Why Electric Bikes are More Dangerous than Motorcycles 

When you're on 2 wheels, assume that no one can see you

Even better advice: Assume that everyone else is a moron until they prove otherwise period.

@@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy Including we ourselves.

Assume that everyone else on the road is trying to kill you.

as a car driver, everyone on 2 wheels behaves like a moron. motobikes drive way too fast through populated area or on roads towards crossings and loose their mind if someone just turns normaly. bicyclists drive just the way they want, assuming they are some kind of immortal or at least chosen to be martyrs.

Always! Avoid the cars and you'll be fine!

As a motorcyclist who has (thankfully) never been in a collision, I concur. You need the mentality and perception that EVERY. SINGLE. ONE of those vehicles on the road is out to kill you. People can (and will) do very stupid things. Hope for the best, sure. But plan for the worst! Will keep you alive for sure when commuting.

I always rode with the thoughts that A: I was invisible to cars, and B: they all wanted me to die. I had a number of close calls with cars, but being on my toes doubtless helped me avoid collisions.

This is actually the most precious advice ever.

This is literally how I drive, bike and walk. I ALWAYS drive expecting someone could hit me any moment.

well put. Sometimes when I google map directions, ebiking or even bicycling takes same amount of time to reach your destination. Then there is traffic, detours, parking that makes driving frustrating. Ebiking is a pleasure in so many ways: gas saving, no traffic, bike paths, and you enjoy the scenery.

hij praat echt niet over EU e-bikes hoor, 30 miles an hour = 45 km/U , dat zijn spedelecs ;-) die zijn in EU regels grotendeels onder regels voor gemotoriseerde voertuigen, zo is nummerplaat, verzekering EN het hebben van een rijbewijs verplicht ;-). Dus exact al waar hij over klaagt, doen we gewoon, wij beschouwen die bij ons wel wettelijk als grotendeels een moto, maar dan tussenfase, mag ook niet op alle fietspaden zomaar, en in Belgie allesins in meeste fietspaden dan ook max 30km/u, als die sneller wilt moet die tussen wagens rijden in principe ;)

But how does that improve the motorvehicle industry and sell more cars if they can just use bikes to get to their destination easily?

Even then on there fast E-bike is still dangerous Even more dangerous because now you fight with slower bicycle

@@bocahdongo7769jack shit. Driving excessively faster than other road others is always more dangerous. Doesn’t matter the vehicle. People need to be able to judge the surrounding traffic and handle the speeds there vehicle is capable of. 20kmph is easily achievable on non e-bike for a commuter. So no big different to an e-bike. And every sportier cyclist can do more then 25.

Trust me. I'm a 75 year old, experienced bicyclist, motorcyclist, and high performance auto driver ( track ). NOTHING will protect you from distracted, lousy car drivers. Gave up my motorcycle, ride my bike ONLY on dedicated bike paths. Motorcycles, E-bikes and bicycles DO NOT BELONG on the same roads as automobiles. Period. E-bikes are a hazard, a danger to their riders and others.

Show her this video and she would...

Then wait to move out lol

@i did a thing my mom won’t either, I managed to convince her to let me get a mini bike and after a year of riding that I convinced her to let me sell it and buy a bigger bike and she agreed but as soon as I gathered enough money she is back at square one saying no

@@cristianciarlo1571 You think so? I think she would rather tell him hes not allowed to ride an ebike anymore instead of allowing him to ride a motorcycle.

You're literally everywhere 😂

Or cyclists either!

@@julianmiles6604 Ever see or hear of a cyclist leaving the scene of a traffic incident ( I mean other than in an ambulance)? The other way round is common. As to fatalities & serious injuries, car or truck drivers rarely if ever are seriously injured in a car/truck & bike crash.

Have you done any training to learn best practice, road positioning, and how the roads work? Because that would keep you safe above all else.

That is how we drive motorcycles too, if we want to survive. See every car as an assassin!

​@nobleharbor265 I have. They knocked down a pedestrian and left the scene. The pedestrian was taken to hospital with a broken arm

FYI 55% of motorcycle accidents are single-vehicle accidents meaning technically we are more dangerous than those cagers. But that is empowering because we can make decisions that can lessen the likelihood of a crash. We can be responsible. Know our limits and ride within that ability.

That's a good one

No kidding , I'm as flashy as possible on my bike and I still almost get run over on a weekly basis.

Words to live by!

Exactly my strat... Which is much needed especially where I live (India)

It really is a bit paranoid. I admit that. But then my primary learning curve was on the streets of Izmir, Turkey. At the time, it was mostly 1st and 2nd generation drivers. I can't count the number of times I was cut off, forced onto a curb and on two occasions, cars pulled right in front of me and stopped, waiting to see if I'd hit them. But the lessons and attitude have served me well over the years. I must be blessed or charmed. I survived.

my city is doifn this right now. Streets newr my house are becoming 1 way streets with a devider for a 2 way bike lane. It's probably annoying for drivers but for bikers it's way less deadly

We don't have many bike lanes in my city ugh

But do you want to share those lanes with 50 mph electric bicycles?

