Why Does Gaijin Hate Germany? - War Thunder 

Kurt Knispel is a great example of someone that should be added into the pages of history. He was the greatest tank ace of WW2 and opposed nazi ideology.

The only video we won’t see is: “why does gaijin hate ussr”

The worst part in all honesty is that you don't know if someone speaking for germany and making these points is meant seriously or in a mocking fashion since Gaijin truly hammered in the "Germany suffers" meme with the paril fools event, so now you can't go on to complain about this stuff without someone mocking you for it.

Light vehicles are nice and everything, but with gaijin shrinking maps and eliminating certain spots and paths, thus turning matches into 1 to 3 lane head ons, it's getting difficult to use different play styles. And it's not just in regards to Germany. It's everyone

I've noticed alot since the latest br change is Germany seems to be getting a hell of a lot of uptiers past 5.7 area

they should add the Leo 2 A7 also the PzH 2000 and Boxer (the boxer would be a cool toher kind vehicle as Armored Car) playing 11.0 with germany feels sad you always get outcountert. like planes on this br just bomb them away. ALso i feel like after the rocket update the Roland is shitty against AIr so AA's are bad at this level

i like how gajin is adding a funny ammount of soviet experimental tanks that only 1 was ever or even never actually built (for example the is6 was never built it was the object 252 which was the sort of base idea of what the is 6 was meant to look like but it was NOT the is 6 ( the photos of is 6 are of the mockup)

Also another thing where Germany suffers is the Me262 lines, i know there were no other jets Germany have fought with their 262s but the other early jets are post war jets that have learned from the 262 and have improved engines which allows other jets to be faster than the 262 and outrun or outclimb them, even worse are those F-84s with air spawn that RUSH to the enemy airfield where the 262 when stock literally struggle to gain speed and altitude and destroy them while they're taking off that's how unbalanced it still is for the Me 262s at their BR

The BR increases of especially light vehicles of other trees tend to coincide with the Russchimps getting mad when they're not completely stomping. Biggest paypigs in the game, so of course Gaijin is going to act on only their complaints.

I came to this video expecting a mocking or meme approach but you actually made very valid points and I'm happy about that. While I don't always agree with your points and opinions, never change TEC. You often bring up stuff nobody else does

I gotta agree with the part how gaijin instantly nerfes Germany as soon as people complain when Germany gets something new like how they nerfed the reload rate of the Leo2a6 but when RUSSIA gets the most op shit and with the addition of the pantsier which completely broke top tier they almost do nothing about it or barely nerf russia since more people buy russian stuff than they buy other nations stuff, now the russians have insane cas advantage in top tier i tried to complain about it but people have been talking me down as if Germany was a insane superpower in the game. Not to mention how they even justify uptiering the PUMA which doesn't have ATGMs but are completely fine with the BMP2M annihilating everything in its Br

Also leopard 2a6 is suposed to have 3rd gen thermals but still have 1st gen like leopard 2a4 :/ they could also add canadian version of leo 2a6 wich had more armour. or they could add with aps or lws

I wonder why they haven't added the PUMA with the Stinger Missiles yet. It would have been a perfect fit with the BMP-2M and the M3A3 Bradley.

now imagine if things were balanced by era: a whole team of tigers vs a whole team of m22 (remember, it was introduced in 1942), or a whole team of tiger2 vs a whole team of shermans. If you want to make it balanced by era, mak it balanced by numbers of vechicleees spawned, for example 1 tiger2 (487 made total) for every 13 sheermans (6748 made in early variants), not so cool anymore right? spookston has a very cool series that shows that historical acuity is a bad thing in video games

