It's weird how willing you are to demean and debase yourself to keep attention on yourself, Greg. Near 50 year old people typically don't do that because it's strange to be that thin skinned and insecure and how it makes you look to other adults.
@@jaromor8808you hear the word Jew and randomly bring up israel being N*zis? Ever think you're the N*zi? Are all the Jews to blame for what the israeli government does? If not then why bring up israel? I think I know why, starts with A and ends with M.
I mean it's true lol, he seems like a genuine guy trying to help people get into shape but then you see the prices of his supps, book and coaching and you're like wow.....this mf just wants to be rich and promote his shit.
@mattball420 bro your hivemind group think behavior bashing religion(Objectively a good impact on society). Atheism has a death toll since 1880 with estimes of 120-200 million deaths... you're not a contrarian you just agree with everyone else who's edgy
Greg started out well calling out fake natties and being honest about steroids but it's so obvious he's run out of topics and now he's just saying whatever will get him attention
What do you think 99% of fitness content is?Absolutely unnecessary bullshit mills. Eat good, sleep well, train consintently, don't do steroids like a pussy. No need for more. But we are still watching like consumerist pigs.
Have you even watched the recent videos its far cry from what you describe the recent videos are i think the most entertaining and knowledgeable imo and not to mention he is supporting and keepin the sports industry in check.
@@mehboob9101I’ll answer this as another former subscriber. I have not and don’t care to because he went full drama to the point where I was getting 5 videos from him a day just beefing with people I didn’t care about. It was stupid so I quit watching and he lost my attention forever. Who cares
I finally lost my interest and respect for Doucette when he went after Fikshun, and he betrayed his personal bias by mentioning his "alleged" martial arts skills. Not relevant to his original critique and just an "ad hominem" attack.
Personal beefs aside, this is a fascinating conversation about the difference between a formal debate and a informal polemical debate. I was on my high school debate team, and for years afterward I operated under the delusion that people would respect the rules of formal debate, and how a winner is decided. They don't. People respect their feelings.
I found that to be an interesting insight too. Although I’ve learned to accept the rules of the game of life the way they are. And they’re not close to any ‘ideals’ of fairness, of rationality, of justice or of anything else.
True... So... Why debate? A debate should not be done "realtime", especially in front of an audience. This also applies to political debates. However a question answer session, and then a well crafted series of debate points sounds like it can meet all criteria. A "debate" changes an exchange of ideas using Logos and brings in Pathos. Obviously if you have audience manipulation as a core skill you want to do things to maximize your influence. But the ideas take a beating.
also people forget the point of a debate is to win over the people observing the debate, NOT to change the mind or views of the person you are debating.
@@45johngalt that would be the purpose of an informal debate (eg: the US presidential debates... which many people are surprised to learn are NOT formal debates) since the candidates are pandering to the general population, rather than to a panel of judges. In a formal debate, the purpose to is the convince the judges to give your side the most points. What the audience thinks has no bearing on this.
Snake oil at least has some protein, I guess. Depends which part of the snake they make it from. So it's still better value for money than turkesterone
@@TheEvolver311 libertarianism has nothing to do with that. I'm liberatarian and I don't like him. Most libertarians I know are actually genuinely good people. Which is precisely why they are libertarians.
I unsubscribed to Greg awhile back when his channel went from fitness information to nothing but drama and tearing people down. He recently said in a collab video that he knows exactly what he's doing, which is essentially stirring the pot. Life is too short for that, but to each they're own.
So Mike is talking about a debate he had with Greg 4 years ago. He's since been on Greg's channel having a friendly conversation that was posted 3 years ago. I think Mike knows setting Greg up for response videos is just going to boost views for both of them. I'm here for it, of course.
Good point about the fake personality. Greg is, or was I should say a genuinely nice guy. But his angry parrot persona is what grew his channel. He has said this many times, blaming his viewers every time yelling “I GIVE YOU GUYS CALM GREG BUT GETS NO VIEWS SO IM GIVING THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT”. Problem is, he’s leaned into this persona so much that it’s really who he is now. There’s a reason why his circle is no longer with him, ex gf, ex best friend.
