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Why Does the U.S. Spend So Much on Healthcare? High, High Prices. 

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American healthcare spending is still WAY higher than pretty much all other industrialized countries. But not that long ago, things were different. The US didn't spend nearly as much in this realm. What changed? Demographics? More sickness? Nah. Spoiler alert, prices have risen much, much faster than the rate of inflation. We've got a few suggestions for getting it under control.
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@jedimastersterling1
@jedimastersterling1 5 лет назад
Keep in mind that higher prices lead to innovation. Like the 4x hike in price for insulin leading to diabetics paying 4x as much for a century old drug. Gotta love that innovation.
@cbl6520
@cbl6520 2 года назад
Uhhh, wrong. Try the corporate monopoly over the pharmaceutical industry, caused by the FDAs prohibitively high costs and archaic patent laws, that impede competitors from making cheaper generic versions of insulin. Get your facts straight.
@jhonklan3794
@jhonklan3794 2 года назад
I mean we are the leader in health innovation.
@Dunve
@Dunve Год назад
Insulin is a class of drug, not a single drug. The “average” price of insulin products is very high because there have been new long-acting types of insulin that have been developed relatively recently and are still under patent. If you want to take a generic schedule with rapid and NPH insulin it costs around ~2c per unit, or ~$300USD per year for the average type 1 diabetic. At least use a decent example if you are going to make these claims.
@aethylwulfeiii6502
@aethylwulfeiii6502 6 месяцев назад
Just don’t get fat bruh.
@jaakizamazin
@jaakizamazin 6 лет назад
"Don't forget to bill to the highest acuity of care." - med billing dept.
@imjames29
@imjames29 6 лет назад
I once got an earbud stuck in my ear. Went around looking for someone with tweezers to get it out but couldn't find anybody. Went to the ER, didn't even need to check in. They used forceps right behind the desk. $1200
@Boris80b
@Boris80b 6 лет назад
Yep, it's hard to admit that you're not the best at everything in the world when you've been thinking you're the best at everything in the world for a long time. My deductible for single coverage going from $250 in 2010 to $1750 in 2018 (and that's because my employer is pitching in $1250, otherwise it would be $3000) is something that I strongly believe could have been avoided. Face it, healthcare costs in the US are out of control, which they would be without the ACA too, and there is no legitimate way to justify these costs, no matter what anyone says.
@cminmd0041
@cminmd0041 6 лет назад
www.cnbc.com/2017/08/05/top-health-insurers-profit-surge-29-percent-to-6-billion-dollars.html Insurance companies made 6 BILLION dollars in the Second Quarter of 2017- even amid all the turmoil of ACA repeal.
@suchnothing
@suchnothing 6 лет назад
Deductibles are terrifying to me, when it comes to healthcare. If I had to get a medical procedure that costed $2999, I wouldn't be able to afford it. I live in Canada where we have a single-payer system. All I have to do is walk into a clinic, specialist's office, or hospital, and show my healthcare card, no worries or hassle. And I pay less into the healthcare system through my taxes than it would cost me to get a health insurance policy in the U.S.
@neonlost
@neonlost 6 лет назад
I had a terrible sinus problem for months and was avoiding a cat scan.. finally I gave up from the pain and got one. The doctor found nothing and it ended up being skin thing. Now I have $2500 a bill for the cat scan that I have to put on a credit card! only in America.
@TheSurrealist.
@TheSurrealist. 4 года назад
“yOU JuST WaNt FreE StUFf! LaZy LiBurAL!!” No but it’s ok to let the pharmaceutical industry Price gouge medication and let the insurance companies do the same while people die from a lack of healthcare. Yeah people are just lazy right? What the effing fuck is wrong with these people!!!??
@Wordavee1
@Wordavee1 6 лет назад
Too many middle men, too many fat cats taking the cream!!
@stockyphilb7663
@stockyphilb7663 6 лет назад
Too many people willing to part foolishly with their cream.
