I actually liked him until he was like "LMAO I JUST KILLED YOUR FRIEND THAT YOU'VE SPENT SO MUCH TIME WITH BUT I CAN BRING SOME FAKE ASS NIGGA THAT LOOKS AND ACTS LIKE HIM XDDDD PLS SPARE MY LYFE LOL".
I was thinking about that not too long ago: it makes sense that, since he couldn't beat Johnny himself, he had to find another way to "win." Diego, though not exactly like Valentine, was probably the best immediate choice he had. I mean, think about it. Because of Diego's past, he wants absolute power and to tower over everyone. And because he wants that power, he would not only make sure the source of his power (the corpse and presidency) would never fall (therefore protecting America), he'd also strive to expand America even more. It was a risky compromise, but it was the smartest risk to take.
@@vibea7019 that's probably right but remember this is deigo Brando he probably would have just used it for himself to control the world and he could probably have done that easily because he had the world
All villains: Part 1: I reject my humanity Part 2: I will become the ultimate life form Part 3:I will rule the world Part 4:I just want to live in peace Part 5:I have to remove of traces of my past Part 6:I have to reset the universe for my god Part 7:I have to make my country prosper Part 8:...Wait am I the villain or are you the villain?
What truly defines Valentine as a villain for me is the fact that the power he seeks is able to redirect misfortune, but not negate it. We get a taste of this in the Love Train fight where all of Johnny's attempts to kill Valentine fail, but someone else in the world is killed instead. Imagine that kind of power spread across a country of ocer 300 million people and the effects that would have. Not just deaths, but every possible misfortune throughout the United States being redirected at random innocent people across the world to seemingly no end. The result is nothing short of cosmic horror.
True, but that only follows if you can't choose where you redirect the misfortune. It's never been stated that the wielder of the corpse cannot control whom the misfortune gets redirected to(assuming I remember the manga correctly). Assuming valentine wanted to wield the corpse in the most moral manner possible, he would've probably redirected it towards criminals or people attempting to commit crimes accross the globe. Of course, you could argue that the manga contradicts the previous arguement by showing Valentine causing misfortune to befall random people. However, you do have to remember that Johnny and his alliers were trying to kill Valentine so Valentine had no time to properly think through his actions and was acting nearly on instinct. Also, I don't think the corpse was literally powerful enough to redirect all the misfortune in the US to other places around the globe and I think Valentine overestimated the corpse's ability considering johnny was able to break through lovetrain despite Valentine presumably directing all of the planets misfortune at johnny. After all, if johnny had the entire worlds misfortune placed on him, then he should've logically gotten a sudden stroke and died.
@@billzhao1346no Valintine said that he would rederect the misfortune to "the other side of the world" so that strongly implies it to be random. Also Valentine did indeed say ALL misfortune would be rederected wich, as far as we see, does seem to be what happens. Yes Johnny is able to get misfortune through the shield but that is stand shenanigans so it doesn't really count. Also if I remember correctly Valentine does not direct all the misfortune of the world onto Johnny (more evidence that he can't control where the misfortune goes), not sure where you got that from
I also find it kinda cool how Valentine and Johnny have opposing color schemes. Johnny’s main color is blue and his stand is mainly pink whereas Valentine’s main color is pink and his stand is mainly blue.
Part 1: Narcissistic Blonde Vampire Part 2: ancient being Part 3: Casanova Vampire Part 4: Peace seeker hand fetishist Part 5: Mafia Lord suffering from split personality Disorder Part 6: Ghae Priest Part 7: Patriotic President Part 8: U needun to knoun
Love steel ball run, especially the napkin philosophy, how actions have influence and will reinforce themselves upon others. From the way Valentine's father decision shape Happy Valentine, Gyro and Johnny influence each other, to how readers perspectives change by taking the character philosophy into themself.
That Napkin thing always intrigued me, i actually tested it when i was in italy, i took one first and everyone else picked the same one, but i wanted to see the opisite thing, so the next time we went to dinner everyone picked the "Left" napkin and it was strange cause i actually had to force my mind to pick the "right" napkin, it was a weird feeling
Maybe because the napkin thing has already been established before, so everyone else already adapt to that tradition. From what I understand napkin theory only applied when the tradition was never there to begin with.