@@critterIMHO electric bikes that go over 32 km/h and/or have a motor with greater power than 500w are already considered motorcycles in my country. All this fear-mongering means nothing, fuck off. They're not allowed to ride in the bike lanes

I like the bike lanes idea but it's just wrong that the people driving gas vehicles have to pay for it all. the electric bikes and electric cars get a free ride on the infrastructure paid for through gas taxes which they don't contribute to. Cyclists should have to pay for the bike lanes and leave the gas tax money go towards things that more directly benefit cars.

It's remarkably easy to take a regular ebike and modify it into an s-pedelec without anyone noticing. I've been riding mine on bike paths in Canada for a few months and unless I am aggressively speeding, no one can tell the difference (our ebike speed limit is 32km/h too which is quite fast). The ability to hit 50km/h is nice when you want it, but obviously you have to be mindful of the danger

@@KekusMagnus and just like going 80 on your motorcycle in a 50 zone you are annoying nearby traffic partakers

@@harrysarso - Not when there's no traffic on the road. I only go fast when on a dead road and no one's around.

sorry but european laws are not good enough to satisfy the obese americans that want 9.5 litter 20 cilinder engines and 60km per hour turbocharged wheel chairs... look at this guy advicing people to get motorcycles instead!! this sort of stuff makes me glad I was born in europe

with how slow progress looks like do you even get paid, like, at all

Yeah, that's our reputation in the Galaxy.

The bikes are not the problem it's the people

@@EthanSeville Yep, just like guns.

I think this qoute fits quiet perfectly for this topic: "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."

Nice lol.

This is related to why I've been transitioning from skateboarding to getting into dirt biking

I really don't know how to say this properly but I've been gearing up for riding my e-bike since I got it and it's baffling to me that other people aren't. That shit goes fast, act like it

Everything is Relative, right?

Pity you didn't have a spell checker.

like I told to my lycra friends: I ride enduro mountain bike, safer than road cycling.

I agree. If your body is not ready for the speed, because it can't provide the power for it, you shouldn't drive that fast with external help. We don't talk about cars or trains or motorcycles here.

These e bike people need to get motorcycles and stop pretending.

Absolutely the truth. I was in Zion this spring with my family and the ebikes are a damned nuisance. People that barely have the coordination to ride a pedal bike whizzing around at almost 30 mph. They aren't allowed everywhere in the park but the places they were, you had to be on the lookout constantly for them.

“I’ve seen,” “I’ve seen,” I’ve seen,” etc., etc., etc… All comments from “cyclists” who probably never have actually ridden any assisted bicycle. Lots of comments with zero actual experience. Like the comment about “make you go quicker then you’d be able to yourself”. Nonsense! Ever see anyone get on a bike and go down a hill? No motor… 30-40 mph, and your hoping they don’t hit a pothole, or sharp turn. Or, how about creaking up a hill, huffing and puffing (possible heart attack) meanwhile traffic is wizzing by… then the weaving begins due to exhaustion, so they get off and walk!!! Right. So bicycles with or without an assist motor can be dangerous. Seen the same comments about bicycles vrs joggers vrs walking vrs massive stroller traffic jams. Then there are the wheel chairs vers the traffic lights… and don’t let me even get started about those seniors with walkers!!! Wow, tolerance much?

Hopping into the I see wagon. I’ve seen more road cyclists that go much faster than most e-bike riders. It’s not the type of bike, it’s the lack of bike infrastructure that make it dangerous to cyclist - whether they use e-bikes or road bikes, gravel bikes, folding bikes , etc.

Zero makes good EV motorcycles, worth checking out

Always wear your gear and be careful m8, even on an eBike if you eventually get one. If you’re 20mph or over you need a full face helmet and armor!

That's America for you. Only for cars, neglecting everything else. People have told me it's fine, you can still ride your bike 🙄

@@austinhernandez2716 Yeah, I mean you can't really expect the average person to be comfortable with that kind of danger on a daily basis. Regardless what's at fault for said danger. The change has to happen to the infrastructure before any blame can be shifted onto an individual

@Veronika Zaglotovareally haven't needed repairs, local dealership work rates aren't bad and there's good community support around them for bolt ons and upgrades. Bolt on I did was easy enough

same. I hate using the streets. riding to my destination via the riverbeds is so much easier

But thats what makes it more dangerous, because for large stretches the car expects you to be seperated from them, then boom youre on their inside, when motorbikes are on the outside doing their overtake. So now you have to compete with them moving over to avoid an oncoming vehicle squeezing you in, or someone stepping off a path.

@@luckyspock you pay road tax and insurance due to the inherent damage, risk association(thousands of lbs, high speeds, can kill people-pedestrians, bicyclists, other drivers, etc)

@@luckyspock Boy do I have news for you: A road tax is not there to fund roads, it is an income stream for your state's treasury that they can spend on whatever they want.

