Why Dr. Casey Means Changed Her Mind on Eating a Plant-Based Diet 

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Her understanding continues to evolve and that’s fantastic because she will bring her followers along on the journey with her.

She explained this Brilliantly! Their truly is a disconnection! Food sourcing and Food quality is super important! The problem is the availability of organically grown and pasture-raised is getting harder and super expensive to source! I've studied all of this as a Nutritionist and she is 100% spot on about everything! Food is truly the foundation to optimal health and longevity! Food influences DNA and builds the cells in our bodies! So its so important to eat as much fresh whole food as possible! Eating times and sleep times definitely play a role too.

I recently read the book because somebody recommended it to my dad. Every recipe in the back are loaded with oxalates and anti-nutrients. And she recommended 50 grams of fiber a day. These by themselves would be horrible for people with kidney and digestive issues.

She is totally correct about our industrialized food. I’m terrible at gardening but I’m trying!! Grocery stores have rubber type food, round up contaminated, just to name two!

After 40 years Vegetarian,finally woke up Early 2023. Now very close to full Carnivore-Red meat,Eggs,Butter forming 95% of what I consume.

Many years ago I also tried vegetarian diet, it made me so weak physically and mentally. Then I moved on to keto and I feel much better. In recent years my diet is mostly carnivore, and it's the best decision I've made!

Watch the movie "The Biggest Little Farm" to appreciate the relationship between animals , plants and humans. A young couple from the city turn a desolate piece of land into a beautiful farm ecosystem. It's a great family movie and a true story.

Animal based whole food diet is the healthiest for the human body.

She still missed the issue that these plants also contain their own anti nutrients, along with the GMO and pesticides. This is a MAJOR factor in the decline of human health. The man made toxic pesticides and GMOs kill your own gut bugs and are damaging us on a cellular level. I think Dr. Stephanie Seneff at MIT would be a good person to interview.

Love Casey, she’s SO smart & explains things so well! Also love the idea of once a week Sunday night to Tuesday morning fast!

I'm glad Casey changed her mind. Meat is our heritage and is nutrient dense with high bioavailability of said nutrients unlike plants where the nutrients are not accessible to us, and are full of damaging naturally occurring defense chemicals, so even organic plants are a slow poison. They're not natural anyway - they are engineered. Jesse, you should interview Lierre Kieth for more on this.

I just eat Fatty Beef and Fatty Lamb and leave the garbage food and plants for others to eat. Simple

What an interesting, logical view by this lady Dr. I enjoyed listening to her so much, thank you. I am a carnivore, I have seen engineering calculations showing that carbon footprint of raising cattle to provide all human needs are less than vegan footprint of modern agriculture. This fact somehow escapes these who try to be “green”, most of not all of them, are not educated to understand it.

I usually eat red meat, with pork and chicken 1-2 times a week. I include a considerable amount of animal fat because it is so good. I naturally only want food 2 times a day - noon and 6 or 7 pm. I am doing so good.

We used a mix of compost and chicken poop as fertilizer in our garden in Poland. We grew veggies, berries, fruits and flowers. I miss that quality of food in the US.

I trust the 4-chambered digestive system of a cow to adequately process our food into their tissues, vs. us taking food straight from the ground.

Joel salatin has videos on how animals and agriculture can be beneficial to both. Therefore, beneficial to us.?

Dr Casey was on Jillian Michaels podcast (the Biggest loser hypocrite) recently. I only watched half bc I can’t abide Jillian. She’s just SO painful.😨 Anyway, the other visiting doctor dude - and Jillian totally lost their shit at the mere suggestion of people not eating “the colors of the rainbow”!! Shit also lost towards Anyone saying plants were anti-nutrients!! The other doctor claimed ‘anti nutrient’ was ridiculous premise, 100% made up and not a thing at all. Full disclosure, I do eat vegetables sometimes, but it’s not every day. I just happen to crave them occasionally. I WAS vegetarian for 15 years BUT now thriving on “soft” carnivore. I eat lots of variety meat, fish, farm fresh eggs) danish blue cheese, heavy cream (non pasteurized), goat yogurt, organic coffee, Kerry gold butter. I had the feeling Dr Casey would have been terrified to admit how meat heavy she actually is to scary Jillian and the weedy looking Dr Dude

As we are the top of the food chain (cycle) we eat the animal as we can’t healthily digest the plant

So thrilled to see her speaking up. If you want to see yourself, you should. You can smell and feel the dead in a cultivated field. Walk out in it. It feels like a parking lot.

