Why Hitman Isn't A Stealth Game 

Ok I wonder how hit man games fit into the narrative that gamer would choose the easiest safe way to complete a game sense the worst hit man games was hated because ppl had to choose the easiest safe way. Does it depend on experience with the title or?

why did you change the title? just wondering

Original Title: How Hitman Teaches You To Be Creative

@@vvill-ga ye IK but why

why am i happy to be the 865 liker?? WHY? (because it's good to support one of my inspiration, for developping my sense of critic and analysis )

Or make the biggest batch of Vino Humano

Or stick an entire level of Blood Money inside a hot tub before shooting the glass floor so they fall to their death in a magnificent human waterfall. Man I had too much time on my hands when I was a kid

Just off the top of my head your referring to RTgame right?

Don't be silly. You can only stuff two people into a freezer. What you need is some sort of water feature.

Or you could just go Rambo-style!!

if nobody got me i know the gravity defying briefcase got me

@@canonically47 what?

​@@mixtapeo7 It's a weird way of saying "If nobody's got my back, at least I know [X thing] has got my back". Like you can always rely on whatever they're talking about.

@@OrdinaryLatvian facts

It also ignores solid matter and curves through the air.

YEP then I shoot up the place before restarting sadly

@@johnnyc42972 Yea. I try way to much to play Hitman as a stealth game.. but when I’m spotted, I shoot the person who spotted me about 20 times in the chest, and then reload a checkpoint.

Aka existing in Chongqing

It lead to every single person but one guard dying in You Better Watch Out. I decided then to spend the entire rest of my time in that mission moving every single body to a single disposal place, with the last remaining guard stopping to stare at me suspiciously before moving on with his routine every so often.

All it takes is one bastard you didnt see to start screeming for help and its all over😂

The pain is real.

Yep Lol I hate that it rarely saves

I turned on the autosave HUD indicator, and most of the time it pops up, it has an X in it, presumably indicating it tried to save but failed. Why, I have no clue yet.

*last save literally in a previous game* ah fuck

Don´t use autosave: last save is 13 hours ago Enable autosave: it will overwrite right after you fucked up

one could argue it's actually a walking sim with ... extra steps (huehuehue)

@@NorroTaku I hate you with a fiery passion (nice one btw)

@@NorroTaku I hate you with a fiery passion (nice one btw)

Swear down I thought it was a top down strategy game

I thought it was a mobile online battle arena

I _knew_ I wasn't going mad. Fun fact: Hitman 47 _never_ wears green.

@@RoamingAdhocrat Hitman 2016 Sapienza mission - Golf Coach disguise.

Yep! I intended to change it before release because I thought it was a bit boring but I forgot - my bad!

@@ArchitectofGames I like the original title. It is a better explanation into the video you create rather than the updated title leading you in a completely different direction. Considering the "Architect of Games", it is more of an overview teaching you what the lesson is to be learned, rather than a vague explanation that sounds more like a video essay.

@@beastongaming1866 cant speak for them, but i think their comment is a nod to dont hug me im scared's "green is not a creative colour" bit

doom

Hitman never died.

@@karigreyd2808 although Absolution did cause it's heart to palpitate, Hitman 2016 got it back on track

@@venomsnake225 I would deff say absouliton was the worst in the series. Just doesnt feel like a hitman game.

@@karigreyd2808 That’s right baby.

Tried Kingdom Come, Deus Ex, STALKER already?

@@IrrationalDelusion deus ex has laughably smal and superficial worlds, are you for real

@nanyabizness564 superficial? It’s only very concentrated yes so you have to use imagination to justify the ridiculous overflow of content on locations in DXMD and DXHR. It looks believable and feels immersive. The power is measurable, so there are no unlimited abilities superheroes.

