I think Griffith having so much time away from Guts is a great thing. Leaves the two characters to pursue their own goals and that’s great for an antagonist. It also builds up all of the possible outcomes and feelings for when the two finally collide again. In the year 2069
If i were any of you I would be HATING the author for this unforgiveable behavior, and would have already quit, yet here i am still checking in 9 years later, so maybe I'm under the same spell as you. and you're an idiot if you give him the excuse of it taking a long time to draw the artwork... Yeah it does, so he deliberately drags the plot on with chapter after chapter of barely anything happening or plot moving forward. He'll deviate or delay the main plot just so he can draw a bunch of shit he doesn't need to. This guy needs to be sent to prison to finish this series after all his delays. I'm sick of him wasting my effing time. FINISH THE STORY WHILE I'M STILL YOUNG AND CARE. THIS IS THE TIME IN MY LIFE WHERE I NEED TO SEE THE ENDING OF BUZZURK
Trusting what Griffith tells himself about his own emotions. Ok, sure thing. Griffith goes out of his way to see Guts to tell him that he feels nothing. Right. Seems legit. End of Setting Sail episode - seems like indifference to me.
Yeah, then goes out of his way to tell an insect that he is not worth any notice. - I dont think I have ever told a bug something like that... would be pretty weird. Tbh Griffith just sounds like a tryhard.
In my mind it’s simple, Griffith was the one everyone idolized. The leader of the band of the hawk. Powered by his Behelit an unnatural good luck charm. Enter Guts he through his own will and determination becomes stronger than Griffith and defeats him. That not only destroyed their dynamic as leader and right hand man but also undermined the very essence of Griffith’s status as leader and threatened his dream. Basically Guts became a major threat and Griffith blamed his departure for the atrocities and torture he had to endure. It broke Griffith and proved guts didn’t need him but he needed Guts. Once Griffith became femto he had the upper hand again and now becoming a god like demon he decided to punish Guts for even daring to stand against him. Raping his love who guts also stole from Griffith as well. So Griffith punished them by killing all of the band cursing casca and guts both to be forever hunted and reminded of the sins against him. Toying with the mice he caught. But slowly it seems Guts is overcoming all the odds again creating his own band to stand against Griffith’s holy freak army.
Okay what just said is very true but one thing I disagree on is Casca meaning to Griffth. Like before Guts even came you could feel that Casca was just another Griffths followers he didnt really see her as something he claimed, more like someone who followed him bc of his auru of superioity.
Griffith only cared about casca the same way he cared for guts until he saw the 2 of them falling in love. In his mind it was another strike against guts for "stealing" something that belonged to him and he wanted to make them suffer for it.
I like what you said but Griffiths dream was set in stone as a child he was going to sacrifice all of them anyways it couldn’t been somebody else besides guts and the same thing would’ve happened guts just happened to be the chosen one so the punishment would’ve happened regardless
Griffith just wants Guts to suffer only to lose to him at the end of Guts' struggling journey. It’s like taking revenge for all those years staying in the torture Chamber. Even though it’s not Guts's fault, Griffith likes to think so in that way, putting blame on Guts.
Bruh Griffith was only in there for a single year. And he long since got his petty revenge when he raped Casca and made Guts watch. Griffith at this point just doesn't care. He already said it once in the Black Swordsman arc, Guts is beneath his notice so it doesn't matter what happens in his point of view.
TFW you realize that Guts has always been sort of a "trophy" or "plaything" for Griffith. From the day he joined when he killed a couple members of the band of hawk, Griffith didnt even care he just wanted him for himself, he could've killed him but didn't for the same reason I think he isn't killing him now. Its the same thing when Guts kills Apostles, Griffith still doesn't care because he needs to maintain his control over Guts. Killing him would almost defeat the purpose of Griffith becoming a Godhand. And also Even more emphasizes my point when you realize that it was only when Griffith lost control over Guts when he left that he completely lost it.
That doesn't really fit with Guts being branded then, though. If Griffith never intended to kill Guts he wouldn't have been given the brand of sacrifice.
I hope that happens, basically, Guts uses Griffith's humanity and his feelings as a weak point so he manipulates him and just destroys him with some object designed to kill godhands.
