I've always got the impression that morrissey is a professional contrarian. If he was in a room of cure fans he say he hates the cure and if he was in a room full of people who dont like the cure he would say he loves the cure. I think he gets a thrill out of getting people upset.
@@Kaleltgdepends on how it’s done. If he just comes off as a right twat, no one will get his point and just get defensive against him. I understand that living in an echo chamber isn’t healthy, but too many people use “just trying to get you to reflect, bro” as a bullshit excuse to piss people off because they personally enjoy it. Even if they’re being sincere, no one asked.
When I first caught wind of the Chinese comment, long ago Alice In Wonderland was banned in China under the premise that "Animals are a subspecies" My thought was Morrissey was referencing and inverting that, consciously or otherwise
@@oscillatewildly6553 Morrissey has inspired me 37 years ago to become a vegetarian and thousands of other people who in turn have inspired other people there by doing absolute actual good in this world.. not to mention the fact that he is responsible for the greatest music that's ever been made by humankind's ignoring that fact for the time being. But no let's totally invalidate him for speaking up about an absolutely abhorrent disgusting practice. Let's take one of animals most passionate and effective advocates off the board because he didn't completely sterilize his language when speaking about something that he's passionate about. This planet is truly in trouble
As regards to his support for For Britain, I believe what he's actually opposed to is Islam and an ideology that prohibits homosexuality, given that he specifically made a point of commending the party leader "for wanting everyone in the UK to live under the same law". As far as I'm aware all of his other 'racist' remarks have been pertaining to animal welfare, or simply feeling sentimental about the way things were when he was young
I don't agree with everything he says and he can come across as insensitive at times, but I do think a lot of stuff gets taken out of context. I mean he even has a song called 'All the Lazy D*kes' lol. His lyrics are uniquely vulnerable and I think his sentimentality with regards to British culture comes from him having the same needy attachment style that makes him a great songwriter
Pretty much irrelevant. Support of homosexuality is a very western thing (and in non-western parts of the world, it's usually western influence that slowly leads to gay acceptance). Pushing western values on people who don't hold those values is cultural imperialism. Or western chauvinism. Or whatever you want to call it. If you would reply to this by trying to reason that SOME forms of cultural imperialism and colonialism are okay as long as they have the "right" intentions, then at that state of conversation we have already moved beyond assuming contemporary leftist morality is infallible and 100% correct. Which opens the door to start questioning cultural taboos much more severe than Morrissey disliking a religion for a supposedly "noble" reason. Either we can argue some cultures are better or worse than others or incompatible with each other, or we can't. There's no picking & choosing when it's okay.
@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 homosexuality isn't a western value lol, this is exactly my point; I wasn't brought up to 'accept gays', in fact I never even *thought* about it until I had friends who were gay and witnessed homophobia first-hand. People only adopt oppressive ideologies when they are conditioned to do so by their environment, or when they need someone to use as a scapegoat So basically you're saying the west should accept homophobia in other cultures because otherwise it's 'cultural imperialism', yet it's fine if a homophobic ideology becomes integrated into western society?
It's a nice, thoughtful, intelligent and incisive lyric, yes. I think that you're confusing the song with its author, though. I'm fairly sure that Stephen King was never a telekinetic prom queen, either
Yeah, not. He's always performed for the outrage. You for example, have the guts to say Palestinians are not semites, to toe the Israeli line since its inception as the state supported by the UK to solve "the Jewish question". You have guts, that's what you have. You ahve some balls to still support that, eradication of SEMITES which Arabic is one language of, along with Hebrew. You can make a perfromance that you jsut "love everybody" but fundamentally you side with "Semites belong to Israel, so semd European Jews there, and send Israeli Arabs to Egypt". Morrissey is parodying YOU. When YOU are doing just the same as "Americans" do when their "natives" are treated like animals in weird reservations mismanaged under Bureau of INDIAN Affairs. Israel is UK's horrid project like US Rhodesia and Liberia. They erase the identity of semites even THREE generations down because Palestinians would otherwise come out as ELIGIBLE for Israeli citizenship, due to them GETTING ALONG. YOUR state of England can never get along past skin color, but even less so WITHIN a skin color. Brother-war between semitic Arabs and Jews, or Brits and Germans.