@@luckyspock Hmm, because the injuries getting hit by a bicycle vs hit by a car are less severe. In addition, your 40-80 pound bike does FAR LESS road damage than the thousands of pounds of car.

reminded me of southeast asia, where mopeds are cheaper than ebikes or about the same price. it's faster, highway capable (to some extent) and more range than ebikes.

For real!!! I’ve been deciding between electric scooters, e bikes, electric motorcycles etc. All the standup scooters that can keep up with traffic are the same price as a cheap Venom E-Vader, which can keep up with traffic in my area. A $350 upgrade even more so. Of course my area doesn’t have good bicycle infrastructure either

Chinese moped can be bought cheap for under 1k, works great for commuting and 80mpg.

Az bro here too! I actually went for a 2.5k e bike and it's working pretty great so far. Mostly was looking to avoid gas and insurance fees and its pretty much paid half of itself off in what I've saved on that alone. One day when I have more time/money I'll go for a moto.

@@indenturedLemon yes but more dangerous. for this guy on the video to say ebikes are more dangerous than a motorcycle is telling a lie.

Yes and no in big or med size city cops will pretty much detain you for riding a Ebike on public paths hell friend got harassed for ridding his electric skateboard on a path

Exactly. Most of my commute is on separated bike paths. Much safer than a bike on the road.

That's what I would want it for, but honestly I would rather have one that can only go like 10mph not 50mph lol Just something to help me get up hills.

Staying away from cars as much as possible is a true bicycle survival skill. Car drivers simply don't see or care for bicyclists.

@@phil4986 Bingo! Circle gets the square!

In San Diego, motorists are RUTHLESS and don't give a shit about cyclists. I had an electric scooter that looked like a vespa but only went 30mph that was way more dangerous than my two motorcycles. I had to add a flashing bike light so motorists I've I didn't go that fast (even though I used almost all bike lanes). Be safe out there 🤙

@@zer08927 in the UK the 50cc scooter/moped is often the first step for a teenager (you can ride one at 16, a whole year before you can look at cars or bigger bikes). You need some basic training before you're allowed on the road, but then off you go. I own 3 motorcycles (250, 600 and 1000), and you couldn't pay me to ride a 50cc these days, there's just not enough power to keep up with traffic, and if you can't sit in the middle of your lane and own your space, you're going to get pushed to the curb, forgotten and ignored until someone squashes you. Hell I have people try to bully and tail gate me when I'm in traffic on my 1000cc FFS... Like they could keep anywhere near me on an open road - Did I mention the 1000cc has carbs and does pretty impressive kill switch back fires? Does great for tailgaters if I can get enough roll to get some fuel into the pipes! lol!

@@zer08927 it works the same where I live (EU). You have to go 50/90 km/h otherwise everyone will try to overtake you no matter what. 600ccm bike is safer than 50ccm

@@juststeve5542 Motorcycle safety courses in the US are often taught on 1000cc+ harleys and shit... And I could go get my motorcycle license with no MSF course, pass the test, and go buy a ninja H2 with no restrictions

@@juststeve5542 had a try on a 50cc when I studied in Europe. I swear it's even worse than Honda C50 my grandad had. Screams when trying to carry me up a hill.

It's better to now. A lot of work is put into bike infrastructure in germany

Same

In 1983 I rode a figure 8 without touching my foot down. A 15 question quiz later I had my endorsement.

Same weekend license here

Ah you must live in the us

Taught myself to ride, went to the DMV for license, was told to ride around the block while the instructor filled out my information.😁

Cars are the ones that should have their speed limited. But no, they put it on everyone else to take safety measures because car makers and drivers are dangerous and irresponsible. smh

@@peterjv8748 this is the dumbest fucking comment I've seen in a while.

What to you is a reasonable speed? In Canada ebikes are limited to 32km/h, well below our lowest speed limits of 40 in school zones. Meanwhile cars can and DO regularly go well over with no effort at all. Cars if anything should be limited. With all the tech in cars Im surprised theyre not synced with google maps and limited to the speed for the road

​@theepimountainbiker6551 I don't know where you live, but here in Calgary the school zone limit is 30km/h.

Everyone should have good infrastructure, because traffic calming techniques are more effective than speed limits. You shouldn't feel the need to go 60km/h in a bike lane, or 60km/h in a car on a city street.

How’s the zero holding up? I’d love to buy one but zero pulled out of Australia for some reason.

@@mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310 I was just going to ask the same thing. lol

I test rode most of the Zeros, a few years back, and the FXS gave me the most smiles. It would be great for a short commute, as it’s so quick and nimble. But for me, for a quick blast, just for pure fun, it’s hard to beat. It would definitely be my number one choice if I were to buy a motorcycle again.

@@markparker5585 Well if Democrats had their way, they would take all the gas vehicles off the road right now and force us into electric or public transportation. The problem with that is my commute is fairly long that zero cycle vehicles probably would be out of juice before I made it home. Cheers

@@mikesimpson6757 what's your commute?

same here LOL

All I can think about is how tame forums are nowadays compared to 2004. Rated PG by comparisson.

But they do have that! In every US state the max speed for a ebike is 20mph in Europe it is 15.5mph. He is riding around on a ebike that does 37mph and tries to make a comparison. He is breaking the law!

