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Why Doesn't Hip Hop Respect Joyner Lucas? 

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Despite successful collabs with top spitters like Eminem, Black Thought, Royce da 5’9”, Tech 9ine and most recently Logic, it would seem that Joyner Lucas is ready to be added to many favorite emcee lists by now. He has the megastar co-signs, respect from his contemporaries and most importantly, his pen game is among the best. But despite doing everything right at face value, why isn’t Joyner Lucas taken more seriously as a younger version of artists such as J. Cole or Kendrick Lamar?
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@meowpurpur
@meowpurpur 5 лет назад
"I'll go down as the underdog that never lost hope"- Joyner
@patrickfeeney1773
@patrickfeeney1773 5 лет назад
dude i loved that lyric from lucky you
@BlackDeku12
@BlackDeku12 5 лет назад
meowpurpur preach
@f.e.a.r666
@f.e.a.r666 5 лет назад
When I die I'm goin' out as the underdog who never lost hope
@alexanderelashkar8633
@alexanderelashkar8633 5 лет назад
FAX
@KaoZGaming
@KaoZGaming 5 лет назад
Why is that bar so perfect for this
@SuperViberz
@SuperViberz 4 года назад
If joyner came out in the 90s or early 2000s he would be a legend right now.
@dmtmusick
@dmtmusick 4 года назад
ry vibes facts
@mazasis_princas456
@mazasis_princas456 4 года назад
He did rap since age of 12, I believe. So it's around 18 years ago.
@mazasis_princas456
@mazasis_princas456 4 года назад
He did rap since age of 12, I believe. So it's around 18 years ago.
@37H662
@37H662 4 года назад
Maverick no
@Septiccatgaming
@Septiccatgaming 4 года назад
scorpionmain 2 7 5 6 Yes stupid.
@fridgmanfrustle4376
@fridgmanfrustle4376 4 года назад
I swear dudes slap “corny” on anybody they don’t have a legitimate criticism for
@mariosaenz6801
@mariosaenz6801 4 года назад
FACTS!!!
@lofer9138
@lofer9138 4 года назад
Jaketheripper honestly
@braindeadprawn
@braindeadprawn 4 года назад
It comes down to psychology. Most people aren't self aware and self critical. They gravitate to arrogantly confident artists, if feels good. They don't relate to artists who think they are the shit, but also think they're a piece of shit at the same time. That's my take on why a lot of artists are labeled as corny. Most people bury those self-doubt emotions so anything adressing that topic does just sound corny to them.
@TheBreezus
@TheBreezus 4 года назад
Dead ass bruh.
@kingflip8257
@kingflip8257 4 года назад
Boy you said so much, with so few words!
@somethingwittyhere
@somethingwittyhere 4 года назад
Other rappers dont like Joyner because of "lack of substance"? Really? Yeah cause rapping about money are so deep and original.
@kevinyanezmartinez6121
@kevinyanezmartinez6121 4 года назад
Joyner did rap about money. Except he did it in a deep, logical way. 👀 #keepit100
@Hussain-965
@Hussain-965 4 года назад
yeah I swear I was looking for a legit reason why Joyner isn't getting the attention he deserves and this video is all bullshit
@issdeonlilchannel
@issdeonlilchannel 4 года назад
Kevin Y Martinez im glad this comment exist
@bradizfrmda218
@bradizfrmda218 4 года назад
They obviously never heard Ross Capicchioni
@jakubwieczorek6521
@jakubwieczorek6521 4 года назад
FR BRO, oml fr fr 🙏🙏
@spacespace321
@spacespace321 5 лет назад
It’s funny because all the people who I hear say “corny” listens to people like Blue face, Migos, and lil baby and then say that they’re the best rappers 🤣
@ritojasso7953
@ritojasso7953 5 лет назад
Right
@BattleRatsRapBattles
@BattleRatsRapBattles 5 лет назад
MackTheFifth lil baby is actually good. The others tho, not so much. lil baby actually spits if you listen to him
@spacespace321
@spacespace321 5 лет назад
BattleRatsRapBattles yea I guess. I just hate when these kids at my school say some stupid shit like “lil baby is the best rapper” or “blueface is the best rapper” or someone like that.
@-BeatsKids
@-BeatsKids 5 лет назад
I'm not liking your comment. Not only because I disagree but because it is at 69 and I wan't to keep it there.
@-BeatsKids
@-BeatsKids 5 лет назад
Joyner tries to send a message but fails due to it being shallow and lacking the depth that someone like Kendrick, Cole, Badass, or even Denzel would have, while people like Blue face, Migos, and Lil Baby want to make enjoyable music and succeed to the masses. Blue face is whack, but people like Migos and Lil Baby are hella dope. And even Lil Baby makes better relatable music than Joyner in my opinion, his sound blends in with the emotion and puts some nice lyrical for a trap song. Joyner needs to improve when it comes to real life and relatable type songs but when he wants to make lyrical bangers where he just goes hard with his bars he does a fantastic job.
@_ramirocardenas
@_ramirocardenas 4 года назад
Joyner lucas is respected by the GOATS of hiphop, therefore HipHop RESPECTS joyner. Case closed
@oisoisoisois6735
@oisoisoisois6735 4 года назад
Ramiro Cardenas being respected by big names doesn’t translate to being accepted by the audience. If you asked 100 hip-hop fans what they thought of Joyner 90% would say he’s generic and Just relying on the age-old stereotype of “guy who thinks he’s the savior of rap”
@IXLAZYMANXI
@IXLAZYMANXI 4 года назад
@@oisoisoisois6735 not really
@antonchigurh5654
@antonchigurh5654 4 года назад
Mf facts.
@oisoisoisois6735
@oisoisoisois6735 4 года назад
Harvivek Dhindsa you do realize that just because a rapper thinks Joyner is good that doesn’t mean the fans of that rapper does? People don’t blindly support their favourite artist to the point where they agree with their opinions on everything
@tecksonthevibranium8206
@tecksonthevibranium8206 4 года назад
@@oisoisoisois6735 yeah I agree but trust me 80 percent of the rappers have fan bases that will blindly agree. Only the 20 percent who have a much more informed audience will think for themselves
@DeeMulaah
@DeeMulaah 4 года назад
When Emcees that are at Legendary status cosign you, all other opinions become invalid
@Sizzle_sauce-
@Sizzle_sauce- 4 года назад
Mailbox underrated comment honestly
@aaronharris9757
@aaronharris9757 3 года назад
That's not true at all. Most of these dudes want to be respected by more than 10 guys in a culture of millions.
@cyber-bully5063
@cyber-bully5063 5 лет назад
Lyrical community dismisses trap music as "Mumble Crap" Trap community dismisses lyrical community as "Corny" Rap is turning into the equivalent of modern politics.
@endlessword506
@endlessword506 5 лет назад
Yeah the middleground of people that can differentiate both and enjoy them for what they are is getting smaller.
@coltongates7397
@coltongates7397 5 лет назад
Yes but there are levels of lyrical rap. For example Joyner raps w fast and intricate flows over trappy beats and that leaves him to be considered corny bc ppl like Logic do the same thing and the black audience tends to hate it most of the time and it appeals more to a white audience. Then there are the true innovators such as Westside Gunn and JPEGMafia and Roc Marciano who rap over instrumentals entirely of their own styles using less fast paced and typically more smoothe flows, focusing more on the lyricality of their bars than people like Logic. Joyner is equally as talented as the aforementioned underground rappers but his middle class of rap is typically described as corny by default simply because he is too intense for some listeners, just like the underground rappers are but they nevee get to see the light of day bc they have loyal fanbases of their own and they thrive in their own bubbles without trying to clout chase or succumb to the masses style. I just wish Joyner would collaborate w those underground legends, it would do him some good and loosen him up. Since those artists go completely unnoticed, as only true rap fans know about that kinda shit, they don't get called corny or anything because they don't get noticed whatsoever bc they don't clout chase and "keep it real". Ik people would be quick to dismiss their style as "too weird" or garbage simply because they aren't as well known as someone such as Travis scott. Honestly pretty sad what hip hop has come to
@BigJonahJ
@BigJonahJ 5 лет назад
I would say more people who like trap would prefer lyrical shit to mumble rap as well
@king_kangk221
@king_kangk221 5 лет назад
You said it man
@jamesgreen6430
@jamesgreen6430 5 лет назад
Agree
@El_Peterson
@El_Peterson 4 года назад
"If you ain't Joyner If you ain't Kendrick or Cole or Sean then you're a goner"- Eminem... Let's leave it there Thought I'd edit it up...
