Why Does Miquella Want An Eclipse? ➤ Elden Ring Lore Hunting 

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FromSoftware causing a real life eclipse to boost hype for the dlc shows why they are the best game developers

Also, Miquella actually tried to bring about the Eclipse, think about it: the Eclipse implies that the Moon covers the Sun, so for this to happen, the stars have to be moving - however, Radahn held back the stars. And that's why Malenia tried to kill him during the Shattering, in order to make the Eclipse happen (that's also why Malenia ignored and spared Godrick - he wasn't her goal, she didn't want to kill without a purpose). In fact, Miyazaki confirmed we have to kill Radahn to enter the DLC. There are also at least two other meanings to the "Eclipse": one, the Night of the Black Knives, which was, at least thematically, an Eclipse (the Moon, Ranni, and the Sun, Godwyn, overlapping in death); the other, whatever the DLC tree is (it's speculation, but I assume the "leaking" tree is the real Erdtree, which we know is as important as the Sun, and the tree strangling it is Godwyn's Deathroot Tree, especially since we see its roots, but never the tree itself - so again, an Eclipse of the Sun, aka Death strangling Life).

Oh cool and eclipse! (thinks about beserk) wait....NO NO NOOOOOO

Elden ring visuals with elder scrolls music brings a tear to my eye😢

The timing is actually wild

"The moon will eclipse the sun" makes me think he wants it to fully switch over to his female counterpart to literally embody being an empyrean,from there on idk what the plan was,I remember Tarnished Archaeologist "Purify the Erdtree" theory,recommend giving it a look

So Elden Ring DLC releases the year of an eclipse... wonder if that was planned at all. The last big solar eclipse was 2017, and earlier that year Ringed City / DS3 was released.

100% we gonna have a slave knight geal type of situation with miquella

Our eyes are yet to open… - Willem

After attending a watch party for Todays eclipse (April 8th, 2024), the line about "onlookers unable to move their gaze" hits deeper. hundreds of ppl were just looking up at the sky in silence(aside from some "wows"). It was kinda eerie It was kinda

I think it's very simple: the eclipse of Miquella and his faithful is two fold. 1) the replacement of the Erdtree with the Heiligtree (as the Erdtree functions as a sun in game) 2) cleave the births and deaths from the Erdtree (ala granting Godwyn a true death, freed from the Erdtree) But the ultimate goal is to prevent the meddlings of gods like The Greater Will, the God of Rot, the Formless Mother, et al. Ultimately the plan was started by Marika and Miquella failed at executing it. Just as Marika usurped the Gloameyed Queen, gained the Elden Ring, and removed Destined Death from it in an attempt to create an eternal age of abundance... Miquella would follow that same model and inherit the Elden Ring, but actually achieve the abundance eternal due to removing the Erdtree and the influence of the outer gods. But everything failed. The Erdtree was unbroken. Miquella was stolen (and ultimately killed, his spirit separate from his body). And the Heiligtree withered and rots. The eclipse was a failure.

You know, i wonder: His soul was killed, but his body was left alive. What if the tremendous transformation was because something _moved in?_ A living body without a soul is but a empty vessel, free for the picking. The question then would be _what_ could have found its residence within? Food for thought.

Love the material, man. What if the Eclipse was a prior attempt by Miquella to reach the Shadow Realm, and Mogh's abduction was part of a more elaborate plan or an unexpected hiccup, that ended up getting him there?

I'm not sure if you've missed something from Miquella's and Godwyn's relationship, but it is quite interesting to humor the idea that Miquella purposely manipulated Mohg into kidnapping him to denounce his power and connection with the Golden Order in order to make it to the Realm of Shadows. After all, we can deduct from the dialogue in one of the voices from the trailer how Miquella's influence can be more terrifying and manipulative than benelovent.

Wow, the snake ring is such a cool detail - I’ve never noticed that before. Gotta be related to Messmer, right (maybe a gift)?

Miquella is one of the most interesting characters and we know little of him. Thanks for this video, Miquella is also known for his Needles and he's depicted in his own city as an adult male holding a gigantic needle, probably for Godwyn.

