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Time is often misunderstood... It's not the ticking of the clock, a dimension, or a single position of everything. Time is a individual moment or a set of moments where momentum, inertia, and potiential energy(ies) are present. Time is a description of values that equate the total points of occurances from an naturaly undifined point in space (these points can only be defined by a person or group of persons). It is relative... On this note, the Omi king, Zeno, exits where everything else was errased. Because of his existence, that time line exist. To point, everything within Zeno is moving, so time still exist... This is why Goku and crew could still move within that universe. Albeit the universe is alot smaller now. It's only them and the time machine that exist in it.
@@mistersadfaceman4257Not exactly. Movement within a timeless void gives it a time, it may seem strange but that's because for a moment, or several moments, it's not technically a timeless void, even though it is. It's more along the principles of Shrodingers Cat in the Box, only the box isn't observed externally, so time doesn't have to be linear, nor does it require form. You are thinking of time as a 3rd Dimensional Concept with a 3rd Dimensional Understanding
@@mistersadfaceman4257time, in that essence only actually exists because we have a 4th dimension giving the 3rd it's linear form. We are definitely observing every aspect of this time, and that's because something else is observing it. Just like atoms change their own nature while being observed, we are changing their reality just by observing it.
U know transcending space time isn't the same thing as transcending the concept of space time right?bc something tells me u saw a guidebook saying heaven transcended space and time and u immediately taught Goku destroying heaven is an outerversal feat , when its just 5d😊
Because hits time skip was ki powered, and as every dragon ball fan knows "Power > hax" goku was stronger than hit so hits time skip stopped working on him, completely different from the concept of time and space not existing
And the manga came up for a reason to never have Future Trunks come back. Bulma says something about the Time Machine having trouble keeping locked on to his timeline. That the next to and from trip before their last fight with Zamasu had to be their last. But then that’s contradicting to what we see in both endings when he goes back to a past version of his timeline (I know this creates a new timeline but it’s born from the doomed timeline Bulma said she couldn’t track anymore) time travel hurts my head.
Great video here's my thing Zeno CANNOT be King of everything why, cause there are 2 and possibly infinite of him. So Zeno is only king of everything within his personal timeline...
I think if Zeno isn't the king of everything it's zalama it would make sense since the power of the dragon balls are based of the power of the namekian that created them and as far as it was stated super shenron can grant any wish which probably means zalama is all powerful
I've only watched the anime, but I suspect Zeno is the king of destroyers and whatever levels are above him have been implied by the angels. If the Dragon Ball universe continues to draw on higher dimensional concepts then whatever level is above Zeno is a dimension beyond time, which necessarily means that all timelines are connected. Every dimension above contains all dimensions below (including time which is the 4th dimension). I'm very excited to see if they go in that direction.
True because time is still superior than zeno since he literally still bound with timeline, proven by he exists in his own timeline. Meaning zeno is barely 5D being.
The time machine tried to return to a universe that didn't exist anymore, so instead it appeared in the void. It's like in a video game where you save your game in a DLC zone and then delete the DLC, you end up just floating in white space (or your file is corrupted, but you know what I mean).
Only trunks could have traveled to that space since the navigation was saved in the ship, everything is gone, but zeno, zeno was still there when the time ring broke so despite the timeline being gone things can still exist in the empty space and trunks traveling back their wouldnt create another one.
I chose to believe everyone has there own field of time they take everywhere with them, probably for the purpose of preventing some temporal anomaly in cases such as this
Where does the Universe as we know it exist? Think of the Universe like a building. Zeno destroyed the building so the space it once occupied can now freely be passed through. In that respect, it's the same. The universe was destroyed so the space (for lack of a better term) was freed up. As for how the Time Machine returned to Zeno, as you say, it's due to the data it had for its last known location BUT with how Trunks and co kept hopping back and forth through time, the you notice that the timelines run simultaneously. It's not like the Time Chamber where you have Time Dilation to factor in. A minute in the past and a minute in the future are tracked equally. And with how Trunks returned Goku to the point after Zeno erased the universe, the time that Zeno could still perceive played out for him. Goku and Trunks had left for what? 5? 10 minutes? It effectively used co-ordinates stored in memory to find a location even if it no longer existed.
I see this feat as an outlier bc i can guarantee that creators weren't thinking when they drew this , this is the same guys who taught goku was galaxy level
Goku probably does still have enough air in his lungs to breathe out as the medium that can transmit sound waves I guess. It also shows that while Goku along with the Z fighters can’t indefinitely breathe in a no oxygen environment they aren’t one shotted by it either and can last a while longer than people expect.