There is a classic scaling issue with level design. Too large and they feel empty and uninteresting, you just want to move through to get to the next interesting location. Too small and dense and they feel fake, like rides in an amusement park. And the layout has to make sense for what the place is supposed to be. Basically the dungeon situation. In a game a "dungeon" is a location, a set of rooms and hallways with a final goal, which can be a critical object, a boss, or a reward chest with loot. A location you want to reach. And the layout has to be be mechanically useful for that. The rooms and hallways and vertical levels have to create an interesting and somewhat challenging setup. And the final room has to be at the end, so that you have to traverse the entire thing first before you reach your goal. But nobody builds a place for that. People build places to live in, prisons, treasure vaults, crypts, entertainment halls, etc. And the dungeon has to make sense for that purpose. Think of the lair of an evil wizard. If his dwelling is at the end, beyond lots of traps and dangers, how does the wizard get in and out? There has to be an easier way that can act as exit and entrance. Or a crypt. You want to be able to get the bodies of your clan members in there and maybe even occasionally visit them. Or a prison. Sure you have cells for the prisoners, but you also want ways for the guards to move around, to get new prisoners in and to get people out when their time is done. And a house, a villa. The person owning the place would want to get in and out and have all the amenities necessary. All these places have to work for their intended purpose before they become a "dungeon" So if you're doing anything with game design, be it as developer for a big studio, a hobbyist working with RPG Maker or a DM at your local D&D table, think about which purpose the place originally had, and design it so that it makes sense for that purpose. Then transform them into a dungeon.

I'm pretty sure my playthroughs make 47 a kleptomaniac because I have had that same situation happen to me so many times that now I just grab everything not nailed down

I'm glad we can finally bring a crowbar with us. Now how about a screwdriver or a wrench? Would it be that hard for 47 to swing by a hardware store on the way to the mission? Seems like it would be a fair trade in lieu of coins or a vial of poison. I'm pretty sure a lot of us would even be willing to pay horse armor prices for that kind of downloadable content. Especially if it was called Screwey The Screwdriver, and the flavor text contained Jane's famous catchphrase, "I diagnose virus; I prescribe screwdriver."

@@a8lg6p Personally I want to be able to have some kind of box of food with the flavor text being "Allan please add details."

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Honestly, saying stealth games can't have many ways to complete missions sounds like an incredibly blatent attempt to justify the title. Has Millard never heard of Thief? Or Dishonored? In what way does sneaking around preclude several ways to complete a mission?

headcanon

@@RoamingAdhocrat *eggcannon

@@savoytruffles *yolk yeeter

@@lizardlegend42 *Scrambled Shotgun

Northernlion :D

I felt called out by that, normally that's what I do with youtube videos, though not this one

@@destructivforce2894 Ditto lol

Me, on the toilet, can't get up because my legs are asleep...

Imagine having anything shorter than a 3 hour critique on in the background

same

Bond is boomer trash

@@bennyomega9153 "bOnD iS bOoMeR tRaSh" stfu

It isn’t a reboot tho. It happens after all the games.

You know it’s good when even Yahtzee likes the core gameplay

@@bennyomega9153 its one of the most successful franchises in movie history you idiot

@@agent3976 I was talking about the classic Hitman 2 - Silent Assassin, not the new Hitman 2 since the reboot.

@@agent3976i think they were always five except for the escalations

I agree that his idea of "stealth games" only having a few solutions is a really torturous way to justify the title. By his definition, Portal and its sequel aren't puzzle games, since there is only one solution, and Thief isn't a stealth game.

Absolutely. Good callout!

i like this answer , nice one !

I would argue that understanding timings and reflexes itself is part of a puzzle and i mean honestly everygame in its truest self is a puzzle game. get from state a to state b with the options listed below.

Hitman is a puzzle game AND a stealth game. It all depends on how you play it. You HAVE to be stealthy to get the Silent Assassin, Suit Only achievement on each map, no other way.