@stealthninja1140
@stealthninja1140 4 года назад
What about Logic?
@El_Peterson
@El_Peterson 4 года назад
@@stealthninja1140 I don't know... This is an Eminem quote bro... I like logic though
@stealthninja1140
@stealthninja1140 4 года назад
@@El_Peterson Oh, it's just that Eminem collabed with much more people like Royce Da 5'9, Logic and more. He only collabs with the best.
@El_Peterson
@El_Peterson 4 года назад
@@stealthninja1140 yes he does... But I'm sure Joyner, Kendrick and Cole were fitting in well with his rhyme scheme
@stealthninja1140
@stealthninja1140 4 года назад
@@El_Peterson Okay, thanks bro.
@Bluehaze
@Bluehaze 4 года назад
My comment didn't age well
@NoCommentsVideo
@NoCommentsVideo 4 года назад
Same.
@godmodevegeta1216
@godmodevegeta1216 4 года назад
Man it's so cool to see another Freddy
@Bluehaze
@Bluehaze 4 года назад
@@godmodevegeta1216 thanks man 👍
@Bluehaze
@Bluehaze 4 года назад
@Assa • grow up kid
@nicholaslehmann1709
@nicholaslehmann1709 4 года назад
"Eminem told me to get on my knees for him And thats all I need" 😂😂 you fucking stans kill me
@_lumpia
@_lumpia 4 года назад
He got Will Smith to remix his song... that’s gotta get him some respect
@Heshgoeshard
@Heshgoeshard 4 года назад
Straight fax 🚫🧢
@dominiquebatty0990
@dominiquebatty0990 4 года назад
@SPECTRUM DAVE what...man you crazy fresh Prince was dope as hell
@janmrt9274
@janmrt9274 4 года назад
@@dominiquebatty0990 he didn't say that fresh prince isn't dope
@dominiquebatty0990
@dominiquebatty0990 4 года назад
@@janmrt9274 yes he did he said he was never respected.Fresh prince got respect maybe not like the more dark rappers like rakim ,kool moe d,rdmc,but they new fresh got busy on the mic.
@kylesoutlooks7259
@kylesoutlooks7259 4 года назад
SPECTRUM DAVE So basically, will smith wouldn’t be respected if he wasn’t internationally famous? If that’s the logic here than what are you to this world ? Bc I never heard of you
@mylesmikieal
@mylesmikieal 5 лет назад
LETS NOT FORGET, YALLS NIGGAS WAS TRYNA HATE ON KENDRICK WHEN HE MADE "I"
@jude3426
@jude3426 5 лет назад
Not me
@elmerfudge2625
@elmerfudge2625 5 лет назад
Not this way easily my favorite Kendrick song
@AverageJ03Gaming
@AverageJ03Gaming 5 лет назад
Faithful to kdot since 2014 buddeh
@zuranatsvlishvili793
@zuranatsvlishvili793 5 лет назад
tbh w u my favourite kendrick's song is i
@shabaclank3711
@shabaclank3711 5 лет назад
Myles Em TV who is y’all niggas? Lmao
@shimeih2287
@shimeih2287 5 лет назад
It's so depressing how when someone raps about true issues in society people say it's corny but when rapper sing about money and disrespecting women we suddenly call it "lit"🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ Guess the truth is a painful pill to swallow after all.
@anthonyt425
@anthonyt425 5 лет назад
Comment deserves more likes.
@shimeih2287
@shimeih2287 5 лет назад
Thank you for the love guys😊😊 y'alls are real G's
@wednesdayswoe4240
@wednesdayswoe4240 5 лет назад
@@37310kaleb Probably won't pin this comment because they think its corny to speak facts 🙄
@Adeel808s
@Adeel808s 5 лет назад
So fucking true.
@dlyrikal
@dlyrikal 5 лет назад
Yuuup
@fugikendesu2396
@fugikendesu2396 4 года назад
Why is lil pump in a thumbnail that says “Respected by Hip Hop” 😂😂😂😂
@CodeNameCheese_
@CodeNameCheese_ 4 года назад
Anyone here after “Will”
@rezzyxl9237
@rezzyxl9237 4 года назад
Yo what are the chances I see you here
@MarioDaGoatte
@MarioDaGoatte 4 года назад
"you feeling like me?"
@lime1529
@lime1529 5 лет назад
Joyner got compared to Nas by Busta Rhymes. I'll just leave it to that.
@donivanfait67
@donivanfait67 5 лет назад
🏅
@godofnothing428
@godofnothing428 5 лет назад
Lime has aside from like 2 maybe 3 albums has been trash
@TheRealestSound
@TheRealestSound 5 лет назад
Lol
@jasonblackson6799
@jasonblackson6799 5 лет назад
only the one track. parallels to i give you power.
@Knoxkuma13
@Knoxkuma13 5 лет назад
True, how can u hear Ross capichionni and call him corny
@enzaim
@enzaim 4 года назад
The fact that Joyner is not "respected" by hiphop is a very misleading topic. He's respected by guys like Eminem, Nas, Scarface, Black Thought, Masta Ace, Ghostface Killah etc, guys who helped build the art form. If they're not Hiphop then who is? If you talk about Hiphop community, are you talking about the guys who use the number of viewers and sales as a benchmark or people who actually have knowledge of the culture and the craft? Furthermore, you claim that Eminem's latest work is irrelevant and that it did nothing for hiphop at all. You should probably think again. Do you have any idea of where the roots of hiphop came from? Or are you just interested in talking album sales? Because that's the only thing you build your arguments on. Since when did record sales become a crucial factor in artistic quality? Do your homework and come back bro.
@that0neni99a
@that0neni99a 4 года назад
enzaim Thank you💯All these hating clown ass niggas are annoying
@noahsalinas6799
@noahsalinas6799 4 года назад
St8 up
@harsh183
@harsh183 4 года назад
enzaim straight facts
@kingozone
@kingozone 4 года назад
Exactly
@whoscozy7110
@whoscozy7110 4 года назад
You said something about Eminem's *LATEST* work, but then mentioned the roots of Hip-Hop. Okay.
@gigithebird2151
@gigithebird2151 4 года назад
“Ain’t no love for the other side or anyone who ever want smoke.”-Joyner Lucas
@vvsdynamo
@vvsdynamo 4 года назад
“When I die I’m going out as the underdog that never lost hope”-Joyner Lucas
@blackhole1105
@blackhole1105 4 года назад
"You in the wrong cab down the wrong path nigga wrong way, wrong road"
@reynaldofrancis8960
@reynaldofrancis8960 4 года назад
Snakes in the grass,tryna slyther fast,I just bought a motherf×cking lawn mower
@Irregular1-y7s
@Irregular1-y7s 4 года назад
Woah dude that is so corny 😂 No i am just kidding this video was fucking retarded. But people are even more retarded and thinks that word "corny" is legit.... Like how the fuck can you say this guy is shallow and corny. Listen to Older songs or new revenge, its very good and i am not even dick riding i am not even sub to him on his channel but i can see talent if i hear it.
@davidemauri9084
@davidemauri9084 3 года назад
"Ain't no love for the other side" is Tupac... I didn't listen to ONE song of this Joyner dude and I perceive him as corny. Maybe the name "Joyner Lucas" (uglyass name) or the looks... Lightskin Tattoos chain basically a cliche of these days rappers... I don't know... Seems corny to me, nothing original
@R-BURQUENO
@R-BURQUENO 4 года назад
Hip Hop don't respect Joyner because they are TERRIFIED OF HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED!!!!!!!!
