Just went on a podcast talking in depth about this topic, covered some more stuff not in this video. Check it out! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NbrKLze5R54.htmlsi=aWlutSSEzcYNI_el
I'm a stomach sleeper who is large to say the least the purple mattress I use makes me feel great! Any thoughts if this would still work or if I should bother checking it out?
Loved this video! Always felt more comfortable sleeping on the floor myself. I would recommend removing items underneath the bed as to not absorb the energy of them while you’re resting. I’ve always noticed my sleep improved when I did that. Thank you for the inspo! 🙏🏼
@@TheBudgetguy_K.T if your mattress makes you feel great.... and you watched this entire video... why are you asking? Its clear if"you should bother checking it out".
I've been sleeping on the floor (on just a tatami mat) for about 8 years, and I no longer have back issues that I had when sleeping on a bed. I'm in my 70s and I think getting up and down from the floor helps, too.
So good to see someone in their 70s doing things like this! So often I hear people, even when they are in their 50s, already saying things like "I'm too old for this". But doing things like this is exactly what keeps the body young!
I will be 58 years old this year, got my Futon mattress nearly 3 years ago after watching Cade's original video. The best decision I ever made. Back and neck pain went and have stayed away after the first week. Also, I find it easier getting up from the floor each morning than I ever did getting out of a standard raised bed. I also have better sleep and feel totally rested each morning now. To get an idea of how it would feel, as I waited for my futon to be handmade and delivered, I stuffed 2 quilts into a quilt cover and used that as a temporary measure. It is similar to a futon, but the actual futon is even better. Give the 2 quilts a try and get an idea of how it feels before you buy your futon. I hope this helps.
I sleep on a Thai kapok mattress. I am 60. I can roll it up if needed during the day. I would not wish to sleep in a "normal" bed ever again. I have also just slept on a duvet and also just on the floor. I have also just got rid of my sofa as it was not helping my back.
holy shit. I watched your video about sleeping on the floor 4 years ago and haven’t seen your channel since. my jaw dropped when I realized who you were. how crazy to see your channel again. I too have slept on the floor everyday since. thank you!
I been having back problems when I was 19-20. I decided to sleep on futon, and I never went back from it. Futons are so easy to give your room more space and I don’t have any back problems anymore (due to sitting and studying too much for uni).
I'm 72. I have a tatami mat and cotton futon but did have to add a 2" foam pad under that. I'm a side sleeper and it was just too hard on my shoulders. I second the idea that getting up off the floor a lot is great for seniors. Will not go back to a conventional mattress. My back feels great. And look into getting a buckwheat hull pillow too.
There's a channel on RU-vid called Brett's Pillows, or some such. He says millet hull pillows are even better as they don't make so much noise. Worth checking out
So I watched your first Q&A about 2 or 3 years ago whenever it was posted and that's what convinced me to convert so now I've been sleeping on one directly on the floor 2 1/2 years now and I prefer sleeping on it than anything else
Two years in and still loving the Japanese futon. I can’t see myself going back. And as you mentioned I believe the physical act of getting on and off the floor is a great heal be if it long term and could allow for much better mobility in an older age.
I totally agree! I think it's very important especially as you age. Elderly people in Japan have amazing mobility. I think floor shikibutons, and their emphasis on sitting and being one with the floor, is a large contributor to this.
I slept on on this style of bed on the floor for over 10 years! It was only recently I decided to try a Western mattress with a bedframe and everything, etc. It was wicked expensive to gather everything I needed. It's real cozy and a nice change of pace but I'm already dreaming of going back to a Japanese-style futon later on. I was so happy with it!
My neck and back had been hurting me for awhile and one night I got out of bed in so much pain and laid on the floor and started feeling relief. So I took some wool left over from insulating our tiny house- pure wool from havelock - and sewed them together into a little mattress and put it on the floor and have been feeling so much better. The first few weeks were a little uncomfortable but now I can’t even imagine sleeping on a mattress as I’m so comfy on the floor. I also hang my wool mattress outside on the clothes line in the sun every couple of days to air it out and dry it as I do notice moisture build up on the bottom. Thanks for spreading the word 🙏🏼 ✌️
From what I've seen people say, you could look into getting a tatami mat (or something similar). It should help with keeping your little mattress from keeping all the moisture on solid ground
It really depends on how your spine anatomy looks, for reference you can check out dr stuart mcgills videos where he discusses sleeping on hard matrasses vs soft. For some people sleeping on a hard matras or floor can really be an improvement, but marketing this as a fix for all is actually misleading and can lead to harm.