I liked him when he was just sitting at his desk. Now I'm surprised he doesn't sit behind his freaking wall of products and scream through it. Guy got way too negative and loud
it's kinda like what happened Nick Avocado. Started out as a nice, polite, soft spoken, vegan dude who loves violin. Ended up as an rude, loud, angry fat dude who would eat and say the most disgusting shit for views, because it gets the view.
How Mike describes how Joel presents during debate is 100000% accurate. He will often try to become friends with you so you don’t blast him for his wrongdoing. On Mark’s podcast he was able to say how the stuff he post on social is just click bait!
@SuperElite27000000 please tell me how he will ever beat the shit out of dr mike? You realise dr mike is a brown belt in bjj yeah? Greg isn't shit, they've met in real life before and dr mike took the piss right to his face and greg went in his little bubble and took it like the little bitch he is 😂
@@SuperElite27000000bro awesome!! You know Greg?? How crazy!! I didn’t believe you the first seven times you commented this on someone else’s comment but now I’m sold!! You going to yerk Greg while they fight or are you on ball cradling duty? Lmk! 🎊 🎉😊
Greg's channel is 90% entertainment 10% education. It's his business model. Mike's channels is probably 90% education and 10% entertainment. And guess what the majority of people who watch Greg's channel probably are just looking for entertainment.
both are like 90% entertainment. There's not much to educate about in fitness really. You don't need to make daily videos if your purpose is to educate. Both of them are all about money
@@qwerty-rh6htYes they both have program apps but Mike and Jeff are science backed, that's why they have so much respect for each other, Mike has also interviewed more entertainment based creators that create within the field of bodybuilding and he does roast them, and they often feel very starstruck because Mike israetel is just that kind of smart guy in the room that makes everyone feel a little stupid. Mike doesn't just say what he thinks, he shares studies that back what he has learned.
Dr. Mike accurately describes the issue with debating at around 9:00. He's right. An audience doesn't pay too much attention to the logic of the point; they're just very focused on rhetoric or the presentation of the debater. It makes it very difficult to be objective about who won.
@@Inventor1488 What I'm saying is that you can have the most sound argument in the world, but if the audience doesn't like your delivery, you'll lose the debate.
@@swandaleyIt's exactly why people should aspire towards ideas not people but far too many people are caught up in ego and pride to see past people and especially to see past themselves. You can see with how remarkably judgemental society is.
I used to like Greg, but after the turkesterone incident, it was obvious that he is not honest and his main thing is to make lots and lots of money anyway, being right or wrong doesnt matter.
@@SuperElite27000000 bro awesome!! You know Greg?? How crazy!! I didn’t believe you the first seven times you commented this on someone else’s comment but now I’m sold!! You going to yerk Greg while they fight or are you on ball cradling duty? Lmk! 🎊 🎉😊
Greg Doucette's channel is an example of tabloid journalism aimed at gymbros. It's not supposed to be taken seriously, it's low-brow, guilty pleasure entertainment.
When i started my fitness journey. I took advice from numerous fitness influencers, did my own research and created my own plan that wirks for me. People overthink these things. You dont have to pick sides, on certain influencers you like or dislike.
Yeah, the mindset of "I am DEFINITELY smarter than him, so I must be right and he must be wrong" will undoubtedly lead someone, who is perhaps intelligent and educated, to distorted understanding of reality. I seen too much
To be fair though, Greg did not stand up for anything in the debate. His strategy was to be nice and weasel around that as opposed to backing it up actively. Facts don't care about feelings and in that regard, its fair for Mile to be frustrated and think he is smarter simply because Greg is likely clueless in that debate topic and saving face with good pr among fans.
