In this video Pr. Jack Shannon goes through quotes of the fathers in St. Irenaeus, St. Cyril of Jerusalem and St. Athanasius showing that they viewed and believed Holy Scripture to be sufficient to declare the doctrinal truth.
You're welcome, Richard. Thank you for the comment. Glad it was edifying. I hope to equip Protestants with the riches of our great tradition and the fullness of our larger Christian heritage.
@@jacoblopez989 Yes. The great Puritan William Perkins even wrote book defending the Reformed Catholic tradition. We are not Puritans, but we have a great appreciation for the Puritans. We take the term Reformed Catholic from Peter Leithart's book The End of Protestantism.
@@jacoblopez989 We hold to some Puritan doctrines like Postmillennialism, covenant theology, and paedobaptism. But we would depart from them in the Regulative Principle of Worship. We would side with men like Richard Hooker and hold to a Normative Principle of Worship. In that way we would be more Lutheran or Anglican.
Purgatory. This quote is probably why Luther deleted Maccabees, if you're intellectually honest with yourself, because Maccabees is among 6 other books that are included in the septuigant. 2 Maccabees 12:46 "It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from sins" This is probably why Luther didn't like this or James among several other books he initially deleted. Luke 12:59, 58 For while you are going with your opponent to appear before the magistrate, on your way there make an effort to [ac]settle with him, so that he may not drag you before the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. 59 I say to you, you will not get out of there until you have paid the very last [ad]cent.” 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, [d]precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test [e]the quality of each man’s work. 14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. Matthew 5:25-26 Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.
You made the error of cherry picking a quote of ECF in order to claim support for the doctrine of sola scriptura, while ignoring other passages that support Apostolic Tradition. In the next chapter we see irenaeus affirming Apostolic Tradition. "But, again, when we refer them to that tradition which originates from the apostles, [and] which is preserved by means of the succession of presbyters in the churches, they [Gnostics] object to tradition, saying the they themselves are wiser not merely than the presbyters, but even than the apostles, because they have discovered the unadulterated truth. (Against Heresies 3.2.2)
cribe to this man's channel by clicking on the link below. ru-vid.com/show-UCvrrlGPGPa-LW50sGplQ9sA Article 7: The Sufficiency of Scripture We believe that this Holy Scripture contains the will of God completely and that everything one must believe to be saved is sufficiently taught in it. For since the entire manner of service which God requires of us is described in it at great length, no one- even an apostle or an angel from heaven, as Paul says-2 ought to teach other than what the Holy Scriptures have already taught us. For since it is forbidden to add to the Word of God, or take anything away from it,3 it is plainly demonstrated that the teaching is perfect and complete in all respects. Therefore we must not consider human writings- no matter how holy their authors may have been- equal to the divine writings; nor may we put custom, nor the majority, nor age, nor the passage of times or persons, nor councils, decrees, or official decisions above the truth of God, for truth is above everything else. For all human beings are liars by nature and more vain than vanity itself. Therefore we reject with all our hearts everything that does not agree with this infallible rule, as we are taught to do by the apostles when they say, “Test the spirits to see whether they are from God,”4 and also, “Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching.”5 2Gal. 1:8 3Deut. 12:32; Rev. 22:18-19 41 John 4:1 52 John 10 www.crcna.org/welcome/beliefs/confessions/belgic-confession
Did Church Fathers teach purgatory ? You betcha. Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, St Cyprian, St Basil, St Gregory Nyssa, St Ephraem, St Jerome, and St Augustine - all taught purgatory. Saint Thomas Aquinas has long sections in the summa regarding the matter.