Nice try... You MISSED the rest of his sentence, he said they were *ONLY* BECAUSE of their cruelty, torture, violence and killing of animals (who are voiceless), because of the nation’s track record of animal welfare, etc. NOTHING TO REPORT HERE, JUST PROPAGANDA/CLICK BAIT!
He was responding to gruesome videos of Chinese abusing dogs (some weird spiritual reason) before killing and eating them. That's all he's talking about, doesn't mean he's racist, just an animal lover.
Thank god somebody said it, so many people read the headlines and just believe it to be true without getting the full side of a story! This video is biased and downright incorrect about a lot of what they're saying
It’s racist to judge an entire ethnicity based on the actions of a single person or group. That’s why the creator of the video didn’t have to give any context to the quote because saying “[insert ethnicity] are subhuman” in any context is racist.
Morrissey has inspired so many people to become vegetarians and while I do not agree with some of his outspoken views , I think that without reading his biography or going into great detail to understand him that you’re only scratching the surface. I am not here to argue if he is a good or a bad person. To me he has said stupid things. And he has even kicked fans out of concerts . He has sued journalists for defaming him and other things I do not agree with . But I love his singing and his music means a lot to me . The fact that he is saving animals lives with songs like meat is Murder and being a strong candidate for animal rights is a great act of kindness to all living animals on this earth. I enjoy his solo music a lot and have seen him live . I do wish he would not antagonise people, however I believe that if people do not stand up for their beliefs then the world would be a place where no one is held accountable for their actions . Morrissey may not be perfect but he has definitely helped a lot of people to feel less alone and no I do not agree with racism of any kind . Anyway I am not here to argue . You’re entitled to your opinion
as a fan of morrissey, i hold my own biases, but i felt that this was a very shallow take on this topic. it’s as if most knowledge in this video stems from articles and reddit posts jumbled together. reading his autobiography might help one develop a deeper and more well-informed opinion of the man, even though the book isn’t the greatest. with morrissey, it isn’t exactly “he is a bad person” it’s “he is a bad person, but…” yes, he is a devious, truculent, and unreliable prick, but a lot of what he’s said has been taken out of context, and most were off-the-cuff comments another thing, johnny marr shouldnt be pictured so saintly. he was also involved in the 40-40-10-10 split, was he not? he’d be in a lot more hot water if he wasn’t so diplomatic, something morrissey doesn’t exactly care for. this also rings true for robert smith, as they were both quite petty during their rivalry personally, i dont think it’d be the same if morrissey wasn’t an opinionated bastard, and this is because the meaning of many songs would change. even though i dont agree with his views, i love him for his humor, voice, lyrics, and outspokenness. i agree with separating the art from the artist-which you had mentioned at the start of the video-so that sort of clashes with your ending statement. in my opinion, by only listening to the smiths, that also means missing out on moz’s solo work-which really does have some great songs
Good points but yea at the end of the day he's still a bad person as you said. At the end of the video I just said "you can listen to the smiths and ignore what he says next" in the sense that you can just listen to his music and ignore his statements, not saying that you shouldnt listen to his solo work.
Agreed, such a shame this video sort of contradicts the separate the art over artist thing. I don't know if he was aware of his own hypocrisy but I don't think it matters.. You're also spot on of why i like much of Morrissey's music and some of his traits 👍 I've also admired or look up to countless tragic & controversial figures in music history apart from Morrissey (Prince, John Lennon, Bowie, Marvin Gaye, Freddie Mercury, Kurt Cobain, Satie, Tschaikovsky, etc.) I am not justifying any bad behaviours since mistakes is natural & no one's really "perfect". I've also grown past that point of tying to choose a side instead of addressing the actual issue. I find it ironic that those nagging & overly righteous types are no better than the same people they are trying to criticize. I think antagonizing or mocking an individual just because they did or say something wrong or that their views does not align with your own doesn't do anything except intensify the situation by creating more hostility and conflict. It's also important to set boundaries on people who are too difficult to deal with. Learning to be honest, empathic & open communication is the key tool to form authentic interactions & healthy stable relationships imo.
