Why I Don't Trust Opera GX... 

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As a rule of thumb, I generally slowly stop using free/freemium products that somehow sponsor a shit ton of influencers, not for any grand or particular reason, just feels like something's wrong.

Microsoft Edge is NOT Open Source. The repository is only a license and readme file.

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This video can seemingly be summarized by the age old adages "don't believe salesmen" and "If you're connected to the internet, you're vulnerable". The gamer branding is just a marketing approach that imo is pretty clever, because outside of huge nerds, you need something to distinguish your browser from Chrome and Edge even though they're all essentially the same browser.

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I don't trust computer, there's a lot of backdoor and vulnerability in the hardwares... And that's why I use only Stones🗿

As a Firefox heavy user, a RAM limiter and better identification of CPU-hogging tabs is something I'd definitely like to see.

me watching this on opera gx

I'm a former Opera GX user, I switched to Brave 6 months ago and haven't miss Opera since

I love how there was audio of music playing in the background at the start of the video. Just loud enough that it made me look out my window to see who was so happy to share their music while in their car outside my house.

I never understood why we need a "gaming" browser anyways. Then again, cynical branding works if your marketing is good enough...

In terms of the limiters, I think it's geared toward people with less-than-average specs, or people with games that aren't very optimized. There's going to be something that suffers, and the limiter effectively works as a more in-depth and customizable priority option.

11:00 Those "gaming" filters give off the same vibe as the widgets you could download to turn your cursor into a flaming sword.

My main complaint about modern Opera is that it stopped using its own Presto rendering engine and just decided to follow the crowd and switch to Chromium, and I'm a web dev who made my bones during the IE6 vs Firefox days right before the first version of Google Chrome dropped when IE-only HTML and CSS on websites was the norm and I sometimes had to fight to even get clients to consider _Safari_ users as well before the iPhone released.

I'm using Opera GX not bcs it's a "gamer browser" or bcs "it's safe"(nothing related to the internet is safe. not even VPNs.), I use it cus that's the only browser which doesn't lag my laptop and doesn't require a sht ton of memory to function...

Many keep saying "leave that, get this" and little by little we are finding out "this" is sketchy.

Yeah, Opera was obtained by a Chinese company and near that time people left Opera and created the company Vivaldi which created the semi-open-source browser called Vivaldi.

well ,the Switch does have a browser built in, youre just not allowed to use it. the switch itself only opens it, if you conect to a hotspot requiring a login website and closes it as soon as it has internet.

0:02 - "ladies and germany" mutahar, 2024

The first time I heard about Opera was in 2011 in middle school when we had ipod touches. Opera was the work around we found to access facebook, twitter, and messaging apps on the schools wifi since that was all restricted otherwise on the network

I use firefox and brave. Youre going to get spied on no matter what, but being able to launch a browser and use it and have it not take 6.5 galactic years before it pops up as an unresponsive white screen is whats important to me until something comes out that actually works, quickly at that, and actually protects my privacy in a meaningful way.

I don't trust anything gaming-themed. It's all just cheaply effective marketing. Maybe besides "gaming" computer mice, cause the "non-gaming" ones are generally terrible, unless you spare like 120$ for one...

At this point web browsers feel like a "pick your poison" scenario in terms of privacy

What kills me is people who are sponsored by Opera GX don't use it on Stream.

i honestly only use it and love it because of the tab management system they have, i was able to create a work, university, movies and hobbies category and i can quickly just have the specific topic open and focus on work only for example and keep all the tabs i know i might need to look back at.

i also dont trust opera gx because when a company advertises themselves so much they probably also steal information

The one thing that I think Muta got wrong is about the GX Corner. While yes, you cannot remove the tab, the tab is not actually "active" so it doesnt actually take from the system resources as far as I know. When I start Opera GX, it immediately opens a tab with the Speed Dial. It doesnt open the GX Corner. The GX Corner doesnt start working and it doesnt become a real tab UNTIL you click on it. After that it stays active, however you can just turn off the browser and reopen it so it deactivates.

But there’s a built in music player so that’s enough for me

2:28 “and you’ve probably seen massive collaborations with big superhero companies like Vought International.” I appreciate Muta giving Vought the respect it deserves as a multinational corporation that’s integral to our economy.

Those fucking sound effects I thought was some sound OUTSIDE of my headset & I had to take off my cans to listen...

Tbh at this point I’d be floored to see a video where Muda trusts something.

Firefox + ublock is all you need Screw everything else

I moved to Firefox and never looked back.