@MarkTheFox Griffith is beyond any sort of redemption at this point he needs to die for good. Also Casca has been back she just has major PTSD from the Eclipse and what Griffith did to her. And even if Griffith is rendered human again he'd just revert to the crippled husk he was prior to Eclipse just like when an apostle dies.
He didn't kill him because he care he wanted to hurt him miura showed us during the escape scene that he was able to kill him but he refuse he looked at them especialy Guts..remember the count and that fairy queen they were still have feelings toward those they love..it was so clear and in the hills of sword "you should known the man i am you of all people" meant something of course you should focus on details..why he didn't separate the child from him he's a god you know..why when rickert slap him and when he said all those things he didn't have anything to say i mean the child didn't have anything with ricket to affect griffith emotions...Griffith still have humain side deep inside him...
I think Griffith would have let him survive anyway, see... Griffith knows guts dosent have a behelit and even even if he had one he wouldn’t use it, driving guts insane and destroying his physical body to the level that’s griffiths body was when he was being punished for doing it with charlotte would make it so that guts had nowhere to go especially because guts has no behilit again, he would be so destroyed that he couldn’t care or act upon revenge with that body or broken mind of his and as Griffith was about to slaughter his body skull knight arrived. Now Griffith could stop skull knight and kill guts but he realizes that half of the job is already done and even if guts somehow manages to come for revenge he’s still no where near him and guts’s mind is basically done.
On top of this, Guts and Casca were branded as sacrifices for Griffith's dream. If he has any desire to kill them, maybe it just isn't his place to do it. Besides, they're as good as dead, right? That's what it means to be branded.
He couldn't spare Guts life even if he wanted to. The god hand is pretty strict about making sure they're sacrifices end up in that big ol' vortex. That's why he's constantly hounded by demons every single day.
yeah he has feelings for guts, he was so feely with him that when the manga ends he's gonna be like; IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO, DW I WAS KIDDING. Idk what is with people who want redemption for despicable humans, they deserve torture death suffering and isolation, nothing more othing less. This romanticism of evil is abhorrent.
Guts is a huge threat to Griffith... He and Casca (and Rickert to some degree) are still well known and well respected people in the kingdom of Midland. Everyone knows them as famous leaders of the band of the hawk that ended the hundred year war. The people have no reason not to listen to them at least if they show up to the kingdom. They know the truth about Griffith and could spread the word and start a rebellion or uprising. And why wouldn't people believe them? they have every reason and proof to believe them. They witnessed the world change, insane magic, monsters, armies of demons, and all when Griffith showed back up. So it wouldnt be hard for them to believe they are being manipulated by and evil being that can control demons. Guts and Casca are HUGE lose ends with a viable threat to Griffiths kingdom and his dream. So he is definitely keeping them alive for a reason. Unless the author is just an idiot and this is a huge plot hole.
I think the reason Femto didn't kill Guts is because he wanted Guts to suffer since he blames him for getting tortured,and he left Casca alive just for fun and to leave her scared for life
I think it’s so far being indifference albeit some connection to his mortal life, same as there seems to be with skull knight and void, Griffith hasn’t killed guts because it hasn’t been necessary and he sees guts as no threat,also with the loss of his humanity comes the loss of his emotions so Griffith doesn’t feel any hostility towards guts,Griffith is only interested in fulfilling his dream and the will of the god hand and unless he deemed that guts could be a threat to that he wouldn’t care about him either way, I mean he didn’t seem phased at all by a mega apostled ganishka what possible threat would a mere mortal guts appear to him! That doesn’t mean guts won’t be able to defeat him further down the line, remember Slants words after the eclipse “we can’t foresee everything we’re not gods!” Sorry wrote a bit of an essay there didn’t I 😂
Well they met twice after the eclipse, and if you mean Femto as in Griffith in Femto Form, they met and fought in one of the first chapters of the Black Swordsman Arc in Theresia's father's mansion (apparently this was their first encounter after the eclipse).
@@RolloRoller16 yes im well aware of this. I mean an actual drawn out dialogue between them. Not Guts just yelling his name and then charging after him.