@@goonerboy6371 Being nice is now considered a proof of being wrong now? That's a weird mentality. I also don't think he should "stand up" for anything, because why should he? If you're not 100% sure something is true, don't try to convince yourself or anyone it's 100% true. Otherwise you're being irrational. Btw, he did "stand up" though, more like explaining himself clearer since the other side is bad at listening, when Mike said he's being arbitrary with the 10%, he replied basically an arbitrary standard is needed for clueless average people. I don't know how "likely" Greg is clueless about the "topic", which is not very clear to me either. And I bet the other are pretty clueless as well, because throughout the "debate" they were just arguing over nothing, like "average people are more likely to undertrain, or overtraine", wtf. But here show a key difference, while neither side have realiable statistic or "facts" on their side, Greg immediately admit his limits, he's not "sure of himself" to an unecessary degree, that alone makes him appears more rational to me. And there's some stawmaning happened there, implying Greg's encouraging people to always train to failure, which is really bad faith interpretation of Greg's word. I don't know why exactly Mike is so frustrated, but I do know people irl get frustrated over petty trivial matters, all the time, so his "feelings" and emotions can't really tell us anything about Greg or the rationality of their arguments.
@@lcrow3104 Dr. Mike is mad because of the shit talking behind the back where Greg claimed Dr.Mike was wrong about assertions on training volume and when this was brought up in the debate, he was not justifying it and tried to weasle around it. Look up the video on it with an open mind. I get that its part of Greg's youtube persona to call people out for clicks/engagement and say they are wrong but if you call someone out like that, you should be able to justify or atleast defend your position. We know that studies on hypertrophy is evolving but there are some things that were said by Greg thats widely considered out of date even if it was back in 2018. Being nice has no direct corelation to being wrong. However, in Greg's case he was being nice with an ulterior motive to make Dr.Mike look bad because he was all at sea in the debate and had nowhere to go. Its a common strategy we see in political debates as well where the person who has no argument appeals to the naivety/prejudice of the viewers who fail to see the point that being nice and appearing pleasant is not the same as crushing someone in a debate objectively. But again, if you already made up your mind and resonate with Greg's way of training and thinking, its hard to see things objectively. I have seen enough of these two to call it as is and understand why Dr.Mike thinks Greg is two faced
@@goonerboy6371 How exactly is he "talking behind" Mike's back when he's literally talking on yt? I watched it with an opened mind which is why I say they arguing over nothing. Their view aren't even contradicting that much, they just say thing under different contexts, which make them uncomparable or undebatable. Or maybe I missed something because I didn't watch it very carefully, you may want to point out the specific. To say someone using a strategy to make you look bad in a debate is just not a very strong position to defend yourself. If this was a political stage, and Greg or Mike has to argue against a corrupt politician, I'll expect him to rip other apart. But this is not that, I expect everyone to act like decent and calm person, and prove their points by simply being articulated. If Mike has really persuasive arguments and he can express himself well enough, there's no reason he can't defeat his opponent without appearing hostile. Seeing things objectively is much harder than most people think. Btw, I watch Greg for entertainments
Keep coping sub 5. Everyone who’s watched both of their content can tell dr mike is more educated. You’re just playing devils advocate because your life is boring. Greg sells falsities that people pay money for
It is very similar with how Elves and Dwarves hate each other in Lord of The Rings and The Hobbit , except in this case Greg is more like a Keebler/Santa elf (Mike is just legitimately a guy who works in the mines in like Mount Gundabad)
It's more of the common enmity between men under 5 and a half feet tall who think adding as much muscle as possible to their diminutive frame and posting using camera angles that don't show how short they are will conceal the fact that they are halflings created to be crushed under foot by men of stature
One thing these days, in terms of this discussion, in terms of politics, in terms of basic facts even is that people don't feel like it's okay to tell people that they're wrong. You can't say no, he's wrong or lying and here's proof, people will just ignore that and keep thinking what they want to.
The Greg Doucette thing is a little weird. I get it, RU-vider's chase clicks and drama (or create it) and I know nothing about bodybuilding (I just watch some of the channels because it's interesting) but I do know if a guy, in this case Doucette, says he's not jealous or envious of a competitor 2-3-4 times in a single video. Something's going on there. "The lady doth protest too much."
@@DMX2050 Mike is rather popular, though, as is Greg. So I imagine they are each appealing in some way. I suspect Mike's gruff persona adds to his credibility in the eyes of some people. They perceive it as straight talk, without any fluff.