@Fireclaws10
@Fireclaws10 6 лет назад
StockyPhilB when you're having a heart attack, cream is the least of your worries.
@mightyNosewings
@mightyNosewings 5 лет назад
@@stockyphilb7663 "Inelasticity of demand" mean anything to you?
@kevinmoore2501
@kevinmoore2501 6 лет назад
you make great videos that I enjoy watching. I have given this video a thumbs up, as well as the other videos that I see of yours. I'm also already subbed to you. Kudos again to you for these videos.
@MrPandaCavalry
@MrPandaCavalry 6 лет назад
This topic can be broken down in so many ways and looked at by so many angles. Thanks for sending my mind racing like always :)
@matthewspence766
@matthewspence766 6 лет назад
Really love the videos! Can you do a video on All Payer rate setting? It seems really interesting and not many people know about it. Maybe you could start a series on different state level healthcare systems, similar to your international playlist.
@CG_Hali
@CG_Hali 6 лет назад
Thank you doctor for another video. John Green also had a good video about that subject. It's good that you keep up to date on the research even if it is still the same results (I only mention that because many comments seem baffled at why we need to discuss it). If it keeps being advertized that the higher US costs is due to other reasons like overuse but is indeed not true like you have shown here, it is indeed important to report it. I'm Canadian but have many disabled friends in the US so I like to stay informed. Thanks again!
@zuccheromorte
@zuccheromorte 6 лет назад
Love this!
@ramblingprofessor
@ramblingprofessor 6 лет назад
Well done.
@AliHSyed
@AliHSyed 6 лет назад
This was refreshing. I think everyone intuitively understands that Americans are charged more for the same health (barring possible effects related to intensity of care) but this shows that analytically.
@aethylwulfeiii6502
@aethylwulfeiii6502 6 месяцев назад
Americans have higher need and demand for healthcare due to lifestyle differences.
@Eris-_
@Eris-_ 5 лет назад
The graphic was misleading. I was expecting a comparison with other countries. And in the US, the most overpriced care is catching babies--and we get poorer outcomes as a result. Of all the developed countries the US had the highest rate of mothers dying after a birth--that has increased steadily in the last three decades. Our cesarean rate is way to high (1 in 3 instead of the 1 in 20 since constant baby monitoring during labor was made standard practice in the US--a practice that has been well-proven to cause more harm than good--but, hey, you get to bill for it and possibly a cesarean surgery as well.)
@teisendorf
@teisendorf 6 лет назад
Greed is the reason why prices have gone so much up. I remember about 10-12 yrs a go when the most expensive insurance from some employers was about $400 a month with like $500 single or $1000 family deductible and was covering lot of services at 100% rate and now those insurance offers do not exist anymore with those employers. I had to turn down the insurance from my company because it would cost $500 a month with $6000 deductible and even after deductible it covers only 70% of services done and only if you stay in their network,so if i get sick or require medical procedure and i happen to be somewhere else other than my state those numbers are even more ridiculous. Shame on them,insurance companies,hospitals and US government for not regulating those prices
@secxybear6629
@secxybear6629 5 лет назад
Me: Why are healthcare prices so high in the US? Google: 1000 articles explaining that American healthcare is so expensive because they have high prices. No shit google. What is causing the high prices? Anyone have any useful source on this?
@charitymonae5608
@charitymonae5608 4 года назад
I would assume its the cost of drugs/prescriptions, the cost of the medical equipment and supplies(Maybe thats ridiculously high). Maybe the manufacturing of those things are ridiculously costly. Also, the salaries of the doctors, nurses, specialists, etc maybe. Its probably a collective cost. Im not sure what role health insurance companies play in all of this either.
