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In the end it make sense. Old man was stealing or faking the unkept power of zangetsu as his own and a bankai is the true sword. Plus the whole thing of Quincy was stealing the bankai and his og bankai was just compacted. BUT!!! I still love small tensa and in bleach brave soul call this “true zangetsu” I’m hoping ichigo can have a “true tensa zangetsu” too
I forgot if it’s stated anywhere in the hell arc, but maybe, he’s in his base form during the hell arc (that’s probably his new unreleased blade), and when he releases his shikai, we’ll see the dual blades again, then Bankai is what we saw during TYBW.
Well it's understandable considering he now valuees his power...So it's not only a sign of experience but also shows he cares about his Zapakuto at last, having in mind he now knows there are ways it can be taken from him, thus always having his form unleashed poses to him a double edged sword. Power and liability.
Perfect explanation by Tommo. Ichigo reppin' Isshin's cut, and yeah, Ichigo just "this fight I'll dual blade that ass". Next, "I'll just end this shit quick and get my kitchen knife"
no changes on the smaller blade, if ever, considering that it represents the quincy aspects of Ichigo. the fullbring powers would technically be part of the shinigami-hollow blade because of how fullbring is influenced by hollow reiryoku
@@JJT1705 that’s true, since ichigos fullbringer powers were only the surface of his hollow powers it could just give it a skeletal look like how the other fullbringers got when they were buffed
Ichigo didn't have his fullbringer powers stolen he had the reiatsu stolen He still has them because he uses the fullbringers "flash step" move the green light one during TYBW when returning to the Soul Society to talk to byakuya without being detected
Keeping Zangetsu in its more familiar single blade form outside of combat is probably best because stowing the dual blades will be awkward with the scabbards that they use.
His normal zangetsu is just his zanpakuto liek how other shinigami ahve normal swords he has his kitchen knife while his shikai is the dual swords which means we’ll get to see and here his shikai call out
I think the hell chapter zangetsu is his sealed zanpakuto and in shikai he wields the scabbard that's non represented in his sealed state and bankai he puts them back together wielding his whole power in one concentrated form
@@User5hdbh I don't think that's quite accurate, I don't think that the scene at the end of bleach can be or will be replicated it was a special circumstance. I think the true zangetsu is the white and black blade with the chain, and the blade we see at the beginning and the end is what zangetsu looks like without any influence from his hollow or quincy. Think about it, when ichigo first activates "zangetsu" after shattered shaft two things happened, the first is that old man zangetsu showed himself to ichigo and then right after suppressed white and the zangetsu we see is one where white has little to no influence, canonically white has never taken control of Ichigo in his base/shikai state it only happens in bankai because tensa zangetsu brings his hollow side forward. In the final battle with yhwach ichigo touches down for a rematch with yhwach and at this time ichigos hollow and quincy reiatsu have been completely drained from him he is running on his shinigami powers I think that it might be a stretch to say he is in bankai at this point despite the appearance of tensa zangetsu. There's a couple things that point to ichigo actually being in his base form the first is the colour of his getsuga tenshou, bankai getsuga is always black that's the rule it's a different attack from shikai getsuga which is gold. When ichigo fires a getsuga at yhwach in this fight it's gold. The second part is yhwachs inability to break tensa zangetsu, yhwach says specifically that he's gone into the future and broken all bankai so at the point in the story nobody had bankai, ichigos blade only cracked and i think that's because yhwach didn't target ichigo specifically and Ichigo wasn't in a bankai state at all that the damage was only superficial because his zanpakuto was in its sealed form. Without white being present zangetsu isn't a true zanpakuto he isn't present any time that we see ichigo wielding this larger zangetsu blade. Tldr; the blade referred to as true zangetsu isn't true zangetsu at all it's an inferior blade that manifests when white is suppressed and old man zangetsu is suppressing him and Ichigo only transitioned seamlessly between bankai and sealed state because he had no hollow powers at the time so he wasn't in bankai to begin with.
I wish Ichigo's sealed sword was his original Bankai blade, but now with a white sheath. Then, the sword and scabbard would turn into two swords for shikai before fusing into 1 for Bankai.
