You forgot Darth Krayt's Order where he abandoned the Rule of Two and introduced the Rule of One over All - a Single all-powerful Sith with thousands of Apprentices. Darth Bane's Force Ghost told Krayt that his order would doom the Sith to the infighting and self-annihilation that he, Bane, tried to save it from.
@@attilathegod well Vitiates/Valkorion´s empire was mentioned in this video as the true SIth Empire! Why Vitiates empire finally collapsed after his final death is still unknown, but I think that BioWare will tell that story of the final destruction of the True Sith Empire in the MMORPG THe Old Republic! So maybe soon we´ll know how the republic finally won over the Empire after the events of the expansion of swtor "Onslaught"!
These eras are the best , when there were armies of Jedi and Sith to follow. Think the decision to only have like two sith max and barley any Jedi is just limiting the story , look at Kotor . Amazing potential story lines.
@@Vigriff the Rule of Two ended the Jedi and gave victory to the Sith. The Chosen One and the Will of the Force (and the Skywalker twins' lucky conception) ended the Sith.
"Hmmst, our constant infighting is causing us to lose. Clearly the solution isn't to stop infighting and instead kill all but 2. I am very intelligent." - Darth Bane
While "two siths" is 101 setting for SW, Bane's belief came in hard way when literally every fellow Sith ("Kaan's lackeys" as he named it) had abused & betrayed him. And Kaan welcomed him back despite his obvious animosity, which culminated in latter's destruction.
Awesome video. Love Sith Lore. My favourite incarnations would be: 1. Revan’ s Sith Empire 2. The Order of the Sith Lords 3. The Brotherhood of the Sith (Exar Kun’s Sith Empire) 4. The Resurgent Sith Empire (Post Great Hyper-Space War) 5. Old Sith Empire (PreGreat Hyper-Space War) 6. Sith Triumvirate 7. The New Sith (Not really a favourite)
@@imposterblockade1826 they tried, rumour has it that Disney along side the producers of game of thrones were to do a series or a trilogy in The Old Republic, the same rumour tells that Benioff and Weiss rushed season 8 to go produce it, but they got fired .
Excellent short history. Would love for you to go more into detail on these, & definitely cover the off-shoots you didn't. I feel like Bane's Rule of Two saved the Sith at the time but also (thousands of years later?) led to it's downfall - a theme often seen in real history.
If the sith history says anything. They were all doomed to fail eventually based on their dark nature. Banes rule of two ensured the survival of the sith and gave them the time they needed to build their power and manipulation. Even if they only got a short time to rule, banes plan came to fruition.
I personally think Revans sith empire was the best, most of Revans forces were defected Republic admirals and troopers who grew loyal to Revan over the Republic itself during the mandolorian wars....Revans following was based more on loyalty then actual hatred of the Republic, everyone revered his power...also while he was strong in the darkside he never let it control him, his goal was to never destroy the republic it was to remake it in order to withstand vitates assault...his empire and his followers were just a means to an end.
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force will set me free.
The more I learned about the Resurgent Sith empire the more I thought Darth vitiate was really dumb for waiting an extra 300 years to attack. Had he attacked right after Kotor 2 the Sith would have completely crushed what little semblance of a republic their was left. The civilians must’ve been sick of war, the military was drained and the Jedi order was barely an after school club. Like I know in real life it’s most likely 300 years later so that all the Kotor characters are dead (expect not because money) and new ship classes can be made. but after all the work Vitiate did to cause the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi civil war he decides to waste it to get military information out of Revan’s head that was already outdated.
100% agree with you If the Sith Empire attacked they would have wiped the floor with the Republic. If i remember correctly there were like 7 Jedi left vs Vitiate and whatever Empire he had at the time
Something that I enjoyed about the Order of the Sith Lords was that it made it so the Sith were hard to beat in battle, as they were considered overlords and very powerful, rather than armies of Sith that were not the best at fighting.
I totally agree with Egie, my true canon is the combo of novels, comic, junior readers and even video game history that they tried to make sure they maintained continuity as much as possible.
For the last three years, very few RU-vid videos have told Star Wars lore that I didn't already know. Most of my enjoyment comes from seeing the interpretations of that same lore. I don't always agree, but most of the time. Geetly and Eckhart are on the same page as I am.
