Great point! Actually very interesting because you're basically training to be strong at an open angle. I've probably trained myself to have a bad angle because of these types of exercises. We're not all Devon with an open top roll
@donnie9365Engin and Devon are two guys who would have no problem translating a parallel to the ground lift into their pulling. There are plenty of guys whose style does not translate to parallel lifts. What I am trying to say is that since you can always add more weight you should do what translates the best. If that so happens to be parallel lifts, than keep doing those. For me and many others, parallel lifts would not be optimal.
Not exactly. Notice where his elbow is. It’s up against his side. When you place your elbow on the pad at the table in front of you your angle is still close to or just short of 90 degrees. Especially after the match starts and your opponent is opening your angle a bit. Being statically strong at 90 degrees is a major benefit.
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dude you can't be serious. you do parallel because the vector forces applied on your arm is whats accurate for what specific muscle/force you're targeting. Having it all "tied in" together is what table practice is for. If you actually want to train the muscles involved in an effective way you HAVE to do parallel. This is just a test of elbow flexion. not how much down pressure your elbow can withstand. "accuracy' to the table doesn't mean sacrificing common sense. You don't have to have all your muscles "tied in" as a chain on every single movement you do. that's entirely unnecessary. "accuracy" doesn't refer to being connected and having the exact same position. it just means mimicking the forces applied on your hand/arm and this ain't it chief.
I don’t think it’s as much about being parallel to the ground as much as it’s about your upper arm to forearm angle being 90 degrees (or just shy of 90). At the table with the elbow on the pad in a match when you’re resisting your opponent’s force, your upper arm to forearm angle is around 90 degrees usually. The angle in your demonstration in this video is very similar to the angle you’d have with elbow on the pad instead of by your side.
90 degree angle is fine but once you force your arm parallel it only allows you to train your bicep/forearm in a certain way. For drag/bicep driven pullers like Engin this translates well, but for a lot of styles it does not.
Your elbow flexor is the weak point of the chain, not the lats. There's no real benefits to have the lats in it's most optimal angle as you've shown here. You can't keep your form consistent when you deviate from parallel, there's no reference plane. What ends up happening is that the form will progressively drift over time without noticing.
Simulations are best when done on tables because the pulling is horizontal. Gravity training is for strengthening. It does not have to necessarily simulate the form at the table. And you are talking about simulation in a gravity technique. If you are lifting a weight of 80 kg that makes 15 degrees with your forearm, your back pressure component (up against your brachio radialis) is just 20.7 kg (80 sin 15).
The weight versus your forearms should still be at a 90 degree angle for maximum pressure on the arm flexor no matter what your arm angle is so do is on pulley system or do the lift with you body at an angle
To me this doesn’t make sense for the riser and pronation lift it those are solely done for only riser and pronation I agree though that a 90 degree lift for biceps won’t translate over much for most ppl though I would agree wayyy more w you if you had the weight in your set up pulling away from you though and not down your arm , I think that would make this significantly better To me a lift should be as accurate as possible and having the pressure come from as accurate as possible , I don’t believe the way you preach it in this video is even remotely close to accurate though which ironically “ just add 25lbs more “ is ego lifting to me .
@@tsou7559, the parallel lift is not for replicating arm wrestling. Its for training pronation only. Saying parallel lifts is useless is the stupidest thing ive ever heard.
@@jermydentrmont9101 And also, the stupidiest thing that I've ever heard it's thinking that parallel lifts are only for pronation... Then tf are riser lifts? Or backpressure lifts like the one in this video? You can even train bicep with parallel lifts
I think of it as a bit of a spectrum of strength ROM in what you can achieve, me as a 135 pound short guy who has a lot of room to move around the table like working the shortest of range possible to that parallel angle as I found it helps for me when unexpectedly being hit out of position, I can stay in that more open angle and still have reliable sense of strength. Once I started training the most open I am most comfortable being on the table whilst engaging my lats as much as possible helped my defensive game and muscle mind connection in that angle knowing I have the confidence in such a position. I don't know if it is any different for people who are in heavier weight classes and bigger frames but in my smaller body and framework it has some sort of positive effect on my overall ability to defensively pull
That’s awesome youve found a spot in that angle. I do think height plays a somewhat significant part, as if u look at the top dozen or so super heavyweights the only one I would say would benefit from any form of parallel lift would be Devon. And he has to do it his own way and wouldn’t get much out of the way I showed in the video. Some of the smaller guys like Engin, as another guy mentioned, have an arm length which makes parallel lifts similar to what they do on the table. So If you feel like it translates well I’d stick with it 👍