I do agree that tanks such as the Tiger 2s are being a bit overshadowed by Cold War tanks, but a lot of maps do not allow for good flanking routes, making a lot of engagements be head to head. If we were to have historical matchmaking, AND disregard any sort of supply, mechanical, or amount of unit issues, then you can easily have a team full of Tigers, Panthers, armored tank destroyers, etc; facing the same number of players in lesser tanks like T-34s, and all the Shermans. Why should a player have such a material advantage over any other single player just for the sake of "historical accuracy". I would love to be in my Tiger 2s mowing down advancing shermans from miles away, but what happens when I want to play those shermans? Imagine the same amount of players in each team, but one team is FULL of vehicles that are objectively far superior than its contemporaries. There would be no point in queueing up for a game in your average Allied tank, if all you're going to face is the best of the best German armor, just because the German players wished for some more historical matchmaking. Most people would see no point in playing anything but the most powerful vehicles, and flock to the one nation that has them. That is why Germany attracts the most new players, they all want to get their hands on the big shiny indestructible Panthers and Tigers, and then they are hit with the reality that an online multiplayer game needs to be somehow balanced for all parties to have some resemblance of fun. Unless of course you would like the repair costs of these tanks to skyrocket to compensate a bit for their advantages. I'm not saying that Germany is fine as it is, or the whole game for that matter, I'm just saying that historical matchmaking can not be implemented into War Thunder whilst maintaining a fair ground to play on for all players with how the game currently works.

As a German main I've had to stop playing them. Geraman teams arent great, we have some really odd BR gaps and with so many thanks constantly moving around or being nerfed ive got fed up of trying to make line ups. Don't get me wrong, other natios also suffer in other areas I.e Britian (not having fun witg them) but as one of the big original nations...they are getting shafted in the high BRs :/ game just needs a complete overhaul, decompression and rebalance

If historical matchmaking existed early Pz4s would fight early Kv1 and T34s, and latest Pz4s would fight IS2, T34-85, T44. Leopard 1/A1A1 would fight T62, T64A. M60a1 would be fighting T64A. It would go worse than that if soviet prototypes were added. Cant imagine M60A1 fighting pre-serie T80 version from 1971, M60a1 wouldnt be out yet, Leopard A1A1 would take 4 more years to come out. That would be the real issue, not the vehicles fighting something thats not historical. Just imagine T10M with stab and good cannon fighting M48.

How convenient i found this video 1 day after i finally finished my 3 day grind for the Jagdtiger, i got uptiered from 6.7 to 7.3-7.7 every single match i played during this, my tanks were very slow and rough compared to my team and enemy vehicles, and with all that high pen projectiles and HEATFS shit, it was very fucking painful and i didn't really enjoyed the grind at all. All that armor my vehicles had just to get one shot by a goofy ah Centurion AVRE(i just noticed that thing is 8.0 wth), IS-4M,T-32E1,T95s OR EVEN T-54, lots of tanks i haven't faced in my entire life and i'm not supposed to do yet anyways, since i'm barely coming back to war thunder after almost a year and i've been stuck in 5.7 since that because of how stressful and shit the grind and economy was.(the grind is still shit in my opinion tho). (ik this is a general problem with every nation at some point, but i wanted to give my point of view) Fucking snail >:/ (Thanks for reading :D)

A nice german top tier line up would be Puma S1, Wiesel Mells (Spike LR2), Leopard 2A6M, Leopard 2A7V, Leopard 2A7A1 (maybe A7V and A7A1 could be merged into one Leopard 2A7), Leopard 2A8, Schwerer Waffenträger Boxer (Germanised Boxer (German made armored vehicle) CRV used in Australian armed forces. Manned turret Lance 2 with the 30mm canon also used on the puma, coaxial MG5, 2 Spike LR2 missiles and maybe in the future ugvs, uavs and/ or loitering munition), Skyranger 30 (Flak tank with 30mm cannon, sadm and/or stinger missile) and Iris-T Sls on boxer chassis. Aditionally the Eurofighter at least T1 and Tornado IDS and maybe later Eurofighter T4 with Brimstone and F-35A with gps and laser guided bombs. I dont see long range weapons like Taurus, Jassm er or meteor coming to game. It just dont fit into the small maps of war thunder

Imagine a Gaijin War Thunder ad popping up before you watch a video explaining why Gaijin hates everyone execpt for Mother Russia

Gajin has so many possible Leopards to add. Leopard 2A6EX, Leopard 2E, Leopard 2 HEL, Leopard 2A6M, Leopard 2-140, Leopard KVT II, Leopard A6MA3, Leopard A6A3, Leeopard 2A7A1, Leopard 2A7+, Leopard 2A7HU, Leopard: TVM min, TVM max oraz TVM 2. And few more.