@@sambadham1404 wawa wawa the chattel care about laws lol

what did you mean by 'acoustic bicycles'?

lels I just left a comment saying they should go check out your channel 😹 but yeah I think motorbikes could also benefit from dedicated infrastructure like motorcycles only lanes and little stop boxes at the front of the traffic queue (or just a train to commute so you can use bikes for recreation). the pro’s of an e bike compared to motorbike is 1) you can take it indoors to your office or on a train 2) cheaper to buy and maintain 3) exercise is great for you 4) less noise and combustion pollution to the environment 5) A bicycle is like the perfect example of a circular economy product. It can be repaired and maintained and can technically last forever and if you want a better one you can upgrade components. Really good on the reduce reuse recycle thing because you can almost always find someone who wants your old bike (so it doesn’t just get sent to a scrap heap)

Downhill is a thing

80 people died in 2021 on ebikes in the netherlands lets assume 60 (high) are elderly would not call that alarming since we can't judge how many elderly are in better shape to begin with as a result of staying mobile.

Ebikes have a severe speed limitation in the entire EU

@@biggibbs4678 Yeah still the number of deaths i outlines are true i looked them up.The slight increase is mostly do to way more older people biking longer as a result of ebikes who have een riding yhem for a decade only last 3 or 4 years younger people moved to them in mass. Of the nearly 1M bikes sold last year more than 50% where evbikes.

Speed might apply...

Very true, my retired sister just injured herself dismounting her e-bike. I've been riding motorcycles for almost 50 years, never an injury worse than an exhaust burn.. not saying I'm invincible, but there's something to this story..

I used to ride bikes a lot but took a break for a while. I am interested in getting an e bike now. Do you think it would be okay if I just used my e bike on its lowest petal assist setting?

@@TheGreatWasian_ - You'll get a feel for it after a few days. I started slow then got comfortable running at it's full speed at 20mph which feels perfect (not too fast or slow). You can always temper it with the breaks, or lower the max-speed setting, at a moment's notice. They're really quite easy to control.

You are making an assumption.

If not, you should be!

He should be

@@KLRJUNE did the video not say manufacturers voluntarily withdrew them to *prevent* them from being made illegal. I seem to remember that or am I mistaken?

@@KLRJUNE " In January 1988, sales of new three-wheel all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) were banned in the United States because of the high incidence of injury associated with their use, especially by children" according to Pubmed.org. I had to look it up, I wasn't sure.

@@ronaldm4392 it appears that it was a consent decree...very similar to a ban in its result. And apparently it has lapsed but the manufacturers are still abiding by it. I would say the wording is close enough to correct for a title. www.carscoops.com/2021/01/the-story-of-how-and-why-three-wheel-atvs-were-banned/

Yes, this guy seems to be riding the speed equivalent of a small moped without gearing up for it. I'd say this is on him and not the e-bike that seems to be going much over the legal limit.

@@Cobalt985 did he say it does 60 on the flats. It’s been quite a while since I’ve been to Vancouver, but I seems to remember there were these things called hills.

@@Cobalt985 yup. The vast majority of ebikes are the ones going 25kph. Dude's trying to make a point about ebikes while using an example that doesn't even make up 10% of ebikes on the streets.

In the UK all ebikes are restricted and you'd struggle to get to to 30 mph on one.

meanwhile in the real world, non powered vehicles do this regularly on hills and bridges. These are the people that stop you from being in traffic 24/7, so you should be nicer to them.

Bikes of all kinds are supposed to follow the same road rules as cars, yet most riders don't. That's the problem. You don't even have to know how a stop sign works. Why does flying a drone require a license but not hurling yourself into traffic?

@@smoothbraindetainer I agree with you here. I used to commute on my old, creaky road bike, and aside from crossing red lights and rolling stop signs when there was no one coming, I was always a conservative rider. I'm a conservative driver, and a conservative motorcycle rider, too, and it's served me well. Gotta remember that as a cyclist, YOU are ultimately responsible for your safety, and not the other drivers on the road. Keep alert, keep your distance, and don't assume the other guy is going to do what you expect him to.

Don't your e-bikes have speed limitators at 20kph for pedalling assist by law? Don't you have to get a licence to drive anything that can go faster than that without any effort from you?

@@MarcelaElviraTimis it's usually about double that. And those speed limiters are a joke. Companies write "do not remove this plug or the speed limit function will be disabled" because they know nobody is following that.

@@smoothbraindetainer there are places where you get fined heavily for that and if you don't have a driver's licence the consequences are... bigger

on top of that, if you look at the people in those clips, they're clearly not the brightest people. Like who tf darts in traffic without watching where you're going or cross a street on a RED LIGHT! I've been biking for years and have never done that.

Or he has a commute like mine where there are a few hills in the way. My E-Bike is compliant with EU regulation but I'm still hitting peak speeds 40kph on a lazy day. 60 is a bit more effort but possible. The trick to survival is to do this on the parts of your route where there is no one around and the visibility is good enough to make sure that there also won't be anyone around until you slow down again.