How exactly is he a bad person though? He doesn't like Pakistanis? And, he's gay, they don't like him either. Considering what they'd do to him if they could, his distaste for them is perfectly reasonable and entirely justified. Don't forget, he's probably had more experience with them than you in that respect. I'd wager they were possibly less radical back then, or at least less brave in their homophobia. Today, it's amazing how the far left lie to themselves about that alliance and attempt to hide, wave away or simply just ignore the incredibly comical levels of homophobia inherent in Islam and coming from Muslims. His views on the Chinese? Meh, all of them was it, or just the meat eaters? Neither of us can read minds. Do you endeavour to see the best in people, or the worst? From my own experiences with veggies, he's likely referring to meat eaters, and unlikely the worst he's said about us to be honest. Let's not ignore that the Chinese were probably still eating dogs at that time (perhaps what Morrissey was angry about? I didn't hear the context, no idea of what he was referencing, such is the hit piece playbook), mostly due to being poor and a communist country having shitty supply lines, which is totally unusual under communism. They were still considered third world until fairly recently, so it weren't just your favourite pet on the menu. I don't blame him for his anger if such is the context, but then to blame the Chinese people themselves for eating what valid protein they could get under communism, that's a bit lacking in empathy. But don't eat fido, come on man, an Englishman can't tolerate that. Have you never said anything fucked up, such as referring to those you ideologically oppose as less than, perhaps insinuated something akin to the average tory as a streak of piss with an inbred desire to kick the poor? Shit, I bet you've had the gall to refer to that lanky posh twat, whas his name, comically posh accent and still had a nanny? Meh, you know to whom I refer, he's a streak of shit that gained some degree of sentience and donned a suit, and somehow got voted into parliament and, again, somehow no one has yet to see him kicked to the kerb. You know you've some incredible views on him, and words so scathing as to be considered hate speech were they levelled at an actual human being. With all the pointing of fingers these days, it's amazing we've any eyes left.
He paid great tribute to the famous James Baldwin (activist and anti-racist) in his biog, featured famous black soul singer velma Houston on his 2020 single bobby don't you think they know and his crowd at his sold out Hammersmith gig last year was more diverse than a lot of white alternative acts can claim to have.
I prefer the solo stuff as albums. The smiths don't have great albums because there's always a few shit songs but they have probably written superior songs. I don't skip songs on a Bona Drag (technically not an album) or vauxall and I.
@@reptiliathon To each their own, of course. I would twist what you say regarding The Smiths and Morrissey albums - and Morrissey has also released far more than The Smiths ever did
I'm not concerned about his opinions. He's entitled to them. I'm not a vegan either, but I'm not throwing a fit about their second album shoving veganism down our throats.
I don’t hate Morrissey or think he’s a terrible person. He’s clearly just very misunderstood, especially his sense of humour. I’m a huge Morrissey fan, personally, and I support him as a person. Seeing comments defending him is really restoring my faith in humanity.
I agree with most of what he says. And while I'm here I will also say that I agree with JK Rowling on stuff she says that pisses people off too. Facts don't care about feelings. 😐
@@iforgotwhattocallmyself5990 jk rowling is factually wrong :D and facts do care about feelings anyway ? feelings are a part of material reality and human beings dont exist as emotionless husks (.. usually anyway! jk does her best from the face of it )
@8:02 - "There's a million more examples of Morrissey being a hateful & horrible person." There's also a million more examples of you Red-Herring Fallacy & Straw-manning his arguments. Do or don't like him - whatever - but don't spend an 8-minute rant Strawmanning him.
Only thing I don’t understand is why people only seem to care for moz but ignore when other musicians do same stuff (I’m not saying he’s any better btw it’s just odd that people only seem to hate on him and ignore others)
That's completely fair, I think a lot of artists get away with horrible stuff just because they're famous and they have influence. Take for example Iggy Pop.
Yep, recently heard Mark E Smith spouting crap about immigrants in an interview. And then there’s Eric Clapton, who actually inspired the whole Rock against Racism movement in the 80s because of his cosying up to Enoch Powell.
@@maryburke5423 oh, Clapton for me is none after this. same with Alice Cooper. and whatever what is her Sing It Back. people notice these things eventually
2:34 "Unknown Pleasures" did not completely define the music of 80s Britain, that is prepostorous thing to say. Unknown Pleasures and Joy Division in general have sort of a renaissance among mainly North American youthi in the 21st century, but they were not that influential in the 1980s. "Blue Monday" by New Order was far more influetial on the music of 80s Britain than anything by Joy Division. Young people (Millennials and Gen Z) are reinterpreting history to try and view it in a way they feel comfortable with. But the 1980s isn't a decade that most of you would have liked to have lived in. Morrissey was no more of a dick in the 1980s than most older people back then. People in 1980s Britain (especially in Northern England) were not that sensitive to insults or slagging people off (especially people in other bands, and other artists). It was part of the culture. British bands and artists dissed each other all the time in the music papers, slagging other people off was part of the air that people breathed. Music journalists did it all the time. Morrissey gave back as good as he got.