For reference : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L_B931iK8Mc.html (Mcgill is the biggest scientific authority on spinal injury and low back issues)
This video should have millions of views, I clicked on it cuz I've had neck and back problems for years and I take great care of my health so it's very frustrating to be on constant pain and I've heard that sleeping on the floor is great for back pain so hearing all these other things about chemicals in American made mattresses is just the icing on the cake. Thank you for making this video.
If you pay enough attention you’ll see the algorithm picking up on thought patterns. It can even accurately diagnose an ailment without you talking about it or typing in a search.
I love it. I want to do it as well. Yes, getting up and down would keep us so mobile. The Japanese seem so at ease in their spaces. And I so adore the simple aesthetic of it very much.
I just bought a "top-of-the-line" bed a few months ago and when I wake up, I like to do yoga in the morning, but I'm in so much pain that I need 1-2 hours of rest before I can get going with my exercises. Your video has inspired me to fix this because I was wondering about the best way to sleep on the floor.
I have posted in another comment here that to get a cheap indicator of how it feels, I stuffed 2 quilts into one quilt cover whilst waiting for my futon to be delivered. It's a similar experience although the futon feels much better. Had my futon for nearly 3 years now and wish I had found out about them much sooner than I did.
Saw that you’re looking into pillows so wanted to share what I ended up going with as a side sleeper. I got a 6” cube shape natural latex pillow on Amazon and really like it. Same idea as the pillow cube with the square shape fitting the shoulder gap better than a traditional pillow, it’s just not memory foam. You can get your pillow height by laying on the bed on your side and measure the space from the bed to the side of your head. You can also do this standing against a wall. I also have a shikibuton and ran into the issue of having too flat of a pillow since my shoulder doesn’t sink into the bed like a traditional mattress so just thought I’d share. The one I got was the Turmerry Cuboid Side Sleeper Pillow Long (24x12)/ High 6”/ Soft. Absolutely love your videos! Keep up the good work!
I was sleeping on just some thin yoga type mat for a while and completely became used to the hardness and flatness. Then I saw pieces of plastic coming off and switched to a foldable cotton mattress filled with kapok. It's comfortable yet flat and not overly soft, and of course natural materials :)
Have been using a tatami for 7 years as a foundation. Still smells like grass, no mould, still in one piece. Used it with a 15 cm futon which has cotton and a natural latex sheet in it. Just replaced it because the middle had the Mariana Trench lengthwise, with a non-toxic hd cold foam (on the tatami). Working out well so far as well.
This is an interesting topic to me and I do have some experience sleeping on the floor. In high school I slept on a futon directly on the floor exclusively and I remember being in a LOT of pain from it. I actually started sleeping with a bolster for my knees because of it, which did help a bit. I then slept on a standard twin mattress directly on the floor until I moved in with my partner at 22. We got a nice tempur pedic and I IMMEDIATELY felt no more back pain and felt like I got a real night’s sleep; he felt the same. I am not saying you’re wrong, just that my personal experience has been the opposite. In regards to the chemicals, I think it’s a good idea to limit your exposure for sure. However, everything we are in contact with (especially in the US) has something that probably causes cancer if we’re being honest. Our food, clothes, the air we breathe, etc. is all polluting us daily and there’s nothing we can do about it. Again, I am not disagreeing just being more realistic. I work with people who are in pain every day (LMT) and I can tell you there is so much that contributes to it. Yes, we are in bed a considerable amount of our lives so it definitely plays a huge role. But even the positions we sleep in makes a difference, regardless of how firm the mattress is. Just something to think about
Lawsuits can be filed by a person or group of people but it doesn't necessarily mean the other party is automatically guilty. As for the Tempur-Pedic lawsuit mentioned at 3:57, a federal judge denied the motion for reconsideration and class certification in 2017. Great video though!