I'm predominantly Carnivore & I'm definitey deficient in food fillers.

This is great to know… I just finished Casey Means book and I was wondering about her plant based food recipes in the back of her book.. good to see she has changed to a meat 🍖 based diet..

Sounds like her Oxalate load may be pretty high. Nuts and seeds are not your friend 😢

Good for her and the new understandings. I started as a kid with yoga, meditation, vegetarian/vegan (about 6 years), growing wheatgrass, making granola, sprouts, etc. That was 1973. So by now I have 45 years' professional experience designing eco-communities, organic farms, lived in multi-home spiritual retreat working community starting 1979 and was the food growing coordinator (huge gardens, drying, canning, tofu making, orchard, raising Salmon, etc.) and have a team. The holistic approach of raising plants and animals together is the way to go.......any farming operation should be measured by "is our food growing and land stewarding building the soils and improving the land/habitat (including for wildlife) happening as we go?". Having also lived on 23 acre organic farm on those on our design team having lived, worked, designed and built these type operations in several countries....yes, this all is possible! Great video and thanks for sharing on your channel.

It's crazy how many veggies (& a variety of them to boot) a vegan or a plant-leaning person needs to eat in a day to get an adequate amount of protein.

Casey, I'd recommend a 90 day trial of the Carnivore 'diet'. ❤ ( If you do, wean off the plant material slowly first though)

Every vegetable and is bastardized. None of these you'll find in nature. When you're dropped in a huge forest all the vegetation is on the non-food list, except some berries. We're not really omnivores.

With her level of education, I'm amazed she was vegan.

I was driving to North Carolina from Virginia and on 1 side of the highway was a huge Corn field and on the other side was the Great Dismal Swamp. All I could think about was on my right side was the swamp which is teaming with life and the left side was the Corn field which is totally dead except for the Corn. It's so sad.

Good dr casey changed her views Follow heavy animal based diet go hunting raise my own calves so no animal suffering and eat some seasonal plants i can grow go to farmers market buy some reginative farms pretty much self sufficient People just have to do best they can Buy highest quality food they can afford when work out what works for your bodey you so much more energy you never get sick

So many tweetable comments. Love watching the ongoing revelation of proper diet.

I can't believe you didn't challenge her on plant defense chemicals and anti-nutrients

Plant protein is a poor choice for humans. It's not particularly bioavailable. Animal protein is what we're designed for.

I know why you teed up the "why 30-50 grams of protein" question and she missed the real answer, so I thought I'd chime in. The reason she wants 30-50 grams of protein per meal is because in order to get the 25% thermogenic effect of protein, it requires the body to start muscle protein synthesis. And since this is such an energy intensive process, a protein threshold has to be met before it will begin. That number is in the 30-35 gram range. By eating 30-50 grams of protein per meal, she's stimulating muscle protein synthesis at each eating event. Also, saturated fat is more satiating than protein since we have three hormones that respond to it. But protein is also satiating. I dunno man, I've seen a lot of your guests and just am able to put together what they say. Can I come on the show and just synthesize what all these people are saying? Also, it would be interesting to hear Dr. Casey discuss what the anti-nutrients are doing for her in the vegetables she eats from her high quality veggies. If the nutrients are there in force, so are the anti-nutrients.

I started a full vegan diet nearly 2 months ago. As of today I’ve lost 16lbs, my blood pressure is lower than it’s ever been, and the severe knee pain I was experiencing is completely gone. That said, I do miss some foods that I used to enjoy but after watching this I want to evaluate my meals.

