour around here. 😅

@@jimmywall7325…. one of them ducks must be this guy!

If you knew how to ride these aids shouldn't even go off. Abs only pops if you lock a wheel up your overreacting

The Aussies are forced into a life and death situation of trying to stay alive .. it's law now that all street legal dirt bike come with abs that you cannot turn off .. ever try and ride an adventure bike off road even if you have 50 years of racing and trail riding ? I can tell you this you won't ride for very long ! You will be smart enough to park it right away or die . When you go down a steep dirt hill you will be at the bottom of the hill faster than no brakes at all ! On country dirt roads you will blow right through a stop sign every time .. NOT GOOD ODDS AGAINST THOSE AUSSIE TRUCK TRAINS THAT PULL THREE FULL LENGTH 60 FOOT LONG TRAILERS ALL COUPLED TOGETHER CRUISING THE OUTBACK AT AROUND 100 mph ...what they say they get back after such and impact of an abs bike blowing a stop sign on dirt that is 90% of all roads in aussie land is not something you want to see at the funeral , closed coffin for sure

@@donniebaker5984So then you buy a older bike then, right?

@@jimstenlund6017 if I packed your parachute and it failed to open I wouldn't feel very good about myself would I ? I'm not superstitious but I say why take chances when you don't have to... my 2017 Dyna, I will have to admit the ABS brakes save my ass at day pulling into the parking lot of O'REILLY'S... My life been plagued with catastrophes all caused by stupid and narcissistic friends that has cost me right close to a million bucks. But it's never been about the money... But it's taught me very valuable heartbreaking lessons. Myself called friends have all been users and cheaters and watch your parking meter. Johnny’s in the basement Mixing up the medicine I’m on the pavement Thinking about the government The man in the trench coat Badge out, laid off Says he’s got a bad cough Wants to get it paid off Look out kid It’s somethin’ you did God knows when But you’re doin’ it again You better duck down the alley way Lookin’ for a new friend The man in the coon-skin cap By the big pen Wants eleven dollar bills You only got ten Maggie comes fleet foot Face full of black soot Talkin’ that the heat put Plants in the bed but The phone’s tapped anyway Maggie says that many say They must bust in early May Orders from the D.A. Look out kid Don’t matter what you did Walk on your tiptoes Don’t try “No-Doz” Better stay away from those That carry around a fire hose Keep a clean nose Watch the plain clothes You don’t need a weatherman To know which way the wind blows Get sick, get well Hang around a ink well Ring bell, hard to tell If anything is goin’ to sell Try hard, get barred Get back, write braille Get jailed, jump bail Join the army, if you fail Look out kid You’re gonna get hit But users, cheaters Six-time losers Hang around the theaters Girl by the whirlpool Lookin’ for a new fool Don’t follow leaders Watch the parkin’ meters Ah get born, keep warm Short pants, romance, learn to dance Get dressed, get blessed Try to be a success Please her, please him, buy gifts Don’t steal, don’t lift Twenty years of schoolin’ And they put you on the day shift Look out kid They keep it all hid Better jump down a manhole Light yourself a candle Don’t wear sandals Try to avoid the scandals Don’t wanna be a bum You better chew gum The pump don’t work ’Cause the vandals took the handles

@@donniebaker5984 ABS is a ‘double-edged sword’ but most of the time probably a good thing.

Facts! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Considering the wheel was just being invented when most harley riders were young.

@@jvillain9946 😂😂😂😂 And HD still cant make a wheel that doesn't wobble 😂😳

@mickallen899 At lights left foot is on ground. Right foot stays on peg on brake. No reason to have both feet down except for squids.

For most riders it won't take away from the riding experience. How often are people maintaining the little slide coming out of corners, or intentionally doing rolling burnouts. You won't notice it people just say that. People will eventually adopt it in mass like ABS. This is coming from someone who has never even owned something with basic ABS, but I wouldn't mind having it and the other systems. Just customize them if you're experienced and sharp.