@Jean_nell
@Jean_nell 4 года назад
ANTHONY R.C. YES bro say it louder ✊🏽
@kelcland9611
@kelcland9611 4 года назад
@Victor P. He just dropped revenge, you should listen. It will clear everything
@stevethomas4867
@stevethomas4867 4 года назад
He’s just not cool. Girls don’t want to fuck him and black dudes don’t wanna be him
@Jay-pt9fy
@Jay-pt9fy 4 года назад
@Steve Thomas. Did this guy just say joyners 'not cool'😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
@kelcland9611
@kelcland9611 4 года назад
@@stevethomas4867 he litteraly already has a son
@aedvartfordihens1123
@aedvartfordihens1123 5 лет назад
The only thing corny here, is using the word "corny" twice a minute 😂
@KaoZGaming
@KaoZGaming 5 лет назад
You said it twice😶
@LeoLCDT
@LeoLCDT 4 года назад
In under 15 second lmao
@JohnSmith-pg9ns
@JohnSmith-pg9ns 4 года назад
I know I couldn't believe this idiot would be calling Eminem corny
@tigersharkgaming8597
@tigersharkgaming8597 4 года назад
I was just about to say something similar the people who call everything corny are comfortable with garbage
@UnimpressedGoose
@UnimpressedGoose 4 года назад
Y’all better put some respect on his name after he just dropped Revenge
@antwanosorio5090
@antwanosorio5090 4 года назад
Frrr bruuu
@PedroCruz-uu4be
@PedroCruz-uu4be 4 года назад
for real tho revenge is so fire
@abdallahh9158
@abdallahh9158 4 года назад
You're my boi ✌️
@replacewordnswithbrothersp6308
@replacewordnswithbrothersp6308 4 года назад
and that buildup at beginning was 🔥🔥 my head was moving without beat drop
@ntf_midgyy1407
@ntf_midgyy1407 4 года назад
That song is better than the most top selling artist rn whole career
@fluidcreativity3124
@fluidcreativity3124 5 лет назад
The thing that a lot of people tend to miss when it comes to respect is, *not receiving respect from people you weren't wanting it from doesn't matter.* Joyner has the respect of legendary emcees and is recognized in hip hop so he has accomplished what he set out do. Same with Em and Logic, the people who think they're corny didn't contribute to their success so they're not important.
@CarlosSchultzMusic
@CarlosSchultzMusic 5 лет назад
The people who think these poets are corny aren’t educated in the hip hop culture AT ALL! And they be the same people riding hip hop trends and hip hop waves.. it’s a shame, I’m 22 and can see right through this BS. Wish I had grown up in the old school/golden era where they treated the culture with respect and not creating a mockery out of a beautiful culture, with downright disrespectful anything goes disses, dj scratching, where the real ones were getting the recognition and spotlight;where as today we get watered down disses from drake and Tory lanez, non authentic artists who don’t care about the game enough to actually put effort in creating unique creative art but instead taking the easy way out and copying everything, RU-vid channels like these creating false narratives about old school rappers, modern day lyricists like Joyner, hopsin, logic, daylyt, etc. and just making a complete mockery of the roots and origins of hip hop. They taking everything for granite.
@rolandbishop9716
@rolandbishop9716 5 лет назад
fluid creativity on God n dem showty
@manniking233
@manniking233 5 лет назад
People criticize lyricists, so that their own rap taste doesn't get questioned for its credibility. Most of what is called hiphop today IS NOT hiphop, just mumbling melodic chanting. Hence, true rappers with witty lines and bars come through, these 'hiphop fans' suffer an existential crisis: admit the credibility of such rap and risk allowing further criticism of the hiphop strain they love, when comparisons are drawn OR, as they usually do, preempt such a discussion by preemptively attacking raw rap, protecting their ability to claim to be rap fans, no matter their tastes. They know, objectively, attacking such rap purist styles is literally impossible, so they use a tag that is impossible to define and, hence, question: corny.
@fluidcreativity3124
@fluidcreativity3124 5 лет назад
@@manniking233 great comment. To me personally, it's usually just people being negative for attention. It's their way of calling rappers trash with minimal backlash. There was a time when someone didn't like a artist, they just didn't listen to them and go on with their lives. But since we're in this social media era, people feel the need to constantly tell the world they don't like something or someone. And what makes it worse is that most of the time they don't have a logical or justifiable reason as to why they think that way. I *love* talking about hip hop, so when I see the corny or trash comment I simply ask that person to elaborate. And their response is usually an extremely aggressive insult. I just tell them that they want attention and the only reason they're insulting is because they want to be right but have nothing intelligent and of value to say.
@dark-hero-6ssportsnewsando237
@dark-hero-6ssportsnewsando237 5 лет назад
Fat W
@Lagacy2
@Lagacy2 4 года назад
So when you say the rap community do you really mean to say you? Because if so, sorry to break this to you but this being my introduction to your channel it's incredibly corny how you keep generalizing things like: "We all think Logic is corny." Once again, who are we? Who are you even quoting? Amateur journalism is corny.
@elllie865
@elllie865 3 года назад
Amatuer journalism is the best way to describe this channel 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@danielfadelle2136
@danielfadelle2136 4 года назад
So you just gonna skip over that whole album he did with Chris Brown
@DAWHITEBOI22
@DAWHITEBOI22 4 года назад
Whose one of the best musicians in the world but it's not fully out yet I think only like 3 r out
@khrisbreezy3406
@khrisbreezy3406 4 года назад
Ikr, he puts Chris on the thumbnail but skips him, and their collabortaions are fire
@gamingfwkzfwkz1134
@gamingfwkzfwkz1134 5 лет назад
“The Hip-Hop Community” doesn’t respect Joyner Lucas? If you don’t respect Joyner Lucas you are not part of Hip-Hop.
@chadi5761
@chadi5761 5 лет назад
Worded perfectly
@nicki322
@nicki322 5 лет назад
Okay lol
@kazumak.1542
@kazumak.1542 5 лет назад
K
@dodgeorcatch9215
@dodgeorcatch9215 5 лет назад
For real nobodies perfect what’s wrong with being corny if the best rappers in the game are the same thing I don’t get it
@drugaddict6386
@drugaddict6386 4 года назад
GamingFwkz Fwkz so people cant have opinions or que?
@quazee13
@quazee13 5 лет назад
Well fortunately Joyner doesn’t care that much about establishing a “popular” fan base like Cardi B , Migos, Tekashi69 , and so on and so forth . He establishes a fan base to whoever is willing to hear him and accept what he has to say and doesn’t care . Simple
@Waluigi-vr4qz
@Waluigi-vr4qz 5 лет назад
Quadri Salahuddin just like a lot of other rappers. His not special for not Selling out.
@bluesmoke8
@bluesmoke8 5 лет назад
IM DAT FAN CAUSE HES THE BEST
@quazee13
@quazee13 5 лет назад
@@Waluigi-vr4qz exactly ! He doesnt have to sell out but for his type of message and truth he puts in the air he is actually a gifted and talented rapper and he should be respected
@quazee13
@quazee13 5 лет назад
@@bluesmoke8 he is the best the around ! He doesnt have to be a rockstar . Just because he doesnt appeal to the younger generation such as doing drugs , flashing money , and talk about strippers doesnt mean hes a cornball ... It just means he is not generic 😂😂😂
@bluesmoke8
@bluesmoke8 5 лет назад
Quadri Salahuddin what the fuck are you on about 🤦🏽‍♂️
@tyronewoodard5800
@tyronewoodard5800 4 года назад
“Logic is in his prime” BRUH NOOOOOOO HE AINT
@LIAM-rc2kd
@LIAM-rc2kd 4 года назад
What you talking about my nigga he is my g
@alli_hx_2398
@alli_hx_2398 4 года назад
Yes he is
@arealone9506
@arealone9506 3 года назад
Hes retired
@brotherdarknessgaming4479
@brotherdarknessgaming4479 4 года назад
You know who else they called corny at first, ludacris and he straight up changed the game with the all similes and metaphors.