I agree with everything you said and its something me and my best friend have dealt with since it began, we both got the maus, tiger 105 the panther 2 and the coelian at the last minutes before they were removed and when it happened the techtree loocked sooo empty, you had a hole tier with just like 5 vehicles that had too much of a gap in the Br. I really hate that gaijin does this and also the volumetrik change mostly benefits russian vehicles and i think that it was better before, whe rounds still damaged the turret ring instead of just vanisching. Still im not sure if complete historical balancing is the right thing but consider maybe the loadout of the vehicle for instance russian vehicles that are in high tier that still use conventional rounds should not have to compete against reactive- or new age spacedarmor in my opinion. Is-3,Is-6, Is-7 all use these and they could find a new niche facing WWll german heavy tanks like the Maus and all kinds of Tiger II and panthers. I play almost only German vehicles and nothing is more frustraiting than facing new age stabilizers with apfsds.

If I had known the things I know now, after two years of playing War Thunder back then, I would have never started playing.

USSR Main here who switched to Germany when my friend started playing, I've never gotten uptiered more in my life. Currently at 8.0 and still constantly uptiered. Its like playing Hardmode.

I remember the Panther II and the Almighty King Tiger 10.5 used to love the long shots, was very satisfying, unfortunately my account was hacked so I can’t play them anymore

"Regarding actions committed by personnel of the Wehrmacht or its retinue against enemy civilians, there is no obligation to prosecute, even where the deed is at the same time a military crime or misdemeanor.”

Tbf, in Ukraine we saw a 1958 T-54 on the same front of a 2007 Leo2A6. Now a 1954 T-10A was spotted, so having 1940's german tanks aganist 1950's russian tanks doesn't look like so strange.

You should go apologize to the trees for the oxygen you wasted in those 12 minutes.

more appropriately "why does gaijin keep fumbling the bag" EDIT: as much as i love what WT offers, if it A does not get a PvE mode, or B gayjoob stopbs fumbling the bag and getting a lesson form the secritary again. am gonna have to try to write up a competitor outline for it... like anyone will even bother to take that task up.

As a German main who hasn't really built up any line-ups with any other nation its hard to keep going