I always thought that he still loved Guts in his own twisted way and that he was angry at Guts for leaving him. But seeing how Griffith didn't understand his own feelings, he didn't understand why he let Guts go. Like Godo said: Hate is the place one goes to, when they can't bear sadness. He might tell himself that Guts is just not worth his time anymore. But I think he is lying to himself and that these feelings he repressed are still there to a degree. Especially when you consider that Femto is the jungian shadow of Griffith. And when you consider that pretty much all apostles still had a bit of their humanity in themselves.
I think the pages in 2:39 and 4:05 reveals a little more than it may first appear. In the pages at 2:39, where Griffith says Guts is the same person he was when they first met, that is both true and a lie. We have seen Gut's journey and know that he has changed and has learned to be a better person, but is still in danger of falling into his old ways. Griffith's comments and physical resemblance to his old self say more about him than Guts. Unlike Guts, he has not changed and grown and clung to his old self (or the illusion of his glorious old self). Being just as immature and selfish he was when he met Guts. The pages in 4:05, where Gut's thinks to himself that Griffith was different and yet more Griffith, it reveals that Griffith has not matured, and has instead let his more negative traits consume him and erase the positive traits he had in the golden age. The positive traits that once restrained his negative traits (his love for Guts, Empathy towards his men, etc.) have disappeared and the monster within has been released. I think you are right when you say that Griffith both cares and doesn't care about Guts. He loves seeing Guts suffer for his enjoyment, but he also sees him as nothing of importance. He both wants Gut's gone, but also wants him to alive. As long as Guts is consumed with hating him, Griffith is content, since that means Guts is under his control, just where he wants him. However, I think there is also more going on inside Griffith. In the Golden Age, Griffith's innocent smile was a facade that he used to hide his emotions and vulnerability. He did it when Casca tried to comfort him after he started self-harming, and he did it when Guts asked him personal questions. I think he is doing the same when he confronts Guts on the mountain. He is hiding his emotions (whatever is left of them), whether they are feelings of love, hatred, anger, regret, or all of them. I think he could sense Guts was escaping his control when he abandoned his quest for revenge to find/rescue Casca. Which is why he went to visit Guts, and possibly finally destroy him or rekindle his control over him. But who knows, maybe he is just a shell of the man he once was. IDK.
Femto's body is made from the members that were sacrifice right? ...so Griffith wouldn't become a complete demon unless guts n casca are dead too... right? 🤔
I think Griffith still loves guts and still cares for him but he can't act like that in front of the god hand members so he chosed to rape casca in front of guts to motivate him to live and what is a bigger motivation than hatred and wanting to have revenge because Griffith knows that if guts died he will go to hell and he don't that to happen to guts
Before sacrificing, Griffith said that Guts was the only thing that made him forget his dream, so one of the main reasons he sacrified was to leave Guts behind. Evidence of this is also the fact that the first thing he does after being reborn is go see him just to know if he could still feel something. Killing him, in his mind, would mean aknowledge the fact that Guts is stil someone in his life that matters so much that he should stop his existance.
I thought it was because he loved him and has a sick since of ownership over him. His whole self destructive attitude after Guts left during the Golden Age, his words that were cut short right the Godhand summoned him and the egg of the king activated, even when he raped Casca, he spends the whole time looking at Guts. Griffith always has this air of superiority about him. I got this since of him, from every one of his appearances in the Golden Age and the one scene I saw during Berserk 2016 (not reading the manga till I have enough money to buy large chunks, volumes, and or omnibuses of it). Even in the Golden Age, that's the whole reason everyone in the Band of the Hawk follow. I think Guts was the closest thing Griffith had to an equal but when that equal surpassed him he just couldn't handle it.
I don't believe entering demonkind makes you completely apathetic, just amoral. Apostles such as the Count and Rosine clearly are what they were before with a hint of evil thrown in. God Hand are different having the whole last tear thing but Ubik seems to have a sense of humor and Slan made a point of how much she feels about other people if you know what i mean. Femto wouldn't have done that naughty thing to Casca if he didn't care (and don't give me that "oh he did it because he knew he needed to use the baby's body later" thing).
