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Note names are weird. Depending on where you studied, you probably refer to notes either with letters or a series of arbitrary-seeming nonsense syllables, but, like, why? Where does that come from, and why do we still use it? Well, I decided to look into it with the help of my friend Mark from The Endless Knot, and it turns out it's... well, it's complicated. There's a lot of history, going back all the way to the Greeks and Romans, but the journey we've taken to get to the note names we use today was a really fun one to explore!
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@12tone
@12tone 6 лет назад
Hey! Couple extra notes: 1) Some of you may have noticed that, despite being labeled "A", the first note in the Boethian Notation system is a modern B. This is, to the best of my research, how he structured it: The low note that he removed, called the Proslamblanomenos, is what eventually became the modern A. Guido's system (among others) added it back in and adjusted the letters to fit. 2) I took one year of Italian in high school so I'm pretty sure my accent is completely flawless and 100% representative of what an actual Italian speaker sounds like, but on the very unlikely off-chance that it's actually not that good... Sorry, Italy. 3) I had a third thing but I don't remember it now. 4) Oh yeah! It's somewhat over-crediting to say that Sarah Glover invented Movable Do. That's my fault, not Mark's: I wrote that section of the script, and I take full responsibility for the error. She invented Tonic Sol-Fa, which is the system that modern Movable Do evolved from, but as mentioned in the video, the idea of flexible names based on scale degree rather than absolute pitch goes back at least to Guido's hexachord mutations. Sorry, and again, that's on me, not Mark.
@thekendrickhuynh
@thekendrickhuynh 6 лет назад
1. Interesting how some changes we can view to be possibly arbitrary back then can stick and have lasting effects. For all he knew, he was making sense of something that gave people trouble. 2. As a non-speaker of Italian, I think your Italian is flawless. You had the "zz" thing like in pizza so I'm convinced it's right on. 3. I also had a third thing that I forgot. How do I know? Well, I forgot it so I can't really remember it, now can I?
@sprK92
@sprK92 6 лет назад
your Italian is 100% flawless ;)
@alnarndq5825
@alnarndq5825 6 лет назад
A couple extra notes, lol
@Person1873
@Person1873 6 лет назад
12tone completely of topic for the video but, what's with the gummy bears?
@attila.m.magyar
@attila.m.magyar 6 лет назад
Another fun fact: in some European contries (Germany, Central Europe, etc.), we have "H" and "B" instead of "B" and "Bb". As far as I know, it has to do with the letters mentioned at 6:20. Probably someone somewhere, during copying a codex or whatever, forgot the bottom horizontal line from that square-ish "b", making it look like an "h", and this mistake got stuck and spread in some parts of Europe. Sorry if it was already mentioned on this channel, I'm a new subscriber and I haven't finished watching all the videos yet.
@AdamNeely
@AdamNeely 6 лет назад
I'm sure you'll get this, but whenever this has come up on my channel, viewers from Germanic countries want to know about their "H" system! From what I understand (likely an apocryphal story) the natural B durum changed into the letter H because of a the bad transcription of one monk, and it became the fashion to write B durum that way.
@12tone
@12tone 6 лет назад
I've heard that story, yeah. I've also heard that it just happened because they needed an 8th name in order to describe the 8 notes of the three hexachords, so they just jammed the 8th letter of the alphabet in without worrying about whether the ordering made sense, in order to preserve as much of the pre-existing system as possible. Not sure which, if either, is true.
@flohardy2000
@flohardy2000 6 лет назад
Adam Neely thanks Mr bassman, I asked exactly this question
@anttireunanen8282
@anttireunanen8282 6 лет назад
We use the H-system in Finland too, though a common practice is to still use Bb.
@JHV112
@JHV112 6 лет назад
And I was under the impression that it came from the hard and soft B's, similar to the story behind the sharps, naturals and flats: that the stylised B (hard B) looked similar to a H and so they went with that, whereas the B (soft B) became the equivalent of what we'd call Bb. ...although I think I got this explanation from Adam's video...
@atelier8584
@atelier8584 6 лет назад
Germans (and also Poles who got their music notation from germans) name key signatures differently: Major - Dur Minor - Moll and instead of using terms 'sharp' and 'flat' they write note with 'is' or 'es' C sharp - Cis C - C C flat - Ces also B flat becomes B B natural H and B sharp His
@stevonico
@stevonico 5 лет назад
Who coined such a modest title of the "Greater Perfect System"?
@ChuuniYuusha
@ChuuniYuusha 6 лет назад
In Japanese music is written as ongaku(音楽) which means to enjoy sound(音を楽しむ)
@EpicSpeedademon
@EpicSpeedademon 6 лет назад
And it's 'Eumak'(음악音楽) in Korean
@NameExplain
@NameExplain 6 лет назад
When there’s a video about names and you’re not invited D:
@beatrixwickson8477
@beatrixwickson8477 6 лет назад
Name Explain Ouch! No gummy bears for you.