@charitymonae5608
@charitymonae5608 3 года назад
@cb350f I just learned how hospitals in the US are compensated. Some federally mandated government institution, estimates the cost of the average patient visit through use of previous data of the costs, statistics, adjustments for locations(difference of cost per state), also depending on the type of visit or diagnosis(diabetes, heart-attack). Then the government through medicaid or medicare, or private insurance companies, have to reimburse the hospitals and physicians for the costs incurred of caring for these patients. For example, federally mandated institution says they will only cover/reimburse hospitals/private doctors, $5000 for a patient who has a heart attack and needs to stay in the hospital. If that covers 3 days of the cost to take care of the patient, the goal of the hospital is to get the patient out within 3 days or less because any days they stay longer than that, is not reimbursed to the hospitals/doctors. They incur those costs apparently. Also, if they get the patient out of the hospital within 2 days, they still are reimbursed for 3 days. So they may not be advising the patients properly and telling them whatever they need to get them out asap in order to remain profitable.
@FiddlerForest
@FiddlerForest 6 лет назад
Has any study attempted to see if there is a correlation between the rate and amount in which insurance companies pay out and the rise in prices? I have seen anecdotal evidence from Surgeons and Doctors that for certain procedures, insurance companies pay out so rarely that the few times they do has to cover the times they don't. To keep costs covered the hospitals have had to raise rates. Also since you decided to attach the providers over the pricing, did you look at reports on hospital's margins? Are they cash cows or are they sinking ships?
@steveh46
@steveh46 6 лет назад
The American system is based on some bedrock beliefs that drive costs up: It's always better to do something than it is to do nothing and expensive care is always better than cheaper care. Neither of these is true. It's often better to do nothing and cheaper care is often as good or better than the most expensive care. If we can accept that reality, and impose price controls, American health care would be cheaper and better.
@ExPwner
@ExPwner 6 лет назад
Price controls don't work. Econ 101.
@steveh46
@steveh46 6 лет назад
Sometimes you need to get pass the intro course and actually find out how health care markets work in the real world James.
@ExPwner
@ExPwner 4 года назад
@Atharv Relekar actually no, it's not, because people can and do change providers, insurance or even forgo care if the price is too high. Additionally, there absolutely is an increase in usage when the price decreases (such as "free" care). You'd have to be crazy to suggest that people don't use "free" stuff more than that which they pay out of pocket. This is just basic economics and behavioral science. Government is just as much of a "middle man" as insurance. Insurance profits are $35B out of a total healthcare spending of over $3T, so that's just wrong. No, price controls don't work. They create shortages.
@ExPwner
@ExPwner 4 года назад
@@steveh46 healthcare in the real world isn't an exception.
@steveh46
@steveh46 4 года назад
@@ExPwner Thanks for replying after 2 years!! You can examine what econ 101 theory says will happen and compare it to what happens in reality or you can just stop at looking at the theory. Apparently you're not familiar with the scientific method.
@TheIronKurtin
@TheIronKurtin 5 лет назад
I know quite a few medical techs in various diagnostics fields. I asked one, "How many of the scans that you perform would you consider medically necessary? He said, "Less than 40%", going on to explain the private practice was deliberately milking the insurance companies for higher earnings and to pay for the high dollar equipment his practice purchased related to the scans. Conflict of Interest at its finest.
@SandfordSmythe
@SandfordSmythe 3 года назад
Bingo!
@kathyfausett9301
@kathyfausett9301 6 лет назад
Considering the fact that health outcomes in America rank 51st among industrialized countries, I'd say this corporation is headed for bankruptcy. You didn't mention the fact that hospitals negotiate prices with third-party payers, and with a 50% reduction in fees, hospitals raise their prices by 50%. This might account for some of the increase. The fact that a third party has their hand out in each healthcare encounter might also play a role.
@ZeroCreativity1
@ZeroCreativity1 6 лет назад
Is there evidence to suggest that a significant amount of higher medical prices are due factors other than just cost disease?
@falkkiwiben
@falkkiwiben 6 лет назад
Could you please make the red text on the thumbnail not go to the bottom in the future? Looks like I have already watched three-quarters of the video.
@TheSurrealist.