I typically dont do this, but your a sharp guy and and just missing the mark on the truth, and I dont think you understanding the two parallels I dropped on you. if I'm not mistaken the Anglican church is younger then the United States of America, i didn't realize that. the Catholic Church is over 2,000 and the oldest institution on this earth. You need more understanding in the jewish roots of Christianity, something Anglicans cant really give you. Twisting early church fathers to fit your agenda is nice, but you need to go earlier than that to find the actual Truth. i think personally you have an authority issue, i don't blame you, I grew up with one too and clearly most of society has daddy issues. Anything patriarchal and virtual reaching heaven seems to turn people away. but bare with me here please this took me awhile to write.... In Isaiah 22, specifically 22:19-23, what Isaiah is doing is prophesizing the office of prime minister will be handed down to Eliakim... The office is an office, it doesn't stop with one man it gets passed down. An office that has succession. how does one know who holds this office? we have two key symbols. First he has the keys of the house of David.why? the key is a symbol of authority. if you went on vacation you give some one your keys. you are in charge while im gone. the king had trusted royal authority over the kingdom to him. the minister to the office is 2nd in rank to the king. its an office, you know he has the office because he has the key, and his role is the father of the kingdom. the prime minister acts as a father to the kingdom he is watching over. the reason this is important is the root of the word for the pope is 'papa' the father of the church, but I'll get back to that, don't get side tracked with that yet. he says the prime minister opens and none shall shut, when he shuts none shall open. this is a binding ruling authority, not just symbolic but actually ruling or teaching authority. He has the power to make binding decisions. This is fascinating because already whats being described in the kingdom of David, is someone who is 2nd in rank to the king, has the key to the house of David, acts a father to the entire kingdom, and has royal authority to make binding decisions. Fast forward to the new testament in Matthew 16 what is Jesus doing? He is making Peter the Prime Minister of the kingdom of God, He is giving peter the office of the Davids House. that means that peter has all of the same characteristics, 1) 2nd in rank only to Christ himself 2) his is given the key of royal authority over the church, power 2nd only to Christ, as prime minister he acts as a father to the church. Which is why it became customary very quickly in the ancient church to refer to the bishop of Rome as 'papa' 4) he has the power to make binding authority to the church. "what you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven", what ever you loose on earth is loose in heaven" by the 1st century ad those were technical terms Rabbis used to authoritative teaching. if the rabbis bound it it would be for everyone, if they loose it it would be unnecessary for everyone etc.( you can see this in Matthew 23:4) binding burdens is the language of pharisees teaching authority. Jesus here is transferring that power from the Jewish teachers to peter. This is extremely radical of Jesus, notice he doesn't say that what ever heaven decides peter will agree with. he says what ever peter teachs will be ratified by God in heaven. its a radical authority to teach that Jesus gives to peter to bind and loose. if Jesus is making peter the prime minster of the kingdom of god, if Jeus is alluding to Isiah 22, the only text which has all these parallels with Matthew 16. by definition the authority he is giving peter as the rock, isn't going to stop with peter, its an office. just like after a death the office was handed down to Eliakim , now after peter dies the office, the authority, the role as father, and the keys are passed on to the next successor as the bishop of Rome, the Popes. Why? because they act as fathers to the universal church ranked 2nd to Christ himself. The papacy is not a medieval invention, and yes the word pope directly is not in the bible. if you look at the new testament in the jewish context you can see Christ is establishing him as the first pope. 2 protestant scholars, W.D. Davies and Dale Allison both agree in the book known to be the most exhaustive and authoritative commentaries on the gospel of Matthew called "the gospel according to saint Matthew" 1990's. experts of the gospel of Matthew agree that today most scholars recognize Jesus is making peter the supreme rabbi over the universal church. Jesus clearly established an office with successors.I'll leave you with an early church father, St. Irenaeus just before the end of the 2nd century, in his famous work against heresies: "of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric." (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3.3.2-3) .... Linus was Peters 'successor' Hope this sparks some curiosity for you. Have a great weekend, God Bless
Prayerfully ask The LORD to give you understanding, and read JOHN CHAPTER 1:12-13, AND chapter 3, carefully. 2 CORINTHIANS 5: 17. These Passages do not talk about baptism, but a renewal of the heart. GOD BLESS YOU. That's why the REFORMATION happened in the 16th century in the first place. Luther was a Monk. And all of a sudden light Bulb turned on in his head. Studying the REFORMATION will be helpful, indeed. Sola scriptura.
No. We do not hold to transubstantiation, but we believe the bread and wine are truly the body and blood of Christ in the celebration of the Eucharist meal, similar to Lutherans (the original Evangelicals). But we also believe the Reformed view of real presence is a good understanding as well. We believe all denominations which are Trinitarian are truly part of the Church. This is not to say all denominations are faithful. Some are more faithful than others. But we are not sectarian. We are catholic, meaning we believe in the fullness of the Church, that all faithful Christians of all traditions and denominations make up the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. There is only one Church, and our local congregation is not it. We are part of it. Lutherans are not it. They are part of it. Anglicans are not it. They are part of it. Baptists are not it. They are part of it. Charismatics are not it. They are part of it. You get the idea. Thanks for the question!
3 Dear friends, although I was eager to write you about the salvation we share, I found it necessary to write, appealing to you to contend for the faith that was *delivered to the saints once for all* Jude 1 End of Storey ! sola scriptura Corruption in the church started towards end of first century as seen in Revelation (messages to 7 churchs) and Paul's departing words to the Ephesians, and 1 John message about gnostocs !