@@painexotic3757 You will be surprised. Motorcyclists does this it lane splitting often and at high speed. We often have to worry for their lives more than the cyclist themselves.

Ikr, there’s a point where a difference in speed becomes a difference in kind

@@painexotic3757 fixie riders

You're not supposed to ride an ebike in rain anyway

It's because we are just entering the transition period, away from cars to other forms of transportation. Teenagers are teenagers they need to experience risk in order to develop properly and not end up anxiety-ridden like the current generation of coddled kids. But society needs to enable that while minimizing the chance they seriously hurt themselves. So separate cycling infrastructure, low speed limits on neighbourhood streets, requiring cars to be tested for pedestrian & cyclist collision safety, and some extra steps to obtain high speed electric transportation should be on the agenda. But e-bike wheelies shouldn't be a cause for concern.

@@agilemind6241 No not the wheelies in and of themselves. That is kids being kids. I was referring to the wheelies as a sign of how much immediate available power and torque on command some of these bikes have. It's not just power assist to pedaling ibut straight up push button throttle control. A speed limiter can be well and good but it is not the only type of power restriction I would consider. If the top speed has a limiter of 15 or 20 mph ( just for example, I've no idea what actual speed limit should be) but if a kid can accelerate zero to that speed in a second flat (again just for example number) that would also be "motor cycle levels of performance" that I would qualify as needing some kind of operators lísiense but not necessarily an over the age of 16 full blown drivers license either. There might even need to be a few different stages of license but roughly speaking I think any bicycle the has performance levels that surpass what an average non power road bicycle could on level ground should require some level of operators license. The helmet thing is still an issue as well. Before anything else I'd have bicycle required to be immediately impounded if they are caught riding without a helmet and while under age. I would make if a minimal or even no fine, especially for the first offense. I'm sure that for the most part the repercussions having their parents go down to an impound to pick up their bicycle would be plenty of punishment.

In Ryan's defense not all e-bikes are limited t 32km/hr. My MTB is but my wife's commuter is not. She boasts of hitting 45km/hr and sometimes nearly 50km/hr ON THE FLAT.

@Strawberry Kiys 60km/h in bicycle more dangerous simply on stoping capabilities. put wider tyre and hydrolic brakes on

@Strawberry Kiys did you not see the video? Motorcyclists have full gear such as armour jacket, gloves, kevlar/leather pants, boots, helmet and airbag vest. cyclists dont have that luxury and are more in danger if hit by a car.

If you were going downhill when hitting the 60, that completely negates the electric part, I can do 60kph on an unpowered bike as well going down hill. This video makes no sense, as we're now comparing motorcylces to ordinary bikes.

@@den-iq1cv eh, 95kmh was max speed I ever had on a bicycle and I had to pedal to archive that on a fire road down. Hydraulic brakes are common on e bike's here. Some are still no disc brake but hydraulic. 40 kph with my MTB on asphalt, I can stop in 5meters. Tires are 29x2.6" upfront and 29x2.45" on the back. Tires are expensive in the MTB realm, 60€ each. Brakes are as usually hydraulic, 203mm rotors front and back. Sinter metal pads. Brakes are the most expensive ones 450€ each. Would be possible even with the cheaper 75€ brake's.

Agree. Education is the key to mitigate for a safer ride. However majority of cyclist don't care about the rules of the road. They cut people and cars off, they ride or rather fly on the sidewalks, most of them expect the cars to give them the right of way simply because they are on a bike. I've seen them riding side by side just so they can have a conversation...😄and holding up the traffic. The truth is most cyclist don't take the time to know the rules of the road...it is the same as driving a car. But because it doesn't suit them, they choose to ignore it and as a result the cyclist end up being injured.

Couldn't have been said better. People need to learn the hard way unfortunately. I never think that I have the right away. I always keep the mind set that cars don't see me. And I wait for the nod of validation 😂 Follow those rules and you'll be cherry

@@cosmoray9750 Cyclists are statistically far less likely to cause accidents than cars or motorcyclists tho. For every shit cyclist there are dozens if not hundreds of shit motorists.

Well... in the words of idk who..., "they 'gon learn today.". Most accident's aren't fatal or life changing... they'll be alright. A bruised ego and a broken arm.

I’m just saying, if you didn’t barrel down a monster of a hill and crashed either into a tree or went flying from hitting a curb then what are you doing in life

people with expensive road bikes can usually get up to 25-30mph speeds without electric assistance

@@jakermeister269 And super cars can easily do 200mph, that doesn't mean people expect to encounter them on a downtown commute. Moron.

@@sdghtjsdcgs you're comparing 25-30mph to 200mph in a city commute. ok makes sense

No need to get aggressive - you're both correct. The problem is that an e-bike that can pull 50kph or more is not an e-bike, it's an electric motorcycle, and should be treated as such.