The biggest take away here should be: It is important to separate the artist from the art. You don't have to like everything about the person, just because you like their work.
You can't do it all the time. The fact that people put art before the person, in spite of some people being horrible, indicates how fucked up our world is
Exactly. This was such a shallow dive into Morrissey's views and opinions. If this guy thinks that it is unarguably a good thing that the English should become more and more of a minority in their country as is inevitable given the figures and the longstanding domestic policies which drive the figures ever upwards, then that is an opinion which he has every right to hold, and Morrissey believes that it is a bad thing. Many of us agree with Morrissey. We are not hateful. Human beings throughout the millennia all over the world would have agreed with Morrissey, yet this guy won't give it a second's thought. I wonder why.
@@scunner6828People have been saying this exact thing since Morrissey was young. There is an integral Englishness that is also defined by the people who come to England, look at how English culture has been shifted by people from the West Indies, people from South East Asia, hell even Ireland. I'm not going to put a value judgement though. If you prefer how England used to be, that's your prerogative but I would say that it is influenced by an idealism for a time that never truly existed. The reason people dislike Morrissey's comments on immigration and the population composition is that he views these people as inferior and diluting.
@@de132 For a start, forced multiculturalism is only being done to White countries. And immigrants only come because those White countries are better than theirs. By default their presence cannot be an improvement or they would have improved their own country.
Since I am an adult I have the increasingly rare ability to separate the man and the artist Morrisey. The smiths are absolutely brilliant and while his solo is nowhere close to as good, he has made some very good solo songs as well, the most recent that comes to mind is :"Bobby, Don't You Think They Know?" Brilliant track with a new sound I had not heard from Morrisey before
Everyone can have their opinions. I think many people hopped on the “let’s hate him together” bus. He speaks his mind and truth that most people don’t want to hear.
@@JLG629 To be be fair, any member of The Smiths could punch a baby in the face and still be okay with me based solely on their music.Except maybe Craig Gannon but I'd still co-sign a loan for him.I've been a vegetarian since the Smiths broke up when I was 11 years old it was magical thinking trying to get them back together so that I would be able to see them perform together one day I'm still a vegetarian but obviously that ship has sailed and I completely appreciate him not being politically correct in the defense of animals. He hasn't wavered.
@@JLG629 I take that back...Craig Gannon COULD punch a baby in the face and I'd be fine with it if you factor in his Aztec Camera stuff. Can't be easy being the "Fifth Smith"
I actually love Morrissey and he's been my hero for as long as I can remember. My dad's been a massive Smiths fan since they were active, so naturally they and Morrissey played around the house my whole upbringing, so I'll admit some bias. But it's asking an extraordinary amount to actively dislike someone and boycott their work over compiled comments over years of media scrutiny. Some of my best friends in the real world have political and social beliefs that stand absolutely against how I feel. I love them nonetheless for their qualities and good. I'm also willing to understand that intelligent people say ridiculous things when passions are high. I'd tend to imagine the subspecies comment for instance wasn't targeted at the entire Chinese population when the topic of discussion was wet markets. It's the type of thing where I'm sure despite foolishly hasty wording that PewDiePie doesn't hate black people. The enigmatic frontman of The Smiths made me who I am today. The solo singer I saw in Birmingham one rainy October night made my year. I don't mind if he votes a different party to mine.
You can't take that article by Darya Rustamova seriously. Starting with a list of Morrissey songs she misquotes, and obviously has never listened to - none of them have any racist sentiments, “This is Not Your Country” is about the troubles in N.I. ffs. She also has no idea about the 1992 Finsbury Park gig in which Morrissey supported Madness. The area was in no way overrun with race based violence - where did she get that nonsense from? Morrissey was actually bottled off when he came on stage in the Union Flag - a misguided attempt at patriotism in a county that automatically sees this flag and the St. George cross as symbols of racism . Darya Rustamova is purposely twisting history to fit into her own biased view.