@EchoHeo
@EchoHeo 6 лет назад
Wow i l u
@caronava2629
@caronava2629 4 года назад
i love this type of crossovers between my favorite channels
@jd_elderberry
@jd_elderberry 2 года назад
Aww
@mastercheif462
@mastercheif462 6 лет назад
For you next song dissection, you should do Tool's "Schism". It would be a super cool discussion of changing time signatures, polyrhythms, interesting chords, and modulation!
@camh_plays2241
@camh_plays2241 6 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J_ISVktbdOg.html Here is a really analysis of the song.
@malcelinho
@malcelinho 6 лет назад
I am from a country where we use the Fixed Dó system, but I get to watch a huge amount of US musicians content. After struggling a little to make associations, I realized that Fá is F in letter notation. So I used this as a anchor to memorize the rest. I hope to have contributed (a tiny bit) to the content. Cheers
@nunu7797
@nunu7797 5 лет назад
Marcelo Gadelha struggling with that too. Thanks for the tip!
@AmandaKaymusic
@AmandaKaymusic 5 лет назад
That works for fixed Do. Working out moveable Do is another kettle of fish. That saying may not translate well. I mean it's in a different ball park. Another step. I never thought of Fa being 'F' when I learned to think in fixed Do (from English to Spanish). It was confusing when people said Si and I automatically went to 'C'.
@lucasamoriim5126
@lucasamoriim5126 5 лет назад
It's also really annoying having to memorize note values in portuguese, spanish, and latin-based languages in general. The english system (Half, quarter, eighth, etc.) is so much easier.
@IcarusRuthven
@IcarusRuthven 5 лет назад
The rhythm names in American English certainly make the relationships between the notes pretty clear. The only drawback I've found is that, especially since we listen to, perform, and teach 4/4 time so much, it can make it harder for a student to learn 6/8 or cut time, etc. Instead of a half note simply being half of the whole note, it's sadly too easy to get stuck thinking of it as half of a measure. When a quarter note doesn't get the beat, it can blow their minds apart.
@nstrug
@nstrug 5 лет назад
Lucas Amoriim that’s not the English system it’s the American system. In England we use crotchet, quaver, semiquaver etc. Although most people who play pop and jazz tend to use the American system of quarter, eighth, sixteenth etc.
@greensteve9307
@greensteve9307 6 лет назад
Great vid! I'm a biologist with no musical skill, but your vids make it so easy to learn about something completely outside my field in an interesting way.
@VioletIsla
@VioletIsla 6 лет назад
More collaborations with Mark! This video was really fantastic and I think we all look forward to more like this!
@rrrosecarbinela
@rrrosecarbinela 5 лет назад
As always, your explanations rock. Thank you so much, and thanks to Mark, who is also a cool YT presence!
@MCMeru
@MCMeru 6 лет назад
This is by far your best video yet! Its so incredibly well structured, and explained in an easy way while covering a lot of information. Bravo!
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI Год назад
1. Favouring Latin alphabet sequence - imperial "superiority" (Roman empire or its medieval Church dogmatisation and domination in schools) 2. Why A is where it is now, and why is it not on (Do, now C) • we can say that because of Г (gamma, G), which was the open string on a monochord called and using seven notes of the old Mediterranean modes used in those areas (Italy, Egypt, Greece\Hellen end Turkey\Anatolia and the Balkans), the first note would be A (coinciding with the Greek Alfa); but due to the fact in Latin the letter G is the 7th one (in Greek it is the 3rd), the medieval ignorant musicologists assigned the G and started with A and continued till the seventh letter G to complete a seven note mode; now another dumb fact is that the first (leftmost) key on the clavichord built at those times was what we now today as A, thus C was the third key - keep in mind back then there were no "black" ("accidental") keys on such instruments… despite the fact Pythagoras invented the 12 note system at least 1000 years before! • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. • now enter the Church and its dogmatic domination and we get the names of the notes, derived from the syllables in the lyrics of a church psalm "Sancte Ioannes", thus we have the dumb note names Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So(l), La, Ti (again only 7 out of 12). 3. Same applies to the staff notation - favouring 7 notes and dismissing the Pentatonic ones (the remaining 5 notes), using "accidental" symbols instead • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. 4. It is so pathetic, I had to create the actual Music notation called PMN → Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli) You can find it online (just search it as is: Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli)
@MisterAppleEsq
@MisterAppleEsq 6 лет назад
2:31 Hah, noteworthy.
@zoelor7923
@zoelor7923 6 лет назад
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of this haha!!!
@mcmasti
@mcmasti 6 лет назад
So much new knowledge! And already my sax playing is improving!
@TheLuizSouza
@TheLuizSouza 6 лет назад
Guys, a tip: if you find yourself having to go back constantly because you're like me and your mind wanders when you're tired, just watch 12tone's videos at 0.75x speed. Seriously, finally decided to do that with this video and I was able to process way more information. Still, I much prefer this type of videos over those by RU-vidrs who speak too slow. 12tone and Mark, thanks for another awesome video!
@PatGBass
@PatGBass 6 лет назад
Awesomely instructional!
@jakeh0916
@jakeh0916 6 лет назад
Hello! Thanks for inviting me over!
@Sighbot
@Sighbot 6 лет назад
But how do I learn how to play the electric 36 stringed double decker brass coiled orchestral wind lap steel Glockenspiel?