I think they should be at 30 km/h not 30 mph lol, ppl don't know how to bike

Regulation is not a solution for imbecility, ebike riders should be careful, not limited

They are not in the United States?! 25 kph and dedicated bicycle infrastructure is what makes bicycles safer than scooters here in the Netherlands. (I ride both). Also, bicycle helmets are fairly flimsy (although will help), but still do not make cycling on 80 kph roads safe.

@@sybrandwoudstra9236 Bicycle helmets are very important to use, especially if ur riding fast. But I've been to the Netherlands as a cyclist, and everyone watched us like aliens, just because we rode with helmets on :D

@@princeg973 If there are no bicycle lanes, you should (not need to by law) put on a helmet, although I doubt it will save you from a car which is traveling at 80 kph (50 mph).

@@sybrandwoudstra9236 I don't know why a car should hit me at 80 kmph, but I agree there woudn't be a big advantage using a helmet. But riding hills and mountains, I can easily hit 65+kmph on my road bike, and if I get a puncture or anything similar, I'd prefer that my helmet would get rasped away by the tarmac rather than my skull. And I have already been in situations, where a helmet made a diffrence. I grew up using a helmet, and I don't see a reason why not to use one. It isn't unconvenient for me. But in the Netherlands the bike lanes are great and most people ride with the so called Holland-bikes. So people don't exceed speeds over 25 kmh. Nevertheless I still would be using a helmet.

They understand cycling.

Jep! Here in Germany too. 60 mph on a cycle with no gear at all? Damn! And you guys are complaining about no speed limits on the Autobahn? I mean i know whats more dangerous! :D Greetings to the Dutch and to everybody who reads this!

Same here in Switzerland... Look at bikes in general. Most of them don't have safety equipment (light, reflectors, mirrors).

The UK is much the same, except higher power bikes aren't really recognised by law at all, and would technically just be classed as motorbikes. I'm a cyclist and a motorcyclist and I'm not convinced this 'X is more dangerous than Y' type coverage is particularly helpful. So what? The fact is we should push for better infrastructure for all, and it benefits all of us if people with short commutes are incentivised to ride bicycles and ebikes. Likewise, a motorcycle is better for longer distances, but still takes up a lot less space than a car.

Idiotic European regulations.

It's technically the same case in the UK, it's illegal to use an E-bike which goes over 15.5mph under its own power without a motorcycle license. However, the problems with that are that if you make one which goes faster, you have to register it as a motorcycle and get a numberplate etc etc, which is easier said than done. As it is, my E-bike does about 22mph and I have a license, but I'm not going through the hassle of registering it given how low the speed is

This, when he said he went at 60 in his bike I was shocked, no ebike here can reach those speeds, that's an electric motorcycle masquareding as an ebike.

@@henriquerauen yea In the USA the legal speed for a ebike is 28 mph if it’s a class 3 750 watt anything higher then that is not considered a E-bike and needs to get registered as a moped

@@henriquerauen but since the USA is so car dependent verses Europe people can get away with more powerful E bikes than 750 Watts so here’s the ultimatum E bikes in the United States can go faster compared to Europe. However, the USA has shit bike infrastructure, which makes it a lot more dangerous compared to Europe, where the bike infrastructure is amazing.

@@coreykirby1632 that's insane, waaay too fast to be safe in a bike. In those circumstances I'd agree that a motorcycle would be safer. Ebikes that can go this fast are basically motorcycles with shitty brakes, worst grip, shitty speed control (accelerator) etc. It's a shitty motorcycle disguised as a bike.

2:00 e-woah

Stupid cyclists of course

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@@NomadFM And stupid BMW cars drivers of course

Yes but we are all stupid sometimes, often without even knowing it. To err is to human. Your attitude reeks of a superiority complex.

@@zUJ7EjVDa stupid cyclist makes an excuse about infants.

Quite thankful for that actually, enough dangerous incompetents around already on 25kmh limited ones.

This is the same/similar to the UK and I think it's fair enough.

@@Exgrmbl 25kph or 50kph.. speed, incompetence and stupidity. The human condition excels in two of them.. and it ain't speed. 😅

yeah but ebikes over 25 seem inpractical. drivers see you as a bycicle and expect you to get off the street and on the bikelane. i personally prefer my limited bike for fun and commuting :)

@@Exgrmbl exactly what I thought of as really dangourous, too. Just got rammed by one and quite many close hits of those as I stopped my old school bike (without electricity) at a stop sign. At a stop sign. When traffic was coming. ...

Except one thing... filtering. Here in North America we are forced to act like cars. I feel plain stupid sitting there waiting to be crushed in a concertina accident when I moto to work. A bicycle can just wiz past on the bike lane.

@@JasonWD As long as it's done responsibly I agree about that

3:02 A car then a pedal cycle then a motorcycle. Car 57x safer than a motorcycle. Pedal cycle 4 x safer than a motorcycle. I'm not sure they were the stats you were after?

@@martinlong8739 Motorcycle have bright lights, turn signals and CAN RIDE ON THE ROAD. a bicycle is doomed to get smashed because you cannot ride in the middle of the street and "take your place". you are BY LAW required to be on the side of the road. no more than a dog.

