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Why Doesn't God Make It Obvious? 

Brian Holdsworth
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A common refrain you will hear against belief in God’s existence, according to Christianity, goes something like this: If my salvation depends on belief or faith in God, and is therefore extremely important to him, he would obviously want me to believe in him. And the thing is, he could make himself easily known to me. He could simply appear, speak to me, or perform some other kind of definitive sign to let me know that he at least exists. If he’s all powerful, such a performance would be effortless for him. But he doesn’t do that. So he either can’t, is indifferent towards my belief, or he’s not there. None of those conclusions is compatible with the Christian notion of God.
You’ll often hear atheists recite an argument like this, known as the argument from divine hiddenness. Although, I have heard some atheistic standard bearers, like Richard Dawkins, Peter Boggohsian, and Peter Atkins admit that there is no evidence that could possibly convince them that God exists - even if God wrote a message to them in the stars, they would have to conclude that they had gone insane.
In other words, their problem isn’t that there is no evidence, their problem is that they won’t admit any possible evidence that God doesn’t exist - for them this is about a devotion to a system of faith in certain enlightenment era presuppositions, not evidence.
#divinehiddenness #atheismvstheism #theismdebate
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@Tttb95
@Tttb95 5 месяцев назад
Luke 16:31- ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’
@hubertcumberdale6221
@hubertcumberdale6221 5 месяцев назад
The Quran says that those who don't believe in Allah wouldn't do so if angels descended from heaven, is that correct? Islam and Christianity can't both be right.
@Tttb95
@Tttb95 5 месяцев назад
@@hubertcumberdale6221 Mohammed is a false prophet. Divine Revelation ended after John.
@uguroz3745
@uguroz3745 5 месяцев назад
​@@hubertcumberdale6221Islam is just a lie.
@KevinJonathan-we5qj
@KevinJonathan-we5qj 5 месяцев назад
​@hubertcumberdale6221 just because islam is incorrect, does not mean some parts of islam are always incorrect.
@Obedience33
@Obedience33 3 месяца назад
​@@hubertcumberdale6221Christ is correct. The Trinity.
@Skarlet-ju8sr
@Skarlet-ju8sr 5 месяцев назад
You can probably argue that the ancient Israelites didn't have much faith because they knew God but rejected him even then.
@joshmcgill4639
@joshmcgill4639 5 месяцев назад
Worshipping baal for the 33555th time If you think about it they themselves are their own downfall For they kept rejecting gods ways probably explains alot.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
knowing is better than blindly believing, and the alleged spoiled brat-ism of a group of people, in a story that might not even be historical is not an excuse for him to just give up and not make his existence obvious to us today.
@joshmcgill4639
@joshmcgill4639 5 месяцев назад
@Unclenate1000 I'm sure the isrealites were real and explains yhe inception of artifacts all around both Jerusalem and the western Bank Of course this doesn't proof of god But the for the people did exist
@DRWH044
@DRWH044 5 месяцев назад
@@Unclenate1000 what makes you think you would behave better if your reaction is, “I know better than God, He should perform miracles whenever I ask him or I won’t believe in Him”
@Skarlet-ju8sr
@Skarlet-ju8sr 5 месяцев назад
@Unclenate1000 he showed up 2000 years ago and people still killed him. What makes you think you'd believe today with all the fake images and videos online?
@donm-tv8cm
@donm-tv8cm 5 месяцев назад
I had come to the same conclusion on my own. Satan and his demons are forever unforgivable -- why? Because they saw God's face, His love, His glory, etc., every moment, yet STILL chose to rebel. They had no excuses because they acted in full knowledge! For us humans, it's NOT by sight. There are vagueries and mysteries. When we sin, it is often in ignorance and lack of full understanding -- which allows much more room for grace and mercy! The Bible backs this up. It says that with knowledge comes pain, and with knowledge comes responsibility. "From him who has been given much, much will be demanded." And "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." So, it's an extraordinary mercy that God stays hidden, requiring us to approach based on faith, not by sight!
@samanthaannfuchsgruber
@samanthaannfuchsgruber 5 месяцев назад
I have been wrestling with this exact question these past few days. It's something that is really hard for me to comprehend. Thank you so much for making this video. I support your work in theology and defending Christ, Catholicism, and Christianity. ✝ Non mea voluntas sed tua fiat!
@NontraditionalCatholic
@NontraditionalCatholic 5 месяцев назад
I'll never understand the whole "I'd never believe in God, even if the stars rearranged themselves (etc)..." . And I say this as someone who, at this time, is not a Theist! An experience like Paul's experience on the road to Damascus would definitely convince me haha!!
@samanthaannfuchsgruber
@samanthaannfuchsgruber 5 месяцев назад
Great to see you here; I really love your videos! As a soon-to-be Catholic convert, I am convinced that God has a plan for all of us-a plan that transcends anything we could conceive with our minds. The plan that God has for us is like an infinitely beautiful tapestry, but we can only see the side that has uneven fabric, odd patterns, and frayed string. I sincerely pray that the Light of Christ one day envelops all of creation. 🙏🏻✝
@terrynboucher3219
@terrynboucher3219 5 месяцев назад
A person who would refuse to believe even in the sight of reasonable evidence is not making a rational decision but rather an obstinate act of the will. But such people usually claim they are rationalists. Go figure!
@NontraditionalCatholic
@NontraditionalCatholic 5 месяцев назад
@@samanthaannfuchsgruber My thoughts are super similar to yours, I'll sketch them briefly. If God exists, then all truth is God's truth. If God exists, then he has a plan for me! Me, specifically! God thinks about me, and wants me, of all people, to have a relationship with him! And so, as far as I can tell, all I have to keep doing is what I am trying to do right now, honestly seeking! So, I will, and maybe one day, things will 'click' for me! And if things never click for me, I actually feel peace about the idea that an all-good God would know my heart and know that I really did try my best. And that is all that I can do, is my best. So that is what I will do, and we will see what happens!
@NontraditionalCatholic
@NontraditionalCatholic 5 месяцев назад
@@terrynboucher3219 Agreed. Not only that, but I feel like people are being dishonest. We are not 'pure logic machines', us fleshy human beings. Our beliefs are greatly impacted by our experiences. And an experience in which the stars rearrange themselves to spell out to you that "Hey Kevin, God exists, He loves you, and Jesus is his Son", like, how could that not convince me haha? I would have no other choice but to be convinced!
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 5 месяцев назад
​​@@NontraditionalCatholic "Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the door will be opened." 😊 Have you heard of the Jewish convert to Catholicism who asked God, "If you're real, reveal yourself to me?" And then nothing happened, but he kept seeking. I'm trying to remember his name, but I'm drawing a blank 😞 If you're interested or care to do a RU-vid search, probably the most likely to come up is his talk about his encounter with the Blessed Virgin Mary. Those kinds of topics always draw more interest, so they bump up in the algorithm. Editing to add that I did the search. It's Roy Shoeman, former Harvard professor.
@piface3016
@piface3016 5 месяцев назад
I've seen Gavin Ortlund answer this question by saying something like "He wants our love to be genuine, not something that we're doing because of His power." Now I see your answer as well. But to me the question is nonsensical because I disagree with the premise -- God DOES make Himself obvious. Atheists talk about how they'd believe if they saw a miracle -- like the stars aligning, or the skies opening -- but we already have a miracle that is the biggest evidence: Existence! The mere fact that you exist -- the only thing you're certain of -- is already enough evidence to know that there is a Creator, that the world goes beyond the material. Indeed, before the 18th century it was sort of common sense for every human that obviously there exists a Divine, it can't be that the world is just material.
@theo-dr2dz
@theo-dr2dz 5 месяцев назад
I actually had a few mystical experiences, so to me the only rock-solid and undeniable things are that God is out there and that He wants me to be Catholic. For the rest I don't pretend to know better than 2000 years of theology, so I just accept Church doctrine. I won't pretend that I'm a very good Catholic, but I do know that I have to be one. If you see dwarves dancing around in your back garden there are three possible reactions: 1- the Thomas Covenant approach: you scream to the dwarves "go away you freaks, you don't exist". 2- the Richard Dawkins approach: apparently I'm crazy because I see something that doesn't exist 3- accept that apparently they do exist after all. That's what I do. I think the transmitter isn't broken, I think many receivers are broken. If you don't want to see, you won't see. BTW I think that simply denying something that you don't expect, no matter what you observe is a weird approach for a scientist. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. So you should never rule anything out a priori. And also, the Bible states explicitly that God is hidden (that is, not observable unless He choses to reveal Himself). So that God is not easily observed is completely consistent with theology. Also it is written: "you shall not put God to the test". That is Jesus' second temptation in the desert. You can't _,make_ God reveal Himself. Trying to do that is the worst form of hubris possible.