Thats how I see it Honestly I'm kind of the opposite of this guy because I very much preferred the earlier games and actually liked his original lore. Hitman 2 Silent Assassin is my personal favorite in terms of overall story, scenery, mission objectives, amount of levels and arcs to level sections like you stay in St Petersburg for a couple of missions before moving on to like India, intel etc. It was kinda likea John Woo/John Wick hybrid because 47 retires and lives peacefully untill some bad men kidnapped his priest so he busts out his iconic gear and hunts this guy down and you can tell he's scared because he tries to use another clone from the same lab as you to take you out while having a cutout of himself be in a window as a decoy. Those original game stories I really liked. I found it more fun in these games trying to explore every option in multiple playthroughs to see how to go about if I can do this level with just a suit afterwards than the new ones. I still like the new ones. Don't really care for the reboot of the story and how it went that much or the episodic thing they had early on but although lesser levels they made up for it with the vast of space and different accidents you can pull off making it even more sandboxy. But I would say since the very 1st game all those years ago and still nowadays I feel like the A.I has always been a lil braindead or they immediately have x-ray vision or a 360 peripheral vision lol. I still think the ending to Blood Money is still one of the best video game endings because it kinda punishes those who skip cutscenes and may confuse people on the final mission Sorry kinda went off the rails but long story short I personally felt more rewarded in terms of enjoyment trying to get that Silent Assassin bonus in older games. Especially Blood Money when you read the newspaper

I actually rather enjoy Colorado. Found Miami to be worse tbh.

@@KamiRecca everyone has their own preferences so it's totally fair and fine to like Colorado and not Miami, though I'm curious as to why?

@@alexharrison2743 Hmm not sure i can competently put it down in words. The map tied together in a way i appretiated more, and the enemies felt more personal. Like we get to prep a mission with them, see them cut grass, hear them speculate about the other members and so on. While Miami felt... hmmm... Well the guards are just guards, not a ragtag team of idealistic fools, so they are not as interesting. The map design felt, well not weak, but slightly far-fetched. To say it like this, the approach for Colorado felt like it went something like this: "Ok so terrorists, where are they? "Probably somewhere on the countryside, like a dead grandparents house or something." "Ok, so what do we find there?" "Oh you know, grandparent stuff. Like a greenhouse, a tractor house, a small orchard, you know, farmstuff." "I like it!" While Miami felt like a kid came up with the basic premise: "Oh there is a supercool racetrack, and you can walk underneath it into a shopping mall, and there are offices, and labs, and secret weapon factories, and one building houses a Moonrocket." "Yea that works, but drop the moonrocket, thats streaching it too far." Edit: By this i in no way mean to say that Miami in any way was a Bad map.

@@KamiRecca I gotta say that, while you're not convincing me to like Miami any less, I'm going to replay Colorado with a new perspective now and look out for what you mention. What *I* didn't like about Colorado was that the targets all seemed pretty indistinct from the other hundred or so militia, and I felt that the briefing was weak in really making them feel like their deaths, and not those of the other hundred terrorists, was particularly warranted. I think it also has something to do with the fact that this is a hit that Diana is leading off her own back, rather than a contract with a fixed aim for the client, which is different but not in a good way from the previous 4 missions. If that makes sense?

@@alexharrison2743 yea, that makes sense. However 2 things: 1. Im not trying to convince you of liking or disliking anything. As you said, its up to each and every one of us ^^ 2. I kina like that with the targets tbh. Its not completely true (They do have more character than the goons), but for me the effect was that it raised up the goons of the level, not realy put down the targets. But hey, replay it and see if you feel the same or change your mind. I get that alot of people dont like tke map, so it is flawed in a general sense. Not bad, but flawed.

The whole time I owned the games, never thought to just use what's in the level. That will be real fun!

Don't see why that's a problem though

@Konichisan im currently trying to beat every level in hitman with only a explosive rubber duck SASO. It’s incredibly difficult but so rewarding to find a solution for those kinds of puzzles.

@@KenBro05 too on the nose. I like to make it more challenging for myself

Literally what I came to say lol

I was tabbed out playing Dishonored, he got me.

So true!