@brotherdarknessgaming4479
@brotherdarknessgaming4479 4 года назад
@BxxDxx Hoodoo yup with 3 grammies, 9 bet awards. 1 mtv vma, 1 screen guild, and 1 cmt music award, and 26 other nominations. Not everyone likes mumble rap, and fake gangster and drug rap sorry lol
@lilliamcruz6778
@lilliamcruz6778 5 лет назад
Every time I hear the word corny I stop taking the video seriously
@saxyrep1
@saxyrep1 5 лет назад
Preach, bruh...
@MORNINGSTAR190
@MORNINGSTAR190 5 лет назад
@@saxyrep1 he is corny tho
@jam3s731
@jam3s731 5 лет назад
@@MORNINGSTAR190 no he isn't
@MORNINGSTAR190
@MORNINGSTAR190 5 лет назад
@@jam3s731 not corny jus he predictable and generic with his verses
@jam3s731
@jam3s731 5 лет назад
@@MORNINGSTAR190 how the fuck is he predictible or generic in his verses give me 1 good example
@Andre_Knos
@Andre_Knos 4 года назад
“Unlike Eminem, Logic is in his prime”. I see clownery here
@redoni9175
@redoni9175 4 года назад
Like hes not even close to his prime, hes on his fall off, hes prime is way back in 2012, on mixtape days.
@AYONEEKO
@AYONEEKO 4 года назад
AraVamp you mean 2002?
@podomuss
@podomuss 4 года назад
RedBeryl 81 he’s talking about logic
@Bradley2806
@Bradley2806 4 года назад
Yeah neither of them are in their prime anymore
@debziney
@debziney 4 года назад
Thank you!
@hazvineishekede8650
@hazvineishekede8650 4 года назад
I say joyner is really talented......I mean aint nobody out there that can do what joyner did on revenge
@lamarsemi7061
@lamarsemi7061 2 года назад
My favorite song by bruh
@Sasha-ft5xs
@Sasha-ft5xs 4 года назад
Who’s here after Joyner released his new song “Will” 🔥🔥🔥
@LeeLee19901
@LeeLee19901 4 года назад
Joyner Lucas doesn't get the credit he deserves. He's very talented.
@yeeyeebubba1885
@yeeyeebubba1885 4 года назад
Lee Lee naw he’s not all that he’s very unoriginal and lacks concept and creativity and dumb downs his topics with simple lyrics that make it hard to listen to you
@ybone8709
@ybone8709 4 года назад
@@yeeyeebubba1885 Joyner is your favourite rappers rapper
@xydanmusic
@xydanmusic 4 года назад
Yeah
@JaXXTroNaut
@JaXXTroNaut 4 года назад
Yeeyee Bubba yeah but talking about doing drugs and fucking bitches makes sense, when you can’t even get any?
@noahtawil2713
@noahtawil2713 4 года назад
Nutty Playz why are you making it like it’s either rap about money and bitches or rap like Joyner, imo he’s corny cause he disses people who rap about shallow stuff when he’s not that interesting either, there’s guys like Kendrick who offer legitimately interesting social commentary, or guys like Tyler who rap about really creative subjects like bikes and boredom, Joyner has pretty generic subject matter so even if he’s obviously a very talented rapper i don’t really give a shit about what he’s saying cause it’s boring and generic, just like the rappers he talks down on
@DLynch
@DLynch 5 лет назад
“Hip hop doesn’t respect Joyner” - Joyner sells out a stadium with Snoop Dogg 🤷🏼‍♂️
@craigpatel5953
@craigpatel5953 4 года назад
D Lynch I'm sure a mega star like Snoop had nothing to do with it 🤷‍♂️
@Jussstusssreid
@Jussstusssreid 4 года назад
It's snoop dog bruh. Nobody went for Joyner he just filler
@matykeryakuz3057
@matykeryakuz3057 4 года назад
xjus- snoop wasnt supose to be there man... he jut showed up
@JitSlayer
@JitSlayer 4 года назад
@@Jussstusssreid Bruh lmao look at his songs and what's hit billboard again Look at his monthly listeners I'm sure joyner had something to do with it
@Jussstusssreid
@Jussstusssreid 4 года назад
@@JitSlayer doesn't mean his music is that great.... Joyner locus is super repetitive and talks about the same stuff.
@adikickass84
@adikickass84 4 года назад
This guy probably listens to lil pump before he goes to bed at night 😂
@tigersharkgaming8597
@tigersharkgaming8597 4 года назад
Dr. Blue 😂
@wathtuber300
@wathtuber300 3 года назад
So
@fuckthat369
@fuckthat369 3 года назад
Hahahahah lol
@stepsquidward4945
@stepsquidward4945 3 года назад
"Insult me in a line compliment me on the next". -Eminem
@FrankDickerstein
@FrankDickerstein 4 года назад
All this coming from someone that said Jaden Smith isn't corny.
@joelman1989
@joelman1989 4 года назад
Frank Dickerstein DX has several writers. He’s just a narrator. Meaning one writer could have said Jaden Smith isn’t corny and another could have said this. Click the little arrow at the top to see credits and check the writers from both episodes. Might be the same but either way not really his fault he’s just the voice.
@Whereyahidin
@Whereyahidin 4 года назад
now that kid is suspect!!!! talk about him.
@aryaman1490
@aryaman1490 4 года назад
Foreal ?😂
@hentaiprotagonist729
@hentaiprotagonist729 4 года назад
Yeah but Jaden fire tho even Joyner fire
@pavmx703
@pavmx703 4 года назад
@@hentaiprotagonist729 This shit is so ironic bro. They talking about Jaden corny but this was taught and raised by a hip hop legend. Ironic that people can't ever really say something bad about Jaden's actual ability, so they resort to saying he's corny. They can't deny his talent without sounding stupid so they just say "he's corny" because they can say that without having to actually explain it because they can't explain it. Jaden puts out better shit than a lot of these idiots' favorite rappers. I can't name a single Dababy song that even stand next to a song like "Fallen". Even Jaden's shit that's just dance type stuff is better than anything I've heard from Dababy but people put that simple ass shit at the top.
@Illike59
@Illike59 5 лет назад
I would say Joyner's ft with Chris Brown is his other huge feature.
@shellyshenanigans
@shellyshenanigans 5 лет назад
YES! AND I LOVE THAT SONG
@waynegore176
@waynegore176 5 лет назад
Indeed
@coltongates7397
@coltongates7397 5 лет назад
Mystikal
@youngprince7611
@youngprince7611 5 лет назад
Yeah I think you’re right
@highmm2696
@highmm2696 5 лет назад
@@shellyshenanigans joint album going to be 🔥
@andrewindelstad6459
@andrewindelstad6459 4 года назад
Back to the old sayin, its hard to argue with a smart person, but its impossible to argue with a dumb one
@KingBullDogg
@KingBullDogg 4 года назад
Joyner is my boy bro I love his music dude reppin all of us with ADHD and he hops in and token we’re the first rappers I ever got to see perform live all at the same show that energy was off the fucking chain
@swaggidy7652
@swaggidy7652 4 года назад
He's a lyricist rapper in a time when mumble rapping is the norm. People don't like people who are different.
@AnoNymous-ek1wr
@AnoNymous-ek1wr 4 года назад
Exactly
@Jussstusssreid
@Jussstusssreid 4 года назад
Yet his music is not that great 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
@AnoNymous-ek1wr
@AnoNymous-ek1wr 4 года назад
@@Jussstusssreid I'm not really a big fan either. For instance, I though Tory Lanez bodied him in their "beef". But, I agreed with the guys original point. Alot of people just want dope beats/production rather than great lyricism.
@christianhuang9673
@christianhuang9673 4 года назад
@Sammy Dee LE WRONG GENERATION
@Provolt
@Provolt 4 года назад
@@Jussstusssreid u sleeping
@KJ-hg5ck
@KJ-hg5ck 5 лет назад
Joyner has always just done his own thing.. whether it be about social issues, race, haters,just for fun or just straight fire lyrics... Ems already solidified his legendary status and Joyner is a legend in the making...
