Ellen, the shark girl, made her debut as the first limited S-rank character banner but quickly faced backlash and controversy due to her 2D art design. #ellen #hoyocreators #zzz #zzzgameplay #zzzero #darkos88
I actually downloaded it and tried it...only to delete my account and apps after 10 minutes where I felt a wave of misery just looking on there. Thank goodness I saw the warning sign lol.
she's still in high school because she was held back a year. I read that in her lore, she failed the final exams. She's 18/19. she just has to redo her last year XD
I haven't found anywhere that's listed any of the character's ages, best I could make were rough estimates, like how the Phaethon siblings look to be in their early 20s. Where's the lore that stated Ellen's repeating her last year?
@@TheEvanDude112 I just remember someone stating that she's repeating a grade. but I did find someone who picked apart her trailer and did the math. she's 18
Oh, I ask it all the time. Then they get angry and ironically say I'm the pervert, haha. This one? I literally wouldn't have noticed, had I not seen images with a big ol' arrow pointed at that part, and a bunch of fake outrage.
@@VeggyZyes, but people who are terminally online notice problems where there are none like it’s literally their fucking purpose in life, the do their damndest to let everyone know about it 😂
I mean as a woman even I noticed it & wondered why they did that like people were going to pull her already why did they need to show where her nips are like do they think by showing the nips outline more people would wsnt her 😂
They're really just upset that MoHoYo made her uh, smokin' hot. That's literally the only thing they're pissed about. They made a chick with a fish tail, which WOULD be great for those people, if she wasn't hot. They'd be like "finally, someone like me!" - lol But she's hot, and they're jealous of a cartoon. Jealous of a drawn character. All that other stuff is a side issue, or none at all. Half of them are pedophiles anyway, so her being a "high schooler" is clearly not an issue. It's an EXCUSE because they want her to be nasty and ugly. Same story with every hot character in any game, and Twitter twitts.
This is gacha game bro, you don't know why people play this games. Make no Booba characters, aka male characters only gacha game & see the billion dollar company on the street selling their game to gay Americans adviced by Sweet baby Inc.
That's not irony. That's like someone calling 911 because a tiger is in their school and you saying "that's ironic, because most schools are full of tigers".
@@ludo_narr you missed a part of his sentence though (not saying you're right or wrong, you might want to read the comment again, or not, do as you please of course)
They shouldn't mind those people, honestly I didn't notice it either, they must have been staring at the 2D art with no distance from the screen at all, judging the air around her and how she breathing it.
Their just attention hoggers they rambling about a 2D art seriously I didn't even care about the 2D art cause I was directly looking at what his skills and how strong she is and her stats seriously that's just art that's not even the real character in game, and the hell they on about her tail nobody freaking cares about her tail it's a character of course it's unreal are they trying to be an expert on aquatic animals tail it's a fcking anime girl nothing makes sense she's wearing a maid outfit in broad daylight with a real shark tail does that makes sense to YOU?!, now you care how long her tail is HUH?!! does a freaking wolf wearing a butlers outfit makes sense, now you're measuring a tail so that it would look like a real shark I would gladly understand them talking about how her skills might be weak or anything to add on her stats that I'll understand ,but this is just plain dumb it's a game complain on the gameplay that's all
They would go around every post and comments replying hate msg about literally anything (minor or not) and would be happy when they find "companion" that also acknowledge the same
Now tell them they don't put the same effort into bringing down actual cultures in the world where PDFs are just "everyday life" and watch them curve ball to oblivion. You know why? Cuz those cultures actually tend to hit back quite unproportionally to the point of waking up in hospital, an artist does not...
@@RealZai12nope, perfect point if you wanna accept fictional shit happening and not face consequences for it (like killing a character for instance, which happens all the time), then youre gonna accept that for every facet of fiction as a concept. Including when things get down bad or diabolical if you dont like it, then stick to bibliographies and newspapers, fictional stories might freak you out too much
@@itsClaptrap i’m not listening to anyone named claptrap, or any fnaf name in fact, cause most of them look like this: 🫃 and smell like this: 🚽 and most of them watch Yosuga no sora and enjoyed it. Your point is invalid.
I only noticed it because clothes don’t wrap around boobs like that. Everytime an artist does that it either means they aren’t good at drawing or they’re trying to make the character look sexy. I think we both know which one it is since the art isn’t bad… Edit: Some of y’all need to stop the denial and ASK YOURSELF “What are the company’s intentions when they design a character this way?”