Honestly for me it's pretty clear that his apathy's a facade he willingly puts on, he met Guts to see if his heart would react and when they finally face each other, "tu-tum tu-tum" I don't see how else you could read that
Griffith hasn't killed Guts because Guts wasn't getting in his way until fairly recently. Guts' quest to restore Casca's mind didn't mean anything to Griffith positive or negative in terms of his goal, which is his highest priority
It could be because killing Guts would mean Griffith losing something. Griffith wants to dominate, he wants everything. But he also does not want to sacrifice anything, hence his anger at Guts leave and his care for the Band Of The Hawk pre-Femto. Guts is unique as a person, and Griffith knows if he kills him, no other man will live up to that legacy for a long time. Its similar to the God Hand girl that Guts met. He’s unique, one of the only humans to survive the eclipse and raze apostles. So he keeps him alive for the sake of having him, knowing that Guts is likely never going to be a real threat, yet his perseverance making him unique.
i am one of few people that want Griffith's redemption. I don't entirely forgive him for his actions, not at all. But i want Griffith to come back and be friends with guts again, i want them to consolidate with each other. but most importantly, i want Griffith to apologize to guts and i want him to mean it. Seeing him hesitate to attack guts after skull knight rescued him is what gave me some hope for Griffith
Griffith is beyond redemption. The only thing awaiting him is a sword. The best irony will be if the final battle undoes his transformation and he dies as the crippled shell he was before he did everything wrong.
People in the comments aren't understanding many things of the story. Griffith in his new form no longer has humanity, he doesn't feel anything towards Guts anymore. "He claimed he is free" of that humanity that once "made him forget his dream", meaning an obstacle for him (Guts). But as we know the new obstacles now are the feelings of the moonlight kid inside him, which will probably lead him to his downfall once again At this point questioning if Griffith loved (selfishly, possessively ofc) Guts is absurd. It's literally a crucial part of the plot in golden age, if he didn't love him he couldn't have sacrificed him in the first place, he wouldn't have risked his life for him twice, he wouldn't have forgotten his dream which is like the core of the whole disaster lol some just look at the picture it seems
Nah there is definitely a reason that he is keeping Gut's (and Casca) alive use your head. Guts and Casca are well known and respected members of the famous Band of the Hawk that ended the hundred year war. Guts is the famous leader of the Hawks raiders known for killing 100 men in a single battle. And Casca the only female leader amongst the Hawks. The people of midland know these two and would easily recognize them. They are also still respected and people would trust them. So if they were to stroll into the kingdom and start telling people the truth about what happened it would make a LOT of sense to the people given what they have witnessed with all the insane magic and army of demons. It wouldn't be hard to imagine the people of the kingdom could be convinced that Griffith is actually the evil bad guy. Maybe not all of them, but some. This makes Guts and Casca a liability and problem for Griffith. So why then would he allow them to live? It would make more sense for Griffith to kill them (and Rickert) to tie up any lose ends and squash a potential insurrection / revolt before it even started, and protect his image. So then why doesn't he? We can't be sure yet but it seems pretty obvious he is keeping them alive for a reason, because its clear he has every reason in the world to kill them. I have a theory but its certainly not concrete.
@KceeKit during the eclipse in the manga, Slan is watching Guts fight and she says something along the lines of "the more they struggle the more precious they become as sacrifices to Femto." Ever since reading that I thought maybe she meant that literally. Maybe he let them both live so that they could struggle more and more for years. Griffith eventually plans to complete the ritual which in my opinion never technically was completed. This grants him more power than the God Hand or the "Idea of evil" intended and he can usurp them. Or at least that is his plan.
Perhaps in a twisted way, a part of Griffith’s humanity may still linger and actually wishes that Guts strikes him down one day, as a form of retribution? Hell idk...
@@revolverocelot8106 Idk, since Guts has the brand of sacrifice, wouldn't he go to that vortex of hell thingy when he dies? He would suffer more dead than alive since he would be robbed of his fighting chance.