@cam105
@cam105 5 лет назад
Kate J why the fuck are niggas still bringing up Eminem ?!?! We talking bout joyner, hop off his meat damn
@mylesmikieal
@mylesmikieal 5 лет назад
RIGHT, fuck an opinion, once eminem cosigns u, WHO THE FUCK ARE CRITIQUES
@shadyxi3217
@shadyxi3217 5 лет назад
@@cam105 he even said in the video that no one can question EMs place in the rape game, so he's just saying when you get Eminems attention plus a feature theres no doubt about it that Joyner is respected in the game. Love him or hate him he's gonna be a legend in the game with time.
@spacespace321
@spacespace321 5 лет назад
Danny Sirota I think people aren’t resorting him because of “I love” and “10 Bands” which I thought were good songs but weren’t his best. But there are soo many other good songs his did weather it’s storytelling, what’s going on, just for fun or even just a regular fire song
@wayne2746
@wayne2746 5 лет назад
Danny Sirota yeah not really lol. Eminem has featured and co-signed a few rappers that aren’t anywhere near legends in this game. His stamp of approval is pretty weak.
@BeeMoneyTV1
@BeeMoneyTV1 Год назад
Imagine a rapper and some one telling you , you put to much emphasis on technical ability in a freestyle that is supposed to flex your technical ability that’s what you supposed to do
@connorr7951
@connorr7951 4 года назад
Joyner Lucas is one of the most underrated rappers that I know of.
@storiesforsuccess3102
@storiesforsuccess3102 5 лет назад
Joyner is raw af. The guy shreds, he’s original, and he can switch styles at the drop of a hat. Some people are going to hate no matter how good you are. It’d be dope if other real artists wanna checkout “Tainted Souls” on my channel & lemme know what ya think. Thanks peeps. P.S. I’m a nerd & proud of it so if ya call me corny as if I wasn’t aware you’re wasting time.
@evanbiter5969
@evanbiter5969 5 лет назад
I think it's the 10 Bandz shit that people hate. Back words and ultrasound were dope af.
@GBOLil3
@GBOLil3 5 лет назад
You should of because they made a comparison with Cheetos so you dodged a bullet
@shawnanderson466
@shawnanderson466 5 лет назад
@@aliblessed1293 I like Joyner but I gotta say this is a cool comment...u might have a point for real...
@aliblessed1293
@aliblessed1293 5 лет назад
Shawn Anderson thanks bro these days people are always labeled a hater if they don’t agree and it’s like No I acknowledge his talent but where’s his creativity or original expression the best rappers or artist in general to me always either challenged the statue quo or changed it all together.
@izan6366
@izan6366 5 лет назад
I like joyner but his music has been so filler recently
@tomoakley760
@tomoakley760 4 года назад
So basically: Conscious rapper = "he's corny" Technical rapper = "he's shallow" I'm starting to think a rapper who isn't 'mainstream rap' is just gonna get dunked on no matter what they do. Imo anything other than mainstream nightclub rap should be respected simply for not chasing the easiest bucks.
@FunkMasterUFC
@FunkMasterUFC 4 года назад
Deadass facts!!
@jueezzzz
@jueezzzz 4 года назад
Ikr
@oisoisoisois6735
@oisoisoisois6735 4 года назад
Nah that’s completely untrue. He’s technically skilled but he does absolutely nothing interesting with it. He’s conscious but being conscious doesn’t mean that his music is amazing just because it has a meaning. His beats are boring, his flow is uninteresting and his “I think I’m the savior of hip-hop” attitude is unbearable
@salatyell
@salatyell 4 года назад
Oisín Brew-Dinan “does absolutely nothing with it”??? Songs like “I’m not racist” or “I’m sorry” (hell, that whole project) had a massive impact in the culture and society. Just because you and other guys didn’t feel it, it don’t mean you now have the power to label it “corny”. People like you are just annoying. Just entitled af! You need to understand that just bc an artist doesn’t please you it doesn’t cancel the fact that millions of other people (including legends) find him amazing! His music is “not interesting” for you, not the community! His beats “are boring” for you, not the community. His attitude is “unbearable” for you, not the community. You’re literally NO ONE to talk for the community! Focus on your craft instead of trying to invalidate someone else’s just because you don’t fk with it
@charlesjefferson4372
@charlesjefferson4372 4 года назад
If you genuinely believe anything that's not mainstream is getting dunked on, you need to vastly expand your playlist because this is simply not true at all. Just because people find guys like Hopsin, NF, or Joyner corny doesn't mean it's because they're "conscious" Black Thought, Royce Da 5'9, Kxng Crook, MF Doom, are a few of many rappers who are the furthest from mainstream yet receive nigh unanimous respect and praise from the entriery of the hip hop community. If anything, the inverse is more the truth. Anything thats mainstream gets dunked on because it's mainstream and you literally prove this in your comment by saying anything thats not mainstream automatically warrants respect.
@xeniagalicia3708
@xeniagalicia3708 3 года назад
"even when streets called me corny i still ain't never let the hate break me" - will smith
@71497crazydude
@71497crazydude 4 года назад
Honestly no one can compare to Joyner even Busta admitted he hasn't heard music like Joyners in over 20 years Joyner connects his words on a different level when he raps you can hear consistency in his bars you can feel the intensity of his emotions he doesn't rap songs he tells stories
@JustAnotherHipHopHead
@JustAnotherHipHopHead 5 лет назад
Hiphop fans do respect joyner... wtf you on?
@chevychaselove
@chevychaselove 5 лет назад
THANK U
@whoisjjcarr
@whoisjjcarr 5 лет назад
Some hip hop fans
@fartinafuneral
@fartinafuneral 5 лет назад
We don't
@CarlosSchultzMusic
@CarlosSchultzMusic 5 лет назад
Larry Cooper Kharbangar well then you don’t know hip hop 😂
@fartinafuneral
@fartinafuneral 5 лет назад
@@CarlosSchultzMusic I do and you don't
@teombloknighkitus6740
@teombloknighkitus6740 4 года назад
They say their lyrics are "corny" But they listen to a guy say "yeah" and "Gucci Gang" a million times
@oisoisoisois6735
@oisoisoisois6735 4 года назад
Assuming what other people do doesn’t help your argument. I find most (keyword, MOST) of Joyner’s music to be corny and I’m a huge fan of rappers like Kendrick, OutKast, MF DOOM, Aesop Rock, Kanye, J Cole and Black Thought
@justinmurphy6858
@justinmurphy6858 4 года назад
@@oisoisoisois6735 assuming opinions have any real weight doesnt help your argument either. Not sure why you and this video are comparing him to kendrick or cole other than the handful of PC songs he has put out.. while joyner is extremely lyrical he will never have the depth of kendrick.. I don't even think em hits that level of real human depth.. joyner fits better with the likes of big sean in my opinion. Not every rapper needs to be a movement man.. a lot of Joyner best songs to me are songs I bump while driving around and shit.. it's not brainless half spoken garbage, his lyrics are clever and intelligent enough and his flow is great.. shits not gonna end racism, cure diseases or bring about world peace but it's not the same old gang banging drug slanging shit either or some higher than thou poetry slam.. all which have their place in rap.
@oisoisoisois6735
@oisoisoisois6735 4 года назад
Justin Murphy yeah but the reason why people dislike Joyner is because he acts like he’s the savior of rap and any time he tries to do a conscious song it falls flat. And he has tried to make a conscious song way too many times. He just needs to stay in his lane rather than trying to act like he’s some lyrical messiah
@teombloknighkitus6740
@teombloknighkitus6740 4 года назад
@Anthony Salerno true
@Ahmed-tr5cj
@Ahmed-tr5cj 4 года назад
@@oisoisoisois6735 Who's Aesop Rock?
@shaunsebata4798
@shaunsebata4798 Год назад
There is a documentary that once said "The reason why Rap will never be big in Africa is. We can't dance to it." Same goes for conscious rap. If it can't be played in clubs and at parties. Than it will always be for the selected few.