I don't participate in lore discussion so I'm not well versed but could the eclipse represent lunar princess ranni blocking the sun (godwyn the golden) to create a shadow. Weren't Miquella and Ranni compatriots in some way as seen by the torrent connection. Could Miquella have sacrificed godwyn his self to get to the shadow realm by helping orchestrate the night of the black knives? There has to be some connection between the eclipse and the moon.

The reason the comparison to berserk is so big is due to the casualty of the story. A lot of the lore we read is obscured during our play through. Everyone loves Miquella. Except ranni. I believe them two worked together. Miquella had to have known godwyn was going to die. It makes sense for what he’s doing now. If godwyn didn’t die would he still be doing what he’s doin? I doubt that.

Smoughtown has discussed thr relationship between Miquella and Godwyn a bit.

For anyone in the future, please be respectful.

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Killin it again with the music and cinematography. You've managed to carve out a unique look and feel for your channel and that's no small feat, Tarnished! Great work

Love the Skyrim music in the background. Definitely hit me with some nostalgia.

2:27 The misbegotten in the background 🤣🤣🤣

miyazaki boutta recreate berserks eclipse but this time nobody dies because everybody is already dead

Just found your channel a couple of days ago, subbed immediately - Good shit my man

It feels like everyone is overlooking some essential things. Ranni and Miquella knew each other, to the point he trusted her with a spirit summoning bell to give to whoever rides torrent, who he knew. An eclipse is a moon covering the sun, Ranni is a dark moon. There are lesser black knife assassins that guard the entrance to the haligtree. If anything, Miquella worked with Ranni to get Godwyn killed. But then Ranni did a plot twist at the end. It feels like this is being overlooked because, in a meta sense, Miquella has entranced the player base with affection towards him based on the mysterious nature of how he is covered

You and Lee did awesome on this vid

Bro this video is crazy! Good shit

Wow!!!! New sub here. Loved this video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and extensive research into a game we all love.

Surprised you didn't use your classic drawing with the Divine Towers to showcase where the DLC area is :). More seriously, great video, and super appreciative of the work you and Lee put into this!

The problem with Miquella trying to communicate with Godwyn through the roots of the Haligtree is that the Haligtree is just about the only place in the game that _isn't_ connected to the Erdtree's roots/Deathroot. I think he specifically grew the Haligtree outside of the Lands Between to escape the influence of the Greater Will.

Ooooooo good timing for this video. Happy eclipse!

Beautifully researched and presented. Excited to see what answers will be revealed.

Guts in the corner “no no no wait wait wait”

Perfect video to watch on eclipse day. Also I love the Skyrim soundtrack in the background

You ended the vid with my absolute favorite Skyrim song. Awesome !

Very well done Jake. As with everything in Elden Ring, more answers lead to more questions. In my last play through, I spent much time in Castle Sol also. I began to think about the significance of the Eclipse, and, why there was a rather unique Mausoleum there. The Mausoleums duplicate remembrances. The Eclipse (rebirth, renewal). You have Miquella (Eternal Youth), and Godwyn (Eternal Death, or, eternal Undead). There are depictions in this game of one trees roots growing from the top of a tree below it, We have the Shadow of the Erdtree under a Veil (eclipse?) So, what does this all mean? I have no idea. But, my theory is this. Eclipse, Mausoleums, roots intertwining, eternal youth and death....Miquealla perhaps, was/is attempting to fuse his Soul into the Godwyns body. Why? Because it would in theory end the Death blight seeping from Godwyns corpse, and, it cures Miquella of his eternal youth. This also could give a reason as to why Melenia marched her ass all the way to Caelid to face off against Radhan...because he held the Stars (Moon included) in place. There COULDN'T be an Eclipse because of him. She lost, which is why the Ghost is lamenting. (Which is why you have to defeat Radhan before the DLC). Obviously Mohg stealing his body probably hindered things a tad also. If Ranni used a ritual to free her soul and destroy Godwyns body...then surely Miquella could use the Ritual to free his soul INTO Godwyns body. To offer a more, perhaps, sinister/selfish reason...is that this May grant Miquella ultimate power over Life and Death. In essence, he would become the God of the Eclipse, and have full Lordship and control over all those born, and all those that die. IE, he would actually become the next Great Tree (and I believe is another step in his plan to remove the Influences of ALL the Outer Gods, including the GW). Obviously this is all theory, and it all could be dead wrong. Either way, I believe that Marika's attempt to remove death was more successful than she had hoped....In essence, she created the violation of the Golden Order, she created Those that Live in Death, because they CAN'T die....but that's a completely different topic.

