I agree with you and was going to post the same comment. It’s definitely helpful for an automatic/manual watch..less useful for a quartz, and even less so if it’s a solar quartz! Oh well, it doesn’t detract from my love for my Seiko speedtimer!
What about being a degenerate gambler and want to know if it’s day or night, not that it matters since the next shoe is looking hot so you’ll win it all back.
@@JaredConnell don’t worry Sil will lend her money while she’s dancing at the Bing. It sucks getting braces as an adult but at least she’ll date a catch like Ralphie Cifaretto!
I actually like the 24 hours dial because it gives me a sense of the day as a whole, like how much did i have left to enjoy or how much I have used. Don't know how to explain better, it is just a emotional perspective about seeing the full day going away
The 24 hour hand can also be used as a compass. Holding the watch flat, have the regular hour hand point to the sun, the 24hr hand will point to north. Works only if its not DST time.
24 hour scale is not useless ! it allows wearer to know if they are long time stuck in a mall or indoor environment or a cave etc.... to know it is day or night , which is the same as a SUN/Moon disc.
Glad you made a video on this complication. I 100% agree with your statement. There’s not that many people in Alaska with Seiko’s, the market is small for that. I wish they had put a hour totalizator instead of the 24 hour one, that would be a lot better.
I can imagine that many a young doctor stuck inside a hospital for a 30 hr shift, in an environment where everything is documented in the 24hr format, would find this feature useful.
As someone who does data entry and has to put everything in 24 hour format, it can be a nice little feature. The times between 1500 and 1800 somehow screw with me periodically, so the watch makes a great reference when I check times on paperwork.
A day has 24 hours, so the real question is why aren't 24h dials mainstream. Wherever it's possible, I always set 24h scale. It's not "military time", it's homo sapiens time.
My speedmaster mk40 has a 24h sub dial, one half is painted in a lighter shade of blue so you know that’s the safe zone for adjusting the calendar without breaking the mechanism. So I guess most chronographs have it because of that
The AM/PM is needed when you don't use the watch for long and wind up the spring to full and set time. Now the problem lies after this while setting up date. For example the clock stopped running 4' O clock and now I reset the time to let say 2'o clock in the afternoon but I don't know whether it's 2PM or 2 AM that my watch is set to. This will eventually lead to wrong update of date and day after few hours. It could be that I am expecting the day date to change after midnight but my watch didn't instead it changed date day in 12'o clock afternoon
Sure - on a GMT or Worldtimer makes sense, but on a 60 minute Chronograph watch? I think you and I both know there are many watches that are universally worn that don’t need a AM/PM indicator
But nearly all analog clocks and watches still use a 12 hour face. If you need to know the 24 hour time you would probably be better off with a digital or smart watch anyways.
as someone who had to serve in the command operations room on a 24 hour shift during my mandatory conscription National service, I can tell you that it was beneficial to know considering i'm inside the damn room for the whole period and there's no windows or natural light entering the room to tell you if it's morning or afternoon.
I think that just in general, 3 dials on a face can be an aesthetically pleasing feature to look at in terms of balance, and when you look at a lot of countries where the number 3 is considered lucky, and has significant meaning, sometimes you just need something so simple yet so important for a special wrist piece for it to stand out even among other watches.
@@jazzman5598 eh, you'd be surprised at what people are calling "aesthetic" these days. These people buying expensive watches are the same people buying the MSCHF yellow boot crocs.
It's 100% for pilots. It's the same reason the GMT watch makes so much sense for us. We hop time zone so often, show all of our flights are set off of UTC or as it used to be, GMT. There are also industries that work exclusively in a 24-hour time scale. It's not common, but it does exist. Finally, some people just like the oddity.
You are wrong. 24hrs scale is a useful in everyday use. It is used in transportation, and logistics to clearly indicate when something is scheduled for arrival, delivery, departure. Communications use it in a professional setting to better indicate the start and end of an event such as a special report, a news broadcast or standard daily programming, the military use it for accurate operation timetables and obviously everyday time keeping. The most useless complication is a perpetual calendar in an automatic/mechanical because if the watch stops running for several days it is a total pain to reset. Leave that sort of compilation to digital watches like GShock and stick with the tried and true standard day and date calendar complication.
I work in power and every hour of the day is identified by “Hour Ending”, i.e. 4:25 pm would be in Hour Ending 17. A 24 hour watch allows for a very quick reference to what hour we are currently in which can be useful, especially to those new to the industry.
Why you hating kuys? This definitely helps a lot of hard working people with graveyard shifts - using military time - pilots and people that value every second , minute & hour.