I like the True Sith Empire the most, sans Vitiate. Might just be because I found my time in the empire I met a lot of different perspectives on the Empire and the Sith, from my mostly Light side Inquisitor (weird I know), to the Operatives I interacted with seeing the Sith as necessary counters if the Jedi. If the Sith moderated to not be bleeding psychopaths 24/7 the empire would have done much better imo
Aside from the new Sith order. I love them all to varying degrees. My top 3 would have be The True Sith Empire. (Darth Vitate's Sith order) Darth Revan's Sith Empire Then the Rule of 2. or The Orginal Sith empire.(Ajunta Pals Sith empire)
I think Jacen and Lumiya could be counted as a brief revival of the Rule of Two, while the One Sith were basically a copy of the Old Sith Empire. Krayt was even trained by one of Ajunta Palls fellow Suth.
You forgot the rule of one!!!! When Darth Sidious took over the Republic, and worked on the final dynasty which was the rule of one. The eternal emperor. But other than that. It was awesome.
True Sith and Sith Triumvirate era is my favorites. That and the most modern era just after Darth Bane like Darth Plagues, Palatine, Darth Vader, and etc....
Over the years my thoughts and opinions about the Sith and what responsibility for the creation of the Sith was truly property of the Jedi order have evolved. I’ve arrived at the conclusion that The Jedi, while making many mistakes, only had one true element of responsibility in the creation and propagation of the Sith. That element was contained in the doctrine and dogma of rejecting any sort of balanced view that included an understanding of what “Sithdom” was about along with a wholly inadequate treatment of the idea that the Force was not about the acquisition of personal power for ones own utilization and goals. This, in turn, led to erroneous understandings that created flawed doctrines and misapplied dogma, e.g., regarding the concepts related to attachment and the very black & white, mostly useless pronouncements, rules & regulations that developed in the Jedi order over the millennia related to attachment. There was one primal element that separated the Jedi from the Sith, the Ashla from the Bogan. That element was an un-abiding, ravenous hunger for power. It may have started off as a craving or a debased lusting after the possession of power. However, when fed as the only consideration, that hunger consumed the adherent and all around such a one, if taken to its logical conclusion. If the Jedi had consistently addressed this base nature failing from the start in teaching the first Younglings & Padawns, the need for the plethora of doctrines & dogma and the resultant patchwork of rules and regulations (insufficient bandaids used to address much more serious maladies that resulted from the Jedi’s inconsistencies and treatments) would have never developed over the thousand generations that Obi Wan spoke of the Jedi’s existence. In the end, the Sith were responsible for their own creation and the Jedi responsible for the creation of a recruitment pipeline for the Sith order based on a lack of true balance in the Force...an imbalance that created a perpetual, low-grade fear.
I love the sith so much, but man it pisses me off they could never get their shit right to properly rule the galaxy or beyond. The true Sith were definitely my favorite followed by Revans. But even then it was like they were better off not bothering with the Republic .
Yes, the Empires of the old Sith should have just stayed in the unknown regions and perhaps spread their influence into other galaxies. Could you imagine if the True Sith had spread into the Vong galaxy? It would have happened prior to the Vong's extermination of sentient life and biotech had taken over that Galaxy. The Empire could have potentially brought the Vong into the fold and been so much more powerful than even imagined or they could have stopped the extermination before it even had a chance saving countless species that would be loyal subjects to the Empire just because the stopped the Vong. I mean even Revan could have used the Star Forge to do the same by using the Rakatan Force Tech and combining it with the Modern Tech of the time period he could have sought out galaxies strong in the Force and took his armies there to build an even stronger Empire to confront the True Sith after their inevitable victory over the Republic as he saw it. Anyway there was so much more potential in Star Wars had they made the Sith go intergalactic rather than solely focused on their hatred of the Jedi and Destruction of the Republic.
Joshua Tayloe that’s why I like Revans empire so much....he wasn’t fighting a war just because he hated jedi he was going to war to prepare the galaxy for his true enemy (vitiate).....it’s not just because he hates jedi, he isn’t short sited/blinded by the dark side like most sith become
@@rvhw3466 I wouldn't say that, Revan was still blinded by his fear and hatred of Vitiate and the True Sith Empire. If he were truly trying to prepare the Galaxy for Vitiate's invasion then he would have stayed after he got his memories back and trained the next recruits. He would have found Mitra and helped bring an end to the Triumvirite. There were many things Revan could have and should have done if he were truly trying to prepare the Republic for the coming of the Sith Empire including as I mentioned in previous comment using the Star Forge and Rakatan Force Tech to locate other Galaxies or even other Unknown Regions strong in the Force to build an Army to stand against Vitiate. Instead he chose to follow his short sided/blindness and attack the Republic, then follow that up with returning to the Uknown Regions to attack Vitiate. In the end Vitiate still invaded and the Empire could have easily defeated the Republic if it hadn't been for Vitiate's own short sided/blindness.