@TheSurrealist. 4 года назад
“You’re not entitled to other people’s labor!” *But when you call the cops or the fire department you expect them to show up.* “I don’t want to pay for other people’s healthcare!” *But you’re fine paying for roads, schools, libraries, and social security?* “Everything should be privatized! We shouldn’t even be entitled to the services of the police!” *If we had to pay for police services out of pocket there would be chaos. Those who couldn’t afford to call the cops would be preyed upon. I didn’t know you were ok with rampant chaos and private police.*
@Erakius323
@Erakius323 4 года назад
The Surrealist This. People who say it’s not right to force doctors to work for the government. Ok then, disband your local police department, cut taxes, and set up a system of private security firms. You better be responsible and get insurance or the next time some random guy decides to mug you, your cries for help will be ignored. At least this way no one has to pay for anyone else’s security! What a wonderful world that would be.... 😂
@TheSurrealist.
@TheSurrealist. 4 года назад
Master Erakius I think this is a fact conservatives just don’t want to accept. Some jobs in society are essential and anyone who pays taxes is entitled to those services. We pay taxes, and then pay those essential workers with our tax money. Conservatives can bellyache all day long about how “ no one is entitled to anyone’s labor” but what the alternative? “Private” services that would only be available to those who can pay? Where does that leave the rest of us who are falling on hard times. I don’t know. Conservatives have such a heartless mindset. It’s all about “I gots mine fuck the rest of you” but at this point wouldn’t it make more sense to help one another? So what if you’re paying for someone else’s healthcare? Yours is being paid for too! For a bunch of peoples who claim to follow a religion of giving and kindness conservatives tend to be so greedy and uncaring.
@Erakius323
@Erakius323 4 года назад
The Surrealist It does strike me as such a strange view. They are fine with privatised healthcare but why not privatise all public services then? No police protection unless you are rich. Also, they argue for the free market, for competition. Ok then, don’t bother to regulate doctors then. Don’t require Doctors to be licensed medial practitioners. Go full Bioshock. But they don’t want to do that. Yet they always argue for deregulation as being, inherently good. Bizarre. And maybe that’s an American thing. In the U.K, Conservatives don’t claim to be charitable. Never heard that line. Must be an American Conservative talking point. And they always like to argue in favour of fiscal responsibility. Yet the American healthcare system is the most expensive, and one of the worst, of a developed country. Surly that would want to reform it to save America money? If they are so big on fiscal responsibility?
@TheSurrealist.
@TheSurrealist. 4 года назад
Master Erakius Yeah in America they all follow a religion that claims to be charitable but they’re all mostly very greedy. Politicians will push for more religious based legislation which is ironic because they don’t follow the rules of the religion they claim to be a part of. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an instance of “the free market” working anywhere and isn’t the fact that China has a lack or regulation what helped the emergence of COVID-19? They don’t have strict health regulations like most countries and so their wet markets allow for them to sell disease ridden animals as food. Trump wants to deregulate the meat industry and seeing as how we are in the middle of a pandemic I don’t know who would support less health regulations on meat?? Dude, idk. This country is fucked and the people here are blind to how it works. Mostly the youth population are the ones who are the most aware. The older generation already made their money and have access to healthcare. They’re so out of touch to what’s going on.
@Erakius323
@Erakius323 4 года назад
The Surrealist It is bizarre. America is a bizarre mix of capitalism, and socialism. It lacks the benefits of capitalism, and lacks the benefits of socialism. Most of Europe is firmly on the Socialist end of the spectrum, with things like public health care. A truly capitalist system would be something like Rapture from Bioshock. I am surprised America has not just gone full madness yet.
@poolmanbrown6459
@poolmanbrown6459 4 года назад
I love you
@Spiritfba
@Spiritfba 3 года назад
The next time I have to go to the ER (because I can't afford to pay a doctor), I'm not bringing any ID and I'm using a false name and address. I figure the $3k I spent last time for an xray and ibuprofen should cover at least a few future visits.