Morrissey is the antidote to all the simpering whining cancel culture bores that dominate culture today. He's not afraid to speak his mind and say what goes against the accepted narrative and doesn't give a damn what you think. He also happens to be a great songwriter and singer and performer who has sustained an interesting career with a devoted fan base since he left The Smiths. Yes, I'm a fan.
The fact that Morrissey gets to go on late night shows and perform his mediocre solo tracks to a gawking audience is an example on why cancel culture isn't real, and the real "bores" are the perpetual victims in paranoia about being Fahrenheit 451'd when they have essentially nothing of substance to say to the world. He speaks to these people and the nostalgia crowd.
@@de132 Mediocre solo tracks? Are you just another Smiths fan who just thinks "oh he was nothing without Johnny Marr" even though he's had a successful worldwide solo career with some great albums and songs since The Smiths broke up. And if cancel culture isn't real, why are people getting sacked, vilified and shut down left right and centre for not saying the "right" thing or having the wrong political views?
I think most people assume that if you like a band’s songs, you have to like everything about the band and what they say. Why is that? Perhaps it’s because the songs are often so personal that the listeners feel they must have so much in common with them, as if they are soulmates. That’s a bit ridiculous. I’m not sure if I’d get along with any of my favourite singers just because I like their songs.
then you're enjoying music superficially and that's OK. It's not ridiculous at all to expect the band to exemplify your beliefs, that's what people into alternative music did until 1991.
His political views are misguided and misaligned. He's a racist who can't articulate the exact root causes of social and political issues, while also being a deeply caring person regarding animal rights and the environment.
I don't think you know the difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration. Not wanting open borders doesn't make you far right. There are millions of labour voters who voted for Brexit.
You are correct but I think he used Morrissey’s border politics as a example, but there are other right wing ideas and ideologies that he very much pushes and believes in.
@ayanaanaya1210 I think he should highlight those sentiments instead of saying that if you want control of your borders, then you next to a rightwing nutcase.
It's not just illegal immigration, ALL mass immigration runs counter to the interests of working class people. Which is why the Poles - who benefited so much from free movement of labour - are now up in arms about mass immigration to Poland
It isn't arrogance. There's a lot of self-deprecation in what he says. It's more that Morrissey, like most poets, has a pathological fear of being boring. It's the Oscar Wilde thing. He'd rather be talked about than not talked about.
@@robertbruce4618 An atheist on the internet letting everyone know what they think, so edgy and original. I'm using the term "Angel" to mean what 99% of the human race believe the word to mean, not an academic literal description of Angels from the Old Testament that were based on Babylonian Gods. Just clarifying that, as you seem to think I am using the term "Angel" as it was understood 3000 years ago, and not in its present day meaning that literally everyone else in society understands it to be, except pedants like yourself.
@@jmack8767 He is better than everyone else. He's never worked a day in his life and has left a legacy simply by writing some poetry and having a nice haircut, Like to see you do that peasant.
Dont mean to be rude, but this is not very good man. It sort of accomplishes the goal of the title, in a many citations way, but theres no point. I dont think moz or anyone else in the world really cares if people they revile dont like them back. If he had been afraid to make a statement the smiths wouldve likely been just a local group. Turns out not giving a shit and saying what needs to be said will take you far- theres millions in agreement that dont have the leverage to use their right to speech. Thank you morrissey for not giving anyone a pass for being any given color or political stripe. Everyone else has, and its become pretty evident a culture of inability to do or be wrong has not worked out for anyone. Those who think anyone else is above criticism long for such protectionism for themselves, if anyone was wondering why a certain political sphere has such a p3do problem. The smiths are not for most of the simply depressed and angry people that like the tunes. Its for people who can tell how genuinely backwards and self defeating modern western culture has become. Its about societal rot coming from a million directions, tip top and very bottom, and it would be disingenuous at the very least to have just ignored certain facets. If you hate morrissey, theres probably a lot about yourself you dont like, which is normal; its what you do with it. If the answer is not own up and to seek protection, youll get it, probably with detriment to those around you. Its all very self serving and were screwed if the cynics give up. Im not a vegan, i accept his criticism and his right to it. The industry i rely on for food is amoral. There was a time when i didnt know who he was, when i hated him for it. I was trying to avoid admission of complicity. My brain painted him as a hateful douche to protect itself. Morrisseys philosophy helped me to get over imperfection. Most people could do a bit less enforced unassailability of culture and practice, itll make you a smarter, more self reflective person, even though the average idiot will see it as self absorbtion. Its liberating, really, to get proof that theyll come down on you for the crime of coming down on them, and the only difference is the opinion. None you are without sin, so stop pretending and sack up to such issues as "maybe a huge influx of the worlds unskilled labor wasnt a huge favor to england" just as it was wrong for england to just take india. Theyre not mutually exclusive, and you dont have to tie your head in knots to avoid acknowledging flaws in humanity that are universal. If everyone is equal, then everyone is equally a tool of some idea or power. no more excuses for humans is the jist of the philosophy.
