Why does Ukraine want tanks? | The Tank Museum 

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Very good, and recognizes the nuance. You mentioned the command/control aspect. Be interesting to hear a discussion on how that evolved from, say, 7 Years War or Napoleon to now.

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La Russia è stata costretta ad intervenire in Ucraina; l'Ucraina è fondamentalmente persa .

You'll know if you're getting somewhere when you trigger the bot farms to respond. Video is excellent and informed, and unlike the derp commenting "unsubbed" I think it's balanced and apolitical, just stating facts devoid of propaganda.

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Also that's all he talks about.

Lol

@easystreets70 Because Russia is a parasite nation with a megalomaniac leader who is Hell bent on pulling independent nations back into a new Russian empire that they don't want to be a part of, & who is trying to ethnically cleanse Russia of its minorities by over-emphasising their conscription into his army as fodder for his illegal invasion.

*WORD!*

When you get him down to half health David Fletcher and his glorious mustache jump in to tag team you.

Literally admits he won't say anything that would give succor to Russians or undermine Ukrainian confidence. While I understand the sentiment, it's still an open admission that fact based discussion isn't a priority regardless of what may come of it. Fog of war is being maintained, not parted.

nah he's the fake out final boss to the real final boss David Fletcher, all 4 feet of him

There is no indication that this is one take. He's literally not even on screen for minutes at a time. Easily could be cut together. I mean there is a clear cut at 1:22 at the end of the intro. So "one take" is not accurate.

@@JarthenGreenmeadow ok ok calm down. I will just say that this guy knows more about tanks than you.

I came

Your gratitude and compliments wer😂e so over-the-top that they felt sarcastic. It made me expect a twist at the end but it never came lol

@@nelsonw.9483 I had probably had to much wine at this point.

Yeah I like how he is balanced in it. Especially at the end. Tanks are not invulnerable. What tank is he standing by? Armata is garbage. Finally even the Russians admit it. Thpught it was a brilliant idea until I read that the entire platform was based off an engine with a "I fix ya later by the time other systems are in place".

Unbiased? Hmmm.

that's all I needed, cope cage is now the official technical term from here on out

It's kinda unprofessional, considering what they are actually supposed to do (stop old conventional HEAT rockets like RPG-7, RPG-16 and even RPG-22), and what they face (literally the Best anti tank weaponry on Earth). It's like saying the Schurzen was ineffective because Bazooka and HEAT could go through it: the Schurzen was designed to protect against anti tank rifles

It's actually not a bad idea per se considering how many videos are there of commercial drones dropping mortar shells on top of tanks. There needs to be a defense against it and today not even most modern Western tanks have it. So B- for effort

@@alessiobubbles5345 You must be fun at parties...

​@@phunkracy I'd say B because of the psychological side of things: just like the sandbags on the front of American tanks in Normandy

It's stupid propaganda for feeble minded teens. Cages are against RGD-3 type anti-tank shaped charge grenades that Ukronazis are dropping drones.

What a world we live in.

Especially with that almost comical illustration of that pathetic cope cage fitted tank wreck.

Cope cages is just another twist version of Hillbilly armor. I think it been around since Vietnam.

@@Benz2533 it was used in ww2. They even used concrete!

Definitely

he was spewing propaganda

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World of Tanks is a huge sponsor of the Bovington Tank Musueum...

@@fred6319 Don't you have Ukrainian soil to fertilise? I hear Wagner's hiring… _“We have finished off the Russian professional army. Now it’s time to finish off the amateur one.”_ -Anton Gerashchenko 🟦 Слава Україні! - Glory to Ukraine! 🟨 Героям слава! - Glory to heroes!

FACTS Russia had been reducing the size of their armed forces we know these units were short on manpower it was a show of force admittedly a bad idea they won't repeat. Javelin and Stinger have been a failure Ukrainians report at least half failed to fire or explode. US military reports show even TRAINED US troops only manage hits 19% of the time with Javlin not destruction just a hit. The NLAW has been shown as near useless often failing much like the Brimstone missile declared near useless by the UK. A trick of the Ukrainians is to film the same vehicle from multiple angles claiming every view is a new vehicle destroyed you would know this unfortunately your subject to UK propaganda by the JBC Israels mouthpiece in Europe. Other than that keep up the good work eventually Brits will realise they have been hoodwinked into supporting Nazis guessing you had no idea Britain created Right Sector 1 and 2 using UK Nazis and America created AZOV using US Nazis who have admitted it. Theres ADIR and many other NAZI groups hundreds of thousands who also admitted the UKRAINE Government told them to execute and commit atrocious against Russian soldiers as propaganda. ZZelinsky will no doubt get a neck tie for war crimes as will most of his government and military officials that survive. Your Parents Grandparents and Churchill must be so proud of how Britain now ruled by the TRIBE supports their dreaded enemies Nazis and how docile the SERFS in the UK are about it.