@aethylwulfeiii6502
@aethylwulfeiii6502 6 месяцев назад
The lifestyle in the USA is vastly different from Western Europe. Americans are completely sedentary. Their diets are different. Americans drive automobiles for trips less than 800 meters.
@Apathetish
@Apathetish 6 лет назад
My dad is always telling me that health care is more expensive in the US because we have the ‘best’ health care. Meaning the quality of care and the innovation are better here than in countries where there is universal health care because Dr.’s are not incentivize in other countries to innovate or make better treatments for things. Is there any truth to that?
@muemelification
@muemelification 6 лет назад
Apathetish The best system would produce the best outcome for the patients and the US system doesn‘t do that by any markers that I know of, sorry.
@steveh46
@steveh46 6 лет назад
Quality of care in the US is not particularly good.As one review put it: "the evidence for American superiority in quality of care (or lack thereof) is a mixed bag, with the nation doing relatively well in some areas-such as cancer care-and less well in others-such as mortality from treatable and preventable conditions." www.rwjf.org/en/library/research/2009/08/how-does-the-quality-of-u-s--health-care-compare-internationally.html Or, as Dr. Carroll himself has said, "If we’re going to spend way more than any other country on health care, then we should absolutely, positively have the best health care system in the world. We don’t... With the exception of available technology, we do not rate well against comparable countries. And that’s the take home message. We can argue about which metric is best to describe the quality of a health care system, but it almost doesn’t matter what you pick. Don’t like population statistics? Fine. Choose another. But unless you think the only important thing is how many MRI machines are available, we’re still going to look bad. Not only does the system not perform up to snuff, but pretty much every stakeholder I discussed agreed that it’s not good." theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/how-do-we-rate-the-quality-of-the-us-health-care-system-conclusion/ Or, to put it more bluntly: "The American health care system sucks. We spend about twice as much money per person as our peer countries to achieve roughly the same health care outcomes - and despite all that spending, 48 million people in America lack health insurance coverage." theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/quote-best-in-the-world-my-ass/
@Boris80b
@Boris80b 6 лет назад
muemelification is exactly right. Even with the best outcomes, the costs wouldn't be justified. This is even more true because the US does not have the best outcomes.
@johnnyzeee5215
@johnnyzeee5215 4 года назад
The largest driver of health- care costs at point- of - service is a rather small percentage of the population over- using a large percentage of the services and procedures.
@Always_Pistachio
@Always_Pistachio 4 года назад
It is true that end of life care is much overutilized. Hospitals also get stuck with the cost of care for the uninsured that needs to be made up elsewhere. Fear of being sued leads to ridiculous amounts of needless tests and specialist consultations (way more than other developed nations).
@brianthompson9592
@brianthompson9592 6 лет назад
Interesting video, but again it misses why prices have risen so high. Where I lived we have a county hospital. In its annual report is breaks down revenue by source and patient type, Medicare / Medicaid , private insurance or cash payer. This hospital gets 70% of its revenue from only 42% from one source. 24% of revenue comes 52% of the patients and the remaining 6% comes from just 6% of patients. It's fairly obvious that 6% are paying cash. Between Medicare/ Medicaid or private insurance which is the main source of revenue? It's Medicare/Medicaid. On top of that the hospital provided nearly 267 million in free charity care and still managed a 50 million profit. What has driven cost is that Medicare Medicaid have gone from paying pennies on the dollar to actually determining all reimbursements. The problem is that those reimbursements are exceeding actually cost of care. For example, Medicare states that a c section should be reimbursed at 14k. My private insurance negiotated rate was 31% of the Medicare approved amount. Every seen those back and knee brace commercials for seniors on TV? Medicare will reimburse those company's over $1200 for it while private insurance less than $280. So unless your willing to reform Medicare and Medicaid, healthcare will continue to increase in cost
@drsittler
@drsittler 6 лет назад
Please consider discussing the Ketogenic Diet.
@connorlynch3474
@connorlynch3474 6 лет назад
I think he talks about it briefly in episode two of the Healthcare Triage podcast, if Aaron doesn't give you your fix with a full video :P
@workwillfreeyou
@workwillfreeyou 6 лет назад
Its The Corruption.