I remember I had a Wii U and the built in browser on it allowed me to skip ads on youtube. The ads had the same scroll bar as normal videos so I just dragged them to the end to get rid of them. Sadly they fixed it some time around 2015-2017. Not sure when exactly I switched to using a PS4 mainly around that time and came back to it.

I really appreciate the fact that opera allows me to use messenger without opening Facebook

The network rerouting tools (essentially a VPN) can work if your ISP is cheap and chooses cheaper routing options rather than the fastest most direct links (Generally to overseas hosts) so while they may not help you if you're playing multiplayer games in your own region, it can help with certain job types that involve moving/accessing data from overseas, but by that point just purchase a VPN.

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I do think adding shaders to your browser is really funny

The purpose of Opera GX is for casuals with low-to-mid spec systems to get better performance for their games, at the expense of their browsing performance, when any other browser would only give them the option to kill the process entirely. My girlfriend plays games like Minecraft, Sims, and etc on her laptop, and to minimize the lag on her games, she had to close her browser entirely. With Opera GX, she just caps the browser to the lowest settings, and given she's not using it anyway until she alt-tabs to it, the loss of browser performance does not impact her during gaming sessions. Opera GX is not a bad browser and it does offer things competitors do not offer. Their main sin is try-hardy marketing. Most "hardcore gamers" are going to have the specs to run their games plus whatever else they feel like in the background. But most gamers, in general, are not "hardcore," so Opera GX is aimed at making their experience better. Plus giving them that sense of being "real gamers" due to the company's branding.

Firefox lives by "Unused ram is wasted ram" but it's also quick to discard tabs if you need it. I had over 1k tabs open in firefox and was only using about 1GB on an 8GB system (still had 2GB free ram) counter intuitively I had the least amount of power usage on firefox compared to the rest. I sometimes get to about 5GB used ram on my 32GB system(both under linux and windows). firefox does proportionally use more ram depending on how much you have/how much you need for other tasks.

2:10 I like how they show that Sneako blocked them as if that's some kind of "own" even though they do the exact same thing if you say anything critical of them lol

Main reason I use it is the limiters have a noticeable impact on my decade old PC, may or might not keep using it once I can build a new one.

Who would've thought I'd still be telling people to use Firefox in 2024... What is this? 2007?!

You can actually get rid of GX Corner right click GX Corner > move to sidebar > right click sidebar > uncheck GX Corner

Might be wrong but it used to be that you can disable the GX corner by right clicking it and then remove it.

15:13 It can work on memory leaks. I used something like that to reset the RAM usage of programs. My laptop didn't have the memory to run a lot of things so it kept capping out, but I could buy myself an hour on a lot of games by smashing the RAM usage to 0. Obviously the easier solution is to buy another stick of RAM, but if you're poor it's a functionality.

I use Opera GX on my Lenovo Legion Go and have zero problems. Spyware is in basically everything, both legally and illegally. If you want to completely disavow yourself from any privacy threats, you'll need to get rid of every piece of WiFi connective tech that is in your house, throw away your smart phone and replace it with a basic flip phone (they make special flip phones that absolutely CANNOT be tracked) and move yourself out into the wilderness of Alaska. Otherwise, stop worrying so much about these sort of things, unless of course you ACTUALLY store valuable data on your systems other than basic banking and personal info. You can do everything possible to protect that information and then Google or Capital One gets hacked and *fart noise* there goes your banking and personal info. If you are a bleeding edge tech engineer/developer, then you might consider avoiding as many privacy threats as possible.

I was an Opera GX user but recently switched to vivaldi cause opera gx was fighting me and having slowdowns and glitches (mind you, my PC has a 4070). I had enough and switched. The sole reason I used Opera GX was because of its sidebar where I could use Twitter. After using Vivaldi for a bit, I learned it also has a sidebar. Ever since, I never looked back!

3:22 Nintendo Switch does have a web browser. It’s used to sign in to Wi-FI networks that require a browser to sign in and can be exploited using the switchbru DNS to browse the internet.

The whole reason I deleted it was because it was so SLOW. Like I was trying to download a game that it said would take hours and the download would stop because it was taking so long. Out of desperation I tried Chrome (which I know isn’t great, but I already had it) and it only took 5 minutes. Switched to Firefox and haven’t looked back. Runs all my extensions and I can have a custom background

“Why I don’t trust Opera GX” “Today’s video is brought to you by our friends over at Brilliant” the absolute hypocrisy.

firefoxe's ram usage is due to the Gecko web engine, it's not great with RAM, nor releasing RAM. it's why I'm hoping Servo progresses and Mozilla partners to use that

All I’m gonna say is that since I changed over to Opera, which was two weeks ago, I have had a lot of my CPU’s problems go away. They can siphon whatever number munching bullshit they want as long as it works as advertised.