FYI Ukrainians are dyinflg like flies it's almost over the reason for the panic in Europe

The only insight that has not been clearly acknowledged is that Russia grabbed exactly what it really wanted in the first 3 months of the war,,All this talk about taking over Ukraine is a total media fantasy, Like the Russians want a Nationalist Western backed insurgency for the next 50 years, instead there is a sizable pro-Russian ethnic group in the occupied areas, Now it is just a war of attrition to a settlement while the world suffers for it. About that simple.

too true man, propaganda is flipping everywhere every side pushing it out, i hope we (America) doesn’t give them old outdated versions of the M1 Abrams,i can’t find out why they refuse to give any tank with D.U. armor inserts.

Except that it's mostly propaganda too.

@easystreets70 and you are an apologist for a disgusting regime led by Putin that is destroying the lives and efforts of generations. Putin is the real Russian hater.

Ukraine can’t win this war. It’s mass delusion. Better for Ukraine to talk peace.

We are now a year into The New (Next) Cold War.

​@easystreets70 He's quite clearly telling people to be careful underestimating the Russian army. That's not really something you'd hear from a Russia-hater.

The way we kill each other may change, but one thing that this war is confirming is at the end of the day Artillery is still king and an individual in a hole is (still) extremely hard to kill.

The whole situation may be chilling for some in the eastern sphere... For me on the other side, seeing his rotting dead corpse, or bits of it would be a very pleasant view indeed.

@Piotr Szymon Sułkowski While I understand your viewpoint, I was trying to take a more elevated view with regard to general humanity/empathy.

Artillery lends dignity to what otherwise would be a vulgar F&#%$@g brawl! Of course, during the 70s ya heard all kinds of them from units serving in NATO.

@@lenmaclean3815 there is no dignity in war.

Absolutely.

Exactly. One the best overviews of the war i have seen

Yeah....right 🙄

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Extremely informative. Thanks!

It also undermines his credibility as saying "Cope Cages" indicates that he's unaware of the long history of improvised armor, including in NATO militaries (i.e. steel plates on the sides of Humvees, slat armor on the sides of Strykers, etc..), and how it's not supposed to address top-down ATGM's, but also building-fired RPG's, drone-dropped grenades, and more. But he subsequently admitted that the Tank Museum is acting as a propaganda outlet for Ukraine.

Cope cage gaming

That's what the audience knows them as.

Cope Cage is canon now

I agree. This is fascinating stuff!

I love it!

Partly due to limited resources on ukraine's side. And... idiot high command on russian.

Except for, you know, the Russians who are, you know, winning and are going to end this conflict on their own terms? Seriously, when the Russians end this, will you guys stop the downplay? It's sad. Like the Ukrainians still trying to hold onto Bakhmut.

Such a disgusting armchair general inverting reality to avoid the obvious conclusion that even if what you said was true, the Russians obviously have a better grasp of combined arms since they're, you know, winning. And yeah, try making a breakthrough with tanks against fortified positions against any number of the threats modern tanks face when those very same maneuvers depend on an element of surprise very rare on the modern battlefield where everything from drones to satellites can track large, concentrated vehicle movements and send it to people to plug up the gap. Idiots like you and the abk museums just do not get it for the life of you: any modern conventional war between two competent and comparable forces is quickly going to resemble more WW1 style trench warfare or the mid to later stages of WW's eastern front than operation Barbarossa in which case maneuver is fundamentally less important and less harnessable by either side than firepower and attrition. I would honestly love to see any western armed force in either the position of the Russ or Ukies try blitzkrieg on the steppes of Ukraine and see how far they get and what losses they take and how quickly.

I think you are right, but is it fair to say that about Ukraine? I’m not sure they have enough armour to expend, the way an army needs when on the offensive. I think if they used up all their armour for one big push, they would be in a weaker position. So I wonder if by the end of summer and they get their new tanks, that this would still apply.

@@MyDogmatix Why would a neutral (if not entirely accurate) description of the use of tanks in attacks be "unfair" to Ukraine?

@easystreets70 I feel so sorry for you

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He literally said out loud he wasn't going to be objective lol

David is not a shameless propagandist, and I have a bridge for sale. Wanna buy?

@@Conserpov I think we can all see you are the shameless propagandist Tovarisch.

@@JosephKano Aww. Hillbilly is coping!