@3OrMoreBones
@3OrMoreBones 5 лет назад
A left handed dulcimer with an Acog scope?
@JeremyForTheWin
@JeremyForTheWin 3 года назад
check out the class on Skillshare!
@joncampbell5021
@joncampbell5021 6 лет назад
You should do one on musical periodsromantic, classical, baroque & contemporaryor do one on mozarts Requiem
@BionicHorseBeats
@BionicHorseBeats 6 лет назад
Nice video as usual
@harczymarczy
@harczymarczy 6 лет назад
Movable do is also used in Hungary, it is part of the Kodály method, too (he actually visited England and integrated it into his pedagogical methods). It's not always easy to work together with Transylvanian or Subcarpathian Hungarians because fixed do is preferred in Ukraine and Romania (unless they somehow get used to movable do).
@fergusmgraham
@fergusmgraham 6 лет назад
Alright big chap.... I come to your channel via Tom Scott.... I'm really not much of a music fan, but I have to say that, as a soulless engineer, your deconstruction of music actually makes it more accessible to me. I'm interested to know (from your music theory perspective) if there is anything special about Bohemian Rhapsody. For me it seems to have some "magical" component that makes it resonate (that's too strong but get my drift) and so it makes me wonder if there is something to the composition that can be abstracted or perhaps compared to other songs that have a similar contemporary cultural significance.
@geraldcarty6465
@geraldcarty6465 6 лет назад
I love how you use a picture of the mandelbrot set when you mentioned math.
@BrianAndersonPhotography
@BrianAndersonPhotography 6 лет назад
Fantastic video ;)
@musiccampwithlumpyandlisa9025
@musiccampwithlumpyandlisa9025 6 лет назад
Always a blast to watch your doodling while explaining music. What is the bug-like thing you draw a lot? In this vid it's between "Two octaves" and "Boethian". Looks like an ant? Earwig?
@zigalkodonverven3862
@zigalkodonverven3862 6 лет назад
Congrats on being selected by Tom Scott.
@charliespinoza1966
@charliespinoza1966 6 лет назад
I come from Tom Scott, and I love you. I mean, I love your work.
@nacoran
@nacoran 6 лет назад
Tom Scott is great. I've been watching them both for a while!
@AmandaKaymusic
@AmandaKaymusic 5 лет назад
Thank you all for a most interesting clip. Some questions I have been curious about answered clearly and intelligently. I had no idea that the person who invented moveable Do did so so recently or the new addition to the alphabet of the letter'J'. Fascinating. Where the mode names come from is something I am still curious about. Are the modes named after styles played in different places around the Mediterranean or is that a fable?
@AmandaKaymusic
@AmandaKaymusic 5 лет назад
I realise from reading your pinned comment that the moveable Do came after Sarah Glover with her tonic Sol-Fa. Why is it sometimes called Solfage? Did you know Solfage has a recognised sign language? Questions answer bring more questions to mind. That's why I love the learning I get from your work. Thanks again.
@tob2089
@tob2089 6 лет назад
dude awesome video. also could you do a video on how the kindergarten rhymes get stuck in our head like happy birthday and mary had a little lamb cause its my bday tomorrow
@nacoran
@nacoran 6 лет назад
Repetitive, relatively simple and short- and played a lot? That would be a good topic. I think the more music you learn, the longer the phrases that you can remember the more you like complex music. That's why people who play music usually hate 'pop'. It's simplified so that people who haven't learned to remember longer patterns can remember and sing or dance along. Mary had a little lam is actually stupid close to Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
@alannahroxannetorres4384
@alannahroxannetorres4384 6 лет назад
Could you do an episode on writing counter melodies?
@lawrencetaylor4101
@lawrencetaylor4101 Год назад
Merci for this.
@MuzikBike
@MuzikBike 6 лет назад
If the world could finally adopt the dozenal system, we could assign every single note a single digit and have none left (assuming we're speaking 12TET).
@alsatusmd1A13
@alsatusmd1A13 6 лет назад
Muzik Bike But if the world ever did switch to dozenal numeration, wouldn't we be commonly speaking third tones (i. e. 17/19TET-ish) as well?
@meta04
@meta04 4 года назад
Iykury: and then non-12edo tones are notated by pitch bends with 196608edo resolution.
@AndreaArturoGiuseppeGrossi
@AndreaArturoGiuseppeGrossi 5 лет назад
I'm here thanks to Mr. Adam Neely. And I immediately subscribed! Yay! 😀✌️
@unclerumple9287
@unclerumple9287 6 лет назад
HOLY SHHHHH..... COW! I watch all your vids, but this one blows me away. I’m gonna have to watch it again and again. Thanks for teaching me more musical theory than I ever learned in college. On a side bar - I’ve recently discovered tuning to 432 hz A. So subtle, but suddenly music feels more natural to me. I’d like to hear your comments and am wondering where I can find recordings using 432 A?? Keep on JAMMIN’!
@miomio6890
@miomio6890 6 лет назад
I was always curious why American notations always used the letters since I was taught to always use the Do Re Mi names for notes :D
@PianoTechMaggie
@PianoTechMaggie 2 года назад
Did not know about Sara Glover! Thanks!!!
