Why do Spiribirds even EXIST?? 

The only thing that annoys me about petalaces is that we didnt get rarity 10 petalaces. It disturbs me so much having everything but one thing the same color.

I see it as a redundant feature. Collecting random birds a minute before every hunt doesn't make the game better in my eyes. I can see why people think it's a terrible feature regardless of how prep intensive the previous entries were.

I think its about the presentation. By making that grey health / stamina bar always visible at the top, people are perceiving that as missing rather than the original intention as bonus. Its ui design certainly gave dissatisfaction to some min maxers too. It’s psychological thing. It’s still the bonus at the end but rather poorly presented IMO

Capcom nerfed health. Also players: playing the entire hunt at 1 hp because of heroics

I remember "the good days" of attempting to craft max and ancient potions mid quest then seeing "crafting failed" and seeing my time and materials dissapear. Truly times i do not wish to return to.

As much as the tent and spirit bugs work well in Rise, I personally don't like them and want to see either one in the next MH (We probably will get the tent anyway), I'll 100% go back and take the 50-minute relaxing gathering quest to be good to hunt for a while, then having to collect birds every single quest. I started MH with 3U and the fact that you had to plan ahead to not run out of crucial items, micromanage and choose which item you need in a quest was a selling point for me. Honestly, I don't really try to challenge myself or speedrun, but I usually don't take the birds because I usually don't need them, and then when I get one shot for it, I feel like I handicapped myself for not taking the birds, but the reality is just that I was too lazy to do it. Back then, I take time to gather honey to get mega potions, and I get rewarded if I didn't have to use them in a quest, cause you can keep them for the next one, that's not the case with the birds. Don't get me wrong, I don't try to say that you're wrong and it's a bad video, that's quite the contrary, those are just my preferences

I also think the online quest search is annoying asf too. It auto searches from my criteria but doesn’t let me choose which of the many quests people post. Meaning constant failed join quest and if too many you’ll be times out from joining online quests for a short time…

I hate the fact that my life bar is not as long as the screen is, that's it I don't care if I had to hunt thousand of kelbi to get their horns to craft a potion, at least, my jauge was full so I just don't look for Spiritbirds anymore, I have just 1 lvl1 jewel for random spiritbirds effects, and gather those that are on the way

spirit birds arent that bad, but the health part feels a bit less like a choice in a game like this where it might make the difference between getting oneshot or not. i super enjoy the hunting helpers though and i wouldve loved to see these systems in a game like world, where the maps are more appealing to explore.

I think the complaint comes from people who don't know that you always start the hunt at 150 HP (if you eat) but the petalace indicator for the HP & Stamina shows you could have more, thus creating the illusion that pre-hunt buffs were nerfed. Removing those indicators would probably solve the complaints since people see it & think they didn't get fully buffed when spiritbirds are infact extra bonuses.

Man, hearing you refer to the "dark days" and "ancient" times of MH hurt my soul a little. In tri /3U I loved going on gathering expeditions. Farm the ore/bone/consumable mats > make the set to kill the monster > use that set to farm other monster, etc. You hit the nail on the head though. Current gaming is all about the 10-15 minute game-loop and Rise balances that against the grind well. It's important to have that "down time" that chill gathering sessions used to have that balanced the game and added variety to sessions. it can't all be explosions and severed tails flying everywhere.

I get what you are saying here, but the problem with the spiritbirds is that you have to do it every single hunt, and it's especially annoying if you have to hunt with others. Yes, before you had to go on gathering quests, sacrifice pouch space and all that, but that was all part of the preparation previous to the hunt. Now you have to prepare for the hunt WHILE you are already hunting, and that's what makes it annoying, i want to do all my preparations and then focus on hunting, it's not fun to have to dedicate time for it when you want to be killing the monsters. When playing with friends it makes things even more annoying because everyone is gathering the birds on their own and then we had to re-gather to start the fight, and sometimes one of the team just couldn't find as many birds and took longer to get started and it's just so boring and annoying! With Gathering quests you could simply do the gathering on your own time and then have everything ready to hunt with your pals, it simply dosn't work.