I just realized that Ichigo might have done what Aizen did with his Zanpakuto and merged with it, whatever effect that it has Ichigo now possesses it as a passive ability just like Aizen.
At first when I saw old zangetsu came back for the final blow, I was very disappointed. I felt like all this journey was made for nothing. Like all the character development was erased in one second. But after the years, when I see this picture, it makes me happy. Because now I see it like this : The dual blades was the symbolic of his parent’s heritage. But his true power, what he forged on his own, who he was from the very start, was always there. And even when everything is destroyed, this last. Even when we wonder, what we are is not lost. That is a wonderful metaphor of our lives. We are a part of who made us, but not only. We are someone appart too. A authentically being. And for me, in bleach, the symbol of this deepest identity it’s this blade, old zangetsu. Forged by Ichigo’s will, his desire, his soul. A blade able to pierce fate, and write his own. Sorry for my low English. But that what I feel ❤️
A blade able to pierce fate, and write his own No need for apology. Your English is just fine. And I love that last line....^^^^It sums up Ichigo's personal growth tbh
I legit broke down when i saw the OG Zangetsu used for the final blow. It took me back in time all those years ago when he first awoke as a substitute shinigami.
Or simply is the thing that Mayuri said, a broken bankai can't be fixed, and since the sheat broke in the fight against Yhwach now Ichigo's bankai is permanently like that, without the sheat
They should just canonize his giant blade as base, dual blades as shikai, and the tensa/hollow/quincy version as bankai. Even if Kubo stated whatever tf he wanted previously, he could always retcon to make the story more plausible
He can Change between the forms of his true shikai. Its not a new "unreleased" form that goes into True Shikai, that is true shikai, he can just change between the forms. Not any weaker or stronger
@vastos2587 Nah Kubo said it's because of the shattering of The outer part of his bankai. He absorbed it allowing him to change it between the scabbard and dual blade
My theory is it’s Ichigo fullbring nature that allows him to stabilize those differents powers together and allow to turn a sheath into a whole weapon. Maybe even Ichigo subconsciously got inspiration from Ikkaku’s way to fight
Minor correction: there's no confirmation the smaller blade is the sheathe, there's a great case to be made about the bigger one being the scabbard. A much better one in fact. In fact, I've never seen anyone with any arguments for the smaller blade being the scabbard beyond the fact it instinctively make more sense for his shinigami powers to be the blade.
I’m pretty sure Kubo literally said that’s what it is, but I also can’t quite remember Kubos exact words so I will simply double check before I said for certain
@@Step43099 That's my point, he didn't say which one was the scabbard, people just instantly assume it's the smaller one, I quote: "Although this hasn't been touched upon in detail and since I don't plan on expanding upon this topic any further I'm going to answer your question here. The dual Zangetsu is made up of "the blade" and "the scabbard". The correct form of a Zanpakuto is one that includes a scabbard and there are only two blades without one: Sayafushi and Zangetsu. The dual blade state fixes Zangetsu into its "correct form" while its Bankai state provides the scabbard, and what was seen after it shattered is the "True Zangetsu". The shattered scabbard was absorbed by Ichigo so if he wanted to he could split it back into two, but I guess that depends on Ichigo himself."
@@xegin1572 it actually does make more sense for the bigger sword to be the scabbard because IIRC Sayafushi was the sword Oetsu used in the royal palace defense bit and he said it was a failure of a Zanpakuto he couldn't give to anyone *because it was so sharp he couldn't make a sheath it didn't destroy* and Ichigo's quincy powers being wrapped in his Shinigami and Hollow powers makes sense given how they were for most of the series lel although i guess you could say a blade that destroys its sheath would also fit hollow powers too oof lel
@@Pokemaster-wg9gx Exactly, every single visual clue we have points toward the bigger one being the scabbard, but most people entirely miss that, assume the smaller one in the scabbard, and won't have any real arguments beyond "It'd make more sense for his Soul Reaper powers to be the blade"
@@magortom I mean that's most writing in a nutshell. Every form ichigo had could realistically be summed up by Kubo saying "So I was just drawing and thought of some cool looking shit and wanted to draw that" we're just lucky he had the freedom to show us so many cool designs.