Muta VS Charlie when?

Bro trusts absolutely no one at this point.

task manager -> details tab -> find the .exe you want to 'boost' and right click -> set priority: high Windows will handle the rest. Most of the time if a game is too hard for a system to run no amount of 'boosting' will help. But prioritizing the game might actually help with crashes and stability issues while lowering the game settings is the 'boost' that really gets those frames going.

It's like Netscape's secret love-child grew up into a cringy Millennial.

Finally somebody talked about it.

Opera GX when I used it, started to cause crashing on my PC, I know it was the app because the crashing only occured when I had it installed. Each time I removed it, the crashing stopped. I did find out that despite me uninstalling it, it was still hidden on my PC, as it would appear to be reinstalled shortly after. I had to nuke all traces of it.

I think that Muta made a mistake by not considering low-resource systems in his tests, because GX Control functionality is *really* helpful on those Disclaimer: this is a very generalised response without talking about specifics of different systems/browsers and their specific architectures, so not all of it may be true for EVERY system+browser combo, obviously. Problem is that most OS schedulers in general consider your browser as a singular entity when deciding to give/limit system resources to it + they usually consider browsers to be high-priority processes, so they place them really low on out-of-memory killer priority list, for example. Which means that in the end essentially OS schedulers almost always diverge most of the resources to your browser unless you're running something even more resource-intense and prioritised in parallel (like a video game, obviously). So in the end you can't really rely on OS schedulers to limit your browser from being a resource hog, because in a lot of cases they will allow it to be. And if you're trying to have another process running, which is less resource-intense than browser, but more important to you - like your work stuff, so for example editors for text (documents/code), images (2D/3D), audio/video, etc - then your OS will feed your resources to your browser instead of your editor, which will suck cause usually you need to mostly do stuff in the editor while only sometimes looking in the browser for research/instructions/etc, so you would prefer your editor to not stutter instead of browser. However, there is a way to actually control it, and that's by controlling browser tabs. But since OS schedulers usually don't delve inside the main process (browser itself), they are unable to kill specific tabs that are hogging resources. But the browser itself can do that. Now lately in recent versions a lot of browsers, even including the bloated giants like Chrome, started implementing automatic tab killers inside their browsers. They basically detect if system resources are low and decide which unfocused tabs are low-priority so they can kill threads of those tabs to free up some resources. The tab remains in your tab list, but it's essentially closed and will be "reopened" when you click on it. This is an insanely useful feature when you need to keep a lot of tabs opened (for research, for example), but have a low-resource system. The problem is though that browser generally try to consider every tab a "high-priority" (which makes sense from "caring about user data" standpoint, they never know, what important stuff can be inputted in the tab and not saved yet) and automated killers only start when absolutely necessary (like when you whole system RAM usage is at 99%, for example). So in the end auto tab killers also don't really limit your browser from being a hog, they mostly just there to save your browser/system from a crash when/if it starts to choke at 99% of capacity. So in the end the ONLY feature that I've seen in modern browsers that can actually force your system to give more resources to "less important than browser" (from OS's POV) things is this GX Control. With it I can avoid the situation "90% of resources is consumed by browser to keep all it's tabs opened, which I don't need, while my work stutters at 10% of resources" and instead can have a situation "hard limited 50% of resources is consumed by browser, forcing it to kill a bunch of tabs, which is fine, and my work lives comfortably with another 50% available, consuming more when needed more (when compiling or rendering, for example)". Ironically all this means that this "gaming" browser is much more useful on a low-resource system (when gamers usually have high-resource ones, as evident by Steam statistics Muta used) used for working instead of gaming (because video games are more resource-intense processes and OS will prioritise giving them resource over browsers, but also will prioritise giving resources to browser over a lot of work software). So the "browser for gamers" is perfect for a grandma's cheap laptop that has like 2GB RAM, a 100 opened browser tabs because she forgets to close them and a Microsoft Word document opened that she needs to edit, because then this GX Control hard RAM limit will actually allow Word to not stutter and work smoothly, while all OS schedulers and auto tab killers won't help. The irony of this mismatch between marketing and actual useful cases is pretty funny, I'll admit. Oh, and ofc, I completely agree with all the other points Muta made, like that Chromium-based browsers are all kinda bloated, like that Opera doesn't show it's source code too openly, like that in the privacy department it's lacking, etc. That's why I personally don't use it on my systems (anymore, besides the time when I had to work from a really old and weak laptop for some time). I just feel like he really didn't consider how useful this GX Control feature is for low-end systems since his main system (obviously) and even his virtual machine that he pulled from Steam stats are pretty high-end. And how actually unique it is, since I don't think any other browser has it, and OS schedulers/auto tab killers, as I explained earlier, are not a full substitute for it. So, IMHO, GX Control is really the killer feature of this browser... but not for gamers. *TL DR: The "browser for gamers" is more suited for gamer's parents or even grandparents, lol.*