This video feels like an April Fools, I can agree with some little things but most of those complaints are just wrong in my eyes... As somebody that plays mostly Minor factions of the game (FR,JP,ITA) it just feels like all the misery of the world is currently to GER to bear in the game wich is not true by the slightest. This is my opinion on the subject maybe i'm wrong telling this, in the end everybody suffers in WT only the Snail is happy. But anyway's TL;DR here's why : "Many German tanks do not fight their own era" : Do you think anyone does ? This game as """""realistic""""" as they claim it to be you still have to think about gameplay first before realism otherwise it would not work. Yes I agree that the way of Gaijin of making BR's by statistic is wrong, yes, but if a Tiger H1 should face what there was in it's Era in WT it would be overpowered. "Tigers 1 having to face HEATFS is not fair" : It's not fair for anybody, every nation as some sort of Heat, FS or not and you still need to have the tools for other nations to defend themselves against Armor, you still need to know where to shoot and HEAT is unreliable in terms of post pen damage. "Germany just has the Leopard 2A6 and that's it." : There is so many more German MBT's that are as capable. even if germany don't have as much copy pasta MBT's than the other nations, why does it matter ? Germany has a lot of versatile vehicles that can compete even in Top Tier. And Leo 2A7 and 2A8 are way too modern with insane amount of armor compared to what there is in-game to be added, but Leo2A6 derivatives will come at some point, all minors nations know patience way too well, Germany will have to do for now, what else can we do anyway huh ? "What we keep getting as German players is light vehicles that don't do too much." : At least it's better than nothing, like all minor nations are waiting for something to chew on, Germany got recently a new vehicle with the last update + a battlepass one. Even if they are not of the taste of everybody, at least it's something. Germany is one of the nation with the most vehicle counts in the game everything together (Ground,Air,Naval), even if some of those vehicles are there since decades now going from bottom to top is probably one of the longest Tech Tree in the game. "The PUMA is still not getting their spike missiles wich is horrific." : The PUMA is a very good light tank for many many points wich is why it got up in BR, and also it is a vehicle made in 2010, an example here some vehicles from the 1980 are facing this thing, not really fair for them ? Adding spikes missiles will be a plus but barely, Fire and forgets are very unreliable currently and rely on way too many random factors for them to work, yes it would be a neafty + for the PUMA but calling it horrific that it's not there, is to overeact it. "The Leo 2PL and Leo2A5 didn't go lower in BR because people kept complaining." : And because they are very good vehicles, they should not go lower, imagine what would happen if they lowered a Leclerc ? And they are not even as good as a Leo2A5 in terms of overall. "They never gets the better version of stuff and instead just get worse ones" : Welcome to lend lease vehicles, first time ? If we would follow the """""realism""""" that the game tries to follow yeah, that's just it. I know a lot of lend lease vehicles had the ordnance, missiles, and etc of their origin country counterparts but, examples like the F-8E(FN) of France exist as well. "The Hunter of the Swiss, has just been given to Germany for torment them because of it's status as a Swiss vehicle." : That thing is one of the best squadron planes you can have, complaining about it getting added is nonsensical and remember that in the meantime, France, Italy, Japan for naming a few still didn't got a single Squadron vehicle/new squadron vehicle, complaining about a nice free addition is... why... About removed vehicles and "fake" vehicles : Those 3 german vehicles we're intended to be placeholders, yes it's kinda stupid to not add back their real counterparts without the thing that made them "not realistic" (NVD of the Panther II for example) but in the other hands some vehicles that are just "paper" vehicles are added because of the same reasons, look at the F16AJ, it was added for Top Tier Japan to have something to chew on in wait for the next gen fighters, those additions are for gameplay more than realism, but always remember, if realism come at the cost of gameplay, it's bad. Gameplay should be always first in a videogame. And to be honest, Germany has already decent of lineups at the BR of where those thing we're so it's not such big of a deal. That's it, that was some words, that video again, feels like complaining being alone in the world, minor nations has it way worse and get the short end of the sticks when it comes to addition and balancing. At the end of the day remember that we all "suffer" in this game in a way or another, trying to define wich nations has it the worse is like screaming to a wall.

Why isn't there a Panther G in the game with an autoloading system? There was a working machine in ČKD (BMM) and 10 more in the works! The Russians stole all the prototypes from Prague in 1945. A Panther with a cadence of 4 shots in 7 seconds. 45 rounds per minute = theoretical, but it would have melted the barrel.

historical balancing wouldnt work since abrams would dunk on a lot of stuff due to how advanced it was for its time. Same goes for aircraft

Funny how the Tiger 2 has to fight cold war tanks. But the KV and T34 are moved down tier for historical reasons 😂😂😂

I just love playing with a German supergun tank that at point blank range can't kill anything.

What a load of bull. The CL-13 german sabre was the ultimate aircraft even after the mig19 and f100. For ground to find the closest performing tank against Germany you have to look 1 BR higher in every other nation. Closest tiger and panther equivalent is the Pershing at 6.3 with a worse shell, and is completely outclassed by the TIger 2!

Next vid gon be like "Why Does Gaijin Hate You? - War Thunder"

I love how you kept a straight face during that video. Props for that

how is it not fair to fight KV1 with tanks that have an average 150mm of pen on 3.7. The churchill mk.VII has 103 of pen at best on 4.7 and even i dont have a problem with KV1s. So i dont think that germany suffers to KV1s, it's the real skill issue. I had to learn the weak spots on tanks because of pen and if you can't learn them just play AB where it shows you the spots that you can pen and don't cry like a baby because your tank with over 100mm pen on 3.7 can't pen a KV1.