@@RadarFinsR I'd like to see the proof that this is most of all writing ever written, I think you're being defensive of stuff you like. I agree much of manga is like this but not all and being consistent is pretty important. This isn't consistent
Tid bit of neat bleach Lore. After the events of TYBW in the second light novel of CFYOW going into hell arc, Ichigo confronts Urahara about his shady reasoning to why he hid the hogyoku inside Rukia. To avoid spoilers… an altercation ensues leading to Urahara using his bankai to surgically line up Ichigo’s nappy ass ginger head and give him a low taper fade so he can finally bag that bad bit Orahime. I also made all this up, type shit💀
The most interesting thing from the tybw arc is that you can have different powers based onnyour perspective. Changinf the name of your shikai or bankai could give you a different effect. We've seen this not only with ichigo and Tosen but many kther characters too. Renji for one has 2 bankai he can choose to use. Im.sure ichigo has more than one bankai as well. It will be cool to see them explore this more.
Oh boy no. Ukitake and kyoraku have very unique circumstances just like ichigo to justify why they are dual wielding but each explanation is very different
Shorts was genius for your channel. Great addition. Will reach much bigger audience and get a bigger draw to the longer analyses, I hope. Good luck. Keep up the good work
Zangetsu did have a sheath back in the beginning of the substitute soul reaper arc when it was just a big sword. It was in its sealed form. The giant butchers knife is his shikai. Black Katana is his bankai. True Zangetsu would also be in its shikai because Ichigo never reseals his zanpakto after Renji breaks it and he gets his own soul reaper powers
I thought it was a nice touch that the larger sword dispersed into red motes of reiatsu (the colour of his Hollow powers) while the smaller sword dissipated into blue motes (the colour of his Quincy reiatsu in the original anime) before both turn Ichigo’s yellow as he accepts them as part of himself.
I believe that's a sealed sword of some kind. Through out the series Ichigo's power was always held back; this is him doing it by his own will. I image older Ichigo has more control over his power, plus it makes sense that a really powerful being is still allowed to live in the human world if he had some kind of suppression of his power.
His control over his power is insane at this point given the fact that Shunsui believed Ichigo might not be able to come to the Human World because how powerful he was becoming and being a Soul King candidate Ichibe would've made Ichigo take the Soul King's place as the linchpin if the plan failed, so it can be assumed that Ichigo had reishii comparble to the Soul King or enough reishii to keep the three worlds divided.
I think at this point since ichigo is a fusion of all the supernatural races, human, shinigami, quincy, and hollow it's essentially "rules stopped applying"
I feel like the sword we see in the hell chapter is either his sealed blade or another form of his shikai and the blades merging into the scabbard is his true bankai form and the scabbard breaking revealing the true zangetsu is just another stage or part of his bankai I’m sure it’s probably related to whatever his bankai abilities are and if it’s true ichigo could learn a tsudo resurrection combined with quincy I feel like he’d merge with the blade and I feel like horn of salvation is like his base hollow form I don’t find it a coincidence he can use gran rey cero in horn of salvation like an espada I kinda wanna see a resurrection ichigo tbh
I hope that Kubo continue the storyline of the Hell chapter as it is left with unattached strings. It was a good follow up story actually. As it is act as the new beginning of the Bleach storyline like the Naruto-Boruto storyline there.