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Muta please make a web browsers tier list !!!

Opera GX throttled my Thunderbolt USB drivers. I just uninstalled it today and rebooted my computer - all my devices miraculously started working again. Thanks Mutahar, this video was very conveniently timed for me. EDIT: for those who have said "browsers generally don't do shit" or "the reboot is probably what fixed it" - look at a feature built into Opera GX called "GX Lights". This feature polls your USB RGB driver code and adds real-time RGB effects into your "browsing experience". Basically, it controls your lighting by injecting instance code into your USB drivers. This is what was causing my keyboard and mouse to fail. I'm sure if I wanted to, I could have turned off the feature myself in the back-end or checked the advanced settings flags in Opera GX; but it's about the principle. A web browser has no business overtaking my USB devices without my consent. So I uninstalled Opera GX, and I have no plans of getting it back. I work in IT, I know how computers work lol. This was an Opera GX problem, not a peripheral or Windows problem. Don't tell me you know my computer better than I do. I'm not naïve when it comes to technology. *mic drop* _I also replied to "Aaron Plays" but my comment was hidden. Thanks RU-vid. In short, I completely understand where he's coming from - I'm peeing into the wind when it comes to arguing for privacy. I _*_agreed_*_ to their EULA, so I should have expected anything. But Opera GX is poorly optimized, and I shouldn't expect my keyboard and mouse to drop off the face of the earth just because I wanted to use lighting control. Nor should I have to turn off said lighting control for my keyboard and mouse to work in the first place. That's bad code._

I switched from Opera GX to Firefox back when Google wanted to kill adblock addons on Chromium browsers. I don't miss it in the slightest, especially given that projects such as Firefox GX exist, which makes your Firefox browser look like Opera GX, which was the only thing I actually liked about Opera GX in comparison to other browsers.

it's sad because opera gx has the best looking UI and customization

How can OperaGX claim to use less memory than other browsers while, at the end of the day, be chromium-based and full of boatware.

the fact that opera is older than me by 20 years is crazy

I think you covered this excellently. People who want Opera GX, should do it. If they got charmed by the snake oil salesman lines, then don't. If they like these functions then more power to them. If they fear about Chinese spyware allegations, they shouldn't. I think in spite of the title this is a pretty neutral review, even if you are deeply skeptical of Opera GX. It's a product for people, it may not be for everyone and certainly doesn't have some industry shaking unique advantage but it's a decent browser for those who look for that, at least.

Hi! When you showed your neofetch output I saw you only had one gpu, the rtx 4090, but when you opened virt-manager I also saw you had that gpu passed trough to the win11 virtual machine. I wanted to ask you if you share your gpu between the host and the guest or you figured a way to partition your gpu underneath linux?

If you want the GX Corner to be gone from the Taskbar, all you have to do is enable the (one and only) slider that was highlighted when you searched for it in the settings. That's it, that's how you get rid of it.

I wish you touched upon Vivaldi, which was made by the Co-Founder and then CEO of Opera. There had to be a reason beyond "oh Opera shut down their forum so they just up and left" which is what wikipedia basically states. If the CEO decided it would be better to start over with a more security focused browser than to stay at his current company, I'm sure there were more reasons than the one I mentioned.

What I like about Opera GX is the screenshot feature where you can screenshot a portion of the page and also the feature when you copy an image and upload it you can choose the picture on your clipboard so you wont have to download the picture if you want to upload ot just copy and youre good to go

I actually bought Opera 3.61. Ran it under Windows 95a and Windows 3.11. I still have the registration key somewhere.

there IS a way to disable the gx corner fully nowadays, but it is a bit convoluted. Send it to the sidebar. Then remove it from the sidebar in the sidebar settings.