It's a cruiser, what are you doing with it for rider aids to get in the way? And if you were going full king of the baggers cup, theyre customizable.

Thats why you can turn them off or adjust them to your abilities or situation. Did you not know that? If you didn't that means you never even rode a bike with them and don't know what your talking about.

@@jvillain9946 apparently you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you turn them off and then wreck or damage the bike there goes your warranty and insurance claim.

I've been riding since 64 and I think it would be a nice change to add some of today's technology to my ride. Embrace the ride, embrace new technology. Y'all Be safe.

@@richardrappa5512 the only people that argue against having rider aids on bikes are wanna street squids that just bought their first bike and read track riders turn off abs while racing on a random reddit forum, and boomer Harley riders whos mental maturity evolves slower than the useless Harleys they ride and base their personalities around being the most "badass". The same people that refuse to wear helmets or gear because it's not "badass" enough. Any real seasoned rider that actually puts miles down both on and off track are supportive of rider aids because they understand how much safer rider aids are for street riding.

Those who would exchange Freedom for security... derserve neither.

@@user-nn6qc2tc1v and will lose both.

Not getting 2nd and 3rd degree burns from road rash and having to get gravel chunks picked out from your skin = greater freedom.

just buy something without the features you don't like. No one's taking no freedom in here. Plenty of better bikes without those implements, and you can freely choose

😂😅 🤦

you just wish you had one

@@imapiledriver2462 I have an H2.

​@@Randy-rd9zblame bike.😂

@@mr.b3168 ah. I'll sell it and get turd bike.

@@Randy-rd9zb you already have the turd

I've never owned a bike with electronics, but I'd gladly take some electronics. I'm an aggressive rider though. I get your pov too though, I own one of the last great full analog superbikes ever made, the RC8R and it's chassis and engine are genius. No software engineering can trump its mechanical genius.

And we’re over 50! 🏍💨😜👍

Some of you like to never practice basic maneuvering skills and then have accidents because your skill level is just enough to go in a straight line.

​​@@robertchapman6795im 25 the bike i learned on was from the 80s

Theres a lot of threats on the road as a someone who has ridden i agree when they say the person riding the motorcycle is most likely to crash alone themselves first. But if not that, theyre gonna ram into someone who pulled out infront of them into oncoming traffic because quote "i didnt see you coming" that being said, i still like motorcycles ld like to be harley ceo for a short period and fix all those mistakes they made.

if you drove 14hrs / day, you would see stupidity is available in all ages. blame the programming, screen time, and lack of parenting

Uhm, no that’s a pretty uninformed statement actually

@@SEEKANDDESTROY717 thats lived experience.

Yup. Been riding over 50 years. Learn to ride by riding hard in the dirt. Develop your reactions and feel. Human brain is way better than that stupid computer..

Absolute true statement. Just like traction control on a car or truck, I disable it, because when you know how to drive in wet or dry conditions, traction control WILL get you killed.

@@619dunnerhow are you saying that it these features killed you?

Risk management is not about individual situations. It's about statistics. Those times when you need to slide a tire and/or lay down a bike, you go girl. In the meantime, the insurance companies will be managing financial risk. The exact same thing you would be doing if you were collecting premiums and paying claims.

It’s not insurance it’s government that thinks you need all this.

@@Darin.Pearson so in a get off situation where a slide/some road rash is the best option the insurance company would rather pay a t-bone collision and an ejection claim for girls that piss the underpants before collision? This is safety with regard to collecting?

I know of no one except stuntmen that can put a bike down on purpose. What happens is you grab to much brake and the bike washes out from under you. Then you tell people you had to lay it down.

⁠@@Dave-sw2dm it’s very easy to lay a bike down on purpose. And if you grab to much brake and wash your front end out, that’s a skill issue. means you don’t know how to ride and you need to go practice.

Ridden 50 years without any of this, reckon I can manage without it for my remaining years.