Why did you have to hit me with that music though (if you know, you know). Great video by the way, I just had to rewind after going on a nostalgia journey first 😅

Excellent video as always.

what good timing for me lol, I was at castle sol in my new playthrough the other day and read the dialogue of that spirit guy near the 2nd haligtree medallion and got curious about it because I hadn't heard anyone talking about it, I searched a little on the internet about it but couldn't find that many discussions

Great choice of opening music

That was some 3 star michelin lore cooking lads, keep at it!

Throwing some ideas around: 1. Two headed snake reminds me of Messmer, maybe his lil skinny red snakes are just one two-headed snake 2. I always found the ghost’s dialogue from castle Sol to be kind of telling. Like, why did it say that it will never see the Haligtree? Is Miquella like incentivizing them to bring about an eclipse by saying they will only get access to the haligtree if they can summon an eclipse I don’t get it. Seems kind of manipulative on Miquella’s part but I guess that wouldn’t be very surprising

I always thought Miquella was the body seen in the roots of the Haligtree... but what if that's Godwyn? .... Also, Miquella and Godwyn both seem to have parts of their story that seem to relate to Griffith from Berserk... our view of Godwyn is similar to how people out of the know see Griffith. Golden child that does nothing but succeed and win... then BAM, out of the picture... I saw Godwyn in the Depths and it reminded me of Griffith being tortured......... Also Messmer's arm looks like Miquella's arm coming out of the pod at Mogh's place. So there's that.

The game has so many different layers aside from the ingame story thats been told... The pictures with sun and moon and miquella as the healer are highly alchemical or occult (psychological) loaded pictures.. u might wanna look into individuation (C.G.Jung) or the magnus opus / the philosophers stone.

Obviously "My brother come join me" but I did read that thumbnail as "And I'm Coming For You Brother!" Hulk Hogan style

I love how well skyrim background music goes so well with elden ring videos

you can see an eclipse every dusk from the first step. The dragon temple ruins island block light from the setting sun. Coincidentally or perhaps not, the path of light the sun cast on the ocean almost leads to roundtable hold, and in the opposite direction is farum azula, where you can always see the sun from. Its almost like farum azula at some point, eclipsed the sun. All the martyrs and effigies around look like the shape of Marika's soreseal and the rune of death, but describe as being a connection to other worlds. I wonder if those other worlds could include the land of shadow, and when an elipse is cast, souls of the dead can spill into the lands between and spread not only undead, but deathroot too. I believe like regular trees grow toward the sun, there is a dark tree in the shadow land that grows toward the dark, and when an eclipse is cast or deathroot is spreading, these death trees will grow in the dark or toward an eclipse. I think this could explain the death of the fire giants, and the one with a lid blocked the eclipse from affecting him/her

Kinda ironic how Miquella is obsessed with Godwyn, while Mogh is definitely obsessed with Miquella for the sake of the Moghwyn dynasty. Anyways I throw my quick theory that Godwyn is The Sun and he sent presents to Ranni from Castle Sol like the Icerind Hatchet to court her and tragically we end up with lusterless sun and a dark moon joined in an eclipse.

dropping this on eclipse day genius

I'm super interested in what endings align with what starter classes, it may be nothing but endings like the flame of frenzy would seem to suggest a character with a decent faith stat and I find myself wonder if there's more there...there.