@maxcoseti
@maxcoseti 6 лет назад
And in other news, water is wet
@NateLVBrown
@NateLVBrown 6 лет назад
20 seconds into First time watching Channel....... “No surprise to those who regularly watch Healthcare Triage.....” 😬
@hananc
@hananc 6 лет назад
Replace "prices" with "charges". Price is just a number. Charge points to the process the price was set - who is requesting the price and how they do it.
@christianlibertarian5488
@christianlibertarian5488 4 года назад
There are two things that can bring down prices, and only two. Increased supply, or decreased demand. Everyone in healthcare knows this, and does whatever is possible to limit supply (from other people) and maximize demand. Government contributes by adding regulations, or monopolies sometimes, to further limit supply. State governments especially limit supply by imposing huge regulations on insurance companies. The only solution to the rising cost of care is to pay attention to these issues. You can personally contribute by shopping for outpatient services.
@SandfordSmythe
@SandfordSmythe 2 года назад
And doctors can easily create demand.
@scott7008
@scott7008 4 года назад
HEALTH CARE : Europe vs America WHATS IN IT FOR THE GOVERNMENTs and THE PATIENTS and why EUROPE WINS European system costs 11% of GDP against 19% in the USA EU HEALTH CARE IS ALL INCLUDED THE USA NOT & WHY SO COMPLICATED??? USA life expectancy is 42th in the world on the world ratings. WHATS IN IT FOR THE EU PATIENT? If you pay taxes, as an individual, and contribute to the central government “POT” (the community POT of money). You are covered for all treatment, hospital costs, surgery, drugs, implants, chemo, post op therapies, cost of prescribed drugs, specialist and normal GP doctors bills, specialist bills etc etc. (There are some small exceptions.) You dont have to look at the small print of coverage. Its all included, pocket your credit card.. you dont need it. You dont have to pay in advance NO Paperwork The system is rated as better than the American system as nobody is excluded and the system covers 99% of all patient needs. THE EUROPEAN SYSTEM: HOW IT WORKS: All european health systems are government run and are simple systems . It is a central, run by the govenment covering all healthcare needs for the population and is non profit , universal, and also internationally recognised between all EU countries. The EU underlying system is through fiscal residency of a person, (ie you pay into the employment tax system of the country you live and into health system, if you are registered or unemployed you are covered) Simply put, each person pays into the THE GOVENMENT POT as a % of individual pay packet contributions where you are employed Importantly even if you are unemployed, but registered, you control illegal immigration. Illegals get no benefits, unless humanitarian emergency. Importantly you are still covered. you as a patient get equal rights and coverage across Europe. The EU system is state run, and covers everyone, from birth to death and costs half of the USA system. Therefore in the USA a % of the health cost is based on profit to be paid out in dividends. Additionallly not all people in the USA are covered, (approximately 15%) Its a Bum deal for Americans. It costs 8-9% of GDP more than Europe HOW IT IS MANAGED: In America USA, the health system is profit run for the most part and privately handled. Patient care is secondary to profit for 50% of coverage. The European state (country) is the employer of all health staff, doctors, nurses, etc. Central government then covers the hospitals costs through a system which keeps the hospitals covered for the expenses of each patient. If we compare the EU to the USA structure in terms of cost to GDP, Europe average 11% of GDP to the USA 20% of GDP, (2019) with the EU at 99% coverage and with improved life expectancy rate, compared to the USA. Central Government in each country collects the money through the taxes you pay as a citizen, and redistributes it (generally) to regions ,hospitals, and doctors etc which then distributes the funds to the health system used by the patient. The Government also allows the private sector to operate under the public system, to build hospitals, run them privately. Each country allows this in different rules, like Germany/UK/France etc. They are then licence them to operate by the government. But importantly, the patient who pays to the state contributions through his salary, has equal rights to access all hospitals. 