As long as ur in the US because none of this is relevant to Uk electric bikes which are limited to 15.5mph top speed. The top speed this guy achieved on an electric bike is 40mph. I ride motorbikes as well, 25yrs now with full licence, and on our uk roads, riding a motorbike nowadays is far more dangerous.

@@Francois_Dupont Hello Francois, I agree with all you have put except the stats provided at 3:02 show you are 4 x more likely to be killed on a motorcycle than a pedal cycle. And 57 x more likely to die on a motorcycle than in a car. I own a motorcycle, car and an ebike but those stats are quite sobering.

A gigantic chunk of motorcycle injury and death stats is just the rider. Drunk, stoned, incompetent, racing, sqidding, street fighting, stunting, children on liter bikes, pillions when the rider himself is barely competent or sober, .... That may or may not be a majority, but it is a pretty solid slice of the gravel eating pie.

They are!

That a bit frightening to me. My father tough me to think for the others. And it helped me foresaw some potential accident (with calm and good reflexe)

That's what my Dad always said haha

Everyone is already trying to kill me.

@@Visiorary They're not. Don't be silly.

It's hard to remember this is essentially marketing for fortnine.ca probably because quality videos and quality recommendations come first and there are barely even any advertisement for the site and frankly it probably worked on me because whenever I get a bike im probably going to order gear off of fortnine.ca

Its a whole ass team

correct, if there weren't none he would be second to third, fourth, etc,

I don’t know who None is but his videos must be amazing

What do you mean his filming style ia second to none?

Yeah but this makes e-bikes useful only in mountains or for people with under average fitness level

@@damiannn23 I dont see the problem tbh. For normal people there's a normal bike that is so much more affordable. And moving a bike by your own builds your muscles and is healthy.

@@damiannn23 that's the point of e bikes. If you want a motorised vehicle, ride an e motorbike

@@damiannn23 Or, you know, experienced cyclists who'll be 60 next birthday and could use a hand over those hills. We exist too.

On a hilly terrain it makes the difference between arriving to work sweaty or not.

yep, act as if its a zombie apocalypse and they are all trying to smash open your brain for a tasty treat and you stand more chance of surviving to ride another day

Instructions unclear: the cop said I'm gonna be charged with indecent exposure.

I ride with the thought that car drivers are assholes until proven otherwise

exactly! I am invisible. nobody knows I am there, it is up to me and me alone, IF I'M IN AN ACCIDENT IT IS MY OWN FAULT, I failed to foresee a dangerous situation and avoid it. Having that philosophy will serve you much better than blaming cars and their drivers. Doesn't really matter who's fault it was if you're splattered on the road.

I drive with the assumption that all riders are suicidal as this seems to be the manner in which they ride, and the burden is on me not to facilitate their intentions lest I'm the one who gets charged for it...

We all do it, for a long time now

yes sirrrr

And yes!

75% of the comment are gushing over how they deserve an Academy Award. It's boring now.

Well I mean he does no?

You mean parking place for Ford Transits and Porsche Taycans? We already have that where I live

@@luchadorito Then prepare yourself with some windshield stickers and stick them when you get them on your bike lane. Maybe they will learn something from your message, or maybe not, but at least you did tried to change that.

"Dedicated bike lanes" is a misnomer. Those are the most basic, unprotected form of bike lanes. What you're probably thinking of is called a cycletrack. Check out NACTO! nacto.org/publication/urban-bikeway-design-guide/

Yes another waste of taxpayers money for an entitled minority

@@motoclonkdribblehead5423 Why do you hate keeping people safe, healthy, and alive? That ought to be what taxes are for! Want to talk about entitlement? Like when unhealthy, angry people exert the smallest force in their calf muscle to rocket 7000lbs of metal toward human beings, all while killing the planet? You mean that sort of entitlement? get outta here

Of course they take fast ebike, and they say its sooo dangerous, image if i said going 200kph on motorcycle is dangerous, of course it is. I mean not a lot of people drive 65kph on ebike, mine goes max at 45

Add in some downhill and I can see it happening on a vanilla e-bike. I usually hit ~41kph going downhill on a peddle bike/my e-bike without assist.

In Japan it’s like 24 kph. It’s way too slow. Also you could hit 60 kph on a long straight downhill with tailwind pretty easily

@@hamsterdam7589 It's not too slow. It's a bike. you want to travel faster, get equipment like a motorcyclist insurance and such

In the UK and Europe, the maximum is 25 km/h. At that speed, I don't think an ebike would be more dangerous than a motorcycle

I typically like to cover my 'personality' with at least a pair of pants, but you do you :P

I live in AZ where they tried to mandate bicycle helmets a while back - but motorcycles? Helmet is not necessary--- crazy

@@pewpewdragon4483 killer haha

I do... NOT tryna lose teeth over fun

@@BradTech. how does a bicycle helmet save your teeth?

Ah, that's probably a side effect of all that adrenaline of nearly dying countless times in your commute.

@@GashimahironChl 😂😂 might be.

Yeah me too, I then bought a motor bike, but thought I might return to the ebike for a bit in the summer months. Defo felt scared on the roads on an ebike. Just use it for recreational trips now.