It was still a timeline as long as Zeno existed there because there was something there experiencing time. When Zeno left with them there was nothing and no one left to experience time . As long as Zeno was there then they had a point of time to lock on too. Now there is no time there therefore no timeline.
yeah maybe because Zeno was still* there still perceiving time, they could exist in the timeline aswell. once anything/everything that can or could perceive time was absent maybe then and only then would the timeline cease to exist. "Schrödinger's cat" Zeno is the cat, maybe?
Timey Wimey stuff looks like the o king erased that timeline meaning the future is not set and may not end up at the end of DBZ? The future has changed???
No it doesn't really It's just like the Void, Antivoid or any other type of void(besides Gojo's domain expansion lol, but Goku still destroys it) Anyone can move when time doesn't exist, because basic interactions do still work, just the state doesn't update because there's nothing to update This isn't a feat most likely
It not works like that, for an exemple hyperion in the marvel comics survived from a collision of 2 universes and for a period he was literally in the nothingness, it should be impressive? No or at least, it is impressive but only for the fact that he survived from the collision of the universes without taking damage but for the rest there is nothing more to say about this feat and it doesn't prove that hyperion is extraordinary about something excluding the durability, the same for goku, if even the time machine can be there and they can move in that location (or non location at this point 😂) it not proves something about goku's speed
Time=Exist x Presence/Consciousness. As long as there is a being in existence time is present. Omni King was in existence so the time and space between the travel to the Omni King has existence. How do you not know this stuff. I’m just trying to sound smart lol 😂
It's not a speed feat at all for 2 reasons. 1.) "inaccessible speed" and "immeasurable speed" are generic nonsensical "faster than infinite!!!!!" tiers invented by power scalers who love hyperwanking and know nothing of actual science or mathematics. No different than dimensional tiering, which is also nonsensical garbage. In reality, infinite speed is as far as it goes. Nothing is faster than infinite speed. The ability to travel through time has nothing to do with speed, as the speed formula cannot describe such a feat in the first place. 2.) "Moving" in an area with no spacetime is an oxymoron. If you moved, then by definition a displacement occurred, which requires both space (because you literally changed position) and time (because you are no longer where you once were.) Any character who moves in a "spaceless" or "timeless" realm therefore is simply operating on cartoon magic and cannot be scaled off this feat alone.
It’s a fictional story, things can just not follow the rules of logic like a “timeless” realm. Though I can agree with the part of vs wikis being goofy (more subjective than anything).
@@khaibeststudio I agree that authors can ignore the rules of logic, but that simply gives us an oxymoron. Phrases like _"He moved in a timeless void!"_ do not actually mean anything (at least not anything coherent). It is literally the same as saying "Joe Biden both is and is not the president of the US." Yes, an author can choose to write that, but there is nothing to make sense of or to "power scale" because it's literally meaningless gibberish. The only possible way to make sense of such a statement is to simply say that the author is stupid and wrong, and go with one interpretation or the other. You can't go with both however, because they're mutually exclusive. The moment Joe Biden is the president, he can't not be the president. Likewise, if Joe Biden isn't the president, then he can't also be the president at the same time. That something doesn't follow the rules of logic is essentially equivalent to saying that it's a word salad where the author just uses words incorrectly. This is one of the biggest flaws that most power scalers make. (I'm not saying you're doing it, just talking about the community in general btw) They do not, or often even refuse to, understand the difference between nomological impossibilities and logical impossibilities. This mostly comes down due to the fact that none of them understand what logic even is in the first place. Coherence and meaning have nothing to do with reality or fiction. I can invent fictional statments right now, but if they're not coherent you won't be able to derive any meaning from them.
@@hxppythxughts7149 "Transcending spacetime" is not a well-defined concept. All you're essentially conveying is that the character in question exists outside the universe. But you don't actually explain what you mean by that. Are they in a different universe? Are they in some spiritual ream? Are they in some type of superspace realm that holds the universe together? And more importantly: How does this relate to velocity?
@@mistersadfaceman4257 i mean fiction itself doesn’t seem to abide by a singular course of logic and coherence. They aren’t real, existent things which doesn’t make them bound by our conventional ways of existence. They are bits of the human imagination which we experiment with. Though the incoherence of fictional statements can and do get iffy even when we try and understand them. Unless the author is really strict with how their want their work to work, I don’t see why they can’t do smth like that.
Bruh youre injecting logic into something that has no logic. Goku being there is just a thing that happened. Gving speed feats for this makes no sense bro youre reaching like stretch Armstrong They simply did not think about what was happening and wrote what they wanted
It doesn’t matter if they didn’t think, you have to run with it. They probably weren’t thinking about kid Goku moving light speed yet taking 144 days to get to king Kai
It’s a cartoon bro you don’t have to try to explain it , the main goal of dragon ball is to sell toys , you will drive your mad trying to use logic 😂😂😂😂