@robcoward6326 good for you pal, someone paying you to be dense, or is it charity? Please delineate exactly what i didnt say? Its just that you dont like it, that doesnt make anything a nothingburger dude. This is analysis of creativity, its all very ephemeral and subjective. I threw my 2 cents in on a bit of a hitpiece that reeked of action-reaction knee-jerkism, but was very much representative of "why people hate morrissey" or moreover "why i dislike morrisseys attitude and politics". People hate morrissey because he doesnt care that people hate him, and that doesnt fit in with the modern moral democracy of whos allowed to talk. Im glad people weigh in on this music, but it just wont change that some people have a static worldview and probably should just stick to things they understand. Im not out here trying to teach a monkey to read, man. If youve got personal beef about the falling reputation of immigration in the uk, thats a you problem. If you hate vegans, you problem. If it really ties you in knots that a singer you dont know is a bit of a stuck up queen, you problem. I dont appreciate your derision of cogent points because you have a thorn in your jock. Got something to say in argument, say it, be a fcking adult. If the problem is "meat is murder" then make that point for consideration. I still eat meat, my point was every single one of you is an insufferable asshole even if you dont know it, everyone is, and people get butthurt when you point out that our species maps across history like bone cancer on the earth. They get mad that human altruism lives alongside lust and greed that take the wheel more often than not. That sentiment grates my ears much less than straight lying, but im well aware that the general populace would rather be gassed than second guess themselves. To tell inconvenient truths is apostasy.
If Morrissey was left-leaning then stupid youtube vids, such as this, would be so far up his arse it's unbelievable. Im glad he's 'right wing', it's a welcome relief.
I like Morrissey. I also like eating meat and I love Chinese people. I have no trouble reconciling those facts because I take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
On no British man patriotic and is proud of his career and nationality he's literally the funny mustache man. Honestly you people are a joke you get so uppity about everything there's literally nothing wrong with him.
@@PartnershipsForYou I don't care for socialism but his political affiliation aside there is nothing wrong with being patriotic and loving you tribe. I'll defend any man's right to believe that.
Everyone does NOT hate Morrissey. I will always be loyal to him. And you are sounding a bit affected yourself, so no room to talk. Robert Smith criticized Morrissey for flowers in his back pocket. A couple of months later Robert Smith was place kicking flower pots. A bit of hypocrisy from Ribert.
People hate Morrissey because he is honest. That’s it. Those who wish to only hear echoes of their own beliefs will continue to feel discomfort when listening to The Smiths, no matter what, because the lyrics are inseparable from their author. So, next time you listen to 'Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now,' be genuine enough to remember that indirectly, you are paying Morrissey’s royalties.
Huge fan of The Smiths here. I love Moz, his songwriting, his poetry and his spirit. The man is a hero because he's not afraid to speak out and point out that the emperor has no clothes. No-marks and cowards keep trying to cancel him, but you will never succeed. He has huge support. Viva Morrissey ♥
I am 59 years old and loved The Smiths and Morrissey from day one. People need to stop calling the "feelings police" whenever he says something they don't like. Just because you're offended does not mean Morrissey is wrong. And, if he is, who cares. It's not like he's writing legislation and/or making you succumb to his beliefs and points of view.
You can not separate an artist from their art especially when it comes to music. Art is fundamentally a reflection of the artist's beliefs, emotions and ideas and is what makes art enjoyable. The art created is a piece of that artist's soul who made it...Also as someone else said in the comments "your takes are half assed" is pretty valid. Morrissey is awesome and is not wrong in wanting to defend his culture.