I'm also a long time player (veteran as they say (?)) There are days where I appreciate birds, I love how they look and it gives me time to think before battles, but there are also times where I just want to get over the hunt, especially when I randomly joined someone else's quest, they would kick me sometimes. Im neutral about this and heck to the no... I don't want freedom 2 back, nope. It is nostalgic but I love how enjoyable MH is right now. Back then it felt like boot camp, sure you got better and going in latest MH games, you're already tuned in but I'm getting old I guess, I appreciate QOL features.

While I don't think a return to the old ways would make veterans quit, that's probably true for new players. Spirit Birds and endemic life, as well as camp item replenishment are all optional, as you say, so people shouldn't complain. Just ignore festures one doesn't like, it's what I do.

I will always maintain the only reason people complain is cause they can see the white bars all the time. I love your videos, they make me analyse what I dislike and why... often I see that my mindset is wrong.

I absolutely LOVE the newer MH system of everything basically being integrated into the area/world/hunt. It feel denser, less monotonous, and frankly, I even love gathering now - so much so that I love starting over to force the requirement so I have a reason to go do it.

I've watched a couple of your videos, and godamn, every video you upload has hotter take than the other.

Disagree about the pouch space , from MHFU to Rise i always carry 2 max potions and 1 ancient potion along with anything i deemed necessary for the hunt , they are cheap to craft by end game and depend on your skill you won't even use 1 . Never feel being pressure by the lack of space and yes , this statement also applied to the Pre-world when the material also share the same pouch as item . Nowadays they get into a different pouch . But you know what will be always waste on hunt , TIME . This is even more relevant on High level afflicted invest when your timer got cut down and monster HP and damage got a boost , and of course it also a multi-hunt quest . Every time LS wannabe jump to Risen / High level afflict they got instantly cart to the point i have to set up a custom shout out to get them to gather bird ( if they are OK with it that is...) . Bird is a must because ours HP and Stamina got nerfed and you can't do anything about it except wasting time grabbing bird and licking Capcom shoe and praising them what a great game design it is .

I love spiritbirds than having a separate mission to gather mats for buff potions that will mostly fail every combination. Planning spirit bird routes is still relaxing as when I'm doing gathering quests in older Gen titles especially since I play MHFU until now. In MHRise, it's like gathering quest and slaying quest at the same time.

Hey Ix, I've posted in other videos how I took a hiatus from this game after base 1.0. I'm now grinding through anomalies. Up until this point you know what I really missed? Monster tracks. And now that we have investigations again I'm glad we do, but I still miss the tracks.

I'm glad monster hunter hitting a bigger stage but my god can't have even just one minute without the complaints

I think the problem is they'd rather just get the fight over with instead of taking 5 mins to buff up to NOT die in 2-3 hits... Given my general philosophy is "dead hunters deal no damage", I take my time to gather birds before a fight.

The thing that I never understood was when they always complain about the running around to get them where as now you can just have the spirit birds call skill and now these you can just meld a talisman with spirit birds call skill in it. Sure it wasnt like that in base rise and sunbreak and you had to make the garangolem armor just to have it, but now since chaotic gore magala came to sunbreak you and it's even better since you can meld a talisman with the spirit bird's call skill with the aurora melding not only that we have mp accelerates which speed up the melding pot.

Just started playing Rise and new to Bow, love your videos and I really appreciated this one. Being a new player I enjoy gathering and have fun collecting the song birds and fish buffs before I engage the monsters. Do you think you might do a new bow guide for beginners if one is needed for any changes that have been made since your last? I am also trying to see what early game sets I want t focus on, I really just started the game last night haha. Thanks for the videos !

Very good video. Back in the day, the real challenge was not carting. Simply because it cost so many resources to get back to the 150 Health and you lost all the food buffs. In fact, I used to stay at 100 when I carted until I had to down a Mega Potion. Simply because it was the most efficient way to use it. Since World we have 150 Health baseline and Capcom is using it. Getting more is still optional, but you don't want to be in the super moves even with 200. Now in Rise, I tend to get Spiribirds to just be more comfortable. Takes a few minutes, but greatly benefits my experience. Unless I'm feeling a bit frisky and want to check out if I'm faster, actually, by not investing that time. Low as it is with Call and Chammy Blessing 1. Just straight to the Monster and into the action. Which has much of the same effect downing the Mega Potion only when I absolutely had to used to have. I play more carefully but also keep up the aggression and even get more aggressive as I get better at reading the Monster (and my stats increase in Sunbreak). If you really are in that area where getting the Birds is annoying to no hell, but you feel like you have to get them, do what I just described. That way you still get all the benefits for the cost of two 1-Slots and you'll learn how to behave when you're more "vulnerable" while also eventually being a god. It's this neat little skill called adaptability that is at the core of any Hunt in this series.