10-15 % of the EU health system is private If you wish to pay an additional supplement to the state system, you are allowed to do this into to the private scheme on top of your mandatory state payments so you get private health care coverage. But you cannot opt out of the central system or add to it. Most of people dont have the means or desire to pay private insurance policies. So the state system is better for them. WHATS THE BENEFIT Basically the EU system covers 99% of people and costs the half of the USA system. In addition to this, with the EU system, if you pay contributions to the health system in the UK or France, you can have full medical care in other countries , Germany, Italy, Hungary or any other of the 27 states etc. If you lose your job, you will still be covered. you just pay less to the system as unemployment reimbusement to you is less, so you pay less, but the more you earn at work, the more you contribute to the central system. Its based on % of earnings. These European systems are based on the old and original UK system, The National Health Service, abbreviated to NHS, was launched by the then Minister of Health in Attlee's post-war government, Aneurin Bevan, at the Park Hospital in Manchester. Aneurin Bevan, Minister of Health, on the first day of the National Health Service, 5 July 1948 at Park Hospital, Davyhulme, near Manchester. THE REAL ISSUE 1. EU Health is non political, non profit, more efficient and cheaper that the USA system, 2. BETTER in many ways, as the patient is first, and health has no “profit COST”. 3. It reduces the cost to the Government. (11% against the USA 20% per year GDP) 4. Its not fragmented. Its coverage is national, and for all. 5. If you are REGISTERED as a TAX payer, you have no problems. 6. If you are clandestine, then you get some emergency humanitarian services only. Thus the authorities know who you are and send you home after. Thanks for the comments!!!!
@suchnothing
@suchnothing 6 лет назад
Y'all are getting robbed.
@suchnothing
@suchnothing 6 лет назад
I call BS on higher prices leading to better innovation. Canada does a ton of leading medical research through it's (mostly publicly funded) universities, and budget constraints on healthcare facilities from the single-payer system force administrative innovations as well.
@ExPwner
@ExPwner 6 лет назад
I think you're on the right track by looking for the cause of higher spending. So what makes prices higher? Let's see if there is mention of reliance upon third party payers or restrictions on supply or even discussion of IP law....nope. I'm quite disappointed that you instead immediately turn to price fixing. I realize that economics isn't your strong suit, but c'mon dude....as a doctor you should be looking to treat the cause and not the symptoms. Not only that but the evidence consistently shows that price controls don't work. They always come with unintended consequences.
@zihui1234567
@zihui1234567 6 лет назад
James Adams could you elaborate on what you think may have been the main causes of the high prices, thanks.
@specialtramp
@specialtramp 6 лет назад
Medicare had price controls. So does the VA. So do every other rich country. The only rich country *without* price controls for health care is the US. Please describe how price controls have failed in health care, citing specific historical or current examples.
@robertjarman3703
@robertjarman3703 6 лет назад
Price controls are less of the solution. It's more so that it's a single payer, which is the same reason as why a trade union can negotiate better than individuals can.
@ExPwner
@ExPwner 6 лет назад
@zihui1234567, as I mentioned above, part of this is due to third party payers. As consumers have paid less over time, our prices have gone up. See: lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2kI_FYg-ZVc/TWwzXXlbtWI/AAAAAAAAEvY/_Mm2ZJKoReg/s1600/Third+Party+Payer.jpg Other factors include restrictions on supply such as certificates of need with our hospitals or the restrictions on licensing within the medical profession by the AMA. With an aging population, one would expect more doctors and hospitals, but these are clearly not keeping up due to restrictions. One of the biggest is IP law which impacts the price of drugs. HT has had multiple segments on things like orphan drugs and such, but he makes no real statement against these protections. We simply don't need artificial protections against competition in the drug market, but clinging to them means more expensive medicine.