@damianwhite504
@damianwhite504 3 месяца назад
I would say you are a good Catholic because the main thing I see in your comment is humility, gratitude and wisdom
@redheadsilver8041
@redheadsilver8041 5 месяцев назад
It's out of love. So that we make the best, ever improving version of ourselves, not out of fear or direct obedience for an obviously present entity, but that we do it for the right reasons, that we allow to guide ourselves through sound principles, and make our improvement a genuine victory/accomplishment and an expression of our autonomy. The ultimate act of love from someone or from God can make to another is to wish for the happiness of others by promoting their ability to live and prosper with their lives, thought responsible, principled act. If we do this, then by doing so, we are in turn proving God and loving Him by showing that His creations are a success, happy with the fact they were given a chance to live and prosper. It's a celebration of life.
@mementomori7266
@mementomori7266 5 месяцев назад
This was an excellent explanation! I've never heard it so well thought out. Thank you!
@MikePasqqsaPekiM
@MikePasqqsaPekiM 5 месяцев назад
Dude, this is something I wrestled with for years, and still couldn’t articulate as well as what you just shared. Thank you!
@DeconvertedMan
@DeconvertedMan 5 месяцев назад
let it go, faith isnt needed when you have facts.
@bottomtext7700
@bottomtext7700 5 месяцев назад
God's presence is so obvious its easy to overlook... like fish not realizing they are swimming in water.
@davepugh2519
@davepugh2519 5 месяцев назад
To me it's obvious he's not real.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
"obvious" by the interpretation of a few confirmation-biased-afflicted individuals when many others genuinely think otherwise is not actually Obvious.
@joeypuvel1228
@joeypuvel1228 5 месяцев назад
@@bottomtext7700bro.. don’t you know that things exist because.. well.. they just do man!
@davepugh2519
@davepugh2519 5 месяцев назад
You still think you have all the answers, but the answer is always god.@@bottomtext7700
@jakestewart2323
@jakestewart2323 5 месяцев назад
Brian, thank you so much for this video. I have been struggling with this issue for so long that I have been teetering on the edge of atheism, and I haven't been to Mass in almost a year, in part for the very reasons you address. This video obviously didn't answer everything I'm struggling with, but it addressed a large part of it, and for that I truly thank you.
@ryana1787
@ryana1787 5 месяцев назад
I’m not asking for a pillar of fire or stars rearranged. Just the same level of confidence I have that the cashier standing in front of me at the grocery store exists.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
clearly thats too much to ask. our minds would explode or some stupid excuse like that... as if god couldn't see that coming and just make our minds... not explode..... Nope. No way around this
@hubertcumberdale6221
@hubertcumberdale6221 5 месяцев назад
What gets me is you have religious people talking about how God had given them all this faith and they speak to him all the time, but when you ask for some proof it's all "proof, you want proof? How dare you!". I just want the same certainty that the faithful have been gifted with.
@PaintPlastic
@PaintPlastic 5 месяцев назад
​@@hubertcumberdale6221the evidence is the eyewitness testimony of the early church who witnessed and professed Christ's resurrection despite immense persecution from both Israel and Rome
@Antonia_D
@Antonia_D 4 месяца назад
As a former atheist, now a strong traditionalist Catholic, I would recommend trying this as an experiment: live as a trad Catholic for six months. Attend a good traditional RCIA (Rite of Christian initiation - the class to become Catholic - but you're never obligated to profess the faith, just tell the leader you're doing this as an experiment and trying to connect with God), attend daily Mass whenever possible (just don't receive the Eucharist!) and never miss Sunday Mass, pray the Rosary & prayerfully read the Bible daily (look up how to do lectio divina), do daily Bible study, set up a basic prayer routine like the Angelus at 6:00am, noon, & 6:00pm, the Rosary & Bible reading & study, Morning Offering, maybe a Divine Mercy Chaplet during the day, pray a litany and an Act of Contrition at night, do some reading about the faith like "Theology for Beginners" by Frank Sheed, attend well to your regular duties in your family and job, join a Catholic service group - serve others & perform works of mercy every week, etc. Prayerfully read through a traditional Examination of Conscience each week, admit your sins to God, and and ask God to forgive you for each sin you've committed. Stop committing those sins, at least for this limited time... including all sexual sins. Look at Fisheaters.com to find out how trad Catholics live. This should definitely move the ball down the field for you and grow your faith. Catholicism turned my life around and filled it with utter joy and peace. I would say don't walk, RUN to find God! God bless you and your loved ones, and may He send the Holy Ghost to sanctify us & guide us into all truth, virtue, and charity.
@standard-user-name
@standard-user-name 15 дней назад
@@hubertcumberdale6221 This video explains has some reasons. Our physics are incompatible with God's, due to our own choices. "A barrel of wine with a drop of sewage, becomes a barrel of sewage". Just like all of us would be Nazis in Nazi Germany, all of us would be Adam and Eve in Eden. We are in a fallen state of disharmony by our own choice, and so God also respects that choice, which leads to all this miseries of life, culminating in death. But, God has not abandoned us, he created a plan, described in the Old Testament, and continued in the New, to redeem us. Now it is up to you to participate in that by becoming baptized so he can begin the process by using the Holy Spirit to bring you to Jesus, who bridges us to the Father. The Father. Not the mother. Masculine love is not the same as feminine. Every gang member has a mother loving her kid that just committed murder, saying her baby would never do something like that, though he did. That is not God's love, because that is not just to the one murdered and it is not right for you either. Fathers know that just giving everything to a child, or letting things slide, is not always the best action; and he is Just, so he loves the murdered as much as the murderer. I will also add, it depends on the god you are asking. The Christian God is God, you will not hear from any other. And there are plenty of denominations within Christianity, some of them becoming heretical, so pick and understand wisely. I suggest getting a Word on Fire Bible, starting with the Gospels.
@catholicguy1073
@catholicguy1073 5 месяцев назад
Good video! What about doing a video on the non resistant non believer? The atheist OConner if I have his name right. Young guy who went to Oxford I think has chatted with Trent Horn before. O’Conner has admitted that some atheist as your premise outlines won’t accept any evidence that the issue isn’t the evidence. He says in his case though is that he isn’t resistant so classified himself as a non resistant non believer
@riddance3026
@riddance3026 5 месяцев назад
The lottery winners going broke analogy is just brilliant!
@gregory4154
@gregory4154 5 месяцев назад
God is uniquely unique. That is, you cannot have, ever, true knowledge of God. He is so far above us, He is most like a Being Beyond Being. The only thing we have is Christ, Logos, God literally reaching out to us. IF you dwell on this, you realize how truly comforting it is. God, perfectly good, perfectly perfect, is literally extending a hand (metaphorically) to us. What are we that such a being would even consider? We are truly blessed as a species before Him.
@l0r3st0
@l0r3st0 5 месяцев назад
We need to start reflecting on how to comply with God’s commands. It is not our place to question Him or judge His motives. He’s faultless and we are nothing without Him. In Him, there is order, peace and joy. The sooner we acknowledge our need of Him, the better.
@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd
@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd 5 месяцев назад
A fatal flaw to this argument is the Christian assumption that people choose what to believe by their exercise of their will.
@paologat
@paologat 5 месяцев назад
Please elaborate. Also consider that faith is a matter of trust, more than a matter of theoretical knowledge - and we definitely make use our freedom when we decide whom to trust. Taking it to an extreme example, the devil *knows* by direct experience that God exists, yet has no faith.
@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd
@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd 5 месяцев назад
@@paologat People do not choose their beliefs by the exercise of their will. People can't choose what to believe. People may want to believe something but those are two very different things. A very simple exercise proves the point. No matter how much will you use, you will never be able to stop believing that dogs exist. It is something that does not depend on your will. You may want to not believe in that existence but the only thing that can change your belief is reality. Not your will.