As a 16 year old girl with a lager chest, can confirm that teenage girls also have bodies and to draw them realistically doesnt mean your sexualizing them
realistically the bump is always hard to cover if it's just one thin clothing like in her 2D same as ganyu, so they aren't doing it on purpose for marketing for say, but to actually have it accurately made, some may say give her a bra or something but with that clothing, it'll show the outline way too obviously still don't understand why they even paid attention to that detail, I never noticed it until it was pointed out
@@Gloomyshrom yeah no you can tell this is an intentional s*xualization thing not a realism thing based on their clothing and character writing. Totally not okay for a character written to be in highschool.
It's just natural 😭 I noticed that zzz arts are more to the realistic side, so it just makes sense to have drawn that realistically. The fact is that if they're complaining about it, it mean that if someone sees a idk 17 yo girl on the street with big chest they would point it out to her? They're just creeps that pretend to be in the right.
Ngl, never noticed it on ganyu, but it’s a lot more noticeable on Ellen, specifically because they only show the top half of her 2D art in the banner, so it’s super zoomed in
Because it makes them hard for a "highschooler" which is underage and undermines their cred about their logic that it shouldn't be okay to have thoughts of sexualizing those and under characters
@@Erkis2020 Bro this is literally the "draws an adult" greentext but the character is more likely to be an adult (ironically enough), stop being disingenous.
@@InfinitySevens I can draw an "adult" and make her age 7. It doesn't matter because it's fiction. If drawn to be to adult then have antis stop saying Marin is underaged in my dress up darling and see how that goes
@@happierthanever6959 well at least you don't deny it and then try to accuse other people of being one. That's the problem I have with all this forced outrage and virtue signaling. Bet you those same people won't even bother typing a word for real child exploitation. Most of them don't, haha... so the virtue, if it exists at all in their actions, is exceedingly shallow.
@@VeggyZ Did I say I enjoyed seeing this on a young girl? No. And yes I'm perverted because I like to analyze parts like breasts and buttocks because I like the variety and the differences that exist. I draw a lot of naked bodies to promote body diversity, especially among women. Here I'm just looking at how designators were able to do this and leave this. You don't know me, so why judge me right away krkrkr? Bisous ! Oublie pas de réfléchir 2min avant de parler; tu ne connais pas la personne sur internet à quoi ça te sert de faire le moralisateur 😬 Bye bye !
@@karma4859 Agreed. But we still have to acknowledge that Twitter has some of the most shittiest people you'll ever meet. They can get mad over minor, insignificant details just because it doesn't suit their tastes.
@@karma4859 the thing is that twitter is the most popular mass of this effect. The same happens on here, on tiktok, twitch and etc. But there is just too much, you just open your for you and there is a bunch of people talking shit and some good persons.
it doesn't matter anyway, she's not real the devs could retcon her to be 30 tomorrow and it wouldn't change anything. They could also say she's 3 and it still wouldn't change anything it really doesn't matter
@@raikonenrotinsulu3179 except you can't see the coolest part of her design when you boot up zzz and go to wish for her? And can only see her upper body??? If you'd never seen any promo you would've only seen her tail from her demo game
It’s kinda hard not to notice when someone’s nips are poking out, idk why you’re expecting people to just look over it especially when gacha games have a weird obsession with focusing on adding nips
Sexual appeal is part of the game. No one is mad when Nicole does it, they're mad because she's in highschool. Also, you're blind if you can't see that lmao. "Oh i'm not horny all the time!!" The fact that you didn't realize it means that you're chronically online and have been normalizing sexualized game design
autistic people tend to look in the middle of a photo or art piece first thing, whereas non autistic people are drawn to faces first. they were probably looking at the middle which is why they saw it first
funny part is shes not a minor in the majority of the world. shes 16 or 17 and the majority has it around 16. and its not even really sexual, its weirdly detailed, but not sexual.
Edit: Jesus Christ what nuclear war did I start? 😱 Wish I could put my two cents in but this the rabbit hole I don't think I'm ready to comment. You do you I guess. So anyone under 18 aren't allowed to have nipples? That biologically makes no sense, everyone has nipples regardless of age.
I had several girls in my high school with huge calcium cannons, E or F if I'm not mistaken. I remember clearly because they tried to change the dress code several times. They would give speeches at school events and meetings, arguing that the bras that were part of the school uniform gave no support for big breasts and that they would get serious back and neck pain. But they didn't succeed. On the other hand, art is just art, paint, and pixels. Let the artists do whatever they want. If you don't want to support them you are also free to do so.
this has to be the wildest thing ive heard in the past few months wth. But i agree, this is art being art, ppl got no problem with it when its in their taste though..