Bro, chronological ranking couldn't work. Tanks are not just big gun & mo' armour in the real world. But are bound by logistical, geographical & operational factors that in one v ones, would lead to them getting roflstomped, but I'm actual wars, leading to victory.

In my opinion the Peopard 1 is nearly impossible to play profitable. With its BR of 8.0 and no stabilizer it sucks. Everyone except u has a stabilizer. Even before it sometimes was painful to play, but it was still ok. I mean i still could fight with my tiger 2H now there is such a big br gap makling the tiger 2 useless and esspecially jumping from 5.7 Br (Panther) to 8 (Leopard) sucks. One tank with 8 Br and the rest is still max 6 Br.

Fighting cold war vehicles isn't unique to Germany. The many times I've been nailed in a T34-85 with HEATFS

No, they hate the UK top-tier tanks, which are butter. Last week, I hit a T80 7 times with a D53 and it kept going, one shot, I was dead.

Honestly, as a German player, I just want more Leopard 2s because they look cool. Only thing I don't get is how Gaijin seems adverse to buffing some of the hull armor, yet they added the STRV 122 series with better hull armor. Pretty sure there's German Leos with a comparable armor package to the 122s, but hey, I don't have any specific sources, just a feeling lol. The German tree in my experience is actually not that bad at all. Lots of the main-line tanks are capable of getting lethal first shots off and sometimes even taking a hit or two; even with the underscored hull armor on the Leo 2s. And I have no idea what TEC is talking about shitting on 3.3 Germany when the Pz 4H and J are possibly the *best* tanks at that BR (and some of the most fun in the entire tree lol). TL;DR, Germany is one of those trees that is actually very solid, but still has a lot more potential for development, tweaks, additions, etc.

Wahhh wahh i have to fight KV1 and T34 with a cannon that can penetrate them frontally 😢

They need to put the Marineflieger Tornado to 10.3 10.0, its barely supersonic, ony has dumb bombs and 2 Aim9Ls

in a panther D at br 5.3 I had to fight an IS 2 1944 about 2 which I can only pen in 2 spots and it can pen any the panther D anywhere because its a medium and i personally think that IS 2 should not be down tiered just because they are mediums.

This is genuinely the worst take ever. The Tiger 2 is fine where it is, it faces takes it would historically face. The T34, T29 and T30 were literally made as equivalents to the Tiger 2. If anything it's less realistic that the IS-3 isn't a lower BR. Germany is fine in it's current position

Aircraft is worst of all, the Me 262s acceleration is horrendous and it should go to super prop BR. We don't get the Eurofighter, only a Tornado with shitty missiles while USSR could get the MiG 35 and USA the F 15 next update. The Leopard 2A7 would be super nice but no, here is your Leo 2A6 and 2A5, USSR has like double the amount of MBTs in the game. Let's give them the T 14 Armata maybe? Wouldn't that be fair against a 2A6? I don't get why germany hasn't any historical references either like the USSR did also do pretty bad things to people just like germany. How about some german generals or like Knispel or Carius? They are legends and should be remembered in this game

I started playing as germany. Got all the ways up to 9.7 and basically stopped. Then went US and 1 abrams left and the last AA. Now I can't even play that because of the latest us premium tank and the f4s. It's all one death premiums. Now I'm playing Russia 10.0 and yes I the TURMS but I also have the BMP 2M and BMP3 and almost the T72A. Premiums tend to ruin a nation for a bit. But IMO germany suffers and so does US at TT anything.