I think kubo got caught up tbh. He just forget. Like how toriyama forgot sayians had tails or that there was a super sayian 3 form. It happens he was so use to drawing the og released zanguetsu he did it for the hell arc. it had been awhile if im not mistaken from the end of tybw and then the hell arc one shot
Due to how the blades work, the weird state of his bankai makes sense. After a whole half of it was destroyed (which as we know is near irreversible at best for bankai) the way it transforms, by physically combining the two, would be forever altered as well. I’m just curious what it looks like in Shikai now
(this brought about a realization/theory, so its a kinda long one before you start reading) And lets not forget that Ichigo's single blade zangetsu uses its hand wrap/ cloth trailing it as a wrap/sheathe for the sword itself when Ichigo is not using it and has it on his back. In fact, Itd be better, IMO, to kind of assume now given all of the series that the sword and the handle wrap were both the representations of all of ichigo's power all this time as well, and that the wrap simply became its own sword proper and made this more apparent is all. This is great because its a good visual representation of Old Man Zangetsu/ Ichigo's quincy powers "sheathing" the actual sword/White/Ichigo's actual hollow/shinigami powers but letting out the blade to use still. Its all filtered through OMZ controlling and limiting his powers. Add to this that both versions of ichigo's bankai prior to TYBW also had the white wrap turn into a chain attached to Tensa Zangetsu, and even wrapping up his arm when he came out of the Dangai to face Aizen. Essentially, this whole thing as always been the case, Ichigo's blade proper represented his shinigami powers but the handle wrap has always been the representation of the quincy powers, becoming a chain for the compressed sword in bankai. Now ichigo uses it the same way in the hell arc, but can turn the wrap into a proper weapon for his Quincy powers. This might mean that while it can actually cut still, the TYBW bankai we saw broken immediately is actually *still sheathed the whole time* technically, and that Ichigo might unleash even more power, sort of like his final hit against Yhwach when it broke away, it just didnt get a good showcase cue to story events.
I wish Ichigo and Yhwach would have a climatic battle in the anime. Don't give me "ohh it made sense tho for Yhwach to destroy…" no, its not. Its anticlimatic thats what it is, and the guy has to catch a deadline. He has plenty of time to revise bunch of scenes even added a new one for the anime
So combining the shealth and the blade makes it look like old shikai ? Why would did kubo even choose that ? I was fine with fullbring shikai, then it's back to the old kitchen knife. Dual is way better.
@@freemusic8694 indeed the drip is awesome with the black crosses on him as well as on the gloves and the thin black sword was really cool. Now his bankai is a massive ugly sword with no drip at all....
I suppose that makes sense. Ikkaku uses both his sword and sheath in combat, and combines the two to unleash his shikai, Hozukimaru...And several other shinigami can choose whatever form to have their Zanpakuto in, like Urahara and Genryusai choosing to keep theirs as a walking cane by default, when they likely used to look like ordinary katana when they first got it.
I always thought that Ichigo carried around his shikai all the time, so naturally. Like it was always sealed. So I think what we think his Shikai is, is actually Zangetsu's sealed state, and the 2 swords are the actual shikai. And maybe his bankai is the old one, tybw one, or maybe a new one that's a combination of the two for the hell arc.
For a while, I thought that he had lost/resealed (not intentionally) his Quincy powers and returned to his previous one sword Shikai after Yhwach had forcefully stripped him of his power during their fight. I may be mis-remembering this as it's been years since I reread their fight, but I think at some point Yhwach steals Ichigo's "power" stripping him of blut. I always just assumed that his Bankai broke seemingly so easily because the Quincy power was nearly completely drained at that point, so his normal Shikai was more durable as it was solely made from his Shinigami and hollow power. I'm not saying that Ichigo doesn't have his Quincy power, just that he probably needs another moment similar to the Jail situation where his soul absorbed Quincy reishi to reawaken his dormant Quincy power. But I like this explanation better, amd it kinda affirms my assumption that the Quincy power was weakened considering Ichigo just absorbed the remaining bits into his base sword. Either way, it's pretty cool.
The Quincy element was a parasite presence that leeched/suppressed his true powers and turned Ichigo against his true sword. So yeah, it absolutely weakened him to the umpteenth degree. I stand by the notion that it should've been expelled completely, robbing Yhwach of any control and influence he once had over Ichigo. Thus Ichigo 'breaks free' of the Quincy's fate of being devoured by Yhwach upon death/auswählen.
@@Aurora-313the quincy part of him isn't a "parasite" it's part of his full powers, that's like saying white is a parasite, he isn't, it's just part of his powers, powers he's been using since the beginning, if you can't remember, Yhwach was either killed or split into fragments of reiatsu that we see Ichigo's son absorb, which i'm pretty sure were just left over globs of reiatsu, either way, Yhwach has no control over Ichigo anymore, so there's no need to amputate his fully functioning arm that provides him with more power
@@bbqsauce890 I agree... My thing is, I believed that his Quincy powers had been stolen leading his Quincy side to go dormant. Like how when Ginjo stole Ichigo's powers and Rukia rekindled his power. My thought process was that after Yhwach had stolen Ichigo's power, he would need that kind of exposure to Quincy power once more to reawaken his dormant powers, similar to how it took absorbing bits of Quige's Jail to reawaken his power that presumably was sealed back when he was a child and Yhwach used Auswahlen (He lived because his soul is more complex with different powers co-existing). But that was my understanding, I could be wrong tho.