@ExPwner
@ExPwner 6 лет назад
@specialtramp, price controls fail in one of two big ways. In the US, we see underpayment by Medicare and Medicaid. I'm not talking about "negotiating a better price" but actually just not making up for the cost of care in the first place. In the US system, this deficit is made up by private parties such as private insurers and paying customers. We need to be very clear here: *government "negotiation" jacks up the prices just as insurance companies "negotiating" prices does, but on a larger scale.* There is no such thing as a free lunch. We see it in higher prices. Those other rich countries have healthcare shortages and waiting lines. You can try to downplay them all you like, but that doesn't make them any less real. Price controls create shortages. Always. This is basic economics and cannot be avoided.
@archiehung6361
@archiehung6361 6 лет назад
Solution in a word: capitalism
@tristanholderness4223
@tristanholderness4223 6 лет назад
in a word, capitalism
@tristanholderness4223
@tristanholderness4223 6 лет назад
which is a natural result of capitalism
@goddessoflove4ever
@goddessoflove4ever 6 лет назад
tristan roberts it really isn't
@Rickmakes
@Rickmakes 6 лет назад
The health care industry is highly regulated. Prices aren't set by the market. It can be difficult to even find the price of a service.
@tristanholderness4223
@tristanholderness4223 6 лет назад
do tell me what capitalism does to discourage or prevent price gouging. Because it certainly provides incentives
@goddessoflove4ever
@goddessoflove4ever 6 лет назад
tristan roberts competition. In true capitalism competition from other businesses prevent it. Competition is an integral part of capitalism.
@stockyphilb7663
@stockyphilb7663 6 лет назад
Why does being healthy have a cost in the US? Were people healthy before modern healthcare? How do you stay healthy without accruing debt? These questions are rhetorical. "Good health" costs because we destroy the clean food, water, and air we have for free, at a cost..
@qb4428
@qb4428 6 лет назад
I hope to see you mention that price controls have failed in many states like Maryland and that price controls in foreign countries leave Americans to subsidize the difference. Furthermore, I hope to see mention of incentives of third party payers causing price increases. A $20 flu shot with cash turns into a $400+ insurance charge. I'll see if this episode is economically literate. reason.com/archives/2013/03/20/why-price-controls-wont-fix-american-hea#comment
@qb4428
@qb4428 6 лет назад
Okay, overall, good video. Nice, albeit could have gone further in depth and shown market solutions like cash-based practices.
@sonicpsycho13
@sonicpsycho13 6 лет назад
And your source is a libertarian ideological website that is well-known to cherry-pick anything that supports its pre-established conclusions.
@qb4428
@qb4428 6 лет назад
The sources are in the article, and I don't see you providing any argument. Hell, I assume you'd have no problem if I cited WaPo or the NYT.
@merrymachiavelli2041
@merrymachiavelli2041 6 лет назад
By 'subsidise the difference' I assume you mean in innovation - that America is creating new drugs/medical innovation for the rest of the world at the American patient's expense. There has actually been a study looking at that exact question: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866602/ The study found that it isn't the case, of the drugs they looked at 36% had been developed in the US, 10.4% had been developed in the UK. Given the relative size of the British population and GDP, this shows the UK is contributing disproportionately more drug development, despite price controls on drugs. More broadly, it was a bit of a mixed bag - the Netherlands contributes more, Japan and Italy less. But overall, they did not find the US to be disproportionately innovative. One of the reasons the study points to is that a higher proportion of profits are re-invested in drug development in some European countries. Personally, I also suspect the university and higher education sector also has a role - it makes sense to me that you'd get more new drugs developed in countries with good universities. Also, as a caution, the study emphasises that drug development is so international, that it can be difficult to pin down where exactly a drug should be considered as originating from.
@sonicpsycho13
@sonicpsycho13 6 лет назад
Q B, and the article's sources are a couple blogs and a study's abstract that essentially says "results are inconclusive and further study is needed". Maybe if you actually cited studies from credible sources and not blogs dedicated to confirmation bias.
@jasoncorn4889
@jasoncorn4889 6 лет назад
Democrats and socialists that's what happened.... #MakeAmericaGreatAgain where is ronald when you want him??
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