When a watch is wound down, to me it’s very useful to find out if it’s in the “danger zone” to change the date. Plus there are so many aesthetic things you can do with a 24 hour dial, like symmetrical dials and moon phases.
The only time i think a 24 hour timer is useful would be if you lived near the poles where daylight is longer than 12 hours, work on a submarine or something else that doesn't let you see daylight for a while. Beyond that, its useless to many people, and imo, the argument it helps set up the day/date is pointless. It only takes maximum of two rotations to know when it shifts to the next day.
Cause it's dangerous to change the date/date on automatic watches bewtween 9pm and 3am. The gears are active during that time. You can damage to the movement and breaks the day and date wheel by doing that.
Hidden features of Chronograph watch subdial that has 24, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20 markings; If you take your watch off align the little dial towards the Sun you will get compass directions. 12 o'clock is always North. It's a rudimentary way of finding out cardinal directions for your surroundings if you were lost.
Stuck in a cave. What time is it? Thats why you need a 24 hour analog gauge. On my watch ⌚️ its one of the last features to stop if I dont have a light source.
Having worked in healthcare settings for my career, 24 hour time is used in hospitals and clinics to avoid confusion with treatment, medication, and diagnostic testing. I absolutely prefer this feature when I buy watches.
It’s a 24 hr timer n a chronograph stopwatch feature. For timing of long distance events like endurance motor racing, like the watch was invented for - with its tacho ring - not to tell you if it’s night or day.
Perhaps the only other useful aspect of a "fixed" 24h subdial is making it a tad faster to set a day/date complication, where you instantly know whether or not you're in the "safe zone" for changing the day and/or date. Other than that, yeah, rather pointless.
I hate it when they put an elapsed time bezel on a chronograph. Like… why? A chronograph already measures elapsed time. Put some other function on the bezel like a countdown or hours or something.
100% agree. As I am looking for a good chronograph with a 12-hour totalizer, it drives me crazy that 90% of chronographs waste one of their subdials on this useless feature.
The 24-hour dial has nothing to do with tracking secondary time zone or GMT. It does not operate separately from the hour hand. It’s just a n AM/PM indicator and nothing more.
Here’s another reason why it’s actually useful: if you haven’t used that particular watch in a while, you need to wind it and maybe set the date agains however, if it’s towards the evening and it’s let’s say 11 pm, you cannot change the time as it will damage the mechanism. So if I know it’s 11 am, I can change the time and date without worrying. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not an excuse to pay more for a chrono but it is another useful reason😂
What you can't adjust the time first before changing the date? Really? I can't believe some of these silly excuses for a useless dial.... Cosmetics maybe but that's it...
You're quite right. But what I hate most is a watch with short hands, especially the minute hand like CASIO EDIFICE they make great value and quality watches only to screw them up with very short hands that in some models it's hard for the eye to make the difference between the hour and the minute hand.. This is still an inexplicable secret to me !
Just to reiterate what Teddy says about the matter, knowing if it's AM or PM on your watch is useful when setting the calendar date, otherwise you can grind the gear down and damage the watch if the date is about to change to the next day. Makes sense
My logic is that you wake up in a shipping container with no way out and can't see if it's day or night outside, so a 24hr clock would be very useful in that scenario.
I have the Orient Sun & Moon as my first mechanical watch, which has the Sun & Moon disk as an AM/PM indicator. It's not entirely useful for everyday use. But for someone who sometime takes a midday nap and wakes up confused about what part of day it is (6am and 6pm light can be confusing), the AM/PM indicator does come in handy.
I really enjoy the 24 hour sub dial. It's a great am/pm indicator. Mostly, I think it adds interest to the piece. It's constantly moving, in a different position throughout the day. With a 12 hour chronograph only one sub dial is moving. The other two being at 12. I enjoy using the chronograph, for the most part it's not in use. I have other digitals and a phone if I need a stop watch. That being a 24 hour stop watch. A chrono with two sub dials in motion is cool to me. So many people dislike this feature. They usually wish it was a 12 hour indicator.
It's just a nice thing to know how much is actually left of the day as such. Also helps with approximating e.g. how much sleep im about to get etc. Pp.
I mean maybe it’s for people for whom day and night aren’t relevant The example that stands out are people in space where that concept is just void But also people submerged for a long time, maybe military personnel? I’m not sure myself but I can definitely see it having use
Because once I woke up @ 6pm after a very long nap and I was confused of whether it's evening or morning, when I asked it to my roommate they were laughing and nobody answered.