As a host I find it peaceful running through my routes collecting birds before everyone else shows up. It's not like you have to go out of your way to pick them up, they're literally everywhere. I do think it'd be cool if every map had one of those special birds that maxes you out somewhere out of the way and hard to get to. Maybe make them spawn in random locations or something. You'd need to do some crazy parkour to get it. Would add an extra little something to each mission I think.

Something good about the newer games also is: what you see is what you get, if i see a herb plant in world rise i get herbs, while in older games you had to stop and gather on a spot to maybe get what you want and you just press a button and are quickly done with it, it may seem like a small thing but its honestly my main annoyance when playing games like GU or freedom unite now even if i enjoy those games a lot still.

What the hell, I love the Spiribirds system now!

People are STILL bitching about this? Oy. My Spiribird route in each map gets me TONS of gathering mats that inevitably become handy later on. And I can still get all that done (full spiribird buffs + a pouchfull of mats + monster ded) in about 15-20 minutes average. A bit longer if it's a multi-monster hunt. Doesn't reduce my enjoyment of the overall hunt in the least. I dunno, I get a nice endorphin rush in small increments with every bird buff as much as I do landing a crit on a monster's weak point.

There is a way to get birbs and engage the monster faster. Spiribirb call lv1 will fill you with random birb every 1 minute, and chameleos blessing lv 1 deco can double the birb effect for a chance. And that only cost 1deco lv 1 slot. There is rampage deco too that attack you deal to monster have chance give you birb randomly.

Good stuff as usual my guy Iixxion. In Sunbreak they made gathering the birds even EASIER too. with Spiribirds Call (a one slot deco) and a dango that has a chance to double every bird you pick up including ones that come to you from Spiribirds call. I don't mind the birds in Rise. I won't be mad if they don't return, but I wont be upset if they do either.

Just because 20 years ago Capcom decided to do it some way to artificially inflate the game time experience for their console games, doesn't mean that the current interaction is good, World has done it right for many features of the game, and they should have become baseline for future expectations. There is absolutely no justification to artificially put in hurdles just so you can survive end game monster's "pseudo-one-shot" mechanics, specially on multiplayer, so much so that people opt to play almost exclusively on the arena maps for the 200+ anomalies grind whenever it is possible.

I'm already at the point where I can kill the monster with in 8 minutes, but that is on the S+ days where I channel the ten percent godly powers of my SNS, but I'm not a god the rest of the time. I enjoy gathering and preparing ahead, the crafting system and gathering make it easier for me to have an extra surplus of mega potions and honey. It is my choice to hunt like that

For me those pickups did lessen my map knowledge to a minimal amount, i dont need these birds because intrepid heart and other shields exists, so as result i barly know maps in rise. Also i miss my Farm in Pokke village i liked those cats so funny to see them run in with big barrel bombs on their hand and getting flung out again xD

already toldya guys, spiribird gem + birdcaller dango 4 is the way to go if you don't want to collect usually. no one listens to the guy with creepling anxiety'

I honestly love spirtbrids I feel like it gives u a nice feeling of getting stronger throughout the quest and it's fun imo to run around before the quest getting spirtbrids mining bug catching etc.

Spiribirds is a good example of loss aversion. Being able to reach 250 health by collecting birds doesn't seem to pay off the fact that you start at 150. This is also known as being spoiled or underappreciation.

I usually tend to forget to use them after gathering all those endemic life lol totally focused to doing hits 😅

before rise people really missed the strategic and preparation gameplay instead of just going out with your weapon and killing the monster cause thats all you had to do, but now that we have it, they complain. It's good that they made very difficult monsters so that we could engage in that strategic and prep playstyle so we would last against the battle

I am playing through rise almlst to sunbreak and haven't used the spiribirds for real yet are they that good?