@@Conserpov LOL you're the one whining about it brah. Ooh ooh the nasty tank museum thinks my lil Putler is nasty. Get a room m8.

@@JosephKano You are hularioulsly pathetic. I bet you believe in Saddam's WMD and Ghost of Kiev

Took the words right out've my mouth.

Pro-Ukie propaganda like what he spits here is the exact opposite of all those things, tho.

@@VunderGuy 3 day special military operation

Have you not been paying attention? At 4:06 he says: "...and I would also say, because this is an ongoing war, we are not going to be saying things, that one may give sucker to the Russians or undermine Ukrainian confidence..." In other words: "This is going to be thoroughly one sided pro-Ukrainian propaganda."

4:10 to 4:28 objectivity? Think critically, man.

@@jamesmandahl444 In a way these comments here are eye-opening. This guy outright admits to being partial towards Ukraine, yet many people commend his objectivity in the comments. Very sad state of affairs...

​@@andreasferenczi7613 no one cares what Russians think except their bots and trolls. Go swill some more vodka Tovarisch.

@@jamesmandahl444 bot

Not even close. It's a propaganda speech with zero facts and sources.

@@BigSmartArmed Yup, definitely the propaganda of the aggressor knows better😄

@@illiafadieiev6937 Yes, US-NATO is the aggressor, that is committing war crimes not stop to reach a goal of dismembering Russia to loot its natural resources. And to genocide Slavs. If you don't get that, then you are the bad baddy, so you might as well start getting nazi tats for your coming out of the nazi closet party.

@@BigSmartArmed Mental illness is very sad, I hope you get better. I have heard that haloperidol is a fairly effective and affordable remedy for hallucinations, but it is best to consult a doctor

@@illiafadieiev6937 Oh, so you are a Psychiatrist that can make diagnoses for antipsychotic prescription, and you can do that on a bases of a single YT comment from an internet stranger. OK, so what is you medical degree and in which medical institution do you practice psychiatry? Other then that, you come off as a typical sociopath, so feel free to keep coming back for free face kicks, I'll play along until I'll get bored with you.

Do you mean "Suck together with Ukraine's nazism"?

You can! There are many videos with him on the channel

Have you not been paying attention? At 4:06 he says: "...and I would also say, because this is an ongoing war, we are not going to be saying things, that one may give sucker to the Russians or undermine Ukrainian confidence..." In other words: "This is going to be thoroughly one sided pro-Ukrainian propaganda."

@easystreets70 You're a spammer, why?

​@easystreets70 If I recall correctly it was Russia who invaded another country.

​@@easystreets70Because we like democratic souvereign countries fighting for their freedom, and hate fascists like hitler and putin. On a deeper level; we have a moral compass, which you seem to lack. Oh, and swapping Zelensky and Bandera together does not make any sense; it is just your ruzzian propaganda.

@easystreets70 If I recall correctly it was Russia who invaded another country

Better for Ukraine to talk peace than being used as canon fodder by US and NATO. Z is a puppet.

@@realnapster1522 So long as "peace" involves giving Putin what he wants there will be no peace, Ukraine fights for itself.

"Russian conscript morale" That there alone should tell you ALL you need to know. Because there ARE NO RUSSIAN CONSCRIPTS IN UKRAINE. None, zero, null. "and forget this is a finely balanced war" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Almost exactly a year ago now, i commented that Russia had won the war. Because that was bloody obvious to anyone bothering to look at unbiased information. Russia spent most of the war up until November outnumbered 3 to 1 or 2 to 1. And yet, even during their daring maneuverings in the first 2 months of the war, there was not even a single week that i could find any evidence that their advantage in killratio was ever worse than 3 to 1 in Russia's advantage. Right now, Russian KIAs are probably somewhere around 10 to 14 thousand. Ukraine KIAs are probably somewhere between 300 and 500 thousand. Russian POWs are less than 400, and that includes the ones tortured to death and videos of the deeds proudly uploaded online. While the number of Ukranians taken POWs amount to around 30 thousand. Russia is confirmed to have lost less than 30 aircraft, total number is probably less than 40. Ever since July, they fly 100-400 missions per day. On average, 0-2 missionkilled or lost aircraft per week. Ukraine is confirmed to have lost over 300, total number is very uncertain but probably over 400. Since May, they fly 0-5 missions per day and usually take 50-100% losses whenever they try to fly. Ukraine used to fire 4-6 thousand artillery per day. Now, they're running out, so closer to 3 thousand most days probably. Russia fires around 20 thousand artillery per day. Some days, much more, topping out close to 70 thousand at one point last summer. In comparison, USA used around 60 thousand TOTAL during its whole invasion of Iraq in the 90s. Russia has fired more SAMs than all of Nato together have ever used, maybe even more than all together have ever built. Russia has used more cruise missiles per month than Nato have used in any single conflict. And may in total have used more than USA has ever built. And Russia is still stocking up on its best weapons, in case the psychopaths in Washingon have Nato get involved directly. In the last year, they have also nearly double the number of Su-57s in active service, possibly more if their upgrading of prototypes to serial production versions have been completed. They delivered 300 brand new T-90s, latest model, in January, after they ramped up massproduction sometime in June last year, and hereafter they expect to produce up to around a thousand per year. How exactly is that "finely balanced"? Russia attacked with less than 1/3 of the numbers of troops of Ukraine, against the largest set of fortifications since the Maginot line and Ukraine had since 2014 been equipped with over 10 years worth of production of pretty much everything Nato could provide, most of which was used up or destroyed during the first 3 months. And yet Russia today achieves 10 to 1 killratios in their favor almost casually. During the Kherson offensive, that went up to something between 100-200 to 1. 55 thousand troops attacking 15 thousand, 12 thousand KIA were COUNTED as being left on the battlefields by the Ukrainians. Total number of KIAs probably 2-3 times that and the entire 55 thousand strong force essentially stopped existing after the "offensive". While Russian losses amounted to a few dozen. BALANCED?