Tarnished Archeology has a bit of content on Miquella. From what I remember - they pointed out he is very closely related to Godwyn - from item descriptions to visuals, it seems that Haligtree was meant equally for him and Malenia, as for helping Godwyn. Including the eclipse, which didn't happen for the same reason for which Ranni questline halted.

Perfect timing for the eclipse hapenning today👏

Also the cover art is dope

Lol standing outside looking at an eclipse and boom notification for this video.

Do you think that Rannis great rune on the moon has something to do with making the eclupes faulty?

Its worth noting how Godwyn's character seems to mirror the norse god Baldur, whose beauty is said to outshine the sun He was also the first of the norse gods to die, an event which is said to be what triggers Ragnarok, just like Godwyn's death led to the shattering There is also a plot to bring back Baldur from Hel, due to him not having a warriors death, similar to how Godwyn didn't die a true death

Nice timing :D

Congratulations Lee🎉🎉

Miquella: if ‘fine, I’ll do it myself’ was a person

Mind blown on the ring. Messmer's connection to the plot thickens

Amazing video. Maybe this has been discussed, but I think the Eclipse is one involving the trees, and not so much celestial bodies. The Castle Sol sigil depicts the eclipse with the Sun’s light literally leaking out like we see happening between the twisting trees shown in the trailer and promotion material for the DLC. It is a tree of death eclipsing one of light. I am trying to rationalize how this might fit in with Miquella’s plan, but I’m fairly certain the eclipse he may want to bring about has already happened or is happening right now.

This DLC is gonna be phenomenal!!!!

Loved the video! One thing I wanted to point out something. In an interview, Miyazaki said there is a hidden meaning in the Title of the dlc. If you look closely the “o” kind of looks like a two-headed oruborus, but the snakes look like trees.

great video brother

Had this thought though I question if it has merit: why are boss doors often blocked by fog or flame that looks very similar to godwyns gold and black death flame as used by the eclipse shotel?

i think the only possible moment for Mogh to capture Miquella was when Malenia went to defeat Radahn so Miquella's destiny could go on. That is one of the few momets for me that I can get in place in a timeline some of the lore events

Woaw, ultra-solid !

on the cliff above the castle is a snow covered blob of what looks like growth of Godwyns deathblight like near summonwater village. Also the ghost trees and the "cataclyscm mechanic" in sekiro dubis video makes me wonder if those trees only appeared AFTER the eclipse which could have been triggered. i wonder if the DLC was actually always planned ot be in the game but had to be sifted and shifted around to fit the budget and time constraits of release. much like the game itself the dlc gets to rebirth itself anew.

Heartbreaking, if Miquella is doing this all for his siblings... that is such a brotherly move

The eclipse will reveal the land of shadow..

I forgot what video but I think vattividya has a video explaining the relationship between miquella and Goldwyn and they were very close.

9:49 bro wherever I go, I can never escape Lousiana, for such a small state you never stop hearing about it

Thank you, finally someone has analysed miquella’s ring

Thank you, I forgot how enchanting Skyrim music is

Please look into the towering sister Albenoric being connected to the giant Nox corpses as being a part of some sort of birthing ritual and also look into the St. Trina Lilies all over at the bottom of the Haligtree, they aren't lootable but are very clearly St Trina lily if you look at them and the icon, there is many purple butterfly there that look like they would be related to St. Trina mingling with the Aoenian butterflies. Perhaps this proves St. Trina is Miquella as those Lily are rare but not at the Haligtree. They numb senses and help with pain, and more importantly, they help you or force you to sleep, perhaps the original intent was to help ease his sisters ailment not only from the rot but also, from the wounds she received in battle, hence why we find her "asleep" and the first thing she mentions is how she slumbered for so long. Thank you, fellow truth seeker.

Godwyn Probubly shone holy light across the lands between and when he died that’s when he spread death.

I watched a total solar eclipse earlier today. Miquella missed it from his egg, sadly.

Love the Skyrim ambiance ❤️❤️

Wonder if this has something similar to the Egg of the Perfect world and Man Made Behelit from Berserk.