@@brianmcleod4815 that’s the thing, when I was a kid I played zombie games with a controller…now as I’m getting older I notice that if I go outside .. earth is actually real life zombie land. . They have people walking down the street literally scabbing from the inside out saying things that don’t make any sense. . They’re is nothing but poop on the streets of California.. OUR California is a wasteland. This is real life. . . You grew up when the minorities knew their place. . . Well now it’s real life zombie land 🧟

@@brianmcleod4815 riding 50 years ago means something different than riding in 2024. . . Hell, even 15 years ago was different.

​@@Thebrickhouse01he's not responding because you went full confederate on that first reply

@@aliasfakename2267not everybody responds. I leave comments daily and never ever check any of the replys. Hence my user name.

Also been riding for years. The idea that these aids are dangerous for experienced riders is not correct. We all make mistakes or hit a patch of reduced traction and having them can mean the difference between a butt pucker and a really bad day. Personal choice of course, but I am completely fine with it.

RU-vid trail braking

I agree, would love to own my first electronic aided bike. Idk why people would complain unless they're trying to do rolling burnouts and wheelies, in which case shut it all off. And if you're super sharp and competitive and it's getting in the way, turn it down and customize it. The modern racing legends all use these systems so just tailor it

It's great if you have full control over the system. I was raised ole school and was taught in the old trade of automotive engineering SAE AIME and I started to pick up the attitude and narrative of the old boys about modern electronics but I ended up in auto performance, custom and race cars, boats and bikes... Tell you what, after I got my hands on a REAL fully programmable ECU, I was an instant convert, got kicked out of the ole boys club lol. Had a customer keep coming back asking to set the rear geometry in different ways because he said it was stepping out more than it should. I actually did geometry setups for world class motor sport for a time, so I've got a reasonable idea what I'm doing and with good explanation of the drivers experience on track I could usually nail the setup straight away, but I couldn't see the problem on this one... The third time he came back, I set it how he wanted to try next but by that time I'd gained a better picture of how he was driving and that the 500 hp was a recent upgrade from the previous lesser 200 odd from stock. So I said try that but next time you come back, bring the hand programmer for your ECU. A week later he came back, he said nothing, handed me the keys and the programmer. I put the car up and set the rear geometry back to almost where he had it originally, then plugged in and dialled up the throttle sustain. He called me a week later and exclaimed "Your a fxyzing legend!" Yep I love tech. In all honesty my time in the game ended a decade ago and my opinion of tech appearing on bikes was sketchy but you ride, you approve so I'm guessing some bugs have gone LOL. I built my ex wife the most incredible sleeper that had things I've still not seen anyone do 20 years later, but my point is I had to settle for 3 present configurations (The glove box opened to reveal a laptop with full telemetry and live engine condition and management mouse pad no touch screen.. over 20 yrs now bro gime a break lol) because I realised something very early in testing... remembering what options were on and what was off!!! It was an issue. You know I really miss her, she would still be an astonishing car today!😅

I dont do wheelies at all because i want to live

If you "lay it down " you crashed. The only time I ever layed it down on purpose, was to avoid smashing into another racer standing in the middle of an enduro course.

@@got2kittys I was being sarcastic, if you grab a handful of brakes you can stop a LOT sooner than just flopping over like a squid .

One time I layer down but it was okay

I'm old school .. I never had one of them skill limit gages only a bunch of trophies and checkered flag

I'll run anyone on any bike on my puny 91 Sportster. Only have 4k invested in it total and can run low 9s.

You’re so smart thanks for the info

​@@JackelinHyde I'll run you on a bicycle and win by the 4th run as you're loading your newly acquired paperweight on the trailer. Harleys can't make much more than 160whp without being ready to grenade, or without spending like 40k on forged everything.

Is that why people buy Honda’s and try to make them sound like Harleys?…… it’s really because they’re cheap, like their mothers!

@@ThisShitDontFlush Aint nobody doing that. Sequential firing is fundamentally bad so the signature sound is the sound of failure.