A little late to the party, but that gave me the benefit of commenting after the gone updates are done I don't mind going around to look for spiribirds at the start of each hunt, as it align well with me clearing any gathering subquests I might have picked up, but it kinda baffled me why they didn't add new petalaces into the into the game like they did with Rise. I would have loved a Fatalis-style petalace, one that quickly reaches its max values after only a couple spiribirds Heck, it doesn't even have to have super high max values, I would love one that extends all values by only 50 units, but only takes like 2 or 3 of each spiribird to max out.

Nah id like to go back to no storage to camp and old style. Eat and bring 2 max potions and an ancient potion you cart the max amount with assurance you still have full health with 2 item slots

I like the endemic life along Rise and Sunbreak, but for some reason Life and Stamina spiribirds hit different, attack defense hunting helpers and all the other things feel right, and arena missions spiribirds feel great, but i dont think spiribirds act well as a REPLACEMENT of max health and stamina skills. (even worse when entering high level investigations) Nutrients and max potions could be farmed and bought with points(mhfu forward), you went couple egg hunts/arena quests, and thats all, hard quests settled with max hp till the next rank. now you have to stop the quest you doing to get them again and again, interrupting the gameplay flow every single hard quest, not just once in a while. Hp+Stamina skills are an optional slot in world/iceborne that works with the food to give you 200hp and both the food and the skills are a bonus, not base-line. Now you have a bonus you need to stop playing mh go jump around couple minutes every hunt to fill. And despite that, i kinda like spiribirds as a concept, an optional bonus, but Hp ones needed a bit of a rethinking in my opinion.

I think the biggest miscomseption I also see with the birds is that 'We don't get our max health anymore, we HAVE to go find the birds.' Which just...isn't true? I've been playing Sunbreak and Gen U Back to back lately and I've noticed that in Gen U's canteen you can't surpass 50 in both Health and Stamina, granted you eat the right food. In Rise, you get 50 outright from the GET GO and beyond. And then it hit me; The birds aren't the max, they're BEYOND the max. And even if someone says 'Oh, anomaly quests with tighter timers don't give me the time to go get buffs.' If you're not doing enough damage. A. Make a better set or change your strategy. And B. Spiribird's Call is a decoration that exists now and gives you a random bird buff every like, I think it's 20 seconds until you've hit your max in every stat. I've ended hunts fully maxed before because of it. TL;DR, Spiribirds aren't the max, and you've always gotten and still do get max from the canteen. The Birds are extra, and getting them is easy, and even easier now in Sunbreak thanks to Spiribird's Call being a decoration now. Awesome vid by the way.

tbh this "problem" is something that capcom has fabricated with their almost obsessive concentration on preparation. the gamers got used to almost obsessively optimizing their inventory,gear and buffs pre hunt, to then have everything ready from the moment the quest starts. by putting the buffs in the same quest as the monster, capcom has completely disrupted the players flow of thought with an *extra step* that doesnt exist. you dont have extra work to do, youre still doing a preparing gathering run, its just that you dont have to pass 2 additional loading screens for it

Dude even packing Spiribird's Call can mitigate these complaints from these players. They can pick up NO BIRDS and still be rewarded the longer the hunt goes. Yeah it's random but passively getting them is such a godsend and it's A ONE SLOT DECO. I feel like the devs made getting spiribirds way easier with this and people kind of just overlooked it

I’d pay five dollars a month for a Prism Bird at the beginning of each hunt.

This was a great take!

Remove the Spiribirds, remove the box access, return to the "dark" times. When I could gather when I wanted to gather and hunt when I wanted to hunt.

The only thing that isn’t fine is that it’s literally the only way to reach max health and that’s actually insane

i dunno, sounds like a bunch of mental gymnastics just trying to prove that spiribirds were a good addition to the game. Feels like a waste of time every hunt, world did it better, and it should have never changed

