Why Do Open Source? 

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@@-Cocell great point!

Yeah right, same energy with people who seed torrents

Good vibes is a nice way to put it

You already said, he'll have to build whatever he can't use again. Almost like the way IP is handled actually hurts business as well as users.

He said at the beginning its an open source project

I go all in on the money when I'm interviewing, I go all in on the enjoyment/learning/OSS every other time

Almost like there should be a social safety net so these are much less of a concern or something.

You can build together with other people a shelter, crow your food, or even help with medical issues. (Medical bills? Maybe in USA, not in my country, we pay it together in the country) If you ask money for everything you do, like help your brother with his house, that makes your life horrible. You only focus on money, not about helping together. Or like grow your vegetable or fruit in your garden, do you ask everybody money to get some food you grow? Or do you also help other to learn how to grow your own food, give some food to other, and you receive also back from other. Money is the worst thing in the modern world, we forget to help other without expecting something in return. It is about doing things without expecting something back. Also just give something to people you care about. Best things to give is not money, just help people, care about them, and grow together in knowledge.

@@orbatosor stop managing your money badly

True, but I think the assumption was that you were already a working software dev and reasonably well paid.

@@TheBusttheboss for a lot of people it’s deeper than just money management.

@PirateSoftware is just so good though :]

Turns out, illustrating subjects in a visual form is great for teaching and helping people understand.

Thor figured it out. Proper hacker mindset.

@@AmeOFF prove it

Companies scraping the web for their AI models has turned me away from contributing recently

Wasn’t it proved, that copilot uses code from private github repos?

who expects? employers? I've never had a job interview ask if I am active in contributing to open source. I've also have had 100% job rejection rate so maybe that is indeed the missing link. I doubt it though.

you mean forking?

I don't get what's wrong with AI using other people's code to learn. Isn't the whole idea of open source sharing?

Enjoying writing code != open source. Unless you include sharing, dealing with unreasonable people and some legal risk in your definition of "writing code" they don't even overlap. Take two artists, one that spends all their free time drawing but never shares/sells any of it. The other that is paid by a company to create art for their community at no charge. Which enjoys drawing more?

@@Dredge22 I was more addressing the chatter implying working on a project is only worthwhile when it makes money rather than the struggles of open sourcing a project.

haha but he has 10+ yr experience 😏

This is very true but he's also a content creator giving advice for a general audience. Should you make enough money to live on and enjoy life? Yes, of course. Should you make money your main priority? Probably not.

Fug that. You can start contributing at any point. If you have food on the table and shelter, you have no excuse

@@carlerikkopseng7172 I have a few, not interested, not paid, and like doing other things outside of work besides coding.

This is what artists said for a while. And then AI came along, and suddenly the disdain for monetizing a hobby just turned into a fear that they wouldn't be earning money for it in the future (as if most ever did or had interest in it) lol.

@@The-Dirty-Straw but for many art isn't a hobby. I work as musician and sometimes do freelance pixe art, but programming is a hobby to me. the point isn't to never monetize anything, is just that you don't _have_ to, but if you feel good with that, then it's fine

He isn't though...

Exactly. All software that reaches some threshold of revenue after some long time frame (say 15 years) should become open source if the company is still around (eg. Windows XP).

all government software should be open source for sure. especially certain types of software that costs millions of dollars to do nothing but count certain things every four years lol

​@@rand5especially the NSA's stuff

Why

As someone that landed multiple high paying jobs thanks to these "learning adventures" in past time, I wholeheartedly disagree. On top of that: I have zero college debt thanks to it, with even or greater knowledge some rip-off uni would teach me. All it takes is self-discipline and competence to succeed. Which can be difficult, as you will be misled by most as it is in their favor to do so. I think we agree on the "first work, then play" part. I do however see the ROI in play, if done with intent.

Here come the "muh capitalism is the only system that works" people

Your arrogance is showing

He's not wrong though.

@@FireInNight27 I look at Canadian software dev payrolls all day as part of my tax credit job. I graduated Dec 2022 from Computer Science. Some of the most accomplished devs I went to school with still haven't found anything. I grinded and networked for a year trying to break in and met hundreds of people in the same boat. Now I make more than the tech leads with 5 yrs plus I interview for their tax claims. Technical ability has NOTHING to do with compensation, how much your job is tied to revenue does

Or if you simply don't care about some extra money and do stuff only because it's fun and to explore new ideas without a motive like "money".

@@zekiz774 "You can totally learn things in depth without working on an open source project."

Or because you want to contribute to the community.

​@@testacals Why? For reciprocity? I'd rather just give them money. One additional hour from the main dev is probably worth 5 hours of me figuring stuff out. Unless you do many many commits. In which case, you still aren't getting paid 🤡 Maybe you are wealthy and don't require money, but I am not rich and I require food and shelter

no one said anything about closed source nor is that the assumption i have ever had

@@ThePrimeTimeagen Perhaps I misread, but it does come across as implied to me.

Not really if you're employed. Also you completely missed the point. He's saying that you should also do stuff because it's fun not and not only because you get paid for it.

@@zekiz774 you seem to struggle with English. If you are unemployed then it isn't your job.

@@deth3021 I honestly can't remember what I meant with what I wrote. Probably something along the lines of "sometimes your main objective in doing something shouldn't be money" Also if you're employed, working harder isn't really making you more money. You get paid either way