This is an obvious lie tho. The point of the napkins is that if someone takes the one on their left there is no longer one on your right. So if you take the left everyone else is forced to take their left cause their right is gone and it just goes like that.
honestly towards the end there Johnny keeps shooting at the shimmer despite seeing that it just deflects and hits innocent people, it isn't a leap of logic to say Johnny spends the seconds to last arc of part 7 killing innocent people.
knew boo, how can you get his so wrong? It's pretty obvious that he was attempting to obtain the power of the infinite spin, but failing each and every shot, until the last one
While I still have Kira as my favourite villain, Valentine's my second favourite and you described why really well. Only thing I disagree with is "he didn't do anything wrong"(even though there are already thousands of people arguing about that). Valentine was evil, he knew that part of what he was doing was evil, and he has reasons to believe that his cause is good. It doesn't make him good. After all, all evil people believe they're at least half right, now I understand that wars were large back then, with Valentine having trauma from his dad's war accounts and his own experience in the civil war and WW1 being right around the corner he would be worried. But simply saying "For America" to the harm(both mental and physical) of millions of innocents(both by love train, Valentine himself, side effects from the Steel Ball run;etc) is not entirely ethical for a country that was already in good shape.
i think that at the end when valentine breaks his vow and attempts to kill johnny, that is the proof that he is actually selfish and only seeks power, although he loes to himself about it
4:21 protagonist does not mean "good guy". it means the character the story follows. protagonists can be evil or whatever, but most writers jsut don't do it this way. funny valentine is the antagonist because he opposes the guys that the story follows.
The good deeds and public face of Valentine are put front and center, while his misdeeds are shoved to the side. The way the manga panels are arranged adds to his hypnotic charisma.
It's a pity that you didn't talk about the final moment of Funny Valentine, that scene where he lied to Johnny in the end and decided to shoot him with the gun instead of keeping the promise. Johnny was about to give it up canceling his spin and give Valentine the corpse parts in exchange for Gyro's alternate life, but instead of peacefully walking by, Valentine chose to take the unnecessary securing route by lying which ended up in his death. If anything, that scene is the only single moment where Valentine became himself as a human being who trusts no one and will do anything to secure the victory for his personal esteem unrelated to his patriotic goal, and it's such an interesting final moment for a villain and I would love to see your take on reviewing that particular scene.
Fuya Hanabi I believe that Valentine kept that "pistol from another dimension" in case he could not convince Johnny to stop the infinite spin. The reason he had to draw the pistol was Johnny trowning the "original pistol" at him, in order to see if Funny had another one from other dimension (which he had, but did not intended to use, if possible). When the "original pistol" got close to Valentine, D4C ability was triggered and the two pistols attracted each other, Valentine tought that Johnny would not trust him If he saw the "pistol from another dimension", so he had to try shooting Johnny with It before It was too late. Why do I believe this? Simple, because Valentine is honest and never broke one of his promises (he spared Steven because he told Lucy he would be unharmed). Diego the second was a Plan C, if everything went well with Johnny, Funny would simply get rid of him.
Gabriel Costa that's a very fair point. You made the best explanation on that scene I have read so far and I really appreciate that. Still I'd say it's not implied that he did not intend to use the pistol anywhere so it could just be a reader's assumption which still makes sense.
Gabriel Costa But he pretty much flat out _told_ AU Diego that he was planning on offing Johnny. Valentine is not by any means an honest man. Even when he spared Steven, he still clobbered him pretty badly.
In my opinion I loved the final fight between Johnny's and alternate Diego and I also believe that Valentine would have succeed IF HE JUST TRUSTED JOHNNY AMD LEFT HIM ALONE
"funny valentine did nothing wrong" Class, if you'd please turn the page to chapter 60-65 you will see that funny valentine may or may not have done at least one thing wrong.
its important to acknowledge (I'm surprised you didn't in this video) that Valentine represents the faults of patriotism in that He is willing to bring good fortune to America at the cost of sending all bad fortune away to other people around the world who are not involved. while he is making America happy he is making the world at large a worse place and I think that's truly what makes him a villain and ultimately i think Araki's conclusion was that no one person or country should be allowed to get all the good fortune to themselves and let the rest of the world suffer the consequences was morally correct.