True about industrialised farming but WRONG about a plant based diet is healthy. It isnt.

Processed food manufacturers need to hear from consumers that less ADDED chemicals, sugar, oil and salt is wanted in their food products. Why is there so much ADDED sugar in everything, even bread. That's just crazy Email, text, tweet or phone your favorite producer of poison and let them know consumers want less salt, oils and sugars in their products. Let their customer service department know that all the extra added salt, oil and sugar is not necessary or desired and is causing health issues. Reduce or eliminate highly processed food from your diet if you can.

I do both blood and breath ketone monitor, the breath ones are much more useful for rapid feedback. no strips and no pricks. Various studies have found them to be well correlated overall with BHB but with a time lag. While my wife is not going keto, she has started using my breath meter first thing in the morning to see if she burned fat at night, so it can be useful for plant-based diets as well.

It's interesting that without any planning my meal times are structured around the same time as yours , as to say once we have reset our body it knows the way it wants to work and will lead on into our consciousness

Interesting! I used to listen to her when she first came on the scene. Then I heard her in a video with another doctor say she was mainly plant based. I was floored and quit listening to her. Snake in the grass? I do not understand how someone in the low carb community can justify being plant based. If you're against eating animals then grow up and eat healthy.

so glad you "woke up". everything else you are saying in the interview is old news

Jesse you should have asked her about her cholesterol profile. I saw her in an interview with Dr. Ludwig and she said her HDL was 100. At that time, I do not know if she was still vegan, but i would have liked to see the impact on her profile on her new diet. She did say her LDL was generally good in the interview but she did not give a measurement

Trust mankind to screw it all up, we can be our own worst enemy.

As a whole food plant-based vegan for 29 years, I appreciate what Casey is saying about soil depletion & our industrialized food system. (I’ve been aware of these problems since she was in diapers, ha.) And if people choose to eat animals, I would much rather them eat animals who have not spent a lifetime being abused. I do disagree with her conclusion, however. Why not just encourage people who are plant-based to eat organic whenever possible, to grow as much of their own food as they can, & to avoid ultra-processed vegan foods? Not easy, perhaps, but fairly simple. Regenerative farms in which plants & animals work synergistically is ideal, surely, but who says those animals must be slaughtered? It’s certainly not necessary for anyone’s health to eat dead animals, or their secretions. I’m living proof, as are millions of others.

I don't know how she can do any fasting while eating any carbs at all...

Research prolamines being the major polypeptides in plants. Prolamines are more difficult to digest into the individual amino acids (protein) so are less bioavailable than animal based proteins.

There is no need for humans to be eating any plants Casey. My food eats those

Jesse you really need to do an indept interview with Dr Mary Ruddick and her story of recovering from veganism.

Yes, I think we should acknowledge and respect out interconnectedness and start eating...each other.

OMG, she's literally making the "Circle of Life" argument ... as though that extends to the shrink wrapped cutlets on the supermarket shelves. :) Advocating for a return to the "old ways", never mind that there's not enough land on the planet to feed our population in that manner. Besides which, even "depleted" plants still have all the nutrients we need. This woman needs to keep learning ...

It will be a banner day when she discovers the importance of physics interacting with bio chemistry

Farmers are between a rock and a hard spot. Since the Reagan agric reforms small family owned farms increasingly find it impossible to make a profit. Larger and larger crop sizes are required for the small margins to stay afloat. Many farmers are switching from wheat to corn as well because the yields with corn are increasing at a faster rate than yields with wheat.

Thank you for this. My question in the face of information like this is how to feed 8bn+ people with healthy food. The sort of food-growing methodologies she describes produce prices only a small minority in the West can afford. That means health is too expensive for most. Which means we need to change how we do society from the ground up to bring this sort of food to everyone affordably. The second question that follows is carrying capacity. For example, my back-of-the-envelope calculations show about quarter to half an acre available per person in England of land. And that would mean no parks, nor roaming land, etc. This is a problem across much of Western Europe, if not most. So this is a huge problem.