I think that a lot of this debate stems from the FEELING that spiritbirds are a necessary mechanic that you must do every hunt no matter what. When in practice, it isn't. Anyone with the confidence and skill behind they're weapon of choice can go out and take down any monster without the assistance of the spiritbirds. The only place in the game where this feeling is strongly enforced is at the upper end of the anomaly investigations. Can't really prove this without anyone from the anti-spiritbird camp giving their opinion, but I think this is where a link between the two sides of the debate can be found. On one side we have something along the lines of, "I don't see what the big deal is. It only takes a few minutes to get the birds and then you're back at it. What's the problem?" Followed by the very simple answer of, "I just like them as a mechanic. I hate being shoehorned into collecting them. I want to spend my time hunting not collecting." And on BOTH sides, albeit pretty rare, there are those who look down on and mock whichever side they happen to oppose. All this stems from a collective refusal to simply shake hands, let people play how they want to play, and form and keep their own opinion as to what they do and don't like about the game. Debates like this start because someone believes that their opinion is better than someone else's and that they should play the game similarly to them. Personally, I like the spiritbirds. I enjoy the calm before the storm. Gives me time to plan and strategize. But I understand and accept that not everyone likes to do things my way. And honestly, it's better that way.

2:11 collective ass as opposed to collective soul

Dang make me feels old at mention of MH 1, 2 and tri 😅 haven’t played any since and thinking of getting rise… 😅😅😅

You raise a good point in spiribirds reflecting clever game design. But I think you contradict yourself when you bring up the fact that the average player doesn't play perfectly or even close to that. For those kinds of players, maxing out their health and defense is basically necessary for them. And you brought up in a more recent video about defensive builds that "get good" isn't legitimate advice. I feel a balance between hunter/gather mechanics and maxing out health and defense would've been better. Maybe if spiribirds only boosted offensive stats like attack and affinity, people wouldn't find them as annoying. That way health and defense could be boosted by eating food or craftable items. Either way, great video. I like how open minded you are about anti meta builds. And that soothing voice just got you a new sub.

The bigger issue with spiritbirds is that it contradicts the get in and fight mentality of sunbreak. It isn't logical to compare it to games before World, as World introduced a much bigger mainstream audience than the old games ever had. The QoL changes in World are why it seems like it's taking a step back. You wouldn't compare a game to a version 2 or 3 back, you would compare it to the one just before. Also, going from 100 health to 250 is not an insignificant amount. The spiritbirds were almost meant to be an excuse for you to explore the map with your improved mobility and speed. I don't think spiritbirds are game breakingly horrible, but if you're used to hunting with any sort of efficiency, they do become tedious very quickly. They seem to be one of those features that started off with Rise and they just kind of let it become forgotten, just like the Rampage. If they wanted to continue the spiritbird design and make them meaningful, they would've added MR versions of Petalaces, but both Petalaces and Rampage were obvious that they were not good or liked, so they didn't carry that gameplay forward. Also, if they made more powerful versions of Petalaces, it would put even more emphasis on the birds and probably cause more frustration. Again, they are not insignificant buffs. That's why they give you a max bird on arena quests. That's why people mod their game to put a max bird at every spawn. Any time you put a game mechanic that becomes tedious to the player, they will mod the game to "fix" it, whether it be spiritbirds, talismen, or decos in world etc.

Honestly I never got the spirit bird complaints, it take like 3-4 minutes to gather the birds without a palimute (the palicos give too much utility), and along the way you’ll get a lot of different useful endemic life and will probably be going in the direction of the monster

Are there routes I need to learn for this? im still in low high rank

Eh. I still enjoy finding a quick spirit bird route to the monster

They have just been giving us the illusion of having "fun" there are so many things in the game don't need to be here

Meh, I just preferred that inventory management aspects of previous game, and the whole ritual of chugging buffs like you're dying of thirst before every hunt. But you know how I fix the issue? I don't use the tent, and I don't pick up birds.

People complaining health problems? man, lets see, yes its a vital thing to take note but soon you realise, endgame monsters can kill you in one hit, or hit hard to drain most of health bar its a sorta lesson that say, you aren't invincible, take it or dodge the hit and you can feel satisfied that you dodged a bitchslap from enemy

Also spiritbirds may look like boost but its not, if you actually played without spirit birds you will notice that health and stamina dosent work same when you go highrank and MR

But, but, but... what about... hang on...

They should meet us halfway. Ancient potions could give 25 HP/STAM and birds the other 25. Both camps “happy”. Instant buff like world but also some added bonus while you out on the hunt. I personally hate the system but that’s just me.