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 5 месяцев назад
Excellent point. If someone threatened us with bodily harm to truly believe in something ridiculous (say invisible unicorns who live in our shoes), could we really force ourselves to believe in it? I highly doubt that a single person could. "Faith" is largely the result of cultural indoctrination over many decades, centuries. It is not a switch that we can turn on and off.
@paologat
@paologat 5 месяцев назад
@@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd you are assuming that beliefs are purely based on direct experience. Not even the hardest empiricist would support such an assertion. Much, if not most, of what we believe does not come from direct experience, but from our interpretation of what we experience, and from information we receive from others. Your willingness to consider alternative explanations to what you experience (or your lack thereof) is necessarily going to influence what you believe. Same goes for which sources of information you decide to trust. A very simple example: reading (or not reading) my response beyond the first paragraph was a choice you've just made. Thinking about it (or ignoring my point) is a choice you are about to make. Both choices are going to have an impact, small as it may be, on your beliefs.
@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd
@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd 5 месяцев назад
@@paologat What we interpret is the result of considering what is experienced. What others tell us is something we experience. You are going to choose to have something considered according to a criterion determined by specific factors. You will also choose the sources of information according to your criteria and these will depend on certain factors. That I did not read your last paragraph can never be considered that I have chosen what to believe. Without having come into contact with the information it contains, I am not choosing to believe or not believe that information. You seem very confused here. None of the situations you raise are related to you being able to choose what to believe by the exercise of your will. One chooses information from the available ones, but this can never be considered that one chooses to believe it. Among the chosen ones there will be things that one believes and others that will not become beliefs. Choosing not to know something does not imply that one chooses not to believe in it. Not believing something is not thinking that it is true. Not knowing is not knowing what it is. A simple way to prove your point is to have managed to believe that dogs don't exist.
@neverclevernorwitty7821
@neverclevernorwitty7821 5 месяцев назад
Nailed it on the pooping your own pants. 🤣🤣 In all seriousness, I do firmly believe that divine hiddenness is intimately entangled with our free will.
@cindycrocker2961
@cindycrocker2961 5 месяцев назад
Literally laughed out loud a lot. 😂 We love you, Brian. ❤️🙏✝️
@chdh5220
@chdh5220 5 месяцев назад
I would really like to see a video about free will and human responsibility because it seems like these things do not exist materially yet they play an essential part in religious beliefs
@brandywineblue
@brandywineblue 5 месяцев назад
Oh my gosh, like all of creation and one's own existence isn't enough proof!!!
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
its not. not proof for a super specific claim, especially from a very specific religion among countless others... just because someone wants it to be due to confirmation bias.
@brandywineblue
@brandywineblue 5 месяцев назад
@@Unclenate1000 more like disbelief bias
@miguelmelguizoabad6205
@miguelmelguizoabad6205 5 месяцев назад
I would like you to answer to this question: why would have God behaved like this with the jews? It IS a mistake for him to do so? should we believe that he did those mistakes? what does the Church say about It? Thank you very much for your videos, they are really doing so much good for me and probably for much more people. Greetings from Spain
@lambofgodofwariz
@lambofgodofwariz 5 месяцев назад
Awesome video, I've never thought of it that way before, very compelling to me
@ricardoheredia7307
@ricardoheredia7307 5 месяцев назад
BRILLIANT!!!!!
@mooregh6501
@mooregh6501 5 месяцев назад
I don’t think divine hiddenness disproves the existence of the Christian God outright. However, I am sympathetic to the issue it can cause. For example someone like Alex O Connor (CosmicSkeptic) describes himself as a nonresistant nonbeliever. He is completely open to conversion and even wants to but God has not shown himself to him. Alex has attempted prayer, church, and living with Christians. He has explored all the arguments but says the logical arguments for God are not convincing enough. It feels weird that God would damn someone like Alex who has sincerely attempted to find him but does not find the logical case for God enough. Outside of some sign he can’t in good conscience convert for something he believes is untrue. To preference I am an agnostic who finds myself relating to his struggle. In the end I’d like to hope that God would have mercy on those who sincerely attempt to find him but do not get there in this worldly life.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
I am less sympathetic. a god if infinite imaginative power could easily fix any potential issues they claim would occur if god made it obvious. They just lack the imagination to realize that and thus, ironically, limit the power their own god in their viewpoint of him.
@orangemanbad
@orangemanbad 5 месяцев назад
Through contemplation of God’s word, we begin to know God. Contemplation of God is both speaking and hearing. Unfortunately, not everyone knows God and that’s why Jesus tells us the difficulty to enter into his kingdom.
@TheGringoSalado
@TheGringoSalado 5 месяцев назад
Read “The Grand Inquisitor” by Dostoyevsky
@betrion7
@betrion7 5 месяцев назад
Can somebody please tell me the hymn that plays in intro? It's beautiful. Thanks in advance. 🙏
@christopherquigley5468
@christopherquigley5468 5 месяцев назад
Thanks, this was one of your best videos.
@HeatherE303
@HeatherE303 5 месяцев назад
We are one with God. You can't have human consciousness without God. "God came down from heaven and became man". Our awareness and consciousness ties us all together and makes us one. That is God. We all know God because we all have him inside of us. However ironical it is we are all individuals and that also makes us selfish too.
@everetunknown5890
@everetunknown5890 5 месяцев назад
As a kid I had several people I met over the phone or the internet. It was always a joy to finally meet them in person. God bless 🕊✌
@jaime5434
@jaime5434 5 месяцев назад
I definitely get your meaning
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
even then that was in some way a clearly evident, tangible interaction.... unlike with god
@everetunknown5890
@everetunknown5890 4 месяца назад
@@Unclenate1000 If you have five senses then every day you will have a tangible interaction with God's creations, animate or inanimate. That may not be the same as interacting with he himself but you can still determine some things about a musician just by listening to their music, even when you've never met him. Scripture tells us we will all meet God one day--it's our destiny.
@jaeho7501
@jaeho7501 5 месяцев назад
Sir, behind you: what is that lamp w/ stainglass-looking illuminations? What's the name of the product and where did you buy it?
@TheSemnate
@TheSemnate 5 месяцев назад
I think the argument used in the second half is a bit weak. If my understanding is correct, it can be paraphrased "since we do not know God like the ancient Israelites, that is a boon to us as our culpability for sin is reduced and we have somewhat more of an excuse", essentially pleading ignorance. So, to illustrate my issue with this, picture the relationship between sin and clarity about God as a fraction, sin on top, clarity about God's existence on the bottom, with the end result being ignorance (Ignorance = Sin / Clarity). The issue with this is that it does not place sin, or Grace, as the subject, as the object of importance, but a legalistic sense of "am I considered guilty?". Am I to believe that God, being omnipotent (which I do believe, to clarify), is so powerless in his task to help us tackle sin that he simply reduces the value of the denominator (clarity) in order to artificially increase our ignorance and thus reduce culpability, without tackling the core issue (sin)? Especially when lack of faith is something that people get damned for?
@Thoughtworld1984
@Thoughtworld1984 5 месяцев назад
Haven't heard the podcast but at 52, I promise God makes nothing obvious.
@merlinidlehands3302
@merlinidlehands3302 5 месяцев назад
I saw Michael the arch angel,,, SOMETIMES God DOES make is VERY CLEER
@suesmith9665
@suesmith9665 5 месяцев назад
Cant know God he not human however we are an extension of his expression. An expression is a breath of his creations.....
@stevedoetsch
@stevedoetsch 5 месяцев назад
The fact that God did appear in history yet people still don't believe the evidence only shows that they're demand for evidence is entirely specious. Any morally and intellectually serious person must be able to define the evidence that they require or else their rejection of God is not based on a lack of evidence but based on something else, like their own close mindedness. The first question you should ask of any atheist is the qualifier: can you describe the evidence that you demand? If they cannot answer that question then there's no reason to take them seriously since they have defined no criteria that could ever be met.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
This (alleged, unproven) claim is not an excuse for him to give up and refuse to make himself obvious to the rest of us. We are all owed a chance at not frying in hell that he created. Or is this just another element of him setting us up for failure like he did with the communal punishment of original sin?
@m4641
@m4641 5 месяцев назад
Love this question!