Hope Charles takes a look at this

+1 for Librewolf, anything Firefox fork is a great choice when it comes to privacy

6:13 Microsoft Edge is not actually open source, just like Opera GX both are based on chromium which is open source but the layers on top (browser vendor specific features) which make Chrome, Opera GX, Microsoft Edge and other browsers is not open source.

I actually really like a lot of the features. The VPN works well enough to get around geoblocking, the pop put video feature is great, and the way it saves your tabs was really useful for me in the spring when storms kept knocking my power out.

Not that it changes anything but edge also runs on startup.

So basically: 1) There's not much performance difference across browsers. 2) Opera has some extra features that some may or may not find useful. 3) 26:24 here's a 2 minute scroll of a privacy test on some browesers. 4) Opera doesn't sell your data to anyone because that's illegal. I honestly think this video didn't need to be almost 40 minutes long. Most of it was spent on saying you don't care about the extra features it has and the fact that the performance is similar to other browsers. I clicked for the privacy concerns you hinted at by the title that you only ever adressed 25 minutes in. And even the browser you use, brave (if I understood correctly) isn't even that good at it if you compare it with that Tor one. Essentially if you like how opera gx looks and how customisable it is, try it out and even if you don't think you'll find much use of certain features, that's no reason to dislike the browser. If you don't like the aesthetic that's fine, there's many browsers to choose from. As a European company Opera probably won't be selling your info to any Chinese, American, European or whatever governments and companies. If privacy is the only thing you care about to the point that browser customizability doesn't concern, just get Tor since apparently no other browser does that as well.

I use Brave myself. I moved to Brave after Edge started giving me problems.

I’ll stick to edging, thanks.

Didn't you used to sponsor it

Holy shit this video could have been 10 minutes. Stop repeating the same thing 10 times before moving on to a new point. Couldn't finish this video.

I knew I should, but the final straw that made me stop using Opera GX was the jump-scare from Eric Andre. It's bad enough that it's impossible to disable the startup splash once the browser updates itself. I'd imagine for most people it plays at full PC volume since everyone just uses sliders in whatever video playback app is being used. I normally have headphones plugged in at all times, but this one time I happened to have them unplugged so I open my browser, tab to something else and all of a sudden I hear this loud scraping/ripping sound and then someone yelling at full blast. I literally thought someone was in my apartment and I scrambled to defend myself. I could not figure out what had happened since the jumpscare doesn't leave anything on the screen...just my open browser like normal. I was shaking for the next few hours, even at work. Get the fuck outta here, Opera. Then the non-apology tweet in response to everyone with stories like mine: "Chill brah it's only for one day". I uninstalled like I should have a long time ago.

In 7 months he’ll start saying brilliant is bad

Just one correction: You can absolutely turn off GX corner, I turned it off on my own client. It functions as a pinned tab all you have to do is right click it and select "seperate tab".

The real question is why not try Vivaldi? It has all of the benefits of Opera GX but with Linux support and (while the UI does not count) is open source. All while not selling your data because it has no incentive to, with Vivaldi Technologies not being owned by companies like Google or MS

I use Microsoft edge to edge myself to sog

There was that same Vought ad on this video. lol

another thing is plugins that opera includes by default, opera's ad blocker was embedding malicious scripts on the sites

Seems like they don't know what real gamers need. A slick slim small not very demanding fast browser, with a clever user interface, that does not spy on you, that doesn't stack up bigger and bigger growing files about your behaviour and/or whatever.

I've been using Opera for the better part of 20 years. Currently the scummiest thing has to be Opera adding sites to speed dial (default home page) It's blatantly just based on who is paying them that week. Going farther back, I miss being able to divide tabs within your windows the same way we organize windows in the desktop. It was the last major feature before they migrated to chrome

Mutahar should put a counter on the bottom right corner to count how many times he says f**k and it's variants.

I've tried Opera GX on three different computers, and every time I had weird graphical glitches on my screen with the browser open while watching videos. On a previous computer, it was just all kinds of bugged. It looks really cool and I used it for a while before the glitches and stuff happened more frequently. I liked having instant access to messengers and stuff on the sidebar, but it's just a bunch of bells and whistles that are ultimately aesthetic. When the graphical glitches became a frequent eyesore, I just said screw it, I'm not messing with it anymore.

I remember the bad old days when my new iPhone 3G (and the 3g service itself) was so slow I had to use Opera Mobile because it was barebones. This abomination is nothing like that.

The browser sound effects sound like there is a shooting outside Muta's house

What browser should I use then?

3:36 "Browse the internet and play a video game at the same time" Or use your phone... XD