Greg sold me multiple bottles of fake Turk when I was first into lifting…my fault for being so gullible…but he refuses to address all the people he ripped off about a year ago and sells “real Turk” now so it’s all good
Most people aren't familiar with the structure of a debate. They go by what they feel and not what is real. They feel their opinion is valid, so they dismiss the facts. It's not about what you say it's how you say it. They get triggered by tone. The guys that appear to win the debate, use an emotional intelligence to win over/ manipulate the audience. They're not arguing in good faith. That's why they won't concede any points.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 to be fair to Wanderlei he was going life or death with Rampage Chuck etc. Influencers just juice to market to gullible tweens and adults that dont know any better.
@@frontierlandfrank5314 super weirdo pointing out a guy selling supplements to increase testosterone was crying about his government not getting him his testosterone.
@@freakied0550 there’s a massive difference between replacing non existent testosterone and taking supplements that support higher levels. Apparently you’re too low iq to differentiate. Again, the video was necessary.
@@freakied0550coming from a guy who could sell one of his McLarens and import enough raws to manufacture enough testosterone cypionate for every man in a small country to be juiced to the gills
Greg is the king if drama. If Dr.mikes specialty is hypertrophy, Gregs is stirring shit up. As soon as it comes to the drama aspect, you will lose. It would be like if i had a pure intellectual debate on hypertrophy with Dr.Mike I would immediately be out of my depth.
The age old story of how debate works… Gish gallops and all. Good video. As a casual with limited time, it is always hard to figure out who the good guys in this space are.
Remember when Greg did that video calling the Korean dude a fake natty... Then he went completely the other way after getting threatened by his legal team. 😅
Kim Jong Kook is the body builders name and Greg bet $1000000 USD and Greg still hasn't fulfilled that part of his bet. For being so rich and flaunting it, he sure doesn't like to pay up, even when he's the one who made the bet :P
@@Drewstein69 Did they agree to the bet? You can't make the bet unless both sides have something to lose, and there's pressure to actually provide facts. If the other side doesn't want to shake on it (perhaps he doesn't want his life being examined publicly), then the bet wasn't made. It just becomes "hyperbole", and can be changed when he sees the facts.
It seems abundantly clear that Greg Doucette is only motivated by money and has figured out that publishing three drama videos which are 50% him selling supplements is the best way to make money.
Keep on fighting the good fight guys. I'm never gonna be impressed with dudes can quarter squat a bunch of weight, but struggle to bend over and pick their kid up off of the ground.
genuine or not, his advice is with good intent even if he is punching at you. People are stubborn and have egos and will not make a change to their lifestyle for the better until they are punched at enough. His advice to dr. mike and his professional career was very true and necessary. doesnt matter if dr. mike likes it or not, he has rage, he has ego, but greg is saving his life.
Is Greg Mike's dad? Doctor? Wife? What place does Greg have to talk a bunch of shit to Mike and claim the "it's genuine tough love I'm trying to help". That's not Greg's place. Valid criticism is invalid if it comes from an invalid source. Greg is using Mike as clout and masking his open clout chasing with "good intentions". It's bad faith and Mike has absolutely every right to be upset.
@@carstontoedter1333 That's it guys, you can't tell someone to get off drugs unless you're their friend or daddy. Greg is just telling him what's the best for him. It's still Mike's choice in the end and sadly he made a stupid one
The fanboys are already starting to flood the comments, so I'll just tell everyone to watch Revival Fitness to see Greg debunked and discredited entirely (for years, without Greg ever responding)
This conversation has relevance in day-to-day interactions that have nothing to do with training or youtubers, especially with regard to who looks "mean" or "nice" vs. who is right and who is honest.
Context is one the most important things to have before you form your perspective around anything. Asking yourself "why" to anything can go a long way.
Dude thinks greg was trying to play mental games when in reality he just knew that nobody would debate him if he screams in their ear for hours at a time
He did, he pointed out that Greg is manipulative and he played his part well. He basically baited emotional response from Mike and then acted as if he had done nothing wrong.