@Heybigtony
@Heybigtony 4 года назад
Joyner is the best out right now he's just starting
@wathtuber300
@wathtuber300 3 года назад
No he is not
@cbv2673
@cbv2673 3 года назад
@@wathtuber300 thank you
@MrTkentgens
@MrTkentgens 5 лет назад
i dont get the "corny" and "hallow lyrics" if thats true then why are mumble rapper so popular, they rap literly about nophing
@MrKobeMonster
@MrKobeMonster 4 года назад
Thibaut Kentgens because they aren’t trying to be the greatest of all time, you’ll never see Migos claiming they’re one of the greats, they know they’re not and just make catchy music. Joyner thinks because he can rap fast that he is a legend but he isn’t, his music lacks substance and again he is corny
@kostasgotsis8555
@kostasgotsis8555 4 года назад
@@MrKobeMonster I could easily consider Joyner being a 10X better rapper than any Mumble rapper, just by listening to "I'm not racist"
@MrKobeMonster
@MrKobeMonster 4 года назад
Kostas Gotsis lol that fucking cornball of a video? Yeah because racism is just so easily simplified like that right? No it isn’t, Joyner tried to deliver a bigger message and failed. Even 21 Savage a so called “mumble rapper” was able to deliver an entire album that was more lyrical than anything Joyner has ever put out. Joyner is hot garbage, he isn’t better than most rappers because he thinks he is hot shit but in reality he is garbage.
@rithbe3988
@rithbe3988 4 года назад
Tason Womo #9/82 #OlReliable #Clutch #GOATs I don’t think you’ve ever heard a Joyner Lucas song if u think 21 savage is better than him Course u can have ur opinion but I disagree
@Irregular1-y7s
@Irregular1-y7s 4 года назад
Tason Womo #9/82 #OlReliable #Clutch #GOATs "cornball" holy shit this guy thinks 21 savage is better than Joyner 😂😂 Fucking clown damn.🎡
@ahviwe
@ahviwe 5 лет назад
Can someone define "corny" for me 🙄🙄😒😒😒
@bulelanitshuma7665
@bulelanitshuma7665 5 лет назад
We know what you're trying to say but it's not coming of as something we'd like to hear, it's just not popping or gripping either.
@loganarthur7101
@loganarthur7101 5 лет назад
It’s something people don’t take serious and frame it as a joke
@ahviwe
@ahviwe 5 лет назад
@@bulelanitshuma7665 Ohhhhhhh.... Mmmhhh
@ahviwe
@ahviwe 5 лет назад
@@Alex-zg9ww 😂 😂 😂 😂 got it. Sounds familiar
@tigermusky765
@tigermusky765 5 лет назад
Eminem
@ritarossweisse_
@ritarossweisse_ 4 года назад
Joyner Lucas is one of the best rappers out there. Respect 🤘
@TyFadedd
@TyFadedd 2 года назад
Lmaoooo
@_Spider4
@_Spider4 8 месяцев назад
no
@AstaIsAMonster
@AstaIsAMonster 3 года назад
I been noticing 23 and younger generation of people are saying lyricist are corny AF now on RU-vid/Twitter these last 6 or 7 years. But they go and praise a lot of these mumble rappers with Lil in front of the names/basic bar vibe rappers that don’t rap about shit or be rapping about the same shit in basically in every damn song. Just this week I’ve seen people on Twitter saying Cole, Pac, Eminem, Joyner, Denzel Curry and a few Kendrick tweets saying they are corny rappers....KENDRICK like WTF is happening.🤦🏻‍♂️
@donaldmusicreacts7430
@donaldmusicreacts7430 5 лет назад
Joyner Lucas speaks the truth in his music and Devil's Work is 1 of them
@jarellrabbanni5467
@jarellrabbanni5467 5 лет назад
i guess the song has a good message it's just the way he addresses the names there with a familiarity that he doesn't actually have as in using those names that people love just so they like him too
@ernieyt7942
@ernieyt7942 5 лет назад
I think Devil's Work is the worst song I've heard from him
@uriel4274
@uriel4274 5 лет назад
TCT i always thought when rapper gets called corny it meant he was trash
@uriel4274
@uriel4274 5 лет назад
Ernest Afoakwah it’s his best song
@MORNINGSTAR190
@MORNINGSTAR190 5 лет назад
In a corny way tho just listen to hospin tbh
@JayLew91
@JayLew91 5 лет назад
Y'all over use the word "corny". He's just not like the other ignorant ratchets (they have their place but you can like both)
@gavidanncarson8816
@gavidanncarson8816 5 лет назад
Real talk fam
@prophecyinthemaking9768
@prophecyinthemaking9768 5 лет назад
@Nathan Gold meek is corny as shit my dude. Sorry to be the one to break it to you
@MarA-bn7ub
@MarA-bn7ub 5 лет назад
Nathan Gold God forbid a rapper puts effort into his art or else its seen as “trying too hard” & “corny.” You’d rather listen to lyrics that were created in 10 minutes right?
@patrickcampbell4137
@patrickcampbell4137 5 лет назад
Marlene Motionless Kendrick isn’t corny Earl sweatshirt isn’t corny Joey badass isn’t corny and they all put effort into every project.
@motionlessvagabond
@motionlessvagabond 4 года назад
Marlene Motionless there are people who can make godly verses and 10 minutes, but I get what you’re trying to say.
@jesus1421
@jesus1421 3 года назад
"make some room"-joyner
@XLikeaBoss23X
@XLikeaBoss23X 4 года назад
He’s definitely one of my favorites just needs to drop more
@seamusgreenmurphy
@seamusgreenmurphy 4 года назад
“Yeah mumble rap isn’t deep but it sounds cool” Whatta bout Joyner Lucas? “Nah he’s not deep”
@homelander39
@homelander39 4 года назад
He's not a mumble rapper
@zombielife1712
@zombielife1712 4 года назад
I hate when people say that, not like joyner doesnt have songs about abortion, suicide and racial issues among many other things for example "i'm sorry" a song made by joyner where it starts out speaking in the eyes of someone who is struggling saying things about how he tried then the second verse is in the eyes of someone who lost someone due to suicide
@lulu7304
@lulu7304 4 года назад
😄 😂
@PharaohTheBlerd
@PharaohTheBlerd 4 года назад
That shit don't sound cool it sounds like they retarded
@PeterGriffin-jk8iq
@PeterGriffin-jk8iq 4 года назад
@@PharaohTheBlerd then go listen to lil pump or trippie redd
@corneliusblake-star4898
@corneliusblake-star4898 4 года назад
Why can't we just enjoy music, why is everyone a critic?
@TheNicksta72
@TheNicksta72 4 года назад
Cornelius Blake-Star fax somebody always has something to say
@quintesencho2947
@quintesencho2947 4 года назад
Thank you
@dangodjango
@dangodjango 4 года назад
criticism's important for a community, if there is no criticism the medium stagnates. Sometimes rappers need to get killed by the public to recognize their faults and evolve and if we go by this, it kinda goes both ways because most joyner fans despise the existence of most new, popular rappers. It would be cool if people focused on learning the appeals of music they don't like but that's just kind of a pipe-dream
@raees13677
@raees13677 4 года назад
@@dangodjango bro shut up did you really just criticize a comment criticising criticism?
@dangodjango
@dangodjango 4 года назад
@@raees13677 Now you've criticized my comment criticizing a comment on criticism so you're just as bad as me, join the club
@justindeforest8675
@justindeforest8675 4 года назад
Damn bro u literally took your whole blog, almost verbatim, from Joe Budden. Hope u give him credit for every thought u had in this blog
@wizardlyweiser1416
@wizardlyweiser1416 4 года назад
He is very underrated i will say, whenever i mention him my friends are like, "who is that"? I love joyner and i hope more people start to acknowledge how good of an artist he is.
@Morphium.