Very much this. After many years of not playing Hitman, I picked Hitman 1, completed Paris once, and was afraid to do it again. On other hand, after replaying Contracts and Blood Money, moving into World of Assassination was easy and I immediately got hooked. I wouldn't recommend Codename 47 because you must be a masochist, nor Silent Assassin as it is too stealth-oriented, but Contracts and Blood Money are great entry points (or warm-ups) for those who tried World of Assassination and got intimidated or overwhelmed.

Blood Money was my intro point as well. Granted I did play Hitman 2 at a friend's house... it was a bit much for me at the time. Absolution felt fine as a natural progression as it was more living sandbox that made you feel that being discrete was necessary, it also allowed you to go balls to the wall with action and mayhem which... was a nice change of pace, but went against everything a Hitman game stood for. I will still die on the hill that it was painfully disliked more than it should have been.

Blood Money was my first Hitman agme and remains to this day the best hitman in my opinion . I especially loved the newspapers part, where you could be a mass murderer or a silent assassin depending on how you played. I think it gaves more depth , and while i do understand promoting that you should be playing like a SIlent Assassin, it was funny to kill everyone in a level with just a knife and being calleed "Chef" in the newspapers.

@@julienkouassi617 no man nostalgia glasses I’m sorry. I started at absolution then 2016 and then instantly hooked best games in the world. Bought blood money week ago. While I have fun! And I know it’s old game. I just finished dancing with devil and did every level silent assassin it’s easier then the new games. But men the new games are superior in EVERY OTHER WAY. Put off the nostalgia glasses friend!!

so, the extreme violence mod?

@@ghostflxwer yes

@@ghostflxwer Or just the Sims...

@@KamiRecca ok Karen

@@ghostflxwer Im not sure you know what Karen is all about. Or im missing something. But please, do explain how i came across as a Karen there, because i realy dont see it. Looking foreward to your response. From Sweden with (Confused) Love - Kami

*FISH*

that's a really good take! hitman's systems could translate really well into either benevolent runs; learn about nobles' needs and wants, learn how to find them, make deals; or more aggressive runs, full of your rivals falling mysteriously ill or choosing to step down (poison and blackmail)

Interesting concept that could be applied to any number of historical eras or even specific figures, like Richard III or the Medicis. Would you choose an actual historical setting or opt for creating a fictional one?

This is basically Crusader Kings.

never played the old ones but your description makes it sound awesome

I loved the get paid system and upgrading custom weapons and also the news article! They definitely need to bring it back some way. Thats what made it cool looking at how u leave so many dead and how many witnesses, made you feel you had impact

You get a small hit of this progression in Hitman's Freelance mode. I'm actually finding it more engaging than the campaign missions (on which I spent a couple hundred hours overall)

I don't know why but Blood Money was the only one I had genuine fun. I played Abosolution and it was kinda meh/tiring, I played the older ones and just droped them after a while. Now I'm trying the new ones an I'm still not hooked. I'm just finishing the tutorial challenges tho, so I don't have an objective opinion yet. Blood Money was such a great and memorable game. One of the best I've played to this day.

well hopefully you like freelancer because that seems to be pretty close to what you were looking for

Until Absolution?

yea hitman 2000 is the definition of eurojank. So if 'under any circumstance' it shouldnt be played, that would also apply to: gothic, riven, and stalker. Needless to say, everyone should play these games, just be aware of myriad technical problems

@@fica1137 yep. Blood Money was the peak of hitman pre-absolution. And Absolution is the last and only game I ever pre-purchased. Not a bad game, mind you, just not a hitman game. If it had been a separate IP, it would have been a best seller for that year. Expectations matter.

@@AJ-pc9gu I immidiately thought about Gothic, great game but yeah it's off-putting experience to new players even for early 2000s RPG standard. Hopefully "remaster" will keep spirit of the game, I am not impressed by the trailer

I got the feeling he was more saying that he didn't find the early Hitman games compelling compared to the new ones, not that they were badly received.

well I didn't do it and I am now too reminded of the game

I just lost the game

I see what you did there, @adam

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Same

That's the upcoming Freelancer mode

@@mcslender2965 just roguelike

Yes indeed. I'm writing a paper about Goffman atm.