Every single time i play i have a bad taste, its so frustrating because i only play Germany barely got to rank 9 just got dm23 and i see Russian light vehicles deflecting a fast and hot round like that shit that makes you feel like quitting 😢

they only care about "historical accuracy" when said vehicle isnt russian

I am just waiting for the "Czechoslovak" nation, I mean lets be honest, since Gaijin is going to be adding and already has fake tanks, it won't hurt so much to add prototypes and blueprints now won't it?

my first thought was "isnt it obvious?"LOL

Another really unfair thing: T-80BVM. for the longest time Germany and the U.S only had 11.0 MBTs with Gen 1 Thermals and average abilities. Then Gaijin add that monster to the Russian tech tree and 2 years later it’s still eviscerating all of its competition. T-80BVM entered service in 2019, over 10 years newer than the most modern NATO tank in game at the time, it’s still 20 years newer than the top Abrams and Leopards in the U.S and German tech trees TO THIS DAY. (Don’t even get me started on the 2S38 and BMP-2M)

Me262 feels like it's just in the game so the other nations can make kills.... it's sad.

if we go to the era specific matchmaking, i would love to face only interwar vehicles with my char 2C, and only pz 2s with my B1 bis

i know this shit is 1 year late but they change the br of tiger II (P) 6.3 to 6.7 the tiger II (P) like tiger P has the biggest weakness on it like the turret cheeck which is 100M of armor cheecks in tiger P like i was suffering on tiger p because the armor of the turret is so weak that even jumbo pen me

It’s so stupid that snail did this. I use the Pz 4H with my 3.7 lineup and all I was fighting is t34 1942s and Su 152 and KVs. The stug 3 g is also forced to use the 75 from the stug 3 f to deal with the su152 and more stuff. It’s so (almost) unplayable since it’s so crappy at that br.

How would you enjoy having your leopard 1 at the same br as t64?

They removing the maus from the line is just dumb

I feel like Germany and Britain are two of the most mistreated countries in this game

Been having issues with 9.3 as well, how is my 285mm pen on kpz70 supposed to fight m1 kvt's all the time and even turms, constantly getting uptierd is normal in cold war germany

It's not fair at all. Ww2 should be separated from cold war vehicles

What about adding skills-based matchmaking...? Especially in Air RB it gets very frustrating playing against very good players who end up killing you after you make the slightest mistake. Also, more time playing the game means better crew skills and all vehicle modifications unlocked. Uh right, this would make WT not frustrating and people (especially new players) would actually have fun learning the game and therefore would not spend money. Also, why in ground RB can't we choose the map we want to play in? Every other game allows player to play maps they enjoy. In WT this is simply impossible as you get the crew locked ffs. I came to realize that this mechanism is very much like TikTok, YT shorts, and IG reels, which feeds users sometimes with content they like and sometimes with content they don't just to make them keep scrolling. WT similarly gives players shitty maps with very unbalanced games, so that you keep playing and think that you need to spend money to become better, grind faster, and have fun... This is the reality, Gaijin capitalizes on the purposely-designed game's faults to generate players addiction and make money. Sad but true.

2:05 If i have to choose between the tiger 2 or the American T34 ill take the tiger any time it works amazingly in uptiers as well i think you are right at some points but definatly not this one

Comparing the 2a6 to leclercs and implying France is faring better is stupid imo. The leclers are closer to the 2A5 than the 2A6, and the 3 of them are basically copy pastes, while the 2A6 at least brings better penetration

As a German ground main who pretty much only plays top tier I just want one or two Leo 2s they would basically be copy/paste vehicles with some changes and Gaijin has done copy/paste for all of the other nations. Also a limit to how many CAS aircraft can be active per team to lessen the overpoweredness of Russian and American CAS. Also, rewards for killing aircraft as an SPAA should be tripled cause SPAA grinding is horrid for all nations.

People dont seem to understand, germany biggest issue isnt being bad, but rather being too powerful to the point its vehicle are overtiered or are stuck to fight too many things that it shouldnt, and this goes worse on Planes since there you faced other that are WAY more superior than you, up to the point of being stuck with using bombers which, again, are really powerful. PUMA being 'too good' now being near useless since you cant really pen anything. KPZ with the worst Dart round on a 105+ cannon, oh and us getting vehicles AFTER they been given to someone else, arleady dry from its usage, and balanced. This is SPECIAL with DDR vehicles (T72M1, MiGs in general, and eventually the BMP-2 I call it.)