In the past, farmers let their fields rest every seven years. It was a biblical principal taught to Israel by God himself.

A tomato is 90+% water. All the pesticides and fertilizers we used are water soluble, by necessity, to spread on and absorbed by the plants. Do you think there is a chance that the water in the vegetable, if it is industrial farmed, isn't full of residuals of pesticides and fertilizes. Plants dont have livers. We have livers and we still cant expel the toxins in their totality.

We need to get rid of the term plant-based because it can mean anything anyone wants it to mean, so it's useless unless deliberately used to mislead

I have a lot of respect for Dr Means. I am curious how she would respond to T. Colin Campbell’s The China Study and his claims that animal protein is linked to cancer.

Humans aren't plant eaters

This interview goes to show we should NOT be listening to self proclaimed health guru's like her, because they keep their views all the time, proving they know squat themselves and should not be doling advice..... That said, it's nice to hear she has finally come to her senses about that plantbased BS...

Interesting...I remember her being quite vocal about her being "plant-based" - and it wasn't all that long ago. When a lot of other People already knew better. I think I'd rather keep listening to those people...

To garden now is a lot more challenging! We’re up against what others are putting into the environment. Our farmers are spraying poisons that kill our pollinators. Last year they sprayed to control a moth and this year we hardly see any bees, or butterflies. The vegetables are not growing as well as they used to so I feel as though it’s a hopeless exercise.

Casey NAILED IT as usual! Brilliant!

Whenever I see a brand that uses regenerative farming practices I support them.

How did this Stanford trained top performing Dr not know about the depleted soils? It’s not a new or relatively new concept: it’s been reported on for decades

Placating the haters; she opens with, “I think there’s absolutely a way to have a metabolically healthy plant-based diet”

Every time she says “ya know”, I drink a shot of melted beef tallow.

Learn more about Oxalates................reduce high-oxalate veg/fruit/nuts.

Success leaves clues. My grandmother lived to 101... My grandfather to 93..... And both without excercise. They were omnivores.

I would input from my experience that eliminating plant carbs would also be a similar solution to fasting. One could argue it is because of the vegetable carbs that she really needs to fast to offset their negative effect. IE/ Vegetable carbs converting to glucose (sugar) in the blood by the liver. Seems a bit redundant to eat a large amounts of plant based material. Also, the satiation trigger described by Casey credited to protein sources is actually from the animal fat she eats. The muscle building can be credited to al sources of protein. I feel confident she will get there as she has already worked out so much compared to where she started. Earth's microbiome is paramount to protect, so she is way ahead on sustainability. I look forward to hearing more from her and seeing what influence JFK Jr achieves via influencing government.

I get her concerns... I wished that she didn't use the term "fossil fuels." Petroleum is not the product of decaying organic matter..... That is a detractor, but then again.... all of that plant based eating may have knocked her thinking processes down a bit...

I recommend avoiding fish oil capsules due to aldehydes. Check out the research conducted by Pim Janson and Professor Bart Kay.

Brawndo has what plants crave.

I agree with her completely, but the problem is, eating healthfully is more and more difficult every day. The powers that ought not to be are taking over our food, water and air supply. We have no choices in certain places…

Obsession of any kind is a problem especially seen in veganism. Your body already knows what it wants, the entire struggle happens when you don't listen to it. Instead you become obsessed with being "healthy" while the truth is the "Fear" is what propels you, not the love for being healthy itself. you try to figure things out with the thinking mind, find moderate results and in the process only overwhelm yourself. Even being obsessed with being "compassionate and ethical". Compassion towards animals and minimizing suffering will happen from a place you are already being kind and compassionate to yourself first. If you want to grow your own vegetables, first learn to enjoy the process, the art of gardening, then you will have something that is fun, long term sustainable and fulfilling on its own and you will enjoy eating from your garden. Dont' be an efficient machine otherwise you will just hate that you have to do all that hard labor just for a fckin carrot on the plate. What's the point of a long healthy life if you are not living in grace at every moment.

