Although i don't genuinely agree with the notion of the GER scaling. I allow people to voice their opinions and represent their arguments on my channel without filter ;) Join discord
10:37 PLEASE READ THAT. Everybody making this mistake. If you got reversed ONCE you lose your will and cannot move or use any abilities. So GER doesn’t need to spam an RTZ. After the first one the enemy would be immobilised and left into the defenceless state
In JoJo we have hexagon system with 6 characteristics. The most common grades are: E, D, C, B, A, infinite potential. We also have 4 additional types: 1) Exceptional/First Class “A”: The addition to an A stat which shows the supremacy of Star Platinum/King Crimson/The World all over the existing stands with “A” in terms of strength and speed. 2) none/doesn’t have(c-moon) 3) unknown - Emporio, King Crimson stats 4) 持続力＋なし In GER-a's characteristics, it is written that any of its stats cannot be determined by the measurement board. Roughly speaking, Speed (or any other characteristic) cannot be expressed or described by the combination of negation used with the characteristic itself, which is how this phrase gets this translation. In addition with statement in JoJo go go which is said that GE stats evolve drastically we can proof that GER characteristics surpassed the hexagon system. Which means all his stats grow to a degree that any existing measurement can’t be compared to it. So Notorious B.I.G and MiH can’t be even compared to a GER speed. So basically, GER with only brute force and speed no diffs WoU. Furthermore, RTZ triggers on persons will and the fact that the person action would lead to Giorno being harmed. The trigger of the calamity and it result strictly follows the logic and exposed completely in a flow of fate. So GER is capable to see any calamity and would returned WoU to Zero. The cautious reader would remember, that WoU baiting it’s target into a chasing is actually is form of attack and WoU is willing to harm the targets. Every one who read how rtz works would know that it’s already means WoU stand no chance to evade rtz.
GER isnt above logic, it doesnt matter that tooru or WOU have no control over the calamities, but if giorno is about to kill tooru, whatever way there is to kill giorno will happen "under the sky" is methaporical term made up by Mamezuku to explain the ability, it doesnt put a limit on it and neither does calamity need to come from objects coming in contact with you, calamity made an interviewer who was "pursuing" WOU get killed by the odds of eating the rokakaka and turning vital parts of your body into stone if it was the only way logic could strike from im sure calamity could make someone get an aneurysm, or use the almost impossible chance of an electron appearing to form a black hole for just an instant logic is still present in stopped time so dio could just trip and get massive brain damage, you can figure out any way for someone to die under a calamity except for giorno, the only way you can imagine a scenerio for him to die is to assume that GER has a weak spot or there is a type of "attack" that GER won´t react to like dying of old age, but yeah, i assume there is a set of coincidences that could kill giorno, and if somehow there wasnt GER would still have to be constantly reverting random calamities without ever reaching tooru
@@MRForca why cant you just put your arguments here? im not planning on installing discord just to discuss powerscaling, and if you think this is a bible wait to write essays for school homework
@@IvanIvanovich-qh9xt At maximum it is not ABOVE logic, it reverts it. This is at maximum a stalemate, but its also not 100% clear what GER defines as an attack or its abilities, so this is really speculation further than that. Its entirely possible that GER wouldn't respond to something that isn't actually an attack by any person but a complete accident of fate, caused by calamity. Its entirely possible that GER could easily revert any calamity coming its way back to zero, and yet Giorno could get his skull blown open in a single instant by a random shard of a falling meteorite, disabling GER before it can even respond.
@@IvanIvanovich-qh9xt nothing about the nature of GER defies logic, if it did then GER shouldnt even exist but it clearly does and it is presented to us as a natural evolution of GE through the golden arrow, if araki had made any statement about GER being an anomaly but he didnt, so yeah i believe GER is logical if you just want to act like its ability is too crazy for it to be logical then you could just stop at any stand or made up species in the JJBA universe
FINALLY someone in eng community realized the truth power of G.e.r I even lost my hope and wanted to create a channel for disproofing all the tales about his power
@@MRForcaI mean Giorno got the arrow cause of fate and wou’s power is pretty much making fate hate you’re guts so Maby him but I’m not sure it’s jojo so the result’s are definitely theoretical, I personally think it’ll just be a stalemate unless wonder of you makes Giorno inhale to much air causing him to lose brain cells somehow and then pulling out the arrow from G.E.R do to not thinking straight and throwing it away and THEN giorno just f$&ing dies but then again that result is theoretical.