@NamesElliot
@NamesElliot 6 лет назад
But how can I make that sweet jazz out of this?
@MisterAppleEsq
@MisterAppleEsq 6 лет назад
What if you used some of these notes to make music?
@chriswaite5632
@chriswaite5632 3 года назад
So I wonder why the triad built on the root (Do) called the tonic and the triad built on the 5th (So) called the dominant?
@jan_Travis
@jan_Travis 6 лет назад
Mr 12tone u r really smart at music and stuff but I have a question. We have sharps and flats but how do we determine if it is a flat or sharp? If you put your finger on the 1st fret of the a we get a# or Bb, but is it a A# or Bb?it's the same sound and what not but why do we have 2 different name for the same not?
@AmandaKaymusic
@AmandaKaymusic 5 лет назад
Check out the clips 12Tone has done in the building blocks playlist on the channel. They are a great foundation.
@1412JD
@1412JD 6 лет назад
Could you maybe do a video on understanding master of puppets or cemetery gates
@B3astMass
@B3astMass 6 лет назад
Great video as per, but I've always wondered, whats with the elephant?
@BadWebDiver
@BadWebDiver 6 лет назад
It's his motif.
@quatricise
@quatricise 6 лет назад
One day you should spill an entite package of gummy bears on the table to surprise people
@elmanocristo
@elmanocristo 6 лет назад
The name music comes from _musiké_ _téchne_ . It is Greek for "Art of the Muses".
@DerLolmann666
@DerLolmann666 6 лет назад
In german we use h instead of b. Does any other language handle it like this?
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 6 лет назад
Norwegian does this as well. We also use the same suffixes for sharps and flats as German-speakers do.
@DerLolmann666
@DerLolmann666 6 лет назад
Oh, cool. ^^
@TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox
@TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox 6 лет назад
Czech here, we also use the German system including the suffixes.
@denogowli
@denogowli 6 лет назад
I'm from Sweden. We don't really use that system anymore but we used to. So the older generations still call what I call B H and Bb B. As for the suffixes we still use them so Bb is Bess and C# Ciss for example. We still Wright them with b and # though. Do you do that in Germany?
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 6 лет назад
Plattfitzen The suffixes are for spoken note names, not written ones.
@josiahscott7789
@josiahscott7789 6 лет назад
Hey! I L O V E your videos!!! They are great and I can't wait for more! Post Scriptum: Am I the only one that wishes 12tone had gummy elephants?
@robin888official
@robin888official 6 лет назад
I read a book that states that the "Ut" from "Ut, Re, Mi, Fa, To, Ut" was replaced by the catholic church with "Do" as abbreviation of "Domus" who is the "beginning and the end of everything". - Unfortunately I never found a second source for that anecdote. :-/
@macronencer
@macronencer 6 лет назад
Or it could be just Domus = Home in Latin. That would make a lot of sense, I think!
@omerbennahum1903
@omerbennahum1903 Год назад
Thanks
@daicon2k6
@daicon2k6 6 лет назад
This is great. I also think we should come up with a system to do away with enharmonic names like C# and Db. Maybe instead we could call the note between C and D "Ceedee." And similarly for the others.
@KiraFriede
@KiraFriede 6 лет назад
There is actually a big difference between the C# and the Db when it comes to chords. That's by the way the reason, we do have double sharp and the double flat notes.
@daicon2k6
@daicon2k6 6 лет назад
Sure, but when you write, say, a circle of fifths, you have to decide which name to give them outside of any context of a chord or scale and there's no neutral name to use. You either have to just pick one, or write C#/Db, and this bothers me.
@henryrichard7619
@henryrichard7619 6 лет назад
I don't quite get why we can't just go from A-L and have no sharps or flats at all. It'd be a little tricky for beginners but it seems like it would be a cleaner system.
@nacoran
@nacoran 6 лет назад
Yeah, a system that taught people the pattern of the major and minor scales using named notes that didn't have an implied order would be useful. Solfege sort of does that. There was a kind of piano that tried to do something like that (might have been the Janko?). There was a composer that only wrote in one key, but his piano was set up so it could be moved over to automatically transpose. (That was on either one of 12Tone or Adam Neely's videos recently, I think.)
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 6 лет назад
+nacoran That would be Irving Berlin, who wrote everything in the key of F♯.
@kellyearthrise2453
@kellyearthrise2453 5 лет назад
We use "b" for flat apparently because the word "bemol" means "flat" in Portuguese, which I study, and probably in other Romance languages.
@fonzimendoza1979
@fonzimendoza1979 6 лет назад
Can you do the Theme song to Sanford and Son?
@bluetannery1527
@bluetannery1527 6 лет назад
Hey 12tone! I love your videos but their content constantly flies right over my head. Is there a crash course in music theory you could point me towards? Really, I don’t even know the basics.