I never understood why people complained about the birds. I thought it was a nice little optional bonus. But then, I tend to forget that most people complaining about anything in MH, are coming from World as their first title. I have to say, back in 3U, and somewhat in 4U even, you might not even have enough room in your pockets to carve! Haha, the good old days... And remember the "gather 20 choice mushroom" quests, etc, and you'd have to start throwing stuff away everytime you gathered a new item? But gathering quests in Gen were much better with the Prowler class. Side note, anyone think the Prowler class should make a comeback?

my only issue with monster hunter nowadays is that since hunters get stronger with each installment, capcom decided that the only way for monsters to catch up is by spamming meteors everywhere. It gets increasingly ridiculous with every game I swear😂I wish the monsters were a tad more grounded in their fights while still being difficult to play.

I use berserk build and I didnt bothering gathering the bird …

I play this game much more than my friends do, but every time I play with them and I go around and pick up Spiribirds... They question me about why I do it, saying it's a "waste of time". But to me, being on the grind for Anomaly level 300, getting some additional health, defense, stamina and attack stats feels like second nature now. I spend a minute or three walking to the monster instead of fast traveling to it, and I get to live a hit I otherwise wouldn't have. It's only beneficial to me, at the end of the day, and I don't feel like my hunts take significantly longer by picking some birds up. I feel like people throw shade at the Spiribirds not because they are a "bad" mechanic, but because they haven't yet had a "real" reason to go out of their way and gain these bonus stats.

overall i enjoy the idea of spiribirds as a concept. However i do wish that HP was not one that was included. I think that the Attack, Stamina and especially the Defense Birds should have been more impactful. Then the game doesnt need to be balanced around assuming all players have an additional 100 HP and players who wanted to have more damage or defense could still collect birds and truly feel rewarded for it. Meanwhile those who didnt enjoy the bird mechanic can ignore it and not feel as though they are being severely punished.

IMO the spiritbird system is good but it shouldn't take away all the bonuses each quest. Repetitiveness becomes boring. Personally I would take away a percentage of the bonuses on carting or quest completion, so subsequent quests would require only a fraction of the spirit bird gathering and there's more motivation to farm spirit birds since they'd become a semi-persistent bonus.

I'd rather fight or pick up actual items than chase after magic birds every single quest

I mean I don't like that you can restock items from the tent and I don't like spiritbirds

Bruh, need more hp ngl, i dont mind gathering birdies, gimme more health

So many spiritbirds haters and health being nerfed but every """smart hunter""" it's running the same Dereliction builds with the same armor pieces with the same switch sets Let the people enjoy the game, and maybe you can enjoy it too

Naw people who say they like the spiribird system are mid. I like the old system of popping an ancient and fighting the monster. Going the same route for spiribirds after 1000+ hunts is not fun.

also wet some are takeing in to kinsitorayins is that the bons healt and samitna ther then them all redey being ther to some point the bons haelt and satmna barsis are part do to both the dongos and petalacesis you put on befor even leveing for a hunt so that to is y wen starting a quest in rsie or sunbrake ther are gery partsis to both the haelt and satmna barsis its not that ther missing ther ther but if you wet thos bonsis you hav to go get thos spirt birdsis to ther wise wet you even see in this video with the green and yellow barsis thos partsis that are wite or grey are the bons haelt and satmna do to you so if you go runing right to the monster both the green and yellow barsis will look how thay do even won cuz you may not be trying to rush the hunt but thas wet your doing to your self be not go after them its not that you hav not geting redey as you hav not even begun the hunt yet so by got yello spirtbirds you get more satmna if you get more green spirtbirds you get more haelt and along the way thers thing to help you keep going hreb for poinsis antadot fo anteypoins huskbersy for amo needillbersis for picersis amo yellow musroomsis for things to paralziey dug fo exozt aom and cotin fier herb for fier amo and alll this can be found wilde you go abuot geting spirtbirdsis and all thos things are usis in alcme and if you mark them as a musth make item wen you go to grab them thay will trund into thos alcme itmes you wood make so wilde hunting you do not hav to make them as offend you stell can make them on quest if you like but you hav to do so your self the game dos not do all fo every thing for you you hav to do some your self to juts like if you wet to make armor you hav to ther kill the monster or capsher it in a tarp like a pitfall or surktarp tho ther are ther ways fo tarping to hav a nices day

Your inability to see how the "option" to gather things to help when there's already the other side of the game (village/farm/argosy) is set up is maddening. Games can't require extraneous amounts of time to set up for potential damage to be as "fun" as they can be - its autistic min maxing for the sake of 2 to 5 minutes to have an enjoyable 15-20 minute hunt adds up over the lifetime of the game or number of hunts. You said it yourself - it's all a choice. Why do I have to "choose" to be less powerful if I don't collect all of the things each hunt, use item bag/toolbar buffs, and manage out my village and farm? That's where hunt times get bloated over the course of the game, especially the longer you play it.