I'm just convinced at this point that Gaijin neglects and fucks around with the German tech tree is because of their hatred towards the Germans, say all you want about Gaijin being true to historical accuracy and the company being apolitical, they are doing this because they can, and it's petty

It's even worse. I could accept the fact that vehicles are ranked on statistics as long as they're behave and fight like they should. But here we are, being almost unable to penetrate the front armor of a Sherman with a Tiger (doesn't matter which one). The amount of times i got a first-shot-non-pen while shooting with a Tiger just to see the Sherman turning his tower and one-shots me. At first i though i'm not aiming for the correct points, but to see a front armor who has only 2/3 of the penetration capacity of my shell is just ridiculous. We're at the point where we making fun of the Krauss-Maffei candycannon or the Krupp paperworks. And by the way: Playing in a team with another dude with the german tech-tree is, well how do i say it, difficult. You're lucky if you're in the same tier, but usually you are uptiered where you fight late 70 equipment from any other nation. We've been in 6.0 battles (our equipment) where we face 7.3 ranked tanks. I don't know the internals of the matchmaking engine, but this can't be right.

swedish player laughing at german main now that we even receive the 2a6 itself to put in our lineup.

Lets just add how German top AA got nerfed into oblivion and has no right to sit on 11.7 BECAUSE RUSSIAN AA WAS TO STRONG so they just nerfed all missles across the board making FlakRakRad borderline useless in many cases

As a US tech tree player its real bad when I have to face off against Leopard Is and T 55 against my 76mm Jumbo Sherman

I’m gonna be honest, making tiger 2 fight Sherman’s because “historical accuracy” is stupid, tanks like the American t34 are a perfect tank because even though they are “post war” they still fit the scope of the br, and top tier Germany has some of the best tanks in game, the issue isn’t so much the tanks as the teams. German teams are hands down the worst part of German tanks

As you said germany is only kinda good at low tier but the tier it really shines at is 5.7, if you know how to play the vehicles you destroy and everything thats gets in your way. The only thing that can kill german vehicles effectively in a head on fight even with an angled tiger 1 is the IS-2 but that tank is 6.0 so its a slight uptier at that point. The only way you really kill german tanks at 5.7 is by aiming at their frontal turret or by disabling them. Though every point youve made is indeed correct.

I love when my panther D and face up against tanks with over 250mm of composite armor and 88mm guns with over 300mm of pen

I dont watch your videos often... and i have no idea whether this is supposed to be a jab at german players or if you're actually serious... edit: nevermind... im 6 minutes into the video and i found my answer... this is a video mocking german players.

Why is the ozelot 9.7?! Russia have missle aa at 9.3

Wittmanns tiger skin should be added

The only nations gaijin doesn't hate is russia and china

Once I asked Gaijin in my comments why arent in the pages of history any german. That post never made it to the comments section. Thx to the moderators overthere. ;) I can understand that it might be difficult to add some german personalities -specially from WW2. But guys, there are a lot who even were after the WW2 in the Bundeswehr and Nato soldiers (mainly aces like Hartmann, Steinhoff etc.). They could also add for example the soldiers who did try to kill Hitler on July 20, 1944 (all around von Staufenberg). So, what's the poblem? Further, there might be also some german soldiers after ww2 who earned to be on the history pages.

Also, germany is used for the grind a lot, the Ju 288 is the best example for this. Playing the BR ranges full of these really well earning Premiums is just ridicolous.