@bluetannery1527
@bluetannery1527 6 лет назад
ok that’s not true I know the notes, but not much else
@12tone
@12tone 6 лет назад
We actually have one! We used to produce a series called Building Blocks that looks at music theory from the ground up: ru-vid.com/group/PLMvVESrbjBWplAcg3pG0TesncGT7qvO06
@nacoran
@nacoran 6 лет назад
Learn a bit of piano. Theory is much easier to understand if you at least know the layout. With that you can figure out all the notes in a key just by knowing one pattern, can figure out the circle of fifths, quickly understand the difference between different modes/keys, understand what makes chords major/minor/diminished/augmented... I can barely play anything. I took a couple weeks of courses before I had to quit almost three decades ago because I have bad wrists (I already had the start of carpal tunnel before I started). I switched to harmonica eventually, but I still think of theory in terms of piano.
@220musicschool
@220musicschool 6 лет назад
Damn ! I just wrote a video for my channel on the very same topic, but yours is awesome ! May I add it to my sources ? (just food for thought but did you notice that if we consider Gui d'Arezzo's work as birth of modern musical theory, then it's 950 years old this year ? And it will turn millennium old ten years from now ^_^)
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI Год назад
1. Favouring Latin alphabet sequence - imperial "superiority" (Roman empire or its medieval Church dogmatisation and domination in schools) 2. Why A is where it is now, and why is it not on (Do, now C) • we can say that because of Г (gamma, G), which was the open string on a monochord called and using seven notes of the old Mediterranean modes used in those areas (Italy, Egypt, Greece\Hellen end Turkey\Anatolia and the Balkans), the first note would be A (coinciding with the Greek Alfa); but due to the fact in Latin the letter G is the 7th one (in Greek it is the 3rd), the medieval ignorant musicologists assigned the G and started with A and continued till the seventh letter G to complete a seven note mode; now another dumb fact is that the first (leftmost) key on the clavichord built at those times was what we now today as A, thus C was the third key - keep in mind back then there were no "black" ("accidental") keys on such instruments… despite the fact Pythagoras invented the 12 note system at least 1000 years before! • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. • now enter the Church and its dogmatic domination and we get the names of the notes, derived from the syllables in the lyrics of a church psalm "Sancte Ioannes", thus we have the dumb note names Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So(l), La, Ti (again only 7 out of 12). 3. Same applies to the staff notation - favouring 7 notes and dismissing the Pentatonic ones (the remaining 5 notes), using "accidental" symbols instead • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. 4. It is so pathetic, I had to create the actual Music notation called PMN → Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli) You can find it online (just search it as is: Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli)
@220musicschool
@220musicschool Год назад
@@PASHKULI Wow, this is really badly done 😲 Sorry, but antagonizing a nearly 1000 years old system, that is still changing, adapting and evolving, in order to enforce this half-cooked solution of yours (that seemingly no one has tested or approved but you), painting yourself some sort of genius/hero in the process AND doing it in the answers of the comments of a respected colleague's video... this is a bad marketing strategy, man. Not subtle, and shady at best, too. And just to be clear, I didn't have to answer back, but I kinda dislike that you've chosen one of my comments to do this.
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI Год назад
@@220musicschool The truth does not care about how you feel, I am afraid. Logic is not pleasant, because it requires for people to think without any prejudice and historical luggage.
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI Год назад
@@220musicschool Also, my system is not "half-baked" but fully functional and precise. And it is not even more than a few years old, compared to the old one imposed by the Church, which is almost 1000 years old (but its contemporary version is about 400 yo). Take a look back and tell me how many hours, days, months… years have you spent learning and practicing that "church" notation? When you spent at least ½ of that time on PMN, then your opinion could be taken seriously. Until then, it is only showing ignorance… on both.
@bsmusicd
@bsmusicd 3 года назад
Adding some missing info: A. The Germans began using a through h around 1600 in keyboard tablature which is why in German and English speaking countries tend to use letters to identify pitches B. Kodaly is primarily responsible for dropping 'h' as well as combining German letter names with Glover-Curwen Tonic-Solfa as is used in English speaking countries) C. In the early 18th century the French began associating Do with C. Much of Europe (including Italy and many in France) was still using variants of Guido's original system, which in essence was a moveable Do system D. Standardization in Romance and Slavic language countries occured due to the choice of the Paris Conservatory to use fixed Do in the early 19th Century, hotly debated at the time.
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI Год назад
1. Favouring Latin alphabet sequence - imperial "superiority" (Roman empire or its medieval Church dogmatisation and domination in schools) 2. Why A is where it is now, and why is it not on (Do, now C) • we can say that because of Г (gamma, G), which was the open string on a monochord called and using seven notes of the old Mediterranean modes used in those areas (Italy, Egypt, Greece\Hellen end Turkey\Anatolia and the Balkans), the first note would be A (coinciding with the Greek Alfa); but due to the fact in Latin the letter G is the 7th one (in Greek it is the 3rd), the medieval ignorant musicologists assigned the G and started with A and continued till the seventh letter G to complete a seven note mode; now another dumb fact is that the first (leftmost) key on the clavichord built at those times was what we now today as A, thus C was the third key - keep in mind back then there were no "black" ("accidental") keys on such instruments… despite the fact Pythagoras invented the 12 note system at least 1000 years before! • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. • now enter the Church and its dogmatic domination and we get the names of the notes, derived from the syllables in the lyrics of a church psalm "Sancte Ioannes", thus we have the dumb note names Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So(l), La, Ti (again only 7 out of 12). 3. Same applies to the staff notation - favouring 7 notes and dismissing the Pentatonic ones (the remaining 5 notes), using "accidental" symbols instead • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. 4. It is so pathetic, I had to create the actual Music notation called PMN → Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli) You can find it online (just search it as is: Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli)
@macronencer
@macronencer 6 лет назад
What I'd like to know is why, if 'Ut' was rejected because of the consonant at the end, why is 'Sol' allowed? And why isn't it 'Soh' or 'So'? I have always pronounced it that way. Is the 'L' silent?