It’s not even 5 minutes to be honest. Especially if you have 1 Spirit Bird Caller deco. (Optional, LV3 or Lv4 Spiritbird Dango.) Don’t understand these complaints on an *optional* mechanic. Which, again, if you want the buffs, look into just one deco.

All valid arguments but there is one aspect to the birds that is in contradiction to Rise design ethos and that's the quick pick up and play if those birds take 5min to get fully stacked that's 5min increase to the minimum viable time commitment. As a parent having 15min of free time to do a hunt is totally different to having 20min time window. With worlds system I could have dedicated time for example before bed when I had un interrupted time to gather the materials even if they were as "hard" to get as in 3rd or 4th gen. This is a design decision but it was not made to players convenience.

I understand your point of older games having health being less accessible, but its not a good reason going forward to have a bad one. It sucks having to waste time every quest to run around and pick them up. It was fun the first few times, but its monster hunter - not rinse and repeat bird collector. If anything they should do the spirit birds, but once per new area, and now just be blessed with whatever stats you picked up like a permanent buff for that zone. Have less birds, more scattered - make it a scavenger hunt, but just once. (or once per rank?) But l appreciate the attempt on a new system and way to buff, but this just feels like its wasting my time and not doing the 'fun' stuff i want to do. Also given how "grindy" this game is, the constant bird collecting issue is exacerbated.

the mechanic would work better on a game like world, rise is more about going to the monster and fight them, more frenetic, thats the gameplay idea its a okay idea in the wrong game

Spiribirds force you to run routes before engaging. It's a catch-up mechanic for undergeared hunters imo.

The folks that overly complain about the spirit birds are the same folks that complain when a new monster is released and they can't just use their high dps builds to wack it to death and complain that the monster is too hard or cheap. I like the spirit birds it's fun to gather them for me. I wish more players took the time to gather them instead of just unga bunga the hunt whenever they get into one (long sword and duel blade users especially I'm looking at y'all) instead of wasting team carts. Nothing wrong with loving the old monster hunter games but if your thoughts are that the new games are so disastrous go back and stay playing the old ones no one is stopping you all from doing that.

I just wish they were on the map. So you didn't have to Google them

no lie this is my only real gripe with the game.

Boxes at camp need to go away I like managing the stuff i take in generations ultimate. The food could just not wear off after carting.

Rise is actually very nice already compared to mh 2g days

I personally think the spirit are amazing because the majority of the quest have 50min time. Like you so much free to to go fishing, collecting spirit birds, cook well done steak and go mining. And you still got a lot of time left.

Personally, I disagree with your take on Rise giving you the opportunity to ignore gathering by implementing spirit birds. You’re argument (unless I’m misunderstanding it, which is DEFINITELY possible) is that spirit birds are good because they are a new form of gathering to replace the old one (no more need of going on a gathering quest cause you can just collect everything you need in the first minute of the quest). I disagree with the part of gathering quest no longer being needed. The way I understand it, your argument is OldSchool=50 minute gathering quest then hunt, NewSchool=gathering for 1 minute during hunt. While I agree with the oldschool take, personally, as someone who still likes to use the items that give me an advantage (aka non Endemic Life items), I still have to go on gather quests anyways. So I’m still going out on gather quests, collecting items, farming, getting prepped for a hunt.. then I start a quest and have to do even more prep by collecting birds since their bonus is no longer available as a farming piece of material, and then hunt the monster. So let’s say gather quest now take less time because of spiritbirds. For me, it still feels like going on a newschool = 30 minute gather quest, then at the beginning of a hunt spend 1 minute collecting birds, then I can actually hunt. Personally, I think the only fix that the game needs is to just add the items back and that’s it. Imagine having one of two options. Option 1 being you can choose to have permanent health during the quest at the cost of spending time collecting birds at the beginning (this can be favored by those who don’t want to spend time collecting materials for max potions before a quest), or Option 2, you can temporarily have max health at the beginning of a quest instantly at the cost of both preparing for it earlier / losing it on cart (this can be favored by those who don’t want to spend time collecting spirit birds during the quest). At the very least, having it work this way can be an extra reward for players like me who still spend a lot of time gather materials on expositions anyways