I thought the Doiyers were the baseball team in LA

What if that's mesmer in the cocoon. Dreaming.

If they’re going to give Godwyn a true death, are they going to give Godwyn his souls back just to kill him all over again? It would be quite the twist to see the most beloved empyrean, Miquella, commit such a heinous act against his own brother!

Wait I don't ever remember seeing a ring well now learn something new everyday

Hey is it just me, but at 0:46 does anyone see or notice how Queen Markia is seemingly supposed to b holding 3 children…? That statue seems to b in the haligtree, in Loretta’s boss room bfore continuing forward. Nd with the dlc being a month away.. does anoyone else feel like that missing child is supposed to b Mesmer?? Jus like how his throne is missing aside from everyone else’s at the capital🤔.

I just want the dkc to be as memorable as ashes of ariandel , the sister friede fight was so fkn legit

Miquella: starts an eclipse Tarnished: MIQUELLAAAAAAAAAHHH

Oh boy, here it is 😁

I think at the end if the dlc that bud left behind from malenia may start blooming

The cape design knot pattern is not really closed loop. You can even argue it looks like thorns. I had thought the eclipse might be linked more to Radahn, Ranni and Malenia, since eclipse is formed by the sun and the moon... But I'm gonna call it here. Mesmer is not going to be the last boss. He will be the last to stand in the way of you and Miquella fighting Godwyn to give him a final death.

George really wrote such amazing lore! He truly is a master of world building

Fromsoft is such a good company it has live action irl cannon events for its dlcs it’s crazy

Miquella and Godwyn were definitely close, even in Haligtree we see a statue of Malenia,Miquella, and someone who I believe to be Godwyn hugging them. Abandoning Fundamentalism is fs in character as his brother and sister have been inflicted by something they have no control over. Where I get stumped is, what is end goal essentially, I feel it can go both ways I like to lean more towards him being good, but also alot points to him using us for the sake of his plan.

Wait.... Death is heretical under the golden order..... If the oroboros is a symbol of death and rebirth is that potentially why snakes are seen as so loathsome and heretical.

Brother put his Elder Scrolls in my Elden Ring

Miquella being an empirean, godwyn was intended to be his consort. One of the ghosts in castle Sol mentions that the eclipse did not happen and that her comrade remains soulless, referring to Godwyn. You can also infer it because of their titles: Godwyn the golden, and Miquella the unalloyed, no other characters have titles directly referencing gold. The same way as the eclipse shotel uses darkflame, Miquella may have tried to cause an eclipse to get access to the darkflame to be able to completely kill Godwyn, granting him the true death.

Maybe Miquella wants the eclipse for Godwyn's sake for the same reason he may want Malenia to full bloom into the rot goddess? It seems like the reason the golden needle causes a more powerful bloom is because it's ability to stave off rot might be a double edged sword: it cures the symptoms, but allows it to "build up" so when the flood gates finally give it causes a more powerful bloom. Maybe Miquella realized this, and learned he can't start curing it until it's come to a conclusion? Goddess of rot and and the eclipse for Godwyn are both presumably the full impartation of godhood for both of them. A thought I had awhile ago while I was obsessing about Miquella, is that even though Godwyn and Malenia's afflictions have a lot of parallels, they are also kinda opposite. As far as the host/affliction relationship goes, Malenia was born with it, while Godwyn was "infected" with it. So while Malenia was built up on the affliction, with Godwyn the affliction was built up on him. So since unalloyed gold was a major breakthrough for Miquella with his research for his sister, maybe he had the breakthrough for Godwyn. But with the crucible. Their afflictions are opposite. So since unalloyed gold (pure, singular substance) helps Malenia, maybe the crucible (a mixture of everything) helps Godwyn in the same way somehow? It also makes sense considering their origins at birth. Malenia being born of a Rebis fitting well with unalloyed gold, and Godwyn plausibly being related to the crucible due to his birth circumstances. Considering his only siblings were omens. Food for thought anyways

The amount of Godwyn’s eyes on the character on a second play or just knowing of them, will change the way you look at Godwyn’s death