I definitely agree that processed foods are a bane, so she may be right, but taking this idea to its logical conclusion, the 'disconnection' she talks about leads inevitably to the over-population of humans and the rejection of urbanism. Presumably massive population growth began in earnest with agriculture, including pasturalism. and the transition from universal hunting-gathering and 'processed' tool use. How would you recommend we get back to fewer than a million humans on the planet?

She is right 💯 Cue the angry vegan comments.

Plant-based doesn't necessarily mean exclusively plants.

I like Dr. Ted Naiman

Man the comments. As much passion and lecturing as a political channel comment section. People get so worked up. Some people thrive on more plant based, others on more meat. Why is it everything in this world today is zero sum? We understand so little about genetics and our own biology, even though we understand a lot…are we sure EVERY human from many genetic branches is supposed to eat ONE WAY? Probably not.

I thought the majority of industrial agriculture was used for commodity crops and mainly to feed livestock. Is that not true?

Soylent Green 1973. Charlton Heston. Watch it.....

To his folly, mankind continues to believe that he can do as good or better than mother nature or creation itself. Unless you live in a Frozen wasteland, you can create a complete self-sustaining micro Food Forest, with some small livestock included, which is dependent solely on local resources only. JADAM🤗

Subsidies for 500 acre organic farms

We need a farming de-industrial revolution. I actually COULD NOT get my magnesium up with conventional high magnesium foods. It was impossible. Took a supplement like Mg glycinate and boom it worked. Food is buggered now.

Yes lets eat poisonous nuts seeds 😂🤣🤡

This vegan diet never existed in human history. Also, meat eaters had smaller amounts of meat mixed with dairy, wheat, beans and veggies. We definitely need to eat mostly veggies etc. But, meat protein grown properly is healthy. Soups are a great mix of everything!

Okay, traditional farming would require plowing up millions of more acres of non-ag land now. What’s the agronomic solution Casey? Cows everywhere?

Dr Casey… you are heading in the right direction, but you are not yet in the right place. Plants in general are not optimal for health. Yes, you can eat them and survive, but they are not optimal. Fatty meat and eggs: that’s optimal. And it is WAY more important to drop the plants than it is to eat the organic panda massaged meat. Any meat is 10 times better than any plant.

Jessie your Doctor doesn't know much about agriculture or vege plant growing . You would think growing veges in poop soil would turn people off of veges - it used to I'm an old person and I remember when people were told to use fish fertilizer. NO Poop . Of course dairies and stock yards don't smell that great - I guess many complained themselves into 'plain' food. Oh don't forget we also need ethanol.

It’s simple. Grow your own plant food. You can get all the nutrients needed. If can’t do that go to farmers market and get organic. If not an option buy organic from the store and take supplements. I’ve been vegan for 20 yrs. I’ve 3 Dr confirmed and lab tested that I cured medical DX’s I wad told I’d have to live with on meds for the rest of my life. On plants. I have zero medical issues. Healthiest I’ve ever been. Dead flesh is carcinogenic - check out the medical data. Why would anyone want to do that? Ps not to mention the animal abuse. There’s not enough but moving to direction to plenty of regenerative farming starting up. What do you think the animals are eating? 😂😂😂😂 this is a terribly uninformed video.

We worship money not life.

There's no way animals have that much of an impact on soils. There just isn't enough of them

No cave paintings of arugula

Why is Dr Casey Means seeing this but not the scientific community... Hmmmm..Something going on ...

The way we grow our food has nothing to do with what we choose to eat. Her argument makes no sense.

Women are going to save the world

I'm saddened that people can be plant based just for "their health"...how about the animals?? 😢

true, plants are not what they should be. pesticides and poisons. this is why I have my own garden when I can.

Amen!!!