@@Tespri you are really overthinking it. From what I have seen of Mike in public, he always acts like a douche and hides behind the "Im awkward in social settings" excuse to blatantly be an asshole. Not to mention he has talked about having thoughts of killing dogs and about hurting others countless times. It is time to take off the rose tinted glasses my friend
@@Tespriit’s not hard to bait an emotional response from Mike… if you tell him his favourite cereal sucks he will say “ All I think about is violence “ or some crazy stuff. Watch his interview with the other Dr.Mike. I like Mike I for his training videos but he’s a bit of a nut case
I don't keep with all the back and forth and drama between these two, but I lost a lot of respect for Mike when he said Gregg claims to be a doctor it was so obviously dishonest and unfair. I also did watch a bit of Greg's recent videos on Mikes quest to get a pro card and he was 100% on the money. I think Mike makes better content, but there's something about his personality that rubs me the wrong way.
I did the exact same thing, was about to come around and resubscribe as Greg has done nothing but praise his channel and how well he is doing. This bs rant of Mike's just seems like bitterness.
It's his libertarian nonsense. He is obviously too smart for his own ideology and career, but his weird childhood trauma does not let him go. I love the guy regardless.
@@andrewzach1921 why would mike care if greg says good things about his channel? At the end of the day, Greg is still using his Harden than Last Time messaging. Which was just know is not only bad advice to the average youtube bro, but is going to get people hurt. He's still pushing his ever more expensive cook books. And he's push massively over priced supplements. Greg could buy Mike 100 Lambo's and Mike should still think Greg's scum. Because he just is.
The weird thing about it all is that Greg and Mike actually did a video on Greg's channel AFTER the debate on Omar's channel... that's so odd hearing Mike's current thoughts.
Won't deny Greg is tabloid Journalism. But he is one of the few fighting the glorification of PED use, Mike has also done some good work in that area. Other than them and a few others, the industry is full of negligent influencers stoking the fire. Til' others make an effort, Greg and Mike are one of the only good guys in that area. I apologize to any influencers I did not mention who are also advocating natty.
So sick of you all natural little girls. Who cares if someone you don't know use steroids? I mean really does it bother you that much people you never meet use steroids? Lol why does anyone care what anyone else does??? Oh is it all about the children? Lololo
mf he did 10 videos repeating what mike himself said on some podcast drawn out for 10 minutes somehow. Not because he cares about mike or his audience. He cares abiut the numbers that mikes name brings. This is how drama influencers work
Greg is a massive hypocrite based off his handling of the tren twins' health. He let their bloodwork get extremely toxic very far out from a show which was just unnecessary and then didn't even think twice about it. He doesn't care, he's just saying stuff for click…
@@FreestBird lol no Dr. Mike literally blamed his tan, while Greg called out his poor conditioning. Mike kept abusing steroids, while Greg called out the fact that it was an exercise in futility to chase after the pro card (which he obviously is). Mike is only retiring temporarily, while Greg has stated multiple times it's much better for him to retire. He's not parroting whatever Mike himself says, his critique is 1000% valid.
It's interesting how a lot of this lines up with the concept in psychology of Foxes and Hedgehogs. Foxes (Dr. Mike and Zack) tend to be more cognitively flexible and open to nuance and contradiction. Hedgehogs (Greg Doucette & Joel Seedman), tend to have one big idea and confidently stick to it, sometimes to their detriment. Neither is bad inherently, although in this case the two hedgehogs are behaving poorly.
I think that is hitting the nail on the head. Greg only agrees with his very narrow viewpoint and is completely closed off from changing his mind, whereas Dr. Mike and Zach are open to new information when it comes up.
not really. I don't see Greg in either camp. He is just commentary noise in the background. And Seedman is a total shill. I actually think he is being contrarian on purpose for the clout. His ideas are so out there he is the flat earther of fitness.
@@the_odd_cat553 that’s the whole point - he sticks to science, and if the science changes, he changes his thinking. Greg refuses to do so, even when faced with overwhelming evidence.