Joshua Tayloe I’m not talking about after kotor, I mean pre kotor 1, Revans empire....he attacked the republic to gain the power necessary to compete with vitiate....he wanted to turn the republic into a war machine, he would have stood a chance if he had the power of the star forge and the republic under his control, but just the star forge may not have been enough, if he was really blinded by hatred he would have used the star forge, and all his loyalists and attacked vitiate before attacking the republic and planning a strategy, that’s short sited. I think he knew that him and malak alone with the power they held wasn’t enough to challenge vitiate who dominated there minds when they first arrived on dromand kaas, He actually attacked the republic as a means to an end, it was phase 1 of his plan against vitiate....he was thinking way beyond just phase 1 however....malak thought he was weak for Sparing key republic worlds, but in reality he needed the republic to regain straight through confilct...his plan was never to destroy the republic...he actually declared his empire in direct opposition to the true Sith empire.....also revan stalled vitiate for a considerable amount of time and allowed the republic to rebuild for 300 years, that stalling from revan also may have saved the galaxy.
@@rvhw3466 you're missing the point. Revan was supposed to be a tactical genius according to all accounts of the Mandalorian Wars. The moves he made upon his return as Darth Revan were not those of a tactical genius, but of man blinded by his hatred of another. There were several options he could have taken that would have had far greater impact and would have better prepared the Republic the Sith invasion. You say he needed the Republic and Star Forge to successfully stop Vitiate, so why did he not use to the Star Forge to strengthen the Republic? He could have easily used it to build ships and machines for the Republic, but he was blinded by the idea of being the leader to take Vitiate down and instead used it to attack the Republic. Regardless of his actions during those attacks the sole purpose was to unite the Republic under himself to meet Vitiate with a force he wasn't prepared for. Literally everything he did after meeting Vitiate was driven by his hatred of Vitiate, hatred is of the Dark Side and therefore he was blinded by the Dark Side. The only difference between Revan and other Sith is that Revan's hatred wasn't for the Jedi, but was for the Sith or really the leader of the Sith Vitiate.
What about Malgus Empire? Or Acina's reformed True Sith Empire? Or Lumiya's Sith? Or the Lost Tribe of the Sith? Or One Sith? Or Darth Wredd's attempt to re-instate the Rule of Two. Really, this should be just "part 1"
Sith ceased to be a race and became an ideology, it's because of that there will always be Sith in the star wars galaxy. Each ideology is different but holds the trappings of the title. Peace is a lie, there is only passion, through passion I gain strength, through strength I gain power, through, power I gain victory, through victory my chains are broken, the force shall free me. The Sith code itself says the force is the biggest power, only kreia has ever sought to actually HURT the force, the rest use its power for what they think should be the best ruling of the galaxy. Sion and Nihilous didn't care about the ideology.
I loved Banes story. The sith of his era that were apart of the brotherhood were no more than wannabes, and being the last true sith bane wanted to ensure their survival and started modern warfare with the jedi by attacking them from the shadows until the sith were ready.
Cake is a lie. There is only pie. Through pie I gain calorie. Through calorie I gain weight. Through weight I gain mass. Through mass my belt is broken. The couch will set me free.
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. *The Force will set me free.*
I really like the Eternal Empire and basically every Sith Order until the Rule of Two. They may have had some of the most interesting Sith in this time, but this doesn't change the massive logical flaws the concept has. It's like they activly tried to search for the one solution against infighting, that comes with the most drawbacks. It is seen as smart, because it worked, but it honestly had to, for the story to work.
You have to remember that the Sith are a religion based on the principle of making sacrifices to attain power for the individual. The rule of two is them putting their faith in the dark side to continue the lineage while ensuring that power is necessary to continue. While the rule might not be the smartest, it is just the kind of solution a Sith would think of.
@@elitestranger5262 Do you mean that the Sith idealize the individual, and are devoted to doing what is necessary to produce the most powerful individual? It's not strictly about self ambition?
Thomas Burke I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. Are you trying to say that them having ambitions disregards the order being based on the principle of attaining individual power or is it something different?
One major flaw with Darth Bane"s rule of two is what happens if both of them get killed without a apprentice to carry it on? The student tries to kill the master and they both die in the battle, or even just a random accident when they are traveling together. Or some Jedi have a really good day…
That’s because he perpetuated lie that the Sith were extinct after the battle of Rusan. If the Jedi knew the Sith still existed his order would’ve never worked.