@Nattiekat59
@Nattiekat59 6 лет назад
macronencer it was sol originally because of the hymn the original solfege names were derived from, but as you said, it’s really annoying to pronounce the last l so people dropped it. I know in the US (at least where I am) it is very common to write so instead of sol.
@macronencer
@macronencer 6 лет назад
Ah yes, I forgot about the hymn. That makes sense!
@arkady0177
@arkady0177 5 лет назад
Btw, the concept of movable do is pretty old, even Rameau discussed that as an easy option for beginners to learn singing
@BadWebDiver
@BadWebDiver 6 лет назад
And most English speakers first heard Do Re Mi thanks to Rogers and Hammerstein's The Sound of Music. :)
@charliesadler9223
@charliesadler9223 6 лет назад
Do Run, Rabbit, Run and why its used in movies (Get Out) in a creepy way
@quietone610
@quietone610 5 лет назад
@2:13 In the latin alphabet, there is no "J". Indiana iones taught us that.
@williamdailey792
@williamdailey792 6 лет назад
It took me this long to notice that you're left-handed
@p3porro
@p3porro 6 лет назад
It was weird watching you draw and hearing the other guy talking. It was like watching someone move his mouth and having someone else talk for him
@FatManLaughing
@FatManLaughing 6 лет назад
Here in Israel most people use Do Re Mi (.. Si! No one here knows about "Ti") for notations, and A B C (...) for chords. Well generally speaking anyway. It is very confusing for my students.
@SilverHandel
@SilverHandel 6 лет назад
5:51 Sarah Glover didn't invent movable do.
@12tone
@12tone 6 лет назад
Whoops! That's my bad, I wrote that section. I was trying to cut time and I may have oversimplified. She invented Tonic Sol-Fa, which is the system that modern movable do is built off of, but you're right, the underlying premise traces its roots back at least to Guido.
@flohardy2000
@flohardy2000 6 лет назад
Now, why is b called h in some countries?
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 6 лет назад
Flo Ryan B durum, also known as B quadraturum, looks a lot like a lowercase H if you remove the line at the bottom.
@memomusica
@memomusica 6 лет назад
Hi! There is a relatively plausible explanation for this. Importantly, the ♭ was initially not a sign to indicate »flatten this note« (a concept that wasn’t used than as all notation was relative), it was the literal the note a wholetone under the C. A square-looking b was used to indicate that it was the note a whole tone over the A. This symbol looked kind of like an »h« and its also where todays natural sign is derived from. When they started printing music in the 16th century German music printers figured that the »b quadratum« looked kind of like an »h« so they just used the types they already had to save cost. The first music prints disseminated quickly and so this just sort of caught on in Germany. That the H comes after the G in the alphabet is mere coincidence, but creates a lot of confusion.
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI Год назад
1. Favouring Latin alphabet sequence - imperial "superiority" (Roman empire or its medieval Church dogmatisation and domination in schools) 2. Why A is where it is now, and why is it not on (Do, now C) • we can say that because of Г (gamma, G), which was the open string on a monochord called and using seven notes of the old Mediterranean modes used in those areas (Italy, Egypt, Greece\Hellen end Turkey\Anatolia and the Balkans), the first note would be A (coinciding with the Greek Alfa); but due to the fact in Latin the letter G is the 7th one (in Greek it is the 3rd), the medieval ignorant musicologists assigned the G and started with A and continued till the seventh letter G to complete a seven note mode; now another dumb fact is that the first (leftmost) key on the clavichord built at those times was what we now today as A, thus C was the third key - keep in mind back then there were no "black" ("accidental") keys on such instruments… despite the fact Pythagoras invented the 12 note system at least 1000 years before! • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. • now enter the Church and its dogmatic domination and we get the names of the notes, derived from the syllables in the lyrics of a church psalm "Sancte Ioannes", thus we have the dumb note names Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So(l), La, Ti (again only 7 out of 12). 3. Same applies to the staff notation - favouring 7 notes and dismissing the Pentatonic ones (the remaining 5 notes), using "accidental" symbols instead • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. 4. It is so pathetic, I had to create the actual Music notation called PMN → Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli) You can find it online (just search it as is: Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli)
@strayorion2031
@strayorion2031 6 лет назад
5:10 Not only european, here in all latinamerica is also used
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI Год назад