@@DIREWOLFx75 nobody cares about your ridiculous wall of text, enjoy being on the losing side :D

@@Roger__Wilco LOSING side? Are you mentally deficient? Oh wait, i live in the EU so yeah, i guess i am on the losing side regardless how i would prefer not to be part of supporting nassiz of Ukraine and their massmurdering on the orders of Washington. But i guess you enjoy doing the Sieg heil and murdering people because they're the wrong sort...

@@DIREWOLFx75 You sound way to emotional in your gish gallops there to bother responding with anything beyond "lol"

@@DIREWOLFx75 lol

Their work is very mediocre and one-sided.

@@lama9940 LoL "one-sided", meanwhile David: The Russians actually did very well in some battles and underestimating them is dangerous.

@@Deathadder90 I mean that he don't tell about a huge number of problems in the Ukrainian army and exaggerates some of the problems in the Russian.

@@lama9940 He already mentioned why he wouldn't talk about too much bad stuff for the Ukrainians in the beginning. And I don't think he exaggerates too much about the Russians.

@@Deathadder90 Agree, but it's so difficult to be objective when you're being shelled by the Ukrainian army every day.

Exactly. Even if the troopers have barely any clue what they are doing, just having a voice prevents extreme stupidity attacks, and allows them to feel in their most desperate moments that, "yup I played a part calculating this, but boy are we bad at calculating",rather than, "my comanaders sent me to die" and fight on.

@@dtly50 the most successful attacks historically are where the commanders have taken the time to propagate the plans to all levels of the assault forces, to walk them through it, to engage them in feedback, and to take on board constructive criticism. Then we have the Russian way where they were told is was an exercise and to pack their parade uniforms. How successful was that?

@@JosephKano If the Russian army was less corrupt and more competent in general it may very well have worked with a good amount of deniabillity, due to the sheer difference in the original balance of power. As it was it weakened and confused the already rotting Russian army so much that the surprise attack ran out of steam and failed.

Ukrainians are still cannon fodder for US and UK. They are being fooled.

@@realnapster1522 The only fool's are the people who believe Putin isn't a Fascist

Reminds me of the Pink Floyd song Us & Them " The generals sat & the lines on the map, moved from side to side"...

😂 ok

"I also ask this because I read a story about a Russian attack where they seemed to hold their tanks back a bit and use them for fire support for the infantry attack, not as a forward, battering element of that attack." That just tells the world that you do not actually understand how tank doctrine was developed. As an example, one of the biggest failed attacks of Germany against France in 1940 happened because the German commander stupidly attacked tanks first and the French cadet unit defending punished them severely for it. You either use tanks as part of combined arms, OR you use them for exploitation. Sending tanks in up front, alone, is just begging for them to take casualties. Russia HAD to do that a number of times during the fighting because of the massive numerical superiority of the Ukraine military and their own lack of infantry(normally, in largescale warfare, conscripts would act as supporting infantry, but as the Russian leadership guaranteed that conscripts would not be used in Ukraine under any circumstances, their BTGs were like kampfgruppen on steroids, extremely powerful, but nowhere near the amount of infantry needed for most kind of fighting), but it's absolutely not how a skilled commander does it if they have a choice. Infantry is generally far superior at assaulting positions, as has been wellknown ever since WWI, but infantry does not have the mobility needed to exploit breakthroughs they create. For a short while in WWI and to a lesser degree WWII, the severe lack of light AT-weapons in common use meant tanks COULD be used to spearhead the acual attacks, but even then, this was usually not a good idea, because any cohesive unit would then direct their artillery on the tanks while they're busy trying to create a breakthrough, and artillery vs tanks, artillery wins as long as they cannot get too close.