Nah, you're just a sinophobe who falls for the propaganda the 'west' tells you. You go on google and youtube expecting neutrality as if they weren't owned by the US. And your propagandised brain can't see beyond what your arbiters tell you you should believe. Go to China, see for yourself. And if you think animal cruelty is bad there, then you don't wanna learn how the French make Fois gras
The notion of a bad or good person is so darn flawed and probably a result of most folks liking to think in simple terms. We all have good and bad within us, anyone stating otherwise is a foolish nobhead. Most weak folks follow the pack, being too darn worried about what others think about them.
yea the notion of good and bad is often used for pretty nearsighted and flawed reasons and someone who thinks others are bad because of where they come from (for example) are certainly subscribing to millions and millions of instances of ----- Just that.
I agree you could separate the two at least up to a point, though I don't find him to be all that bad, he seems a bit egocentric and emotionally immature maybe, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s autistic. He seems very annoyed that people in general aren’t bothered about the things in life that he’s concerned with, people do have a varying view of poetry, and perhaps he assumes what other people says and does always stands in a direct correlation to how talented they are and ignoring the fact it could be deliberate choice. Seemingly he doesn’t take other peoples tastes or opinions into account which happens to be a typical personal trait of what is often called a true artist. I also believe these (strong) feelings has been a huge vehicle in his songwriting.
Not trying to defend him, but aren’t lyrics like “England for the english” parodies of the National Front and smilar right wing stands? I mean, it’s in the tittle of the song and all.
‘Morrissey is a horrible person, I don’t think it’s up for debate’. why because you know and your word is final? What a dangerous and idiotic thing to say but there you go.
@@Krysiss Your word is worthless. You have no discernment - you read an article and you take it as gospel without cross-examination. Let me guess - you had every booster
Also he's not wrong about what he said about "racist". It IS a meaningless word now. What's wrong with wearing a For Britain badge? He's british? Is not supposed to love and support his country?
he is obviously racist :D it isnt meaningless lol, even believing in like, some kind of scientific conception of a white race is racist whether its consciously racist or not, race is socially constructed (which happened primarily due to colonialism, though the earliest origins are maybe in regards to the crusades), and it was constructed to prioritise white people over anyone else. u can act like oh hes just proud of his race and that its completely devoid of any historical or social context but thats uhhh, dumb lol ♥ nevermind that sort of softer rhetoric is always used when being an open racial supremacist is frowned upon yknow, post ww2 and the obvious consequences of that kind of racial thinking, though there are ofc worse examples of genocidal racism in the founding of the us and the british occupation of south east asia, australia, africa, etc
Because we both know that's not what the "For Britain" party stands for. It's like when Americans use "America First" as a dog whistle for "White Americans only". Racism is not a meaningless word. In fact it has a very clear and concise definition.
Robert smith saved my soul...i was sexually abused from 7yrs to 11yrs. Had a major depression and by graduation of HS i was strung out on heroin and more. Morrissey helped me as well..of they hate esch other IDFK....Morrissey obviously wrong.
Well as long as we're on the topic, I remember everyone listening to the cure "killing an Arab" and wondered how you could play that on the radio. Even college radio should have taken some type of stand. Irresponsible lyrics with no back story. Hong Kong garden feels bad but the context of the song validates the lyrics. By the way, I love all of it. Just playing snowflake advocate
I was around in the 80's and to say Joy Division defined 80's Britain...is nonsense. They were rarely mentioned in the music press or by the young alternative kids I knew. Love W/T/U/A was sometimes played at indie disco's but that was about it. People were far more into New Order. There is absolutely no influence of J/D in The Smiths...none.
Joy Division was a 1970s band, but they helped define 1980s music by creating a brand new sound that morphed into the new wave movement. Of course people were more into New Order in the 80s, New Order was an actual band in the charts at the time. It's like saying "Wham wasnt as influential as George Michael the solo singer in the 1990s." I was around in the 80s too, btw. And yes, Joy division was old hat by then, but that doesn't mean they weren't influential. Just like the sex pistols influenced pop punk of later decades.
I'm a big Smiths fan and I think Morrissey is right up there with the best song writers ever. I think the reason people don't like him is because he's a walking critic. Before he was famous he used to go to gigs and where everyone else would be dancing and enjoying the show, he'd be at the back with a pencil and paper writing scathing reviews about each act. He has a massive ego and a controversial opinion about everything. Everyone has that mate who just has to be a contrarian about everything because they think liking something everyone hates or hating something everyone loves makes them an expert on the topic. I think he's that guy.