@ericberg2131
@ericberg2131 2 месяца назад
God as an object outside of us who can change his mind based on petitional prayers is little different than the gods of the pagans.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 2 месяца назад
When pressed with that they will insist their god is immutable, then in turn simultaneously continue on with praying as if it makes a difference like you said lol.
@1960taylor
@1960taylor 5 месяцев назад
Good answer to a very tough question.
@TheLeonhamm
@TheLeonhamm 5 месяцев назад
Or, to be all metaphysical about it, how does one demonstrate .. being .. to the individuating material parts of a busy once-primaeval gloup - when it is part of the evidence to be witnessed ..? Obviously one points the more consciously self-aware particles amassed each to its own individuated material 'self' as 'being' - in the hope that this being will recognise, however dimly, that Being is therefore, of necessity, something more its own being. Charitably pointing out that this 'Being' (greater than all the material parts) is, in principle, what the philosophers considered as < God > (and at one time Catholics also presented this logical concept as : what Christians call 'God' in good faith). And if that doesn't fox the blighters, then try Anselm or Plato on them. It's mostly much of a muchness - and, alas, is treated like a matter of taste rather than moral reason aka natural law (and the natural sciences). Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o)
@JACOBITE-1745
@JACOBITE-1745 5 месяцев назад
Does anyone know the backgtound chant or hymn?
@tvhead7074
@tvhead7074 5 месяцев назад
Check the description
@FSR431
@FSR431 5 месяцев назад
Faith is the substance of the things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
@craigbenz4835
@craigbenz4835 5 месяцев назад
It's really not that much different than the problem of evil.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
correct. his deliberate hiding and subjecting us to a guessing game when our alleged eternity is at stake is an act of negligence at best.
@littledrummergirl_19
@littledrummergirl_19 4 месяца назад
@@Unclenate1000​​⁠​⁠idk if I’d call thousands of years of prophecy and personal guidance of an entire people (and other peoples) and then coming and dying on the cross and performing many miracles and healing people among crowds of observers before He died and after He rose from the dead (even in modern times too) “subjecting us to a guessing game”
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 4 месяца назад
I would, especially since none us were there for that and none of those things are proven history. On top of the slew of other religions with contradicting claims that I have to weigh against, or just "Guess" hence the "guessing game"@@littledrummergirl_19
@capecodder04
@capecodder04 5 месяцев назад
Reportedly, the holiness of God, if we were in His presence, would be overwhelming for us as well. You hear about this holiness and posture or desire for reverence as well with those who were fortunate enough to meet the Blessed Virgin Mary.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
then just snap his fingers in his infinite power and make it NOT overwhelm us. easy peasy. then that excuse for him to hide flies out the window. really not that difficult to figure out if you're intellectually honest.
@capecodder04
@capecodder04 5 месяцев назад
@@Unclenate1000 Intelligence is not a requirement for belief in God but it can definitely be a hindrance.
@seeker2219
@seeker2219 5 месяцев назад
How do you believe in something you KNOW exist, you do not BELIEVE in air.. you KNOW it is there for you to inhale. If ones Faith comes from belief then there cannot be any KNOWING.. it is that simple. Now, you CAN prove gods existens to yourself once you DO believe. But then again, you won´t get a phonecall from god stating that you were right. So you still cannot KNOW, you will have to believe. And once you DO, you will see him working in your life. I do not believe because God forced me to, i believe because I MYSELF started searching, listening/seeing. And today there is nothing that would change my mind.
@BrianHoldsworth
@BrianHoldsworth 5 месяцев назад
There are different kinds of knowledge. I know Australia exists, but I have no first hand experience of it. Everything I know about it, along with all human history, has been relayed to me by someone who I trust. Faith is like this. Faith depicts knowledge given to us by God, or what Christians mean by revelation. To summarize, Faith is a knowledge.
@seeker2219
@seeker2219 5 месяцев назад
@@BrianHoldsworth I see your point but when i read what you write i would say that Faith = trust. For ex: One has Faith in what jesus did for us all = one trusts that Jesus DID die for our sins. But in order to have faith then you still need to believe first. And there still cannot be any knowing, since knowing removes the believing. The closest thing to "knowing" would be to be fully satisfied in ones belief, wich is achieved by obtaining selfapointed marks/levels of satisfaction. To some belief comes from miracolus timing, to ME it could only come from unfathomable wisdom.
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 5 месяцев назад
Well, I'll give you credit for not breaking out the old "God doesn't want robots" argument, Brian. However, the comparison btw the divine revelations in the OT and the NT utterly fail. Yes, the ancient Hebrews had to endure enslavement, famines, and plagues when they disobeyed, but they never faced the prospect of eternal torment as presented in the Christian scriptures for failure to believe. The stakes are significantly higher and not gentler in the NT.
@BrianHoldsworth
@BrianHoldsworth 5 месяцев назад
So, this is where a binary interpretation of the afterlife is unhelpful. In English we have one word to depict the alternative to Heaven, which is "Hell". But scripture uses different words to describe varying degrees of that existence including Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna. The ancient Isrealites would have been familiar with these as Jesus even distinguishes between them in his parable about Lazarus and the rich man. In it, they both die and Lazarus ends up with Abraham but the rich man experiences a torment. Both are, technically, in Hell. But where Lazarus resides (with Abraham and the other patriarchs) isn't some kind of torturous existence. But it's also not Heaven. Dante depicts righteous Pagans like Virgil in this same condition in his Inferno.
@JodianWarrior
@JodianWarrior 5 месяцев назад
@@BrianHoldsworth But that's the NT, not the OT. In the OT, there is only Sheol. And Jesus used Gehenna as a metaphor. Jews of His day knew it as a physical geographical location.
@albertito77
@albertito77 5 месяцев назад
A good question
@CafeteriaCatholic
@CafeteriaCatholic 5 месяцев назад
So if I don't have a relationship with God, because I don't see any evidence he excists, I will get hell. But if he reveals himself to me, and I reject him I will get more hell? How should I decern weather anything I experience is from God or from myself. I really can't see how an allpowerful beeing should be incapable of making its excistence clear without overwhelming us. And one thing, not all atheist are like those hyperskeptics, assuming that I would simply deny the evidence seems a bit unfair. And if anyone who speaks with God listens, I have a special coin. Ask God what coin that is and write to me the answer.
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 5 месяцев назад
You've defined your own terms under which you will accept proof that God exists. It's almost as if it's a control issue. Ordering someone else around, expecting him to obey, disregarding his otherness. Js.
@CafeteriaCatholic
@CafeteriaCatholic 5 месяцев назад
@@kimfleury Well, that's because I am often asked, what would convince me. If God finds another way, fine. But I won't believe anyone claiming he his hearing Gods voice if there isn't a proof. And Jesus loved Thomas so much he would obey his demand. And yet Thomas is now a saint isn't he? If Jesus comes to me and I can lay my fingers in his wound I too will believe. When I was a christian, I wouldn't dare to ask for a big sign, because what would happen to my faith if nothing happens. Now I have nothing to loose but everything to gain. But also I know the arguments against God and especially his church far better and I think am justified in asking for much. Because what I ask in Jesus name...
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
@@kimfleurywhich he and the rest of us have every right to. If god has such an issue with it then he can fucking show himself and tell us. And/or dont design us with minds and in such a world were such skepticism is necessary. Im so fed up of people who hide behind “dont question my god!” Because they cant come up with an actual decent explanation.
@damnedmadman
@damnedmadman 4 месяца назад
​@@CafeteriaCatholic But the existence of God is not something you have to believe. You've got the perfect tool to detect Him, better than senses - your mind. All you need to do is use logical reasoning with all honesty and you will end up knowing that He must exist. Simple, isn't it?
@CafeteriaCatholic
@CafeteriaCatholic 4 месяца назад
@@damnedmadman Nice, if I say I did that and didn't know that "he"(what made you come to that logical conclusion) exists, it must be because I am a liar. Simple, isn't it? And while I might be peruaded that there is this wonderful, all knowing, all powerful, all good, ect. There is still a gap to the Yahweh that choose the jews. The Jesus, that rose from the dead. Or the God of the catholic church that was okay with killing Jews and Heretics for at least a few hundred years. There seems to me to be a gap of the gods.