People HATE "getting with the program"...or was it called" adapting to survive". Like I'm going to walk up on Afflicted Shagaru at BASE health so it could 1 shot me(there is NO RESISTANCE for frenzy explosions. No deco to reduce damage from it.)!?! Rather use GL with wirebug whisper lv3,artillery lv3,quick sheath lv3,load shells lv2,guard lv5,guard up lv3,speed eating lv3 to deal with such after adding spiribird call lv1to setup.

Only thing i kinda want them to take away is the infinite item restocking and kinda the gear switching. Or as a compromise idk make you able to reserve a supply drop for extra potions and stuff. Just feels odd that these camps would carry all yout extra gear and items. But thats just me and my liking to the preparation before the hunt and not in the hunt :)

2 mins per quest for perma buffing + 7-15 mins of fight with a monster seems pretty good to me. That or faming materials for a max potion which can be demoralizing because u have to farm farm for 50mins or so for maybe 4-7 max potions at best. Capcom also gave us the option to re-eat a meal for a better option. I'm just looking forward for the next MH game.

I see what u mean but comparing everything with the older games is pretty lame thing to do, like a game always tries to improve and try new things out especially in this case and just saying u should be happy bc in older games u didn’t have any of this is a weird take . As for me i would prefer to do an different quest to farm materials and then do my hunt to hunt not always together kinda breaks the flow of the game.

A few days late but as a veteran to the series I prefer how it was before. The gathering, the health etc. but I agree it’s not as beginner friendly. Which is not what capcom and us veterans want. We want things to be more beginner friendly so there will be more players to the series.

Monster Hunter evolved to something different that what it was before, dont get me wrong, i love monster hunter rise, but to me, an OG player that his first MH game was MH Freedom 2 on the psp, there was a thing from spending and planing your hunt, like... really, if you didnt prepared at all, you suffered the consequenses, it WAS a HUNTING game, you vs the monster. Indeed i still play some on emulators on my mobile. Today "Gathering" feels something like a chore... but only that, not really a substance, just a mere buff, before you really had to thought throughly your plan, think ahead what would you do to hunt the monster, was really challenging and i loved it. I know its niche gaming... but i really missed that feeling but with better enviroments and what not. i like and I enjoy MHRise, i mean, a lot, but I get the feeling of people complaining MHrise being more... casual? I dunno how to explain it, but the hardcore part and the most dificult was indeed what you call "painful" its the steep learning curve that has, but once you are on the other side... uff... each hunt feels a lot rewarding, much more than today. I felt proud of the sets i did to pass the game. i love your videos, just in this case, i dont share the view, but its good the changes made people discovered the franchaise and more easy to play Edit; grammar

Cheap method of inflating game time. Not many seem to find it fun and how it was before it a completely irrelevant point. Still isn't fun running around the map regardless. Rather just fight the damn monster.

I just bought Rise. I'm only on four star quests and I already hate Spiribirds and how much of my time they waste. 8-10 minutes running around collecting them only to spend five minutes to kill the monster. Might be forgivable if the devs weren't spiteful bastards about making the birds the ONLY way to get your health up. No Vitality skill, no Nutrients, max and ancient potion don't max your health. They knew this system sucked.

I started with world before working my way back to 4u. So far, I've found the success of the hunt more satisfying on the older games. I end up just mindlessly hunting in the new games... To me that is removing something crucial. The emphasis on streamlining games reminds me of the newer movies being put out. Pretty to watch but only really enjoyable if you don't want to think too hard. Some times I do want that restriction and tedium since it adds to my enjoyment. So for me, this hasn't been an "added more" but rather hollowed out the experience. On the surface is more but underneath is less. The shortest way I can state this is: it isn't that these features aren't adding, it is that what they add seems like a slippery slope to a bloated, turn your minds off kind of play. I find that to be what perturbs me the most about this.

My Pee brain just tells me one thing BIRB!