@@juzzlookin lol the plus is I can where I want basically

@@GashimahironChl That "get to live for another day"-feel really gets you through the work week

lol...I agree

That's a brilliant idea

yeah man!

International please. I want people in austria to see this too.

In every country

but is a great conclusion

@@Trioptio If you leave us alone first.......

It is interesting that every time you tell somebody that you ride a motorcycle, they have some horrifying story of somebody who got killed or maimed on motorcycle. You will never hear such story about the bicycle or minivan. It is almost like defense mechanism. I can't do that, it is too dangerous. Kind of like vaccine. I want vaccine, why don't you. Kind of reverse but, same fear mechanism.

It was a topic I never thought about. Very informative. Not something I would be offended by. I bet you never thought about it......

It is, you were weaving through trees on a controlled enviroment, you safety relied mostly on yourself and your skills. When using a motorcyle in public roads your safety depends not only on you, but also on the thousands other road users, and some of them are just complete idiots.

@@denismiranda1372 most are complete idiots ;)

@Circadian Circus That’s great to hear! Good that both sports are borrowing features and designs from each other. In the end everyone wins because we get more freedom to do whatever it is that we want to do on the mountain 😃

@@denismiranda1372 That's why you need to get a motorcycle license and proper gear. People act like most people just hop on a motorcycle with no gear and crank it to 200 mph the second they get their hands on one. That image is incredibly far from the truth. Millions in Europe commute on motorcycles just fine.

Michael Schumacher

Same here. I just bought a ebike in August (300 miles so far ) and I usually only ride on the busy streets if they have a dedicate bike lane or a really wide 2 lane road. Besides that its more fun exploring side streets you usually avoid when driving.

Truly important to stay AWAY from danger. Specially until we see changes in our roadways and rules.

This video is so disingenuous. Obviously don't ride it recklessly and don't go too fast. If you use it as a pedal assist when you want to have some cargo, or just want to cruise up a hill instead of sweating your ass off they are great and not any more dangerous than a regular bike. A lack of bike and pedestrian infrastructure is the real problem.

@@rlanesports QA

@@populal what's up

In the Netherlands they can go up to 25 and up to 45 with a license plate and helmet.

idk if people in rural areas can "safely" go faster so much as they are taking on more risk due to poorer infrastructure, but there's so little traffic so the danger doesnt feel real until a car flies out of a blind crest and turns you into pudding. then your leftovers are removed and it feels safe to the next cyclist.

@@yanDeriction I'm talking about sidewalks though, not roads. Where I live, sidewalks are for bikes and people - and they're usually very empty. So I don't care about going at 22km/h when i have a big stretch of empty in front of me.

​@@logitech4873 I wish it were legal for me to bike on the sidewalk

BECOME UNGOVERNABLE RIDE BIKES FAST

I thought about building one, but my state (NSW Australia) has it regulated to all buggery. 200W or 250W the last time I checked, and a third of a horse is just not worth it.

@@carneeki Thats most places actually. Here is the US many states are limited to 500W and a few have 250W restrictions, only one state is very good at enforcing it and thats New York. I live in the most forgiving state, MN. Minnesota allows for 1000w bikes. And if you go beyond that, you are not illegal nor legal, ride at your own risk and stay off trails, as trails generally will not allow e-bikes. outfit your bike with lights and mirrors for safety and to avoid troubles with police

@@carneeki gov, killing Innovation one thousand regulations at a time. The worse part is they often kill so many unexplored opportunities as they have so little knowledge of any field they just go with "sounds good" regulations. Then usually find out the treatment is far worse than the symptom. In this case, speed of electric bicycles are the same as mopeds (but you can pedal them?)

@@Likely_Alucard That just sounds like an electric motorcycle with more steps...

50%... For real??

Especially dutch, Denmark second Belgium third..

Compare to the US, it is.

@@armchairwarrior963 yep. Same with Canada. Come springtime and you'd think no-one had ever seen a 2-wheeler (just like the first snowfall of winter you'd think it had never snowed up here before).

That’s a lie u get arrested for using an electric scooter

Motorbikes are quite common here though

Exactly! I was a regular bicycle rider for 25 years or so. I was living in downtown San Diego at the time and with all the hills I would get some speed on that bike. I had two accidents that put me in a hospital within a two year span and bought a motorcycle soon after. Better brakes, the power to get myself out of bad situations and most importantly, better PPE.

Same with me. And i want to add, as a bicyclist i never had a problem with other cars or pedestrians, but with other bicyclist. That is, because i learned to use my brain, therefore i never had a crash for decades with my motorcycle, and that is helpful on a bicycle too.

@@stefanmargraf7878 how is "using your brain" going to stop a drunk driver? Unless you use it to break the windshield

@@stefanmargraf7878 I use my brain therefore I don't have a crash. Maybe the stupidest logic I've ever heard. You cannot account for others

@@stefanmargraf7878 hahaha I got it.... just look at the comment over me... THAT is not how to use your brain hahahahaha