@EspadaKing777
@EspadaKing777 5 месяцев назад
But didn't god appear in various, substantially more explicit forms in the past? I'd take a pillar of fire or a Damascus Road apparition or a talking burning bush or heck just send an angel. You can't form a relationship with total silence.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
you nailed it. imagine if you weren't even sure your spouse didn't exist because you never actually talked them, seen them... how utterly stupid of a relationship would that be?? his nuanced excuses dont fly
@maryharrington8983
@maryharrington8983 5 месяцев назад
You form a relationship with God through prayer, meditation, seeking or desire, religious practice. It's time and investment, the sharing and gift of yourself, just like any other relationship. There are periods of no response but there are definitely responses from God, "God-incidents." May the Divine Assistance be with you always.
@EspadaKing777
@EspadaKing777 5 месяцев назад
@@maryharrington8983 I have never once gotten a response and I tried for 2 years. I was just left alone with my own thoughts, counting beads in silence. If he is real, I got the message. In all other relationships, I at least can see the other person physically in front of me, I don't just have a conversation with thin air and assume someone is listening.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
@@maryharrington8983 certain events that are naturally occurring or coincidences that your suggestible mind and confirmation bias makes you think can only be from god while the majority of the other times you hear nothing back,,, doesnt count. Im talking a god actually showing himself and speaking his voice to us, like any real god could and definitely would. Like go out of his way to appeal to our sense of reason and skeptical hesitation that HE ALLEGEDLY BUILT INTO US. Too much to ask for an imaginary god i suppose
@damnedmadman
@damnedmadman 4 месяца назад
​@@Unclenate1000 So, you didn't understand the video, or more likely never intended to. You have a mind that can logically deduce the existence of an Absolute. The Israelites had more or less strong experiences and it didn't help them much. We have Jesus, a literally physical God, doing miracles, resurrecting himself. He's objectively the most influential person ever, though He never wrote a book, had any wealth, an army or any position of authority. Israelites had prophecies about Jesus, and it didn't help them. We have these prophecies and can verify them to be true. What else do you want? All you need at this point is an open mind and a good will.
@bumpercoach
@bumpercoach 5 месяцев назад
Because THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE HERE... Sure there are different times for different dealings but the point of us being here if far beyond most such conveniences
@mac3441
@mac3441 5 месяцев назад
Brian you’re crushing it lately (not that you weren’t before). God bless ya
@p.doetsch6209
@p.doetsch6209 5 месяцев назад
I used to wonder why God doesn't include a manual with everything we need to know for our current life. While I would still prefer having one, He has determined it's not necessary and that means He has different expectations than mere obedience. He wants more than that, He wants our will, given over 100% voluntarily out of love. He's playing for keeps.
@lonniestoute8762
@lonniestoute8762 5 месяцев назад
There is a manual , actually there are 2 of them . First the Bible , then the CCC .
@p.doetsch6209
@p.doetsch6209 5 месяцев назад
@@lonniestoute8762 Those are very, very distance second to what God Himself could provide if He wanted to do so. Plus it would be way cooler to have a manual pop out of thin air with every human being born as a welcoming gift directly from Him. But it doesn't work that way, so we will have to use Scripture and the CCC as God intended.
@lonniestoute8762
@lonniestoute8762 5 месяцев назад
@@p.doetsch6209 yup yup, we will have to be content. Jesus told his Apostles , I have many more things to share with you but you can't handle them now. The scriptures are just as applicable today as they were thousands of years ago. " Must Christ be crucified in every generation? "
@rubemartur8239
@rubemartur8239 5 месяцев назад
@@lonniestoute8762 CCC you mean, catholic church cathecism? In portuguese i know it as CIC (catecismo da igreja catolica).
@p.doetsch6209
@p.doetsch6209 5 месяцев назад
@@rubemartur8239 Correct. Catechism of the Catholic Church.
@capecodder04
@capecodder04 5 месяцев назад
Being from Boston my substitute celebrity would be either Tom Brady or Bobby Orr and if they weren't available I'd settle for Ray Bourque, Cam Neely or Patrice Bergeron.
@amateurprojects3341
@amateurprojects3341 4 месяца назад
If as a parent, you could force your son or daughter to love you, would you? Or would you let them choose to love you or reject you of their own volition?
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 4 месяца назад
that has absolutely nothing to do with them simply knowing for sure that you actually exist in the first place since they can actually see, hear, and interact with you. They still have the freedom to accept or deny you afterwards... meaning there's no excuse left for remaining invisible
@hubertcumberdale6221
@hubertcumberdale6221 3 месяца назад
I think you've just supported the divine hiddeness argument. We can know who our parents are, what they're like, and have them present in our lives, but still choose to reject their love. We still have free will when it comes to loving our parents, even when we know them well. If I expected my children to love me but I never spoke to them and made them believe I was an absent father, would that be reasonable? I don't expect God to take away my free will, I expect to know God and then make the choice to choose or reject him. I would accept him, by the way.
@amateurprojects3341
@amateurprojects3341 3 месяца назад
re: We can know who our parents are, what they're like, and have them present in our lives, but still choose to reject their love. If I reject someone's love I would say I don't truly know whet they're like. As for absent father, I must suppress a chuckle. Knock on the door & see if anyone's home ;)@@hubertcumberdale6221
@DeconvertedMan
@DeconvertedMan 5 месяцев назад
I made a video responding to you four months ago and you didn't watch it. Not sure why I should make one about you again but this is a pretty bad """"argument""" you have here.
@laurentius.dominus
@laurentius.dominus 5 месяцев назад
Dios no se manifiesta porque no es una cosa concreta del mundo. Sin embargo, incluso cuando no se manifiesta al modo de una piedra o un electrón, *es* en todos ellos como el principio al cual se deben. Por eso se dice que Dios es mónade en cuanto es uno y es origen de todos los entes. La pregunta sería si un ente puede ser Dios en cuanto ente...
@davidniedjaco9869
@davidniedjaco9869 5 месяцев назад
I get what ur saying..but o can hear ppl saying, unless I misinterpreted something, that God just "used" the Israelites, until the full Sacrifice of Christ was to come in the future..what would one say to that?..also, what is the Catholic way to interpret our free will with God's Omnipotence and Divine Foreknowledge? Lastly, if a person, truly wants to believe in God, even specifically the Catholic perception of God, is Catholic, goes to mass, receives the Sacraments, prays, works on virtues etc, but still personal faith never comes, despite a sincere desire for such a thing, and after viewing all the evidence, decides Catholicism makes the most sense..has the most credibility, but get cross that hurtle to a sincere belief in God, is that sufficient in order to possibly obtain salvation..specifically like a cradle Catholic that just never could really believe in God, despite being raised Catholic, feels like that their has been so much conditioning in the world since the enlightenment to this world view, some people find it impossible, despite sincerely wanting faith..I mean, objectively, Catholicism made just as much sense to medieval ppl, as it does for many ppl in the modern world to not believe..both were conditioned over centuries that this is true, and for them in the medieval era, that reality was just as inescapable as the modern natural sciences in our age for many..and if you take, just that, the centuries of "conditioning" ppl to believe one way over another, and no other evidence or variables, then Catholicism and modern natural science are kind of on equal footing..I was recently asked this and didn't know how to respond..I think some personal belief has to be there, but to the degree, I don't know..sorry for the long loaded questions..I know this is hardly the proper forum, in comments, to ask such a thing..God bless Mary protect you Brian and your whole family and all your people who follow you with a n open heart for the Truth +++
@isaiahminke6817
@isaiahminke6817 5 месяцев назад
I like that description of growth in faith as a virtue. But how do you think that works with faith being a theological virtue infused by God rather than a moral virtue? Of course, acts of faith make us more habitually open to receive it, so maybe there is not a large distinction in this case.
@BrianHoldsworth
@BrianHoldsworth 5 месяцев назад
Yes, it starts with God, but we still habituate it and nurture it in cooperation with his Grace.
@user-oz9dm6tp1x
@user-oz9dm6tp1x 5 месяцев назад
A consequence seems to be that all revelations after the New Testament are false? Moreover, the idea that only those who already possess faith can find or experience God seems widely circular.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
and highly, suspiciously convenient
@Polones12
@Polones12 5 месяцев назад
Komentarz pięciosłowny dla zasięgów , o!
@JacobNozicka
@JacobNozicka 4 месяца назад
What makes a Catholic different from a Baptist or any other Christian branch? How is one Christian belief superior to another?