“Why Funny Valentine is the best JOJO villain” Kars: “But I’ve reached perfection” Dio: “Wryyyyyyyyyyyy???” Diavolo: “unlike my stand, this does not work” Pucci: “I OFFED 2 JOJOS AND RESET THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, COME ON!!!”
@@yakthekuza7296 april is going to be the announcement, then we're probably getting the first episode by july, then SO will most likely end by 2022, then after 3 years, in 2025, we'll get the announcement for SBR (If DP wants to do SBR).
i love valentines backstory i literally cried over it i dont see ppl talk abt it that much its such a beautiful but depressing back story and its one of the reasons hes my fav sbr characters and one of my fav jojo villains besides dio and pucci
Funny Valentine and D4C are my 2 favorite characters and stand purely from looks but the lore behind them is also awesome. I wish he wasn’t the villain he’s such a dope character and D4C is too cool. That dimension hop is so 100000/10
HyperX Trigger I don't care, if you call me weeb. You probably don't even know what it means. But look at your profile pic and that you are trying to fight with people because of your opinion to a anime. You dumbfuck
Hot take: American Jojo Fans sympathize with funny valentine the most because american exeptionalism is omnipresent in their media, politics and entertainment.
I feel like exceptionalism is losing that presence here though. Ive noticed that many media outlets and people overall have been more critical of the country.
I honestly agree funny valentine makes for a great character, he may be the villain of part 7 but he's more of a split role as both antagonist and protagonist as yes his ultimate goal is noble, but rather it's the means to do this that can be questioned, but hey he would make for a damn good president in the real world
Jeiku Iraisan although technically, valentine being noble/evil doesn’t affect his role as either protagonist or antagonist. Johnny is undoubtedly the protagonist simply because he is the main character of the story while Funny Valentine is undoubtedly the antagonist since he is the force that opposes the protagonist. Ethics have nothing to do with their roles
Everybody says antagonist like it automatically means villain when really it just means the opposite of the protagonist, the person going AGAINTS the protagonists believes or method.
But nearly raping a 14 year old Sending assassins AND making a promise on His dead father (who Is suppoused to be a main factor valentines moral) AND then breaking that promise does make him a bad guy
@@maritofuentes4690 Bruh, Valentine made a dude trapped between a glass while driving a train and if he would let go of the lever he would be blown to pieces. Like just a random engeneer that had nothing to do with anything. He is 100% evil
It’s meant as a joke ofc, just like Griffith did nothing wrong. He’s a relatable and phenomenally written antagonist, who can be viewed in multiple different lights. Of course raping Lucy was wrong. It’s just a meme originated from how convincingly Valentine is written and the sorrowful depth behind his character, as well as the fact that he probably was more righteous than Johnny.
I know but I like to just contredict people and playing the "no humour and first degree guy", I know the memes, I was jocking too (and sorry for my english I'm Belgian)
Funny Valentine tried to force himself on his wife, realized his "wife" was actually a 14-year old girl in disguise, and then continued trying to force himself on her anyways. Why do people always conveniently forget that part.
And committed a mass genocide which resulted in 12 million innocents slaughtered. So yeah Funny is not a good person at all if he can be compared to Hitler in any sense
I just realized in one of the frames from his childhood flashback there's a litter of dogs there and if they didn't die, then that makes this guy already very epic since he didn't kill any dogs then
Funny Valentine is one of my favorite Jojo characters. It was around chapter 61 when I figured out that he was one of my favorite characters. I liked him so much that I bought his SAS figure. :D
The dude had genuinely good intentions, which is good. He wanted to protect his country, which is also good. All it would cost is screwing over every other country that isn't his own. That's...significantly less good.
Sorry for the delay, but no, I sadly didn't win. The current president isn't doing well. Good thing I made it into student council (yes, I quoted Funny Valentine in front of the whole school in front of a Jojo loving teacher)
i personally think kira is he has the menacing villain style but truly down to the heart if he didnt collect literal hands he wouldnt be a bad guy since shigechi is the only reason he was really introduced
Im sure one of the corpse parts transformed him into a fit version. He had everything but the head. Other contestants also received ''boosts'' due to corpse parts.
Valentine has a good motivation but uses it as an excuse to do the most horrible things. It's like when a murderer says "but I'm a good person!" In court and expects people to just let them go. Valentine seemed like a go-getter but turned out to be nothing but a coward once he was begging Johnny for his life while planning to kill him at the same time