In stopped time, energy is frozen, we can see this in the example of hamon. Considering that the energy of misfortune is transmitted even from touch, touching WOU with your attack while time is stopped will break the pursuer’s neck or misfortune will occur after time continues to move. 7:20 Araki said that the strongest villain is the calamity that WOU controls. It also says that calamity attacks irrationally, but you interpret this into real life where a falling lamp will not tear your leg off. In addition, when Araki talks about concepts in his manga, he puts them in quotation marks, which we can also see in paragraph 2. In an interview with Mainichi Shimbun (May 2022), he answered who would win Godzilla or Ultraman.
Your wrong with Ger reverting Wou attacks to zero bc the Thing is with Calamity it’s is a law of nature it’s not an attack From in the sense he causes it it’s more Toru Ability manipulates nature to his benefit. Like when the Rain harmed Josuke there isn’t a way a Giorno is gonna reset rain he doesn’t have that ability but it will harm him. Or like if Giorno stubs his toe Ger isn’t gonna reset his toe to zero bc well it wasn’t an attack it was just misfortune
but GER is the ability to manipulate the laws of the universe such as time and fate so why wouldn't misfortune also be one of those laws that it manipulates. Time skipping isn't an attack, yet Giorno still is able to reset it
GER isn’t nearly as powerful as this guy says it is. The entire internet has already told other RU-vidrs who cover GER that they are wrong. They just make things up. GER did not blitz precognition and he isn’t necessarily stronger than king crimson. He just directly counters him. The arrow fulfilled Giorno’s desire to control his own fate, Diavolo’s ability to see the future is basically saying that there is no free will, and he can see fate, one of if not the only way to beat this is by having free will, which is what the requiem arrow gave Giorno.
I definitely agree with the analysis of WoU and how horribly misinterpreted it is. The story wouldn't exist if it worked like the fandom says. Everytime they say "Oh if that character even thought about attacking WoU, they would just have a heart attack and die."
"Can’t outrun a fat lady" there is a difference between combat and travel speed you can’t scale that to wou "He doesn’t have strength feat" his attacks negate durability +wonder of u would obliterate giorno ngl
the lady example was a joke but obviously someone like born this way isn't taht fast compareable to GER. also Woner of u doesn't have dura neg unless he physically bypasess anything and grabs their heart or whatever internal organ with his body.
Wonder of you is stated to be the strongest stand. And ger had already been shown. When ger was called the ultimate stand we hadn't seen wonder of you so it fits.
You are comparing two stands that take advantage of different fundamental forces unique to their respective universes, that being 'fate' and 'flow'. Its comparing apples to oranges, since they are built on different foundations. Its like if you trued to compare fighting game characters from different games. In my opinion though, if you simpify the abilities so that they use the same kind of force, I imagine Wonder of U would win. This is because the calamities sent towards GER would not be considered attacks, as they are just the natural flow of events, which have just been infuenced in a certain way, meaning that they couldn't be reversed to zero. Remember that when Made in Heaven was activated, GER wasnt able to reverse it, even though giorno would have been affected like everone else. Thats because it wasnt an attack, just changing how events unfolded.