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 26 дней назад
Superior isnt the right word but both Catholics and Protestants do agree on some basic fundamentals such as the Trinity and the importance of faith in Jesus. What you should be looking for is who has the fullness of truth. There's some truth that can be found in any denomination or religion in varying degrees. But if you're gonna join something might as well be in the best place. Delving into the history of Christianity which will lead you to the history of the Church helped me.
@CatholicChristian51
@CatholicChristian51 5 месяцев назад
God talked to many people in Old Testament, Jesus talked to Paul after ascension into heaven.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
Allegedly anyway. Cool, now talk to the rest of us. We’re waiting.
@EricRuskoski
@EricRuskoski 4 месяца назад
You shoulda mentioned Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 2 месяца назад
they're with plenty excuse, especially now when more and more of the natural (actual) explanations for things are steadily being uncovered, and also when nothing about these alleged proofs do nothing to show which of the countless religions is true. The fact that this dispute exists at all is the sufficient proof that we have plenty of excuse. God has none, if we are to expect he remains logically consistent with his perfectly good and caring nature.
@therustler30
@therustler30 5 месяцев назад
It is obvious.
@laurentius.dominus
@laurentius.dominus 5 месяцев назад
El vídeo se resume en esto: 1. El nominalismo es cierto. 2. Todo lo que es y puede ser son individuos. 3. Luego, Dios para ser algo debe ser un individuo de algún género o especie. Pero todas estas proposiciones son falsas. Así que Dios para ser algo no debe ser un individuo al modo de un planeta o un neutrón.
@SquekretGenius420
@SquekretGenius420 5 месяцев назад
God wuz here, innit? Brian, UK represent! 😎
@jemill65
@jemill65 5 месяцев назад
Why did God talk to more people in Genesis days.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 4 месяца назад
obviously because its just a story. its far too much of a convenient coincidence that he just so happened to start hiding once recording devices started showing up
@friendshipwhiskey155
@friendshipwhiskey155 Месяц назад
As if your christian god isn't insecure
@RobertSmith-gx3mi
@RobertSmith-gx3mi 3 месяца назад
There are thousands of gods humans have worshipped throughout our history. How many of these gods Originated from the deep recesses of the very imaginative mind? Let's assume for arguments sake there have been 3000 gods. How many of these are real gods and how many are inventions of men?
@El-Harto
@El-Harto 5 месяцев назад
I just say that God isn't a wish granting genie.
@alisterrebelo9013
@alisterrebelo9013 5 месяцев назад
Or a vending machine.
@joshmcgill4639
@joshmcgill4639 5 месяцев назад
He was more involved and even then the isrealites still committed wickedness humans don't change
@TheVietnameseCatholic
@TheVietnameseCatholic 5 месяцев назад
🇻🇦✝️❤
@joearnold4508
@joearnold4508 5 месяцев назад
God revealed Himself pretty explicitly to Lucifer. How'd that work out? Many of these atheists just aren't self aware or brave enough to admit that they'd react to God in just the same way as Satan.
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 5 месяцев назад
According to the Bible, God revealed himself to Abraham and regularly had chats with the various prophets, Moses, David, and Solomon. Somehow, they didn't turn into demons. Sorry, but this explanation is simply ridiculous.
@BrianHoldsworth
@BrianHoldsworth 5 месяцев назад
That's because they didn't rebel against him in the same way, but they did end up in Hell for a time.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
not if we have free will like you guys allege lol. idiotic answer. if its too much for us to bare then maybe design us better so that we can handle it. easy as that
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 5 месяцев назад
@@BrianHoldsworth That's not the reason that the folklore gives. According to Hebrew myths and later Christian interpretations, Lucifer was transformed from the angel of light into hideous evil and darkness because he rebelled due to God granting humans souls and placing them above the angels. It is entirely understandable why someone who has served faithfully for eternity would have been infuriated at such a slight, although it's moronic to fight battles in which one knows that he is doomed to lose before a sword is drawn. Satan/Lucifer most definitely did not rebel because he couldn't handle being in the presence of God. As for the prophets/patriarchs, they were in Sheol/Hades, not hell (once again, according to lore). This was not a place of torture. It is not until Christianity came along with its Zoroastrian/Greek influences that we have a realm of eternal torment conceived for misdeeds in this life.
@josemont4291
@josemont4291 5 месяцев назад
Problem of evil: read, The Devine Comedy, by Dante Aliguwry.
@leejennifercorlewayres9193
@leejennifercorlewayres9193 5 месяцев назад
It's because the nature of life is to learn and to go through trials and adventures. If God was right here with us we wouldn't be able to live life's purpose.
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 5 месяцев назад
Sorry, but that's ridiculous. God is supposed to be a loving father, right? As a loving (or even semi-decent) parent, you do not let your children walk in front of cars or let them place their hands in boiling water so that they have their "trials and adventures"; you try to equip them the best that you can to be relatively safe/secure in life. Given that making the wrong faith decision entails an eternity of torture, isn't this something that a loving God would seek to protect us from?
@ModernProphet013
@ModernProphet013 4 месяца назад
God doesn't make it obvious because we were banished from full contact with god when Adam and Eve ate the forbiden fruit. When Jesus comes back in the end of times, God will be fully revealed again.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 4 месяца назад
Not at all a good excuse to hide and set us up for failure, especially when our alleged eternity depends on believing in him and accepting him. Any real god who's halfway decent, caring and reasonable would go out of his way to make sure this was all obvious and THEN he could leave it up to us to freely choose, as is allegedly the case in the supposed angelic world. Both the issue of god hiding himself for no good reason AND the issue of us all being automatically punished by what our alleged parents did long ago that wasn't our fault are both, independently, reasons to easily doubt the existence of a caring, personal god.
@JosephGillespie928
@JosephGillespie928 5 месяцев назад
Subjunctive tense: If God were real
@TheRealShrike
@TheRealShrike 5 месяцев назад
I was going to post the same thing. Great catch! One nitpick. It's the subjunctive mood.
@byrondickens
@byrondickens 2 месяца назад
The flawed logic is stunning. If the universe was created by a God, this God would necessarily have to be outside of the universe and not within it. And if this universe is rational, intelligible and operates according to natural laws - which it must be or Richard Dawkins wouldn't even be able to do the thing he really ought to stick to, which is science - then this God could only operate within it in accordance with those natural laws. It's like we're playing basketball and they want God to come in as a substitute to score a touchdown. Looking for God inside the universe is like looking for Karl Benz under the hood of your car.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 2 месяца назад
yet that god in both his alleged infinite power and infinite goodness (wanting our best interest) can, and logically would go out of his way to make sure every single person not only knew he was real to begin with but was clear on his expectation and what he wants of us. Only a human-imagined god (or just a stupid and/or negligent one) would follow Brain's flawed logic that theres any good excuse to play hide n seek when our eternity is allegedly at stake.
@byrondickens
@byrondickens 2 месяца назад
@@Unclenate1000 English is hard.
@amdedemeke2544
@amdedemeke2544 Месяц назад
There cant be a "loving relationship " if you don't even know if the person exist pretty stupid argument born out of desperation
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 Месяц назад
This is precisely what it is. On the fly desperation. Imagine if your werent even sure if your spouse was real because youve never actually fucking met them, how stupid a “relationship” would that be?
@amdedemeke2544
@amdedemeke2544 Месяц назад
​@@Unclenate1000 God is real I retract my previous statement he showed himself in a personal way after I honestly asked him to its like if an apple fell in the forest and no one saw it fall did the apple really fall type situation but in this case I witnessed the apple fall and I'm now trying to figure out what that means to me and my life going forward
@JW_______
@JW_______ 5 месяцев назад
God's end goal is not for us to believe in Him, but for us to love Him and return to right relationship with Him and our place in the cosmic order. Just as death prevents humankind from becoming like the demons, immortal in our evil, so God's hiddeness may be necessary for human beings not ready to bear His presence without a greater falling away.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
idiotic answer. its utter nonsense to have a "relationship" with someone you have no good reason to believe is even real and have never actually interacted with.
@blujeans9462
@blujeans9462 5 месяцев назад
The simplest answer to the original question: why isn't God more obvious? I think Jesus answered that question in advance for those with just that question, when he spoke to Thomas: blessed are those that believe but have never seen.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
One of the hallmark stupidest things ever said in the Bible. Blessed are the gullible, and easily duped and easily scammed. I cant just let you know things for sure because thats no fun!