Because om the dogmatic Church domination… you know what I mean. 1. Favouring Latin alphabet sequence - imperial "superiority" (Roman empire or its medieval Church dogmatisation and domination in schools) 2. Why A is where it is now, and why is it not on (Do, now C) • we can say that because of Г (gamma, G), which was the open string on a monochord called and using seven notes of the old Mediterranean modes used in those areas (Italy, Egypt, Greece\Hellen end Turkey\Anatolia and the Balkans), the first note would be A (coinciding with the Greek Alfa); but due to the fact in Latin the letter G is the 7th one (in Greek it is the 3rd), the medieval ignorant musicologists assigned the G and started with A and continued till the seventh letter G to complete a seven note mode; now another dumb fact is that the first (leftmost) key on the clavichord built at those times was what we now today as A, thus C was the third key - keep in mind back then there were no "black" ("accidental") keys on such instruments… despite the fact Pythagoras invented the 12 note system at least 1000 years before! • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. • now enter the Church and its dogmatic domination and we get the names of the notes, derived from the syllables in the lyrics of a church psalm "Sancte Ioannes", thus we have the dumb note names Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So(l), La, Ti (again only 7 out of 12). 3. Same applies to the staff notation - favouring 7 notes and dismissing the Pentatonic ones (the remaining 5 notes), using "accidental" symbols instead • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. 4. It is so pathetic, I had to create the actual Music notation called PMN → Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli) You can find it online (just search it as is: Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli)
@frankyi8206
@frankyi8206 5 лет назад
Fixed do > movable do. I posted that on Facebook and got a lot of flack
@LittleLion93
@LittleLion93 6 лет назад
I have all this A B C D stuff Probably becouse since I live in an italian culture place (canton Ticino, Switzerland). Do Re mi fa sol la si, is much better ;)
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 6 лет назад
The Germanic name for B durum (B in English) is H, while B molle (B flat) became B.
@12tone
@12tone 6 лет назад
Yeah, I was gonna mention that but the video was super long already so it wound up on the cutting room floor, as it were. The history of the German H is pretty fascinating, though. Thanks for bringing it up!
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 6 лет назад
I don't think that many people outside the German-speaking and Nordic countries would notice the omission. Besides, all of that was way later than the main naming of the notes of the scale.
@hetgenie
@hetgenie 6 лет назад
Why is B called H in some music?
@memomusica
@memomusica 6 лет назад
Hi! There is a relatively plausible explanation for this. Importantly, the ♭ was initially not a sign to indicate »flatten this note« (a concept that wasn’t used than as all notation was relative), it was the literal the note a wholetone under the C. A square-looking b was used to indicate that it was the note a whole tone over the A. This symbol looked kind of like an »h« and its also where todays natural sign is derived from. When they started printing music in the 16th century German music printers figured that the »b quadratum« looked kind of like an »h« so they just used the types they already had to save cost. The first music prints disseminated quickly and so this just sort of caught on in Germany. That the H comes after the G in the alphabet is mere coincidence, but creates a lot of confusion.
@hetgenie
@hetgenie 6 лет назад
me:mo Thanks!
@timpeters8136
@timpeters8136 6 лет назад
so Jim used to just be Iim
@BadWebDiver
@BadWebDiver 6 лет назад
Yep, also related to Y. And W is literally derived from it's name - "double U", which is also related to V. Check out RU-vid videos on the history of letters and the ones that have come and gone.
@BpgaMusic
@BpgaMusic Месяц назад
that anicius manlius severinus boethius name made me say wtf?? lmao
@MrInterpriser
@MrInterpriser 4 года назад
Why is it so FAST????
@KryptekDragon
@KryptekDragon 6 лет назад
Are you both left handed?
@TaiStar42
@TaiStar42 6 лет назад
why do songs without lyrics have names like Juggling Feathers??? ... i was so disappointed when i found out it had nothing to do with Juggling Feathers... so I taught myself to juggle feathers...
@calebsousa2754
@calebsousa2754 6 лет назад
Si >>>> Ti
@calebsousa2754
@calebsousa2754 6 лет назад
Cause there's no reason for changing
@SilverHandel
@SilverHandel 6 лет назад
But a raised sol would also be si.
@ronanmcintyre
@ronanmcintyre 6 лет назад
Caleb Sousa Well in English, there is a good reason for changing, because the sound pronounced as "see" could mean the note C or it could mean Si, so saying Ti avoids that confusion
@calebsousa2754
@calebsousa2754 6 лет назад
I know it,that's why i think it's problematic (and unnecessary) to mix the two systems.Anyways english is not my native language so it doesn't matter much to me,i was simply stating an opinion.
@calebsousa2754
@calebsousa2754 6 лет назад
Samuel Wright how come?
@LTDLimiTeD1995
@LTDLimiTeD1995 4 года назад
"In the Latin Alphabet, Jehovah shhtartsh with an I"
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n 6 лет назад
Please explain why I should comment, like, share and subscribe. None of those increase your hand on YT. What you should be saying is watch one of my videos, then watch them all. That will be the most enjoyable for the viewer and most lucrative for you. Please comment and like.
@andyr8812
@andyr8812 2 года назад
It would have been so much easier if notes were just numbered from 1 to 12.