@Morphium. 5 лет назад
Honestly I disagree with what you say and think the message of the video doesn't make sense. You criticize Joyner for hollow messages, but then his songs with a message are "corny" (a word you really overused btw). Overall this talk about "messages" is pretty dumb. Nearly all of the "rappers" today talk about drugs and money with a few exceptions and they do not have ANY technical or lyrical skill to offer. Then why is it suddenly bad when Joyner shows his skills on songs like the Gucci Gang Remix, even though it has no strong message (btw. I have a similar view on Kamikaze)? You also completely ignored his amazing storytelling in e.g. Ross Cappacioni. Another thing that bothers me is what you even mean by "respected". Do you really think the overall succes makes a rapper great and respected? You are clearly mistaken. Rapping great on a technical and lyrical level makes is more important then to appeal to the mainstream.
@statureparkour962
@statureparkour962 5 лет назад
I agree commentator guys a dick head Joyner is sick as fuck and 110% can rap!
@grandmaster4521
@grandmaster4521 4 года назад
Uhh just in case you didn’t know he’s not giving his opinion on Joyner at all. He’s just using information of other opinions to make a RU-vid video explaining it.
@brandoncosbyjr.7097
@brandoncosbyjr.7097 4 года назад
Lyrical rap in general is corny by this logic. The mainstream listeners listen to all that mumble rap trash, and honestly I think Kendrick hasn't been labeled corny because everyone loved the hook in "Humble". Honestly at this point you're doing things right if your music isn't getting out on the radio because I these guy's case it means that their message is too deep for the general public. They'd rather jam out to popping pills and gun violence
@priscillowendy748
@priscillowendy748 4 года назад
@@grandmaster4521 look up researcher bias. I respect his work but I think he is looking at it in a very specific point.
@fritos6064
@fritos6064 4 года назад
I'm not listening to a man who says logics in his prime
@velishqiptar233
@velishqiptar233 4 года назад
He was being sarcastic
@unknownperson-vw7zx
@unknownperson-vw7zx 3 года назад
@@velishqiptar233 u sure about that
@velishqiptar233
@velishqiptar233 3 года назад
@@unknownperson-vw7zx yes
@GustavoHenrique-tg8dw
@GustavoHenrique-tg8dw 3 года назад
Man, actually both already made a song together, it's solved
@berealbud2963
@berealbud2963 4 года назад
This guys inability to come up with a concrete argument is corny
@tigersharkgaming8597
@tigersharkgaming8597 4 года назад
BeReal Bud for real
@14JoeThompson
@14JoeThompson 4 года назад
I love Joyner’s music. I think he’s about to explode into the mainstream. Hope he gets his Grammy!
@_Spider4
@_Spider4 8 месяцев назад
never too corny
@Jay-rv6ef
@Jay-rv6ef 7 месяцев назад
How do you feel about him now?
@lamontgraves3900
@lamontgraves3900 5 лет назад
I'm 47 so one thing I truly enjoy is lucus. I can understand everything he says and can feel where he is coming from. Tru MC
@Brhudsonjr
@Brhudsonjr 4 года назад
Same here 4real!!
@riggedrll7569
@riggedrll7569 5 лет назад
“CORNY”?? “DO YOU LISTEN TO MUSIC OR DO YOU SKIM THROUGH IT?”(JAY-Z)
@DrTae233
@DrTae233 2 месяца назад
One thing I always wondered is why do people consider Joyner "corny". Ngl I've never heard a bar where I thought Joyner this sounds corny or seen him do anything corny. I just saw people call him and corny and most people never tend to have a reason. It's kinda a dissapointment coz joyner sounds good and has good lyrics
@stephanierodriguez8287
@stephanierodriguez8287 4 года назад
Joyner is one of my favorite lyrical rappers now a days. Reason being is that he raps about different subject and opinions. If you listen to all his music you would see why. You rarely hear songs that sound alike, or be about the same subject. Unlike most of these other rappers that rap about money, sex, drugs and power. The same thing nothing new....if you’re not a Joyner fan than you’re ignorant because this man is very talented! 🙏🏼💙
@Fullmetaltracer
@Fullmetaltracer 5 лет назад
nobody is totally perfect he has a downside just like any artist nobody is "universally" loved where i live people find j cole corny and kendrick too what you are saying is basically pointless the man is talented and making a living off what he loves good for him foh
@perrytheplatypus4709
@perrytheplatypus4709 5 лет назад
this is how to look at lyrical rappers - denzel and jid are loved because they are real and they don't preach. they talk aboit issues in a personal way and you can relate to them. joyner and logic oreach at you and want you to change
@ranelborja681
@ranelborja681 5 лет назад
that's the take!
@mylesmikieal
@mylesmikieal 5 лет назад
I'm assuming, the more preachy the more corny
@SuperMisteryMan01
@SuperMisteryMan01 5 лет назад
Myles Em TV it really depends how the rapper comes off in their style and delivery.
@japanrocksgousa
@japanrocksgousa 5 лет назад
Explain how devils work wants you to change.
@gonzo2495
@gonzo2495 5 лет назад
Give me an example...how did joyner want someone to change?
@AlexGrtner
@AlexGrtner 4 года назад
I just wanna exactly when being good at rapping became a disadvantage to a rappers career...
@mastequila85
@mastequila85 4 года назад
It's simple the Time man...... How can I have a Generation that doesn't understand M..... C'mon man I'm a father with 2 kids and M , Logic , Joyner, Kendrick, YBN Cordae speak to me like I was a 15 year old in the 90's .. Buy it don't resonate in today's Gen. Ive worked hard with my older son to show him the Genre we call hip-hop and he dont resonate as much as I wish we could with all these rappers. He's on Xxx , juice world . Not knocking them cuz even I appreciate those dudes. But its hard for me to keep my son invested in rappers like Joyner. But I'm the end we can't let this hip hop die . THIS IS THE WAY and we have to show this gen what Hip hop came from and what artist keep that old school feel alive.
@pablouzy7248
@pablouzy7248 4 года назад
Mastequila85 im 12 and i would want the same like all these kids are listening to whack ass rappers that just talk about drugs and hoes for days its kinda cringe and the kids that listen to them most of them are white ( im not black neither but) its cringe watching michael jackson color people thinking their the shit when they probably ask mommy for the milk bottle still
@badrobotNG
@badrobotNG 5 лет назад
Corny; a cryptic way of saying someone is not hood enough. A term mostly used by haters.
@thedavisdimension
@thedavisdimension 5 лет назад
Basically
@moegreene7940
@moegreene7940 5 лет назад
I see more and more fake ass suburban kids use it because they “think they hood”
@mrxexes
@mrxexes 5 лет назад
@@moegreene7940 Young white kids grow up wanting to be hard, but most of them grow out of it bout time they reach college. The problem with us blacks is that to us its not just a teenage phase, we actually think its a lifestyle and wind up living like that late into their 20's even some into their 30's like a big ass goofball. One thing white kids got into is the drug rap culture, via the lil Peeps and lil Xans of the world. Some Blacks got into it, especially with the lean, but not as heavy as them..
@RICO_SUAVE_86_
@RICO_SUAVE_86_ 5 лет назад
mrxexes Facts. J. Cole touched on this too
@tshengienkomo4329
@tshengienkomo4329 5 лет назад
Thank you 👏👏👏👏
@shotbynolan1705
@shotbynolan1705 5 лет назад
I think his respected as a Emcee. Joyner doesn’t have a consistent discography at this point. He’s mostly known for his viral music videos and freestyles. The quote from The Ringer is accurate about Logic recent content.
@tlhalefoleshomo6732
@tlhalefoleshomo6732 5 лет назад
they dont have depth man thats it.. they dont know what they talking about
@shawnanderson466
@shawnanderson466 5 лет назад
👏👏👏......another person who actually makes sense....👌
@Jay-eg9mv
@Jay-eg9mv 3 года назад
People be bumpin lil pump and 69 and then have the audacity to say Logic and Joyner don’t have depth
@austinlittle4576
@austinlittle4576 3 года назад
No one is still bumping lil pump and 69.
@MRKITTY-yi5iw
@MRKITTY-yi5iw 3 года назад
Bruh the only people listening to lil pump and 69 are 9 year olds lmao
@TheBreezus
@TheBreezus 4 года назад
Joyner is dope. He has already reached that place that I'll check out pretty much anything he'll put out, he just has a great versatile flow. ADHD is album of the yr so far.