@@BWPNC No, don't be weird dawg it's not something that's hard to see. Depicting characters who aren't adults in ways like that(and are expressly stated as such) is weird, and you know it. Literally a single glance over at her art shows it
@@BWPNC and why not? It's not hard to fit her as a university student at least but they choose to make her a high school girl who you can see her dammned beauty spot. If you as a potential adult don't see an issue please take a second and think
Literally the only reasons why I open Twitter: 1) Subscribed to my friend. 2) Subscribed to one artist who draws aesthetic SFW arts of slime girls. 3) Subscribed to few awesome and wholesome Touhou animators. Ignorance is a bliss. Too bad I realised it AFTER I saw enough sh!t to start agreeing with Megatron's views on humanity 💀
Fun fact: Hoyo is headquartered in China last time I looked. Fun fact 2: AoC (age of consent) in China is 14. Do with this information as you please to make informed opinions on the situation.
People on Twitter will treat fictional characters like they are real people and real people like they are fictional. And they will get mad at you for knowing the difference.
Quoting the same argument when the case is different doesn't make you right. She's in high school, the dev sexualised her. Simple as that Atleast tell the audience she's already of age. This is not a hentai game, respect your own game.
I also was mainly focused on the tail when you first see her. I appreciate the assets tho. Didn’t realize the female chest was so terrifying to people tho.
I think it's the fact that her "beauty spot" is somewhat visible rather than her having a normal female chest which may or may not be weird since she is a teenager after all, if people were scared about the female chest then i think theyd complain about the other female characters but they didn't soooo.
@Ermakshually It's also not abnormal for some girls/women to be "gifted," and I mean that in the least strange way possible. I am not trying to appreciate Ellen, just stating the objective truth.
@@Ermakshually So what is the problem? Stop screwing about such stupid things, now showing a fictional character's "nipples" is a war crime, people who complain are losers.
@@shimsokshim2995yeah it’s normal for some girls to just have a big chest but her design is made purposefully to put emphasis on her chest, and then the 2d art just makes it even worse by making her clothes unrealistically tight around ONLY her chest so that you can see every detail of it like it’s bare. They’re very clearly trying to sexualize her, even if they try to say they’re not.
You can have that size in middle school 💀. AND IN HIGH SCHOOL. theyre forgetting you can be an adult in high school too, since you’re like 18 when you leave
i aint saying they right. but that is not what they are saying is wrong. they are not complaining about the size, but the depiction of the nipple on someone underage.
The problem isn't that she isn't covered up enough to hide her natural physique, the issue is that Hoyoverse did this with an UNDERAGE character to appeal to perverted fans. If she was an adult it wouldn't be a problem
@@shar4803 miHoYo is a Chinese company, legal age in China is 14, she is also legal age in the majority of other countries around the world where the most common legal age is 16. Should they make all their characters 18 to avoid controversy? Yes. Will they? Doubt it.
@@nerveinz6453the very first Kiana you get to play in the game, White Comet, is in canon lore around 16 years old.... And she is wearing basically a skin tight latex suit
@@SirinGaming main story of Hi3 starts in 2016. according to comics, Kiana was born in 1998, thus making her 17-18 (her birthday is still in December, and idk the exact date of the 1st chapter, so likely she was still 17, so still a minor, but not 16)
@@SirinGamingThat by definition is sexualization, yes? There are no explicit laws in the continental United States criminalizing the sexualization of fictional minors, but State Police might still bat an eye
I’m not even focused on the controversy of the 2D art…I’m more focused on wondering how she can wear a skirt or pants with that large tail. Would she have to specifically make clothes that have a big gap in the back? Or does she physically have to make one so it works? I dunno…
A killing doesnt make an injury suddenly alright. Bigger issue doesn't make the smaller issue irrelevant. Both should be gone. Also even if fullt clothed it is still sexualizing the girl
@@filypa101 Because if you're talking about sexualizing a child, you're a ped0phi1e. But if the character isn't a child, but sexy, then you're a.... a hero? Idk. I don't get all this. They don't like this, they don't like that. I come to games for gameplay, music, and good visuals. If the target audience of players likes the game in any of those criteria, why change the intended things for the sake of a bunch of weird people (who don't donate to games either, and sometimes don't even play any of them)?