I feel that in a way. The only times griffith has shown himself to Guts is also when he taunts him or says something to get him pissed off. We'll never really know but goddamn I just want to see the manga page where Guts cleaves through his little bird body
Perhaps Griffith has a sort of multiple personality disorder from the constant amount of relatively forced change. Things such as his old golden age mentality and personality, the despair ridden tortured griffith, turning into Femto revoking his humanity, the moon child and the fact he might have been given some humanity back by force (IE protecting casca out of pure child instinct) , and the whole king persona having to appear as a good and kind ruler. Perhaps griffith doesnt have any control over his own self and thats why its so flip flop on to what he does and how he does things related to guts.
don’t believe that, as femto he stretches out his hand to kill skull knight but hesitates and let them escape when he sees guts. he later watches his hand in confusion as to why he didn’t do it. some tiny affection is still there. if it wasn’t then he wouldn’t have been so personal raping casca and staring down guts. on the hill of swords, griffith shares the feelings of the child, he feels his heart pound. it is not seperate. Yes he is able to feel due to the child inside him and yes they are indeed the child’s, but he is still feeling it. guts was also important enough for him to visit, and yet he doesn’t kill him this time either, it would be beneficial for griffith to do so as guts know the secret, but no, he doesn’t. Idk why everyone has determened that Guts is nothing to griffith. I feel that one of the big themes that was presented early on even in the black swordsman arc was the tiny bit of humanity remaining in the demons. We see it with the count and his daughter, Rosine and Jill, and finally Guts and griffith. Yes it’s not like griffith cares a lot, but there’s something stopping him in killing him
It’s really hard to say, sometimes I think that Griffith simply wants him to suffer, to go through life, knowing that all his friends are dead and that Casca is insane. And other times I think Griffith still cares about Guts in a weird way.
Berserk is gonna end by Guts killing incarnated Griffith. Then guts will finally succumb/give up to his hardest moment when fighting the God Hands to ends up activating his Behelit to forgive Griffith, and this will free Femto from his demon ways. Femto will have an epiphany and fights against the God Hand with Guts. Griffith will end up sacrificing himself and says his last loving words to Guts. 😔 I truly hope the ending will be a an epiphany and a great lesson for the characters. I want it to break my heart at the same time.
I just don't think that the godhand can see the future to some extent and plotted a thousand year old plan just to be defeated by a random mortal whom they spared way too many times
They stated they can’t but receive guidance to the future Causality intends on having. Also the may get premonitions as well for some view of the future
The reason I think why griffith let gutts survive was because of something that slan said. She said that the more gutts struggles the more enriched he becomes as a sacrifice meaning that the more he survives the stronger griffith becomes when gutts does get devoured by the apostles.in other words for griffith gutts is a tool for further strength and gutts has become so powerful that he defeated berserk equivalent of cthullu(sea god)
@@ShantiDoss2000 In the manga. When gutts is trying to survive the apostles in the eclipse right after casca gets cornered and is trying to get griffith out the giant hand. Around those chapters also in the anime as well when slan says:"he tries so hard, that one." and ubik answers :" Its ironic the more he struggles the more desirable he becomes."or something along those lines.
I don't think we're meant to take this story at face value. There's obviously more than what is given and perhaps it actually has to do with a lust for Griffith to see Guts suffering. It's actually like a very toxic relationship. And we know that Griffith replayed the moment Guts left him and the band when he wanted to stop feeling betrayed, laying with the princess. That's kind of what happens when you are rejected by someone you love, and you'd do anything to get back at them to get SOME reaction. Because any reaction means that he still cares. What I think is he wants to keep Guts focused on him. He wants him to feel hurt because a deep hurt such as the one felt by Guts can only come from a place of burning passion. It is all he can get from him now and in toxic relationships, there comes a point where you enter a point of no return and settle for the sickly push and pull addiction, accepting that you are vile and that there's no going back from it. Or he really doesn't give a shit and I'm reading too deep into it
Well he definitely put the brand on Guts and Casca. He cared about both of them but through the events leading up to the eclipse, he decided that erasing his humanness and killing basically his family to open the doors to pursue his dream again was worth it. I think at this point he finds Guts amusing. Griffith does at least. But I think the part of him that is the moonboy (Guts and Casca’s son) does care greatly for both of them.