@louiemimis598
@louiemimis598 4 года назад
"I'm sorry" will forever be one of my fav rap songs. The message of that song is simply amazing. Even better than Logic's attempt imo. It just hits deeper. It feels more true / realistic. Also, his remix of Bank account it definitely my fav remix !
@Rey.mc93
@Rey.mc93 5 лет назад
Because "hip hop" = the system. "the system" is against positive messages and positive role models for the youth. The system is against the people but we the people support joyner 100%.
@skll2081
@skll2081 4 года назад
💯💯💯
@wm_9640
@wm_9640 4 года назад
Very true, I agree. Just further proves the point that people are sheeple. Yeah, corporate heavily pushes overall negativity, but last time I checked no one was pointing a gun to our heads saying “you must listen to X or Y.” Corporate is only as powerful as we let them be.
@LMNP
@LMNP 4 года назад
People don't like him because he proves that you can still rap without using a random word regenerator to fill in a 2 minute beat.
@jaredanthony2344
@jaredanthony2344 Год назад
no not at all people don’t like him cause he cries about adhd 24/7 💀
@newajseyes
@newajseyes 4 года назад
Who is his video about? Joyner or Logic?
@nicholasjarrett2055
@nicholasjarrett2055 4 года назад
Joyner’s music isn’t for the simple minded. Literally all his song tell a VIVID story.
@thewitbew6042
@thewitbew6042 4 года назад
Alright buddy calm down
@codeytherex5954
@codeytherex5954 4 года назад
Its for Eminem fans
@daniellopez732
@daniellopez732 4 года назад
MF DOOM is complex. This is just some words put together by a guy who thinks he’s good.
@godimready2go
@godimready2go 4 года назад
Lmaoooo no it’s just boring
@nicholasjarrett2055
@nicholasjarrett2055 4 года назад
Y’all are under my comment? Why? Because you were interested in the video that involved who ? Joyner Lucas. Get off my shit if you don’t support the man. Don’t watch him if you don’t support him
@johnnytaylor289
@johnnytaylor289 4 года назад
I don't see nuthin' corny bout a lyrical rapper. Anyone that does don't know hip hop!
@oisoisoisois6735
@oisoisoisois6735 4 года назад
Johnny Taylor being lyrical doesn’t mean that you can completely disregard other elements of your music. Joyner’s flow is boring at times, some of his music is just Fake Deep, and he acts like he’s a savior of hip-hop
@jaylenwest4941
@jaylenwest4941 4 года назад
Oisín Brew-Dinan u understood that u answered to a 5 months old comment?
@thewitbew6042
@thewitbew6042 4 года назад
Notice iOS nice argument but that doesn’t mean shit
@Jay-pt9fy
@Jay-pt9fy 4 года назад
@ Johnny Taylor I cant believe we live in a world where Tekashi 69 is bigger than Joyner Lucas.😂
@oisoisoisois6735
@oisoisoisois6735 4 года назад
Jay well they aren’t really comparable since 6ix9ine’s popularity has more to do with his online persona and his trolling than his music. If Joyner was doing the shit 6ix9ine was doing he’d likely be in a similar position
@MonstaRoe
@MonstaRoe 4 года назад
People say J Cole is boring not corny it’s a big difference. @Hiphopmadness
@embex5islive
@embex5islive 3 года назад
Joynet is just to raw. I was listening to him today. My man is not scared to say anything especially the needed and that's why I'm a fan
@aryaman1490
@aryaman1490 4 года назад
Yo this guy has no idea what he's talking about
@steven9937
@steven9937 5 лет назад
Imagine thinking joyner is corny have u listened to more then 2 of his song? Everything said about every artist mentioned in this video isnt backed up by actual facts.
@yeeyeebubba1885
@yeeyeebubba1885 4 года назад
Steven G ya he corny he’s just very unoriginal and over saturates his topics with lack of concept and creativity
@average.travis.stan.
@average.travis.stan. 2 года назад
Bruh how u gonna say Joyner Lucas don’t get respect and then put lil pump in the thumbnail
@headspill
@headspill 3 года назад
In all honesty I just feel he needs to get his act together in regards to how he’s promoting music. I understand that this year obviously had an impact on the album, but ADHD was delayed way too many times, Joyner announced the album back in 2018, and the release date kept getting pushed until in 2020 when it finally dropped. I wanna see this man grow, but like he really shouldn’t have released half the album before it was supposed to drop. It seemed like his excitement for the album was ahead of its own production, and that’s understandable but I don’t think a bit of patience would hurt. The Evolution project however was definitely a step in the right direction for him.
@intellygent-alienking5651
@intellygent-alienking5651 4 года назад
He's respected by artists that actually stood the test of time with their lyricism, delivery, and overall skill. This generation doesn't care about that as much sadly.
@issavibez394
@issavibez394 Год назад
They preach garbage 🗑
@joshuahoffman2195
@joshuahoffman2195 5 лет назад
This is stupid! Joyner Lucas is 🔥🔥🔥. Logic is 🔥🔥🔥. Eminem is a 🐐.
@elijahwetting2685
@elijahwetting2685 5 лет назад
I don't think logic is good or that em is the goat but ok
@joshuahoffman2195
@joshuahoffman2195 5 лет назад
Elijah Wetting opinions. I said Eminem is A Goat Not “the” Goat but again opinions.
@elijahwetting2685
@elijahwetting2685 5 лет назад
@@joshuahoffman2195 fair enough
@kunalpathak7849
@kunalpathak7849 5 лет назад
@@elijahwetting2685 have u listened to under pressure album by logic If not just give these songs a try "soul food" and "under pressure (song)" The whole album is dope "Nikki" is great too give them a try
@grantsherwin3895
@grantsherwin3895 5 лет назад
@@kunalpathak7849 the album is good but wtf are you talking about nikki is the worst song on the album. Who tf writes a song about being addicted to cigs? 🤡🤣
@themotherfuckingpodcast2028
@themotherfuckingpodcast2028 3 года назад
If rather be viewed as corny while trying to create actual music and art and not just slurring a bunch of words over a beat. The same people calling him corny are the same ones that will leave the fan base of someone they think is not corny quick
@AstaIsAMonster
@AstaIsAMonster 3 года назад
Facts especially what you said in the last sentence you made just look at lil pump he knows he is becoming irrelevant by the day. So what did he do a few weeks ago starts trashing Eminem like he is wack just to be in the spotlight again for a few days because his fans are leaving him and he knows it.smh He should have listened ta Cole advice a few years ago “1985”
@talhaimran9588
@talhaimran9588 4 года назад
Waiting for the day people see what me and other Joyner fans see in him
@LunarPilgr1m
@LunarPilgr1m 5 лет назад
Yesterday on his concert Snoop Dogg was rapping with him.
@PSC4.1
@PSC4.1 4 года назад
Miller Zalan wait fr?
@rsavxo
@rsavxo 5 лет назад
When the video said 'Eminem is considered corny', I knew it was time to leave.
@Sadeye92
@Sadeye92 4 года назад
Imagine telling Big Pun “Can you tone it down on the technical rapping?” LMFAO When the fuck did being phenomenal at rapping become a bad thing?????
@saintbabylon7250
@saintbabylon7250 3 года назад
I always wondered why some of the most obvious talented rappers when it comes to wordplay, storytelling & just having a very large vocabulary to play with always feel the need to start relying on making songs and writing bars that shoot down other artist who are in a totally different lane eventually which starts pushing on that corny rapper list. I agree that it gets old fast especially when Em started doing it again recently which only made him seem really outdated and showed his age in hip hop more than it made him refreshing & hip when he first did it with more of a humorous don’t really give af attitude & approach. When in his most recent tracks where he’s dissing artist like less than half his age he seems bitter, angry that they are even popular which makes it seem like that’s his reason for attacking them. Logic been known to resort to it, and forget Hopsin literally relies off of mentioning how he feels about rappers below him. Just very odd how when the stories run low on telling they start flexing on others in the rap game instead of flexing or calling out more real relatable issues listeners don’t feel corny vibing along too.
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