Tbf, yunlin(if I remember the name correct) from hsr, who looks like child and a [probably Chinese culture idk] dancer also dress with a lot of skin shown and get the same drama, either way these type of feedback always come and go
Yet it isn't on her model. The only time characters are drawn like that is when artists intentionally make them "sexy" and "appealing" to certain audiences not to mention the way they posed her, everything about that image directs your eyes to her breast's also the fabric of the clothing in the art is skin tight and looks thin while the models looks thicker
@@saltyfrog3339 she is not real person so I couldn't care less whether she's a minor or not. but sure, if we go by your logic, she is in highschool, but she does not look that young either, so she's 16 at a minimum, and that's of age in most places around the world. so, what's the problem? why do you care so much? yes, they sexualized her, and if it bothers you, then avoid weeaboo games since they clearly aren't for you.
I think an extremely easy way to avoid such backlash is to make the characters attend college instead of school. It's not quite the same setting but similar enough
@@typeoddnamehere2362 gooners gotta goon huh? TBH you just can't please those people... if your game is all loli they complain about the lolis, if your game is all female they complain about representation for sizes... * flip table *
@@PrograError maybe don't put lolis in a game?? Even with the sham "but she's really 1000 years old" it's questionable at the very best, and still pretty gross
@@Arteaification You did not get their point at all. You just zoned in on a particular part of their comment and ignored the rest. Their point is it doesn't matter what they make, it still makes a controversy because someone has to make a problem. Like you. But I guess you don't mind having fictional young characters being placed in danger. Not many speak about how wrong it is for fictional kids to be the responsible, mature ones because the adults are too incompetent or are fine with throwing them into violent situations. No..... It's strange how these problems are selective? Western entertainment is actually worse with its fictional portrayal. Honestly I could pinpoint several actual problems and the artwork/designs are nowhere near a problem. Also, this can usually be an exaggeration of excharacter design. It's odd how you pick out anime types, but western does it too. Betty Boop in particular. Just let people make whatever they want to make.
@@mnArqal93 projection is what it is. Kinda like how some men complain about how some women dress, this is all just projections of their own feelings towards that situations. Seeing certain kind of drawings makes them feel some type a way and they feel guilty about it, so they complain about it as some sort of sick penance. Honestly I’m more wary towards those who complain and crying about pdf-ilia or sexual situations towards a literal drawing more than those who just laugh about it. Because those who complain are either can’t differentiate fiction and reality or they just straight up covering for their own wrong doing behind close door, either way it’s bad.
EXACTLY!!! lmao. I noticed that too the first time I saw the art, but I was only like "oh... anyway.. ". The fact that they making this a problem make me thinking that there's a problem in their self.
"Make her OF AGE" Which means WHAT EXACTLY?!?!?! I remember my own high school years quite well. I knew some girls from back then who were VERY well-developed at 16 and 17. In fact, I knew a couple who looked much older than they actually were.
Yes, we shouldn't slander women for what their supposed to have BUT with Hellen's case, she is in high-school, yes there are high-school girls with a more bigger bust size but this is where bra's come into place, bra's are made to stop the nipples from protruding, they made the 2D art with the intention of making her "beauty spot" that sharp, this is sexualizing a minor, this could've been avoided if she was in College.
@@jaltersimp9639 I mean, they complain about fully adult characters - lore-wise, who look as adult as Ellen's aesthetic - I see that crap even when they don't accentuate certain parts. It's almost always very contrived - especially so when it's over an anime-style drawn character. That adds a whole other layer of pathetic, to see people virtue signal over it. ...if you can even call such a contrived outrage virtue signaling at all since it implies the opposite to me, and shows me exactly where their focus fell the instant they saw the character, haha.
Because the design is made on purpose to bring emphasis to them, and then the 2d art makes it even worse by making her chest (ONLY her chest btw) unrealistically skin tight, and also braless. It’s just weird that they’re designing highschoolers like that
It's funny that my upper torso knobs also sticks out of my clothes if I don't wear 2 layers of clothes or more. This is due to the fact that my chest grew in size after doing a lot of bench press. And yes, my friends have pointed it out in public a lot. I'm a guy btw, I don't have calcium cannons.
That's not the point. The point is sexualizing minor or minor look alike characters in this game. It's an easy trend to notice if you opened your eyes.
@@acoolnameemm it isnt obvious 'super' sexual like hanging the assets directly in front of your screen but the fact 'its' a prominent feature even though its not out there in your face does makes it 'sexual'. It doesnt have to be azur lane levels of fanservice, there're levels to this. And to some, this amount of erotica is more appealing and exciting (def not me ofc cough cough)
drawing: completely controlled by artist drawing: also has softcore sexualization of an underage individual Results: majority of people are uncomfortable and/or upset
So? You do NOT need to show a teenager this way. That's a stupid rhetoric. That's like saying black people are mistreated in real life so they should be I'm games as well.