@yeremiafrans9425
@yeremiafrans9425 6 лет назад
YAY SI
@John-ic6zo
@John-ic6zo Год назад
If i slow the video down to 75% I can just about follow what is being said.
@darkskinwhite
@darkskinwhite 3 года назад
my dudes name was manlius lmao
@businesspug2100
@businesspug2100 6 лет назад
Moveable dough...
@NomeDeArte
@NomeDeArte Год назад
We kinda call it Sol, G is for people that aren't the heirs oF THE MIGHTY ROMANS, KNEEL BEFORE US, NOOOOOOOOOOOW. Sorry, what I was saying? Oh, that G is a letter, the note it's call it Sol.
@_souldier
@_souldier 2 года назад
well Duh everything has A Name
@neychev
@neychev 6 лет назад
Is this little animal an elephant
@daicon2k6
@daicon2k6 6 лет назад
Yes, he loves to draw elephants.
@ionianmusic
@ionianmusic 6 лет назад
HA NOT FIRST
@pcastonguay
@pcastonguay 6 лет назад
Your video title is, "Why do notes have names?", but you never really answered that question. Perhaps the closest you came was to answer, "How did the names of notes originate and evolve?", which of course is not the same thing at all. So tell me, "Why do notes have names?"
@nacoran
@nacoran 6 лет назад
Humans like to classify things. To do this, we name them. If you can find a group of things with identifiable characteristics that we don't name, then you have found something really interesting! I saw a study on color names and psychology. The experiment used colored flash cards. People were asked how many cards of a certain color they had been shown. Some languages don't have common words for 'pink'. It's not that people can't tell dark red from light red, but they don't have a word for it, so when they were asked 'how many pink cards were there' they had no idea. People whose language had a word for pink could easily remember how many pink cards there are. Some cultures don't have words for left and right. Instead, they use cardinal directions. It turns out that they do better at remembering how to get places. (I don't know if they do better or worse knowing which hand they are 'supposed' to wear a watch on or what fork to use for what dinner course.) And some music systems use more note names. Indian music has names for the notes in between the notes. On average, someone raised with their scales is more likely to have perfect pitch. (And of course, some people have synesthesia, where they see colors when they hear notes. They also tend to be more likely to have perfect pitch).
@MarlonOwnsYourCake
@MarlonOwnsYourCake 6 лет назад
these names sound fake
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI Год назад
1. Favouring Latin alphabet sequence - imperial "superiority" (Roman empire or its medieval Church dogmatisation and domination in schools) 2. Why A is where it is now, and why is it not on (Do, now C) • we can say that because of Г (gamma, G), which was the open string on a monochord called and using seven notes of the old Mediterranean modes used in those areas (Italy, Egypt, Greece\Hellen end Turkey\Anatolia and the Balkans), the first note would be A (coinciding with the Greek Alfa); but due to the fact in Latin the letter G is the 7th one (in Greek it is the 3rd), the medieval ignorant musicologists assigned the G and started with A and continued till the seventh letter G to complete a seven note mode; now another dumb fact is that the first (leftmost) key on the clavichord built at those times was what we now today as A, thus C was the third key - keep in mind back then there were no "black" ("accidental") keys on such instruments… despite the fact Pythagoras invented the 12 note system at least 1000 years before! • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. • now enter the Church and its dogmatic domination and we get the names of the notes, derived from the syllables in the lyrics of a church psalm "Sancte Ioannes", thus we have the dumb note names Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So(l), La, Ti (again only 7 out of 12). 3. Same applies to the staff notation - favouring 7 notes and dismissing the Pentatonic ones (the remaining 5 notes), using "accidental" symbols instead • the mess is so crazy, it is cringe. 4. It is so pathetic, I had to create the actual Music notation called PMN → Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli) You can find it online (just search it as is: Plain Music Notation (by Pashkuli)
@joseleaci
@joseleaci 6 лет назад
too much fast...
@kirklandraab1999
@kirklandraab1999 3 года назад
So I made it half way through. The fast talking narrator speakers excellent American English but writes from right to left (????) He also added info that is immaterial to the topic. Sorry man, had to walk away from it.
@kasperjoonatan6014
@kasperjoonatan6014 6 лет назад
h is better than b.
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 6 лет назад
Kasper Joonatan Not in F major.
@macronencer
@macronencer 6 лет назад
Nillie is right of course, though I think that if the music is in C then 'H' does have kind of a nice feel to it because its harshness (I think H is 'harsher' than B, lexicographically) represents the more modern 'leading tone' that used to be flattened in earlier music. However, it still bothers me to see three notes a semitone apart with different names - but I expect that's just because of how I was taught.
@AZ-if2mj
@AZ-if2mj Год назад
I am confident that I would like the content of these narrations but the video is so distracting and annoying with the posed scribbling hand that cannot get through even 90 seconds. I am currently annoyed by the video but after a while I will try to minimize the annoying video and just listen.
@catrinacompositions
@catrinacompositions 6 лет назад
Density of information + Cocaine-like speed talking = Viewer Headache. I want to like your channel, but you either need to slow down or convey your information in a more digestible manner. Or both.
@louispearson8306
@louispearson8306 6 лет назад
what a verbose and over encumbering bulk of information.
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