Well, i do partially agree with some of the things you say. The top tier situation for Germany's a joke, and people truly are stuck in 2020 regarding how germany is doing. Recently they ARE adding in new stuff for germany now, but i find the argument regarding the prototypes and shit a bit dishonest at best. Because the Panther 2 portrayed in WT is not the actual Panther 2, the actual panther 2 looks more akin to the Panther G, so technically it already does exist. The Tiger 10.5 never existed in any way, shape or form. It was just a consideration from top brass like "What if we put a 105mm on a Tiger 2?", And did get advance beyond that. The Coelian, i completely agree though, it has had a wooden mockup, and did technically "exist" because of that. I find it funny that the vehicle they replaced it with (The Ostwind 2) never actually existed in any way, no mockups, pictures or whatever, It's more paper than the paper vehicle it intended to replace. The Maus was not removed because "It is unbalanced", it's because it's "Impossible to balance." Especially with the state of BR compression, if you put the maus too low, it ends up killing everything around it, if you put it too high up, it will get slapped out of existance faster than you could say Panzer Selbstfahrlafette I für 7,62-cm-PaK 36(r) auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf. D1 und D2. It's why it only pops up as an event vehicle these days. Although the accurate era thing can in some ways be a valid argument, but they do make them fight vehicles a bit later in time because there are little to no reliable counters against those vehicles. It'd be ridiculous to put the Tiger down to 4.7 because it faced tanks at that BR. Germany would massacre everything in that BR. The puma argument is funny, because they were built between 1943 and 1945, so by the historical matchmaking logic, it'll have to fight alongside tigers constantly (And not voluntarily). It should at least be the same BR as the 1951 EBR. Both are so similar it's not even funny that the french one gets to be higher up. Also, fun tidbit: The East Germans did actually have a MiG-19 variant that COULD fire AAMs, called the MiG-19PM. Also concludingly: Of course the Germans would get the weaker versions of existing planes at top tier, ESPECIALLY the MiG-29. The Russians specifically gave the East Germans a variant of the MiG-29 with weaker engines on purpose.

Hey, your German jet bomber will have access to no flares, but the enemy can potentially have missiles at this BR. OH, also your tanks will all be outclassed by tanks, around 6.0 on, that they would never have fought and have access to sabot rounds or HEAT, and you wont move as fast as these vehicles on average. And to boot, everything American and Russian at these tiers will be sloped as all get out, or uparmored to ridiculous amounts, so have fun!! The German shells feel iffy at top tier, given that anything Russian feels like it can kill whatever you are driving, doesn't matter what weapons they actually use. Also, the T-34 in real life was able to be wiped by pretty much any Panzer that came across them, despite Gaijin portraying it as able to bounce a flak 88 shell.

At least playing Germany is better than playing Britain and I’m a Britain main

gotta factor in the reliability issues somewhere

you forgot the 20mm he ammo nerf

I use 8.0 german setup consited of Turm 3, Leopard and Marader 1A3. I dont think Leopard deserves being at 8.0 same as Marader. Marader is basically pointless at that br 20mm can pen spaas and bmps. Sometimes i get uptierd against vehicles that have active protection system so even rockets are useless. For leopards its just sad that its at 8.0 with his heatfs and non stabilized cannon fighting against vehicles that have apfsds and stabilizer.

Gaijin are biased... They are Russia and Chinese fanboys. This is why Russian and Chinese vehicles in the game are overpowered, even though their real-world vehicles are trash.

I personaly don't think that vehiacles should fight by era but gaijin should set up some sort of system to test vehicles so that they don't have to base it on player statistics but on the tanks stats.

JUSTICE FOR GERMANY

”No historical matchmaking” dude the tiger 1 would be moved down if they implemented that even though they are stupid op

This man speaks only fact!!!! Hear Hear!!!

2:51 - Top secret documentation. Devs can't add certain modern vehicles due to a lack of documentation, hence why the modern Abrams with DU can't be added.

No wonder Im getting frustrated at 6.3 ground rb

8 months later... I think Germany now is in a good spot IMO, but only in low and high/top tiers because they received more Leopards, and yes one being the Leopard 2AV7 and variants of the Leopard 2A6, Mid-tier they still somewhat suffer. Regardless they are in a better position now.

Gaijin: We listening to u 😂

I started playing War THunder about a year after release and quit for about year because it was so out of balance. It is better than it was but by no means alot better. USSR tanks and planes still rule and every other nation is crapped on. But just remember it was alot worse. I remember being in tier 4 American and I could not pen anything Russian period. Sides overpressure you name it it was almost impossible.

I’ve been playing Germany for a while, never had a struggle with any of these problems So like, either I’m amazing at the game Or it’s just a skill issue