@@DIREWOLFx75 Hi Direwolf, it's odd how you need to make big remarks about what I do or do not understand. Weird, but ok. The rest of the response I found interesting, thanks for that. Take care.

@@terraincognita3749 That's mostly because i've gotten so sick and tired of all the dehumanisation propaganda "Russians are incompetent evil bla bla bla" rubbish. Of course, the fact that i've also spent a lot of time over the years learning history, military history and development of military doctrines, it is always grating to see people waving myths around.

@@DIREWOLFx75 So you behave like a d-ck, you think you know it all, and you are curiously open-minded towards a brutal authoritarian regime. Got it. Have a good life.

@@terraincognita3749 I am most certainly not openminded towards the Ukraine regime. I refuse to support genocidal nassiz. Or do you consider it a healthy thing for a nation, to sit on government controlled TV, paid for by USA and NL, and discuss how many millions of people in Donbass needs to be "disposed of"? As a final solution. The answer to that question appears to vary between people from 1.5M to 3M out of the Donbass total of 4-5M. You can find some of them talking openly about the need for genocide on youtube videos. They're PROUD of it. Like how in January 2022, the nassiz regiments bragged online about how they had "a hundred thousand proud Aryan warriors ready to marsch!". And yes, far more often than not, i know more than the majority of other people. That tends to come with doing things like reading through 3 complete encyclopedias before age 14. No, i behave like me, someone who cares about the truth. Why don't you go to Rand corporation website, you know, 100% financed by USA government, run by the Kagan family, of which Victoria Nuland is part, which in 2019 published "Extending Russia", freely available on their site, in which they discuss how to best destroy Russia by forcing them to start a war with Ukraine. Or go look up the comments in the last 6 months by Merkel, Macron, Hollande, Porosjenko, about how proud they are for tricking those dumb Russians with the Minsk treaties that were nothing but a ruse to give time to militarise Ukraine in preparation for their war with Russia. Or why don't you go listen to the few minutes of leaked phone conversation between Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador in Kiev from 2014. TWO WEEKS BEFORE the USA coup against the democratically elected president, who at the time just happened to be the most popular president ever in Ukraine. During the conversation Nuland decides who is going to be in charge after the coup. And lo and behold, "Yats is my man" Yatseniuk ends up in charge, amazing. Or hey, why don't you look up what Zelensky did during the Munich conference in 2022? You know, bragging about getting nukes and how that solve ALL their "eastern problems". What about looking up all broken promises to Russia. Including the one Biden gave Putin December 31st 2021. About no nukes in Ukraine. And then less than 2 months later, pretended it never happened. You know, like the guarantee Nato gave the USSR about "not one inch east". And then quickly broke their promise, just like we've been busy breaking treaties with Russia. Never mind all the constant propaganda lies. Maybe you should try knowing reality before try to look cool.

Brings back the memories of winter war against Finland by the USSR 🙂🤷

"Thank God that they are so f'ing stupid" - Ukrainian trooper last year

That's... a well balanced plaque that details the situation very well.

@@JosephKano Only thing I'd question is the "modern anti tank weapons" part. Stingers are pretty old tech at this point.

@@Saufs0ldat you mean javelin? and javelins aren't really that old as far as weapons go, though I suppose they are old compared to some other infantry portable weapons. But the way I see it they were just ahead of their time then.

@@lordcirrhosisofliver Yeah, sorry. Javelins are not state of the art, especially compared to stuff like NLAWs and they're certainly something that Russia has known about for a very long time.

@@Saufs0ldat NLAW is newer then javelin, but they are far worse at longer ranges.

He pretty much repeated the information from ISW, that is highly one-sided in favor of Ukraine. All the time, he explains how amazing the Ukrainians fight, but forgot to mention the small detail of Ukraine losing the war. He is talking about the old outdated doctrine Russians use and new-modern western doctrine Ukraine adopted....but well, Ukrainians still losing the war. So maybe the doctrine is not so good? Pretty much every claim he made is contradicted by the reality on the ground. You could see this video as a satire to Russia/Ukrainian war.

@@A.B.5KRVw Still peddling lies I see, Ukraine is not losing the war and at the current moment neither is Russia.