Um puberty is ongoing through highschool and that’s no excuse to draw a high schooler like that anyway??? Like bras exist for a reason bro you kind of a freak for defending this ☠️
The real question is.. why focus on that part? Some people including me did not even notice that until they mentioned it. Twitter users will always be creeps fr
It's okay to sexualise minors now huh? Just because you normally consume porn and already normalising sexuality doesn't give you a green card to sexualize minors
1- the characters are made to be sexualize, it's hoyoverse and it's a gacha game, hell one of her animations on the menu shows her ass for half a second before she covers it with her tail, all of it is calculated and done on purpose. 2- there's nothing wrong with sexualizing characters and she doesn't look like a kid,with that said, why the fuck would they do all of that just to then drop a lore video showing she's a highschooler? Just make her an adult if she's gonna be like that. 3- stop balming people for your own innability to pay attention to the characters
The CC that pointed it out was a CC defending another game from misinformation. I thought that CC was decent enough to stick with defending a game from misinformation but I was disappointed he did this.
@@kittielvr Those girls are not real, they cannot be harmed or exploited. Also, if even CCP censorship didn't bat an eye for that, then we approach the fabled "there's no sex in USSR" level of nonsense.
@@nerveinz6453 Sexualizing a drawing* I can't with you people you'll treat drawing like real people and real people like fictional character, and still it's just the female anatomy stop being a coomer for 5 secondes.
@@nerveinz6453What minor?? That's a drawing, bro.. It's not even a loli type build. She is literally indistinguishable from anime adults.. caring about a fictional characters age is incredibly stupid.
@@problem4331 exactly, you never draw a detail like this that is NOT recognizable irl in a drawing because that makes it look sexualised! You got it!!😋😋
@@Ermakshually it wasnt even “emphasized” i think? Breasts have nipples, thats just how humans are. And when characters like Ganyu or Ellen wear tight clothes stuff shows through
@@Ermakshually She has an adult body. That's all that matters. You can say a fictional character is any age. You can have a child-like loli who is canonically 1000 years old, and a grown looking woman who says she's 10. Which do you think is worse to sexualize?
@@danielkurtz3045 no she definitely looks and maybe even acts like a teenager and her having an adult body doesn't matter much because she probably shares the same models with the other female characters thought that's just my opinion, feel free to voice your own thoughts.
@@nerveinz6453If they leave it ambiguous, shouldn’t you just believe whatever is better? In this case, why assume she’s a minor when it would save everyone a whole lot of annoyance if she weren’t?
@@nerveinz6453 flash news: even underage girls sometimes can have humongous hungolongononologongus if puberty randomly decides to hit them that hard. So, no, they do not need to, because the average player (by which I mean the ones within the target age) tends to think "oh, she's around my age" regardless. So stfu.
I noticed this when i was on twitter and i saw something on myfeed that ws a publication of someon hating hoyoverse just because of this and i was like "OKay man chil down" seriously, people act like she was naked or something like that, and she was just showing her "beauty spot" i think they watch too much hentai and that's why they found sexual things in things that arent or arent too much
@@saiftime3155 funny thing is, most of those "tourists" end up being true weebs. That "tourist" word is more like a buzzword to avoid the dark side of those people
@@justasillyclown1353Then leave people alone if you're going to complain, we all see things differently and most definitely won't focus on the boobs like, theres other things to look at? Like the face, the background?
@@ZenniaXalatea buddy, you're looking at an artwork of a character explicitly on her body and model. You have to literally not look at the image or decide to one over glance the image, then never look again if you don't see it.
@@ZenniaXalatea I'm complaining because people should be held to better standards. This isn't just random art from a nobody. This is from an official company that decided to show this part of a high-schooler this way. Be better together, dawg. That requires us to call out stuff that is wrong even if you might say it's not important. It's wrong and can set a bad precedent
People are getting too soft, like how is this a big controversy? We got actual predators in real life but no one bats an eye for them and even some support what they do, like since when 2D and 3D pixels have more human rights than an actual real person?
@@matrixster6238 very, like I seen people protect even 👶 predators but they hunt down people for Pixels, same as gawr gura, a loli vtuber, they are attacking her just for that but when a case of there favorite RU-vidr got caught dming a minor, nah, it's fine, it's not wrong, like the US is a very weird place and also the term American ideology came, basically for everything that makes no sense