@josemont4291
@josemont4291 5 месяцев назад
Wow, beautifully faithfully and theologically sounded explanation! God is LOVE! FREE LOVE AND LOVER of his creation. SIN destroys our relationship with GOD. Thank you, Brian. We'll done about the INCARNATION. AMEN.
@Tornadicane
@Tornadicane 5 месяцев назад
So why did God make us not be able to handle his presence/appearance? The angels never had to go through this process AFAIK. Why us? We're made in his likeness, so he should look a lot like us anyway, right? It's the cherubim and those wheels with all the eyes on them that look so freaky. But even discounting all of this, we should at least be able to handle being in Jesus's presence, right? The first half of your video doesn't make sense with the second half considering your answer to the question in the title.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
well put. they dont have a good answer to this. god in his infinite power could have just engineered us to not be so frail like you explain with the angels. then he has no excuse to hide.
@maryharrington8983
@maryharrington8983 5 месяцев назад
He did, we had friendship with God in the garden of Eden. Our forebears ate the forbidden fruit and they hid from God. We are now in a fallen state in a fallen world. God bless you.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
@@maryharrington8983 heard that tired old made up story over and over. Even as a kid i realize how unjust and retarded it is for god to punish us for that only they did for absolutely no reason. Only a primitive human would come up with a stupid design like that. Any god worth his weight would show himself to ALL of us and give each of us a chance.
@Tornadicane
@Tornadicane 5 месяцев назад
@@maryharrington8983 2 people made a mistake and now billions of others and the world suffer because of it? Doesn't make sense. If your great great great great grandpa murdered someone, do you think you and all your relatives should be in jail because of it? That's what the whole "fall of man" Adam and Eve story sounds like to me.
@TheRealShrike
@TheRealShrike 5 месяцев назад
My disagreement will focus on the proposed sky-writing you bring up, noting that some atheists have stated they'd believe no evidence whatsoever. Brian, I know some atheists have said things like this, but I don't think you are steel-manning the best form of that argument. When atheists say things like "I won't believe any evidence," they are exaggerating, many of them, but the essential point is the difficulty in assessing ANY evidence, however interesting it is, as pointing to god. Critical, possibly insurmountable difficulties would exist in passing judgment on this evidence. Which leads us to: Skywriting...so, we wake up one day and we (I?) see "god" writing in the sky, stars rearranged, or whatever. By what method would we discern the cause is god? God would not be my first thought, nor should it be. And, by the way, you just assumed we'd know the writing was from god. Absolutely no, we would not know. God as the best explanation would probably be years in the making, if possible at all. Edit: So, if this is some sort of shared vision (everyone can see it), we have a LOT of work to do to get to god. If the vision is internal only (say, one person's claim), then I am not interested at all. Those are a dime a dozen. Think of all we have to rule out first: hallucinations, drugs, a Hollywood director's prank, a massively expensive super bowl ad, etc. Then we'd move on to ruling out government manipulation, psy-ops warfare, mass chemical poisoning. Need to rule all that out. Also a wide scale magic trick, need to rule that out. Digital manipulation, too. Need to rule that out. We'd then attempt to rule out known and unknown (well, "emerging") natural phenomena like atmospheric disturbances. Or, possibly, just plain weird effects of quantum mechanics. And oh, boy, the conspiracy theories! Those would be fun. And, of course, aliens. By what measure, and at what point, would you, Brian H, finally determine the writing was from god? What confidence would you have in it? If you could rule EVERYTHING above out, that still wouldn't give you god. It would just give you a bigger mystery. If you could determine the strange sky-writing was indeed caused by a single being, what tools and testing would you use to determine the entity causing it was god? How to separate god from a lesser, yet still massively powerful being? Seriously, the challenge to identify the supreme being as causing the skywriting would be immense. Also, on a separate note, if the Apostles could stand being in Jesus's presence - a couple of them even during the supposed transfiguration - I think we'd all be fine in the presence of god the father. And a request... pleas stop using Dawkins as your atheist standard-bearer! Select someone worthy of the title, like Alex O'Connor.
@ixLeGeNDaRyz
@ixLeGeNDaRyz 5 месяцев назад
It feels pretty obvious ngl
@AndrewIMartinez
@AndrewIMartinez 5 месяцев назад
Your Taylor Swift analogy doesn't work. You're almost certainly right that Taylor Swift can't form new authentic friendships because she can't rely on anyone new she meets caring about her rather than caring about her fame or money. The issue is that, at the end of the day, she's just a person. She has more stuff than I do, but she's just a person. And if I meet her, I can't see her for what she really is because I'm overwhelmed by all the stuff and success she has. That's fair. But god, if he's real, isn't just a person. He's the creator of everything. Meeting him SHOULD BE overwhelming. If I'm a being that cannot handle meeting god, that's because god wants me to be that way. Taylor Swift didn't make me. God, supposedly, did. But more than that, Taylor Swift can't read my mind. Do I really care about her, the person, or do I only care about pleasing her because of what she can give me or do for me? She can't tell. God can. Am I worshipping him because I want to or because of some ulterior motive? God knows. More than THAT, though, is the fact that some people claim to have overwhelming evidence of the existence of god. You say that someone like Richard Dawkins wouldn't believe in god even if it were spelled out in the stars. Fair. But some people believe overwhelmingly and completely in god on the basis of some marks on a few old pieces of paper. If these faithful people are as convinced by that "evidence" as I'd be if god manifested himself to me and provided undeniable evidence of his existence, then aren't they in exactly the position you spell out. They're overwhelmed by the existence of god, just as I would be if I physically met god. But you suggest that's not desirable. So which is it? Maybe you think that god provided the evidence to these people that would convince them but that would not overwhelm their free will. Maybe. But then he can do the same for every single person. In the end, it breaks down like this. If having sufficient evidence of the existence of god renders worship of god inauthentic, then there are only two types of believers: inauthentic believers or fools who believe things for spurious and insufficient reasons.
@user-sd6yu1xs4g
@user-sd6yu1xs4g 5 месяцев назад
live by faith not by sight
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
I tell myself the same thing when I decide to believe the random Indian accented voice over the phone that my mom has been kidnapped and I give them my bank account password
@user-sd6yu1xs4g
@user-sd6yu1xs4g 5 месяцев назад
that isn't faith but, it is moronic @@Unclenate1000
@OUTBOUND184
@OUTBOUND184 5 месяцев назад
For those with eyes to see....it *is* obvious.
@KarateCowboy05
@KarateCowboy05 5 месяцев назад
I find it easy to believe in a Creator. The hard part for me, and others, is a loving, benevolent Creator who cares about me. Problem of Suffering stuff.
@OUTBOUND184
@OUTBOUND184 5 месяцев назад
Sure, I get that. Plenty to read out there on that front!@@KarateCowboy05
@alisterrebelo9013
@alisterrebelo9013 5 месяцев назад
@@KarateCowboy05 Why don't you get to know the Creator? To get to know someone, you need to speak with them (prayer, even informally). Ask God to show that he loves you and cares for you, but the question is, if he does so and reveals himself to you, will you give your life to him? I hate sharing personal anecdotes because often times it feels like, 'Why does God so easily communicate with that person but not with me?'. However, this might help you. In the months following my return to faith, I had lingering health issues that made life miserable, I was constant pain all the time. I'd ask God so many times, and some times in frustration, 'Why do I have to suffer like this?', after several days of asking this question, one morning as I was waking up, the words John 3:5 came to mind. The feeling was unreal, I nearly forgot the reference, it was like trying to cup water with my hands and not letting it spill. I got my answer, I'd already had a water baptism, so Jesus was saying the suffering is a form of baptism of the Spirit, a form of on-going sanctification. I've never had that level of angst since. John 3:5 RSVCE 5 *Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.*
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 5 месяцев назад
Then explain why there are so many religions. Shouldn't there just be one if your theory were true?