@@revenantronin8377 my guy he is still friends with Uryu at the end of the series so exposure to quincy power wouldn't be an issue *at all* lel also Masaki only died because her fighting style revolved around using her Blut barrier to bait in attacks and shoot enemies for a free easy kill when they were surprised but the Auswahlen yoinked that right when she was gonna use it and she didn't really have time to adjust if she even realized it was gone oof lel
I think his old shikai is now his base sword. Probably correctly representing that his shikai is probably strong as a normal captain bankai, and his bankai is just way beyond anything that wasn't Ichibei and stronger than that too
The "True Zangestsu" that appeared after Yhwach destroyed the sheath is a call back to Ichigo's original zanpakotou that he got in the first episode/chapter (obviously) and it also subtly showcases how he had all this power from the very beginning of the series but he wasn't able to use them comfortably before because of OMZ's interference in his powers and his mental constraints. But as soon as he accepts himself and his powers as he/they are, his zanpakotou becomes a single large blade, showcasing the union of his powers and his immense reiatsu. PS - I also love the fact that Ichigo can switch between his dual blades and "True Zangestsu" in the hell arc chapter. He can use his dual blades when he is fighting multiple enemies and can then switch back to the single blade when he is fighting a single strong enemy.
a lot of people don't have sheaths at shikai, most if any don't have one at bankai. it depends on the powers i'd assume. someone who would iai based abilities would probably keep the sheath in shikai and bankai.
Start of the series: Shikai - KITCCHENIFFEEE!!! > ] , *Ban! **_KAI!_* - peace symbol guard katana with chain Fullbring: Shikai - Bone... saw? : ? , *Ban! **_KAI!_* - DIS katana haz FANGZs! and a peace symbol guard. WITH fangs! TYBW: Shikai - _"This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!"_ , *Ban! **_KAI!_* - drugs on the outside, coal on the inside! Hellz YEAH! Hell chapter: Shikai - Kitchiinn KNIFEEE- Yea! > D
Close but not quite. Zangetsu is the in hell chapter is his shikai. What ywach saw was ichigo defeating him with his shikai. He got knocked out of bankai to shikai and defeated ywach just like he saw with Zangetsu. He's back in full time release here. The twin blades are base zanpaktou as in his proper asauchi tha he never had. This is like him having a base katana like regularshinigami. Like you said the is the scabbard is because all zanpaktou have two. This is not a shikai requirement. Also zanpaktou do not get forged in shikai. Meaning he does not have two shikai and a bankai. He now properly have his asauchi shikai and bankai. And yes he can use all 3 at his choice like kubo said but so can all shinigami.
I think the big knife is Ichigo's sealed Zanpakutou. I don't think it's a "sealed shikai" as early lore suggested for both Ichigo and Kenkenpachi. Both discovered their true Shikai, and later Bankai, and yet they each still have their old swords as they were prior to such revelations. The giant Khyber knife form of Zangetsu is and always has been its sealed form. I'm relatively confident that, should Ichigo call the shared name of his twin blades, they would both manifest as we saw in TYBW.
in my mind i was hoping it looked like that because its his sealed variant of zangetsu so in base BIG kitchen knife then shikai dual swords then bankai big sword
I always thought the single blade was the unreleased state and shikai splits it into 2 , the sword and sheath then bankai merges them both to reveal true zangetsu 😅
If that's true wonder if he can change the look of his Bankai as well like if he can make it look like his old one too or that big ass sword he got during the war. I mean technically Byakuya can change his Bankai's appearance too so maybe it's the case here too like his Old Bankai acts like his Speed mode and the new one if just him in regular speed but the attack is higher than speed mode.