Not only with sociology.

Well, i think you'll find that its Goffman as Frontstage, but actually Bourdieu as Backstage.

That's how I play it too, and I don't know if I'm 'doing it right', like maybe I'm losing something by not just 'seeing what happens'? I tend to play it first time blind, then do most of the mission stories, to get a good idea of the level, then try for a SASO kinda to prove to myself that I don't need the mission stories holding my hand to pull off a clean hit. I would really like to just follow my nose from the get-go and try to piece together the unique kills that aren't related to mission stories, but I'm never sure what they've actually made possible in the game's code

@@alexharrison2743 Most of what you think is possible, is, but they also tend to make the coolest kills mission stories, or at least challenges, like throwing Robert Knox off the roof at just the right time so that he lands on Sierra's car.

Here's a good challenge for ya. Get silent assassin on every mission in Blood Money, using the nailgun for every kill. Careful; it is noisy, and will only one hit kill in the head. I've literally only pulled it off in the second mission (the Paris one, Curtain Call maybe?) because of the fact it's so noisy. I plan to complete the chalenge once I have the PC version.

@@scratchsoft2347 already have! And I have also watched Writing On Games's breakdowns of the newest hitman levels, those were my favourite of all. And he plans to do the same for the third game of the trilogy ofc!

@@scratchsoft2347 hope you like them, their channel is great!

@@scratchsoft2347 awesome!! Happy to have helped show you a new thing today. ^w^

Thought it was a nice challenge. The scarecrow challenges though were pretty hateable

Not true, at least not in Hitman 3. Guards will, after a short time spent near the dead target, run to where you fired the shot from if they either see the target be shot or notice the bullet impact. This can result in the rather amusing circumstance, provided nobody heard the shot/saw you shoot, where a bunch of the guards will run up onto the roof of the Water Tower building and aim up at the water tower itself but otherwise won't do anything because they can't actually see you up there if you stay crouched.

my first attempt on that part was that i walked into the chamber turned something of then ran as far as my little legs could take me

When your local Mumbai barber has turned into a bald white man. "I see nothing wrong with this."

I still have to finish it,

I remember the first time i finished it. I was a very happy 14 year old. But honestly, at the time i couldn't finish some missions without going loud at some spots, like the Lee Hong assassination and the boss fight with the drug lord. But i loved the hotel mission, that was the one i loved replaying and creating new ways of killing the targets just for fun.

Yes, I love Colorado. I find every mission enjoyable, no matter how absurd they can be. Like, each mission just feels unique with each other

6h ago are you me but in a different time zone?

And absolution?

That's a lot of role play 😏

People who eat without looking at their phone are the weird ones tbh

@@huitlang931 but I have a laptop. Why would I watch a video uncomfortably?

Keep at it! I The mission stories are like training wheels. When I first played Hitman 1/2, I finished in like a day or two and thought I was done forever. Until months later, I learned from RU-vid how amazing Hitman is...went back and made sure ALL the mission stories were completed, then the challenges, then the escalations...at which point I came to feel that escalations are where it's at, and the missions stories are just a dress rehearsal. I can't remember a name, but there's a video about how usually games avoid repetition, but Hitman was designed for it, and they pulled it off well. In a way that is actually really fun. But you might not realize it at first. Every time you play a level, you learn. You become more familiar with the layout, you learn the shortcuts, where the items are, you learn how all the pieces of these amazing convoluted Rube-Goldberg contraptions work. The first time, you may spend an hour or two painstakingly making your way deeper into the fortresses, etc, probably having to reload a bunch of times. By the 10th or 20th time, you might be in and out in under 5 min, using your Groundhog Day-like precognition. But instead of it becoming boring because it's too easy, it actually becomes more fun, because you have the feeling of mastery, and the ability to use the near-infinite array of options in new and creative ways.

YES EXACTLY!! (we’re not talking about Hitman: Agent 47 right?)

@@MadridyRonaldo let's forget about that movie :)