I’ve been sleeping on one of these for a few years now…all natural cotton, eucalyptus and maybe some wool ?, from futon d’or. Love it❣️ My back is much better now, from also sitting cross legged on the floor at a small table/desk, and wellthier overall with other WELLthier lifestyle choices included. I’m turning 60 and I’m in better shape now. 💝 An fyi. I flipped it over once at first, not realizing how much moisture our bodies emit, and got mould growth. Airing it in the sun got rid of it. Now I typically put it out in the sun/air for a few hours every couple weeks…flipping it to get both sides
I remember watching your videos a few years ago; they inspired me to look into futons and floor sleeping, and mattresses that have certifications for "natural" materials that at least put off less VOCS. I went with Avocado Green Mattress, which I have found doesn't irritate my allergy that flared up when I used a cheap mattress topper in college!
Wow amazing! Yes a lot people report allergies to mattress toppers, it's a sad industry. Stoked to hear you are liking your need mattress and floor sleeping!
I’m at the one month mark floor sleeping and still ache but it’s getting better. I’m 51 and trying my hardest to adjust. I know I’ll get there. Love my Shikibuton. There’s something so simple and childlike about it 💜
I’ve been sleeping on the floor for about 7 years, and I made the switch to a tatami mat about 5 years ago. I will never go back to a regular bed! I even sleep on the floor when I stay in hotels. My posture, energy, joint health, etc have all vastly improved from giving up traditional western mattresses.
I've noticed when sleeping in my bed on my thick mattress my back is essentially locked up upon waking. Been sleeping on my harder couch and back feels better. Been looking into futons due to your old video on sleeping on the floor.
I tried sleeping on a floor mattress for a couple of months and couldn't do it anymore. I woke up sore every morning and it actually made my back pain worse. I went back to a traditional mattress and sleep much better
i have been sleeping on a futon on top of a tatami mat since 2018. it just feels right for me. i have always slept on the floor. when i travel and i stay in hotels, i sleep on the floor.
i have a very small bedroom that I also use as my work space and lounge space, It is so nice to not have a bedframe occupy the little space I do have since this type of bed is v flexible with how we use spaces.
This is the first I have heard of this. Recently learning Japanese I feel like this might be something I look into for the future !!!! Hopefully there are no huge price jumps because of new found demand by then hahaha cheers for sharing Cheers!!!!!
I broke my neck and jaw 22 years ago, and I’ve been sleeping on the floor for over a decade now. I used to live in Korea, and I always admired their amazing postures, and when I couldn’t sleep in a bed without feeling all of the little stabilizer muscles in my spine, ribs, and stomach working all night long, I remembered that Koreans slept on the floor. So I got out of bed, and slept right on the floor. Then I got a bed roll and have been sleeping on it ever since.
I just want to add to the conversation and play devil’s advocate. Having a mattress laying on a hard, cold floor can lead to mold growth!! This happened to me. Sometimes you need airflow under that mattress. He covers this toward the end of the video. Much love. Take care.
The aesthetics of you sleeping on a futon in Japanese is beautiful. When you sleep on your futon at home, however, your bedroom looks like a poor college student. It's not easy to make a futon in a bedroom look good and inviting.
That's probably a socially trained imperial core / "western" perception. Once in other countries, especially Asian, this isn't considered or felt uninviting. A traditional Japanese Ryokan for example, can be minimalistic to western minds, but has very pleasant aesthetics and is very inviting. But maybe that's just my opinion;)
@@yt_n-c0de-r My comment is more of a damnation on cheap housing, made with drywall and wall-to-wall polyester carpeting. A futon on the floor in these cookie-cutter spaces looks low rent. There's a way in the West to use a futon beautifully but few people know how to do so. A great example is to Google search: Donald Judd 101 Spring Street
i used to sleep on the floor as a kid/teenager on foam my grandfather had from his days working as on upholstery for cars. i definitely have way more problems now with my current bed than i would while sleeping on the floor. I really want the setup you have but i just dont have the money for it. I have no problem going back to sleeping on the floor although i bet people who come over will find it