Mike has a really good point about the logical side of debates. People actually get offended if you pressure them intellectually because their ego is so invested in their ideas that they just can't handle it and the response for most people is to think you are an ass.
1:58 that's exactly what happens with the diets. It's easier to tell people "hey, don't eat fats" or "don't eat carbs" than explaining that you can have a balanced diet without as many restrictions and it's easier to sell programs and attack other people
this happens to dave farina whenever he debates science deniers, sometimes it's even flat earth supporters and ppl will still say that dave is being mean or something. unbelievable
Because people literally didn’t pay attention in school. And then they turn around a say school is made to dumb you down and keep Knowledge from you. They are idiots. A great example I had recently was a guy that was talking about how is training and energy got so bad when switching to a carnivore diet. I remember freshman year learning in biology that we need amino-acids(proteins), lipids(fats), and glycogen(carbs) for the building blocks of our body. Of course you feel like shit. Your body doesn’t have the lipids it needs to build hormones, your muscles don’t have the energy nor carbs it needs to hold water and function properly. And his brain was also probably running on E. The dumbest part is he thought his testosterone would go up. What would your body to to make testosterone? Him cutting out majority of his lipids and assuming he will make testosterone is the equivalent of cutting out all protein and thinking your body will make muscle out of carbs. I knew this at 14 because I paid attention….
I don't care about Joel Seedman one bit, but in the context of sports and lifting, powerlifting and weightlifting are what's most accessible for general public folks, and we don't have to be afraid to say that's where injuries happen most commonly.
We also have to consider that those most emotionally effected by the debate tend to be the ones that comment. I remember my reaction even though the doucette debate happened years ago, and I was agreeing with Mike the whole time but I never left any trace/comment. Most people who agreed with Mike probably never left a comment.
I was subscribed to Greg for a while but after his videos became less about lifting and fitness and more about what Sam Sulek was doing wrong I unsubscribed and then subscribed to Sam
Didn’t Mike get famous for punching up constantly (I know he’s right more often than not in the case of celebrities training being bad) but objectively speaking there’s quite a lot of hypocrisy there
Gregs whole channel is clickbaity and chasing clout by making videos on other people. Mike mostly does educational videos and a ton of podcasts, with some videos where he reviews others training regiment, and he is not always making fun of the person but making more of a joking video (Ronnie, Bloat god, just on top of my head). The frequency of those videos is just on another level for Greg, where all he does is make videos on others.
Tbh that interview with Mike & Greg was the first time I discovered Mike and I have been following RP since. I feel like Greg just wanted to learn in that debate, but yeah I did not see the original video of Greg roasting Mike
Well, the problem is that everyone is trying to settle issues in “competitive debate”. Competition debates just end up being a circle-jerk of people trying to gain “points” and worrying about win/lose without actually trying to solve any issues.
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 I don't get the whole genetics thing he and everybody else keeps talking about. Being 5'6 is the polar opposite of good genetics.
Watching the fitness word is interesting. Mitch Hooper just made a video of Joel. Mitch who is also well educated. Disagreeing on rep ranges seems kind of silly. Everyone agrees you have to go hard to get gains. Full range of motion is important, and the stretch is more important. Greg is very clear about his approach. He makes sensational videos to get views. He wants to be educational, but sensational headlines/hyper energy is what gets people to watch, but he says he doesn’t want to do it. And at the end of the day, he’s a business, so he’s doing what works. But he’s pretty consistent on what he says to people in person. Watch the videos he made with Mitch hooper. He’s calmer to engage with because the solo videos are hyper exaggerated.
Greg is a literal millionaire. He doesn’t need to stoop so low to make money, yet he chooses to. He still pushes supplements (some of which have zero scientific backing) like they’re the best thing in the world. I’m not going to support a millionaire’s decision to push drama and fake/useless supplements just so he can continue to rake in money.
Mike can talk down on Greg all he wants, but the fact of the matter is Greg knows what it takes to be an IFBB pro bodybuilder and Mike does not. Greg was absolutely bang on saying Mike just doesn’t know what a dialled in award winning physique is supposed to look like and how to get there, and there’s no disputing that. You can have all the professional accreditations in the world, but that doesn’t necessarily translate when it comes to all things bodybuilding etc. The Tren use at Mike’s age is ridiculous too, taking such a harmful / destructive substance in your latter years for little to no reward is hugely irresponsible.
To be fair, Mike KNOWS what it takes, he is just not able or willing to DO what it takes. (and possibly he just doesn't have a genetic shot in hell) And you know what they say, "Those who are not able to do, teach". Dr. Mike is a fantastic teacher. When people stay in their lane, they usually find massive success.
@@HeadCannonPrime So you’re telling me Mike is willing to take highly damaging substances like Tren to be successful in bodybuilding, yet he can’t be bothered to diet correctly and do the consistent cardio that is needed?? That argument in of itself paints an even worse picture of Mike and his bodybuilding goals. Anyone can pin any drug going as there’s no work in that, the work starts with making the necessary sacrifices in terms of your lifestyle (eating and being more active etc).
To be fair, all Greg does is punch up, but usually to gripe about something specific, and almost exclusively because he's judging someone as deficient at some capacity. It not like he's meanderingly going after Athlean X or the bulk of influencers he actually likes lol. Though the hyperfixation on Mike has been somewhat silly. Mike saying he's doing it for clout is a little funny given Greg's already openly said he's going after Mike because of how popular Mike is, its not much of a secret, lol.
@@nm2358 how would me deleting my message show you how to delete yours? Press those three little dots next to ur name on this comment and hit delete. You’re welcome in advance
You need to do a higher effort video if you want people on your side. When I tell folks about my sociopath ex , I need to in depth describe what she did else I look just like the aO. Same here. I'm not watching the 4 year old debate. You gotta recap. But hey. Just like Greg, you both like those Lamborghinis, you keep pumping out somewhat lower effort stuff recently
To me Mike is losing his appeal. Before the prep for the show, he seemed a little more light hearted and funny. Now it’s all depression and anger. His tone is so unhappy now. It’s all negative, it’s all hate towards everyone else, inflated self ego. It’s not a good look
@@camiloorsini9674 He is still coming off his PEDs and dealing with a shitload of anxiety caused by cognitive dissonance. I think when he is de-loaded and gets into a good working headspace he will be better. Although he is getting WAY richer and that tends to f'up people's brains. (20 years ago Elon wasn't a james bond villain)
Funny enough, the Greg debate was the first time I heard of Dr. Mike. I thought he was a douche at the time but have since ended up unsubscribed from Greg and subscribed to Dr. Mike after watching more of his videos.
At least Coach doesn’t insult Mike just for the pleasure of insulting Mike. He uses mike’s situation and name to then share great information to his viewers. There was a certain animosity in Mike’s words about Greg, which I find to be quite immature lol
Dr. Mike and Greg Doucette make the same types videos. They ridicule, or in their eyes, “provide truth and facts” to the community about people’s fitness philosophies and methodologies that they think is wrong. Both educated people who use science as their scapegoat to harshly criticize fitness content creators. Whether they are right or wrong in their examinations of other people’s work, whether you trust what Dr. Mike says or what Greg says - they are one of the same person. Their goal is the same.
I do think Dr Mike is an asshole, but I do think he only reserves his ridicule for people that are grossly incompetent in something they should know better, or are actually malicious, I think most his critiques are reasonable and he gives credit where it’s due and I also think he provides a lot of value in his content. I think Greg is also an asshole, but an inflammatory one that intentionally makes people upset to start drama for the purpose of driving clicks and is a lot less fair in his criticism and I think his content is less valuable in general. I think Dr Mike makes good videos and is just an abrasive asshole as a person, while Greg makes significantly less good videos and goes out of his way to be more of an asshole
As a disabled army veteran I only squat like 135-185 front squat and do pauses just above the haji shit squat position slow both ways and it is the best things to help me have a chance at walking down a hill without taking 10” steps
Say whatever you want about him. But him being one of the few influencers that will go out of their way to tell people not to take steroids earns my respect. Mike might have the best info but I thinks it's evil for him to be taking steroids to compete.