I think Griffith is going to kill Guts. But I think that will transition Guts fully into the spiritual world and then Guts will actually be able to hurt Griffith. Griffith originally told Guts that he will decide when he dies. So I think Guts dying is inevitable, but the first step into Griffiths downfall.
I hope that if we ever see a glimpse of "old Griffith" again, it can't be a proper transformation to his old self. That would simply be too much. Perhaps at a crucial moment near the climax of the story, he could realize the mistakes he's made. But I swear if they take the Sasuke path with him, where he fully returns to being "good", I would hate that
I'm reading the manga finally and I'm on the end of the feast where Griffith is having his way with Casca, and Guts is just losing his shit! Like I need to talk about all this!! Like the demon that killed Pippen in the book,was that the same Demon Guts killed later? God damn I love Berserk! Finally glad I put my foot down and reading it
What? A berserk recommendation from a channel I've never heard of? Wow, I am so excited. I thought I was already subscribed to every berserk channel. Wait. I am already subscribed to this channel, and that voice sounds way too familiar. Hmmm.
I think Griffith and Femto are same one is normal but other side is vengeance form of his own desire to get back at Guts. I don’t know if study his feelings or behaviour deeply then you can understand him.
Guts son is keeping his parents safe with griffiths body and guts is just insignificant to Griffith completely until their final showdown Griffith won't bother Guts.
Femto is a partial being, one the "Beyond Existence" still acting on Griffith's protocols and urges. In evil ways, it means it's his glorious city right, RIGHT! While Guts thought, " His Dream is too large to follow it, I will get a dream large enough for my own destiny, which Griffith would respect." Griffith IMHO never considered that Guts would reach such a great regard--HE DOES NOW, despite their yawning limits of difference. (FOR NOW HEH HEH). I think other than his own friend easily swatted out of his way, like anyone else, Guts occurs in Griffith's thoughts very little. He has his Kingdom, despite cannibalizing his beloved men for power. Guts is just a man, nobody can challenge him, surely?
Griffith treat human and other races like nothing, he thinks he's above them all, act like he's the one and only their god, he won't hesitate to get rid of them to reach his goal. Meanwhile guts treat human and other races as same, no superior or inferior complex, guts just try his hardest to do a thing for them, then walk away without hoping for reward and get awarded like position or something. Guts have the most human heart, but people sees him as the dark knight who would devour anything in his way, without people realizing he's just a broken person who wants revenge and get back his peaceful life.
Regardless of how it ends….there needs to be some closure between Guts and Griffith. Not saying there needs to anything close to forgiveness, but a moment where there’s a least some acceptance and acknowledgement for what happened on both sides. I can’t see how an ending can be truly satisfying without it.
I personally think that Griffith is pulling the strings on everything. He's making himself look like the bad guy only to create a kingdom where everyone is equal. He's basically using everyone, even the God Hand. He hasn't killed Guts because he knows what Guts has been through and he hopes Guts gets a happy ending.
Femto didn’t kill Guts and Casca because at least one of their brands was needed for the incarnation ceremony, Femto is pure evil. However, in losing his humanity to reincarnate into Femto he seems to, by a twist of fate, have regained at least a piece of it due to his incarnation and merging with the moonlight boy’s body.
becuz Griffith wouldn't be satisfied to just kill Guts... On some level Griffith knows that Guts is still the better Man... everything Guts has accomplished was from nothing but his blood and sweat and tears. Griffith used the Konami code after he already failed. Griffith needs to surpass Guts as a Man, and he knows that he hasn't yet. Destroying Guts' life after becoming a God-Demon means nothing because Griffith knows he couldn't have done it all by himself. Griffith is still striving to surpass Guts and deep down he knows he hasn't, and if he kills Guts he will never have the opportunity to - he will just forever be damned to his fate as ruler of Demons and sinners.
Maybe femto still having his human dream had the side effect of keeping his hatred from Guts from that time he accidentally distracted him from his dream
And now instead of killing he just wants to see him suffer or achieving his dream to show superiority or maybe he wants a kissy kiss with him idk who am i to make sense of the cruel mind of a being so perfect and above me like Moira man