@OUTBOUND184
@OUTBOUND184 5 месяцев назад
My theory is that God's existence is obvious on a natural level, which is literally why there are so many religions....@@Charlotte_Martel
@chasedudek3136
@chasedudek3136 22 дня назад
999th like
@jacobw5460
@jacobw5460 5 месяцев назад
Can I get a little nugget of real evidence of God in any way except through what other humans tell me? That's the only way I can know God
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
clearly too much to ask apparently. our minds would just explode or some outlandish bullshit excuse like that.... weird how such a god couldnt see that coming and just alter our design so that our minds dont explode lol. Nope. No other way out of this I guess lol
@davepugh2519
@davepugh2519 5 месяцев назад
Even if god was real, I would never worship (or even respect) such a violent bully.
@lamaterfamilias
@lamaterfamilias 5 месяцев назад
That fact that we exist makes it pretty obvious
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
nah. our cobbled halfassed "design" in such a disorganized world just shows the opposite.
@EasternOrthodox101
@EasternOrthodox101 5 месяцев назад
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Exactly, but you missed a few points Brian: 1. God was already was gracious enough to perform all the miracles & revelations to our forefathers. 2. If God would reveal Himself to us every time, there wouldn't be any point to existence here, because there wouldn't be any trial and test to man, which is the point to our time here 3. If the Father & Son weren't different in their personal manifestations we would be modalists - as said by King Solomon in the Spirit: א לַכֹּל, זְמָן; וְעֵת לְכָל-חֵפֶץ, תַּחַת הַשָּׁמָיִם. 1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 5 месяцев назад
To points 1 and 2, if it didn't damn our "forefathers" to see actual evidence of God's existence, then why deny it to us when it would undoubtedly save billions from an eternity in hell? If it were good enough for our "forefathers," why not then for us? The fact is that we can diagnose the natural causes of phenomenon much more readily now, which is why there are far fewer claims of miracles in our age. It has nothing to do with faith or being tested.
@EasternOrthodox101
@EasternOrthodox101 5 месяцев назад
@@Charlotte_Martel 1. God...🤦you got a lot to learn since you didn't even understand the simple point and premise. 2. You wouldn't have found anything new that isn't written already in Scripture, other than the little details and technicalities which you only put in an artificial modern scientific language. God gave man the task to explore and learn about His creation in this manner, after He gave the eternal blueprint and transcendent TRUTH (1 objective universal truth) which transcends ALL your modern theories which come and go, so nice try.
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel 5 месяцев назад
@@EasternOrthodox101 Brilliant. God gave you the TRUTH, then perhaps he might make the briefest of appearances for the rest of us. After all, only a couple thousand years ago, he was parting seas and causing food to drop from the sky, non? But you are a credulous fellow, so I will leave you to your imaginary task. Mazel tov with that.
@EasternOrthodox101
@EasternOrthodox101 5 месяцев назад
@@Charlotte_Martel We will pray to God to give you wisdom and wake you up from your sleep🙏❤️ י תְּחִלַּת חָכְמָה, יִרְאַת יְהוָה; וְדַעַת קְדֹשִׁים בִּינָה. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the All-holy is understanding." - Proverbs 9:10
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
yeah moot points. god allegedly appearing to people in the past in historically debatable events is not an excuse to hide from us today. 2 is actually kinda correct but doesn't excuse him as well. subjecting us to suffering and "trials" is an objectively subpar design that no real, perfectly loving and capable god would subject us to if he was able to design a better world (he is). All the "lessons" we need to "earn" could just easily be imported into our minds. We can then still make a free will decision whether or not we'll comply from there... much like how its described in the alleged world of the angels... so clearly that world setup is not out of the question for us.
@hidden546
@hidden546 5 месяцев назад
God doesn’t have a problem being obvious, apologists do. Throughout the entire scripture God wants to make his name known and honored. God wants his prophets to succeed so he allows them the ability to do miracles. God walks with his people, talks with his people, wrestles with them, and is carried around in a box throughout the desert. He appears in many different forms, he sends angels when he can’t or doesn’t want to do it himself. When his people are going to be harmed he breaks the laws of physics and protects them supernaturally. He protects Daniel in the lions den, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were protected from fire, the Red Sea was parted, etc. Why? So that the God of Israel could be worshiped and given praise. God demands it from his people and it’s his goal hence the first 3 commandments. God is active throughout the stories of the Old Testament, and he’s even active throughout the New Testament. When we get to the New Testament we get more supernatural things: Demon possession, Satan is more active in the world, miracles are being done left and right, visions pre and post resurrection, Peter walking on water, Paul seeing the risen Jesus, John’s vision of the end of the world, etc. The Bible and the stories within it paint the world in a very mythical way. Angels, demons, an active God intervening for his people, etc. the world we live in doesn’t reflect this at all. Unfortunately if you set your bias aside and truly do the heart wrenching searching, you know it’s not true. It was really hard to leave the faith after 30 years but once you have an outside look at it all you realize all you ever did was attribute God to natural events or events that you couldn’t explain. We don’t speak to God, God doesn’t speak to us. You have questions or doubts? There are no answers, you’re left to question. If you truly believe in the Christian God you have to sit there and believe that God made a decision to go from being highly active in the world to not being active at all (he changed - which he says he doesn’t) You have to believe that God, with his foreknowledge, knows when a gunman is going to go on a rampage and all the innocents that will die - many of whom might be Christian’s (who he has protected before) and decides NOT to protect them. You have to believe that Christian’s who struggle with doubt, who eventually start the deconverting process are left alone and never comforted by God or given a little message of encouragement by God to keep faith and stay strong. Nope, not there’s just silence, exactly what you would expect if a God did not exist. The truth is this world with all of its chaos and evil makes more sense and is EXACTLY what we would expect if there was no God. And as a final note, why is it that we even have to debate ‘Does God Exist?’ The very fact we have to ask the question begs the answer. I don’t debate or ask ‘Does my wife exist?’ Existence is anything that ‘is’ it occupies a space in reality and is verifiable. We get our information about God and his existence from an ancient book written by hundreds of potential authors over thousands of years ago. That’s not getting you off to a good start. If God existed, by the very definition, we should all come to know him in the same way without the need to read a book. The fact that there are thousands of different Gods that have been created by people, that nobody believes in anymore shows that WE invented God.
@lukebrown5395
@lukebrown5395 5 месяцев назад
I’ll admit that I have not watched any recent video. I feared that the titles were leaning more into Sedevacantism.
@dominusalicorn3684
@dominusalicorn3684 5 месяцев назад
I was thinking that too, and I'm a protestant
@lukebrown5395
@lukebrown5395 5 месяцев назад
@@dominusalicorn3684 I let me fear get the best of me so I just refused to see if that’s the way he was going. If you don’t know denying the office of the pope is occupied is kind of a heresy.
@ixLeGeNDaRyz
@ixLeGeNDaRyz 5 месяцев назад
​@lukebrown5395 It's schism, not heresy
@lonniestoute8762
@lonniestoute8762 5 месяцев назад
@lukebrown5395 Brian is struggling ( like many others ) to reconcile his love of the TLM with the Seds and progressive Bishops and Priest who are also in dissent. I think he sees the error of both extreme idealist . We pray he isn't highjacked by anti-Vatican II idealist and he can bring some unity back to TLM and NO parishioners. I'm pulling for him , he is able to do this if God is leading him in that direction. He did a video on "I didn't sign up for this " where he expressed his desire to stop all the slander and gossip and simply love the TLM .
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 5 месяцев назад
I treasure all his videos. He is a great Catholic theologian and obviously a holy man. I am sure that he sees the fatal errors of Vat 2 and will address them in good time.
@SenorCinema
@SenorCinema 5 месяцев назад
Dumb take. If god made a point to publicly perform miracles and made a point to appear to Paul, god could’ve appeared to us. This whole video is you just talking about a whole lot of nothing
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 5 месяцев назад
Well said. More importantly, hed appear to EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US, rather than pick and choose a few favorites that we all have to blindly believe going against a healthy skepticism that has protected us from the world around us and that HE ALLEGEDLY WIRED INTO OUR MINDS 😒😒😅
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 26 дней назад
​@Unclenate1000 And if he appeared to you yet you still choose to disobey his commands and still sin, what then?
@thirion1850
@thirion1850 5 месяцев назад
So the argument is, "you're just not ready because he's too awesome"? And you, Brian the enlightened, are? How patronizing. I suggest sticking to more positive subjects rather than assuming for and strawmanning against atheist or arguments of rival faiths. It would do far more for your own cause than this malign attempt at justifying human written liturgical scripture.
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