It is quite plainly stated that GER can revert any adverse effect. For example, if Giorno were targeted by the rain calamity, he would simply get rained on, since the harmful action, namely the charging of the rain with calamitous energy through WOU’s ability simply didn’t happen. The manipulation of natural occurrences are themselves actions and would therefore be nullified by GER. Giorno would get rained on, Giorno would stumble but that is all that would happen. The calamitous effect is what is being nullified by GER.
tbh it is stated in the manga that WOU would return back anyway because calamity is a firce that cannot be stopped from happening nor be erased and the calamities wouldn't stop, so the conclusion would just be the earth gets destroyed as both of them keep fighting for eternity
Thats a damn good question I'll leave a better comment after I'm done with the video Edit: aint even done with the video but that hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby comment was vile 😭
Kaato negged Tooru based on pure iq/biq and create an attack which lead to Tooru’s death. With an absolute dog shit stand that can’t even defend her properly. That’s the only reason she died too. If she has decent stand like Sticky Fingers Tooru would die without even one frag on Josuke’s team💀. You can defeat Tooru with a weak stand pure by iq/biq. In the same time you can’t defeat Dio/Diavolo with a weak stand no matter how smart are you. So who are really the strongest now?
Gold Experience Requiem CANNOT revert calamity because calamity is the flow of logic and logic of the universe wonder of u calamity is a userless attack and and ger reverts strength of the attacker which does not count for wou
Fate>logic. GER sees result of any stand/standuser action. If it lead to Giorno being harmed it get reversed to zero and target lose it’s will. WoU would absolutely trigger an rtz. Learn JoJo before typing lies😊
GER no concept of diff the canon jojo verse. GER is a fate manipulator. Which is by far the absolute JoJo force that rule over every other one. Fate is sth that everybody follows. Every stand abilities, its results, characters decisions written in a flow of fate. The only two stands that can grant users freedom over their fate are KC and GER. Calamity strictly follows the logic of the world. While Fate can completely ignore it. Calamity needs an action to be happened and the result of its action might damage the target. While Fate creates the result without any actions. And you can’t escape fate. Character possibly can defend yourself from the calamity. While if it’s fated to happen - nothing can escape it except broken p5 stands. If we dig even further we would know that Araki while written p5 was thinking that it would be the last part. After he creates a KC he indirectly said in the interview that it would be a hard tusk to create a way of defeating them. Than he created an ultimate stand that surpasses the limits of the concept of stands. Isn’t it a good point to end the series. Adding an ultimate force to end the whole show. In another interview Araki mentioned that he faced the same problem of escalation of powers near p5-6. In p6 already he switched but non completely adding more strange non straight op stand abilities that bring awesome creative fights And in p7-9 we see Araki making a huge part of the stands non combat, too situative, non straight forward op, nerfing strength speed and reaction. Plus even strong stands needs some terms for their ability to work like WoU The only three stands which were directly complimented by Araki as the best ones were: King Crimson as an “unbeatable” stand, Star Platinum as the “strongest” stand, GER as an “Ultimate” stand. The only power which was called the strongest one for a stand by Araki is Time Manipulation (interview takes place while WoU introduced and it’s powers shown and explained) : “Simply, I think that being able to control time is the strongest power of all, in all its forms. For this reason, when I was creating the final villains, I was studying the ways in which they could maneuver it. The power to bend the flow of time to one's will is something that has always fascinated me and I believe it is the strongest power of all.” So any human being with positive iq will acknowledge the fact that: The only two stands that have Time manipulation (the strongest ability for a stand) and Fate manipulation (the strongest and absolute jojo force) at the same time are GER and King Crimson. So if you put any stand above GER/KC you’re basically wrong and go against the author himself. Both GER and King Crimson slaughter Tooru and WoU making his logical triggers irrelevant and escape any possible calamity. Furthermore more, WoU with near common stand user stats stands no chance against KC with EXCEPTIONAL strength and speed and GER which stats surpasses even the infinity by absolute far.
Wonder of U can only be hit with something that doesn't exist and GER will just reset it every time the is not a battle it's them both not being able to eachother because GER doesn't have an attack that doesn't exist and you can only hit GER with something that doesn't exist since he can't return something to none that doesnt exist and GER can't just speed blitz Wonder of U because since GER's attacks exist so it can't be hit by it
He doesn't need an to be hit with an attack that doesn't exist ur jus yapping and ger is uni+ any calamity can be reverted and he will be killed in an infinite different reality
@@Aaa-vp6ug it didn't fail to stop made in heaven so lets jus get that out of the way also the mainntimeline is still going its not reset its still on going