Those are cool bikes. I want to put modern suspension and wheel set up on one to compliment its low slung engine and grumble across America for thousands of miles comfortably, with a little something extra for when the road gets fun

Harley ain't even made in America anymore. Idk why they get away with charging 40k for 20k bikes. You're just buying the brand like it's a designer purse at this point. And I see them selling way too many bikes with one brake caliper up front, with trash suspension, and now subscription services for rider aids. Idk how they get away with charging yall all that, terrible company.

This is the most misinformed comment I’ve ever read on anything in my life. Rider aids are included in the cost and there’s no subscription to use them. Please ignore this comment and research this yourself.

Last thing i want my bike to have is AIDS. Aids always leasts to catatrophic situations. Aids is a catastrophic situation itself

oh oh Oooopppssss Excuse my intererruption _ But can _ anybody Rider have mistake __ issue _ malfunction _ no matter the Experience

Exactly traction control nor ABS can regain traction

great info

so, from one turd to another

Harley is spending all your money making junk bikes make me ceo before these dumb idiots imo

That's why I ride one hand on my joystick, one hand on my liquor, ass out, helmet being used as an ashtray.

No, freaking government ruined motorcycles... My first 1972 Honda 750 was exceptionally fast, stable and didn't have a wiring harness as big as your arm..

​​@@jimmywall7325a lot of stuff they made was junk but also yes you are right about some aspects of being better. The new trail 125 is better than tbr old 110s but the old ones were also better in ways. Look at the old rebels vs the new. The new are better on paper worse in person. The old sportsters are worse on paper than the new nightster snd sportster s but theyre better in person. Even with corollas. Old corollas used to be close to camrys and accords and they were even better than todays camrys and accords except the problem is theyre worn out old junkers. The people never resist so the exhuast muffler always gets bigger not smaller. They make the bikes choked up like a pig trying to breath through a soda straw. Theyre trying to force us to buy livewires and thats not the answer

Practice trail breaking, the secret to using the front brake mid corner is not to surprise the tyre. If the tyre is already under load then when you need to slow down quickly the tyre is already doing its job and won't lock up if you modulate the brake properly and not grab a big handful,then you will successfully negotiate the corner.

@gerrybailey447 Yup! EXACTLY! I can trail brake in rain, I don't "hit" anything! Including brakes! Smoooth!

Only an experienced rider trail breaks. If you been riding all your life and never heard of trail breaking or don't understand it. Then sorry your not the rider you thought you was

Disagree. Two situations 1). Trail braking into a corner 2). Braking mid corner is not a death wish, unless you panic grab and lock it up.

Hey, Myself on my triglide, brother on his Ultra and other buddy on his Gold Wing . Little interstate ride, for almost 2 hours at 80, 90, and 100 mph.. That was just running with traffic... So don't go out on a limb....

@@jimmywall7325 that's good that you kept up with traffic

@@joeaznorth Traffic can't keep up with us... We just decided to blend in with traffic... Do you ride??

@jimmywall7325 yes I ride. Mostly in the dirt

@@joeaznorth Is that from running off the road or on purpose ??? LOLOL

We got a HD fanboi here..

Indian Challenger 100% winner on Safety and Performance

@@Stevel_ We got a girlyboi who got his feelings hurt with the truth...

@@HJG1964 Haha. Yeah right. I'd ride a Polaris motorcycle even if it said Polaris on the tank. They are just made better.

Your opinion... You probably voted for biden too...

For now

Maybe I’m weird but I always thought avoiding the situations in the first place was the best way 😂 ….does nobody look where they’re going anymore? Do new riders really expect the rest of the world to cater to their needs? Look where you’re going, know that you’re invisible to EVERYONE except COPS

Yeah, and one of those crotchrockets never fell down or hit a car...

Sometimes she lays down all on her own

Why would he try to dump the bike? Man wasn’t foiled by technology but by being an actual regard.

Experience would have saved you too

@@evanhandelong7685 pack it up. I have more miles than you.