@@coggnus9656 the Jedi did actually discover the existence of the sith order shortly after the rule of two was created but the Jedi who found out made the huge mistake of following zannah to typhon in order to face her and bane without alerting the rest of the council first. It was the death of those Jedi and zannah tricking the Jedi into thinking that her cousin was darth bane on ambria that truly screwed the Jedi
The true sith are my favorite but that's because of Tennabrae/Vitiate/Valkorian, whatever you want to call him, and that I absolutely adore the Eternal Empire and the lore surrounding it.
Geetsly's Agreed he is my favorite Star Wars character and the Eternal Empire is my favorite faction, plus I love the Knights and Scions of Zakuul and how they use the force. Knights of the Fallen Empire and Knights of the Eternal Throne are my favorite pieces of Star Wars story telling. It's not the best but it is definitely my favorite.
This idea of a sith, hiding in the outer rim, which was overlooked, building his empire, sparing his own strength and his (spoiler) death to pass his spirit to a new host, one far more powerful , is such a great idea. Vitiate hiding his real body and taking a number of hosts, each one weaker, is so good. It’s the Rise of Skywalker, but done well.
@@donnovandalusong266 also Sith: let’s commit genocide on a scale so vast and continue to be assholes afterward Everyone in the galaxy: “no u” Sith: 💀💀💀
I have some questions, what was Darth Vitiate doing while Darth Nihlius was making his reigns? Did they know of each other? Nihlius threatened ALL life of the galaxy so I'm sure Vitiate had to have had some type of input or something right? Or did the creators just ignore each respective characters existed and thats why we hear no mentions of them interacting like we hear mentions of Revan Malak and Vitiate? Just curious !!!
Vitiate and his empire were in hiding in the unknown regions at that point. The real answer is that kotor 2 which tells the story of the exile and the sith triumvirate was made by obsidian whereas the first game and swtor were made by bioware. Bioware basically ignored most of what obsidian made and barely giving explanation of what happened during the revan novel.
Pfft, Darth Nihilus could never eat all the planets, so, why care in the first place? He's just munching a bit here and there. The Star Wars Galaxy has Millions of worlds...
Basically I'm theorising here but from what we know, Vitiate was very absent minded. He was constantly silent. Sometimes even for decades. So it is very much possible he was just having one of his silent phases while nihilus was ravaging the galaxy. Vitiate also was an avid explorer of the galaxy and because he had mastered essence transfer , his soul (basically his immaterial self) could wander and explore the universe while his body was basically lifeless. Eventually though he gave up on the sith empire and left the empire all together to focus on his own eternal empire.
U could've mentioned the one sith which was ruled by Darth krayyt decades after the galactic civil war and even well past the death of luke skywalker. They took over territory in the outer rim and operated out of korriban with their ideology being the worship of and servitude to darth krayyt alone, hence the name the rule of "one" sith.
I came to say the same thing. No mention of Krayt and his order? Shit Krayt became the emperor of the Fel Empire for a bit, did he not? And the fact that he is a clone wars era knight and a contemporary of Anakin's?
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force will set me free.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will let it pass over me and through me. And when it has passed I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where it has gone, there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Similar prose…
One key problem with the Sith was that they all were pretty self-destructive. That's because the dark side nourishes on death, destruction and suffering, which makes every organization using this power prone to turn on itself to spread all of this.
Lightsider propaganda LUL. The two Sith, Vader and Sidious, built a prosperous empire where colonization of wild space was expanded severely and where peace reigned, etc. They quite literally brought peace, freedom, justice and security to their new empire.
@@konglight4070 So the time the Sith was the most successful was when there were the least amount of Sith involved? And it's ultimate destruction was when Vader turned on Sidious
@@konglight4070 darksider apologist spotted, how so many pretend that the titular “big bad” of the entire SW universe when every iteration of them is rooted in evil acts, customs, traditions, and philosophies of narcissistic power addiction is beyond me It’s like rooting for Hitler, and no one’s dumb enough to believe he wa- huh? What do you mean there are? Nevermind.
Wait. Vitiate never took the Title of Darth. Marka Ragnos only made him a Lord. Vitiate jumped ranks and crowned himself Emperor during the Sith Exodus.
Yeah but Ragnos didn't make Sadow or Kressh anything and Tannebrae/Vitiate was a boy at the time. It seems Ragnos was earmarking Vitiate for something.
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 It's a rank in the game SWOR, and actually it's not certain what the meaning of the word is but that is one possible interpretation. You're view is correct in the Banite era.
@B. Jones No one knows what the name means. It's a mystery. I think it's first attribution is to Darth Andeddu. There are a couple of theories but that's all.
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 actually it’s both since the higher ranking sith during the old republic era were given the title of darth, the only reason vitiate didn’t have that title is probably because he was considered to be even higher above the dark lords. Most of the sith of his empire considered him to be godlike
