Why I skipped Leica Q3 for M11 

Totally agree!

Having the huge variety of old lenses for M mount is also a selling point for M👌🏻Have fun shooting!

Hello, thanks for the video and about low light, what do you think of the image quality from 3200 iso to 6400 ? I took some inside and there was much noise that wasn’t so nice. Do you have an opinion ?

@@francineguillard8026May I know which camera are you referring to?

also i enjoy the autofocus and also the tilt screen even if not flush id rather have the tilt sceen than no having any tilt at all

I'm happy for you, enjoy your set up!

You're right, but my point is - I don't need summilux, so I can mount any other smaller and lighter lens. With Q you have to have it at all times. It makes sense for these kind of cameras, but not for me personally. If not M11, I would still rather buy used M10P or M10 which are cheaper than Q2 even (if the question was the money)

Q3 is a sealed camera, the M11 is not, and also the Q3 has the ability to shoot at 28/35/50/75 and 90mm without having to spend thousands of dollars is lenses. The processor of the Q3 is better than that of the M11.

@@user-bu3zv5zh4b I don't know about you, but I don't shoot in the rain very often, sealing is a must for Q because you cannot detach lens to clean the sensor. As for cropping, I can do the same with any lens on M11, so it's actually more versatile since you can only crop from 28mm shots with Q3 - if I mount 90mm on m11 I can crop much further and get more usable range so being able to crop in is a great feature for Q3 with 60mpx, but it's still not as flexible as interchangeable lens camera like M11 with the same sensor.

@@SergioMusel It doesn’t have the same sensor, the Q3 has a better sensor.

@@user-bu3zv5zh4b Says who exactly?

Thanks! Exactly, Q cameras are great for their purpose, but it doesn't really align with what I want... but it's perfect for some other photographers!

Hi, well, on contrary, Q3 proves my point - it is a great camera! I don't talk about 60mpx here because like I was saying multiple times before in other videos high megapixel sensor makes all the sense in a fixed lens camera (more than in M11 tbh). But bigger sensor and more megapixels are defied by a much wider lens (at least for me), so you don't gain that much by cropping. I was also talking about a camera like a digital GA645: big medium sensor camera with a fixed zoom lens, now that's another story. If such camera exists, it would definitely be my first choice😅 But it is exactly because of the reasons a talk here Q3 didn't make the top of my list - M11 is smaller, lighter, more versatile and stripped of all the unnecessary for me features (AF, HDMI, video, f/1.7, etc.)

That is a good case, but not with Leica Q, it was never designed or intended for one hand operation (inlike for instance Ricoh GR). You can, but it was clearly designed for both hands (like most Leicas) and so that’s why you can see the same design language throughout M/CL/Q models (talking about the back side). So that’s what I meant when saying they sacrificed design language and usability over an ugly designed tilt screen… I guess some like it, some don’t, I’m just with the latter ones😅

Like I said, Q3 is a great camera that can easily fit many scenarios for other people, just not for me I guess😅

It does make a compact and light kit👍🏻

Thanks!.. Well, you do have screen and optional EVF for any lens that is not within the frame lines, but I feel perfectly fine with 28-50-90 frames. I'm yet to try out UWA, hoping to get Voigt 12 or 15mm anytime soon. I shoot primarily closed down to f/5.6-8, so focusing on Leica is fast and easy for me. Leica isn't a luxury watch, but it is not for everyone, that's true, I understand how it makes no sense for the majority of photographers, especially with some brilliant cameras on the market right now

​@@SergioMusel don't get me wrong, I would absolutely pounce on the chance of using or even owning one the moment the opportunity presents itself. And I hope the precision engineering of Leicas results in that sublime user experience I imagine it to be. But admit that parallels between Leica and luxury watch brands like Rolex are uncanny: once high-quality tools for professionals in мачо-хлопчачі fields (photojournalism and scuba-diving respectively) and now utterly irrelevant for the actual task they were created to perform. I do understand the reasoning of the high-quality tool inspiring you to pick it and thus shoot more. But to me, that sounds a bit backwards. I'm sorry to be such a downer and bring this "well, actually" energy to the conversation 😅 One day hopefully I'd be able to form an opinion based on my own experience, but until then I'd have to comment on the opinions of others) Ah, and I'm genuinely interested in seeing how your "relationship" with this camera develops. Гарних знімків!

@@SergioMusel One more thing I'm curious about: is there any focus shoft with the lenses you shoot with when you're stopping down? I wounder how are you supposed to deal with that on the rangefinde camera.

@@androoy.p Old lenses probably do have that, but in real world I would say it's a non-critical issue, especially with modern lenses. Leicas are well calibrated and don't physically focus very close (the case when the focus shift is most prominent). When I focus on my 50 f/2 wide open I use screen for precision anyway, but those are rare cases for me.

@@androoy.pI own Elmarit 28 and a Steel Rim, both no back focus issue when stopping down but mounting a Summicron 35 replica by Light Lens Lab the focus started to shift when stopping down to f4-5.6 but at f8 it normalized again. So a good lens should be no focus shift issue. FYI, Voigtlander 35/1.4 MK-I has focus shift issue so it released a MK-II version to mitigate the problem.

I don't completely agree, I use screen on M for wide-angle shots as well as some tricky angles where it's impossible to do it without the eye.

Thanks! Found PVC stickers online👌

Thanks! I love it so far

Agreed, unlike in Q3, 60mpx in M11 doesn’t make too much sense, but what can you do😅

@@SergioMusel I don’t think 60MP makes sense in any camera for 99.9% of users.

Thanks!

I didn't talk about the performance at all - in fact, if you're attentive, you might have noticed that I praise it. What I point out instead is that the lens is physically big and they did not attempt to make a version with a narrower focal length (like Ricoh GR3X did for instance).

The lens with the best MTF chart doesn’t win any competitions 😂

Ahhh)) Well, if you have M11, I see no reason for you to get Q3 - X100V surves the purpose much better

Everything has its place😉 But seriously, I really wanna dig into history of making M5 to find out why the design deviated so much with it🤔

I don't think there was much beyond the fact that they wanted to include their first light metre (which is a spot meter and reported to be better than the M6 one). The light metre and shutter speed is also still considered to be better than the rest (and is definitely more useful and easy to use in practice than that of the M6 and the way the metering has been since the M6). It has some quirks but works nicely alongside my M11 @@SergioMusel

I like the side straps👌🏻@@Shephard1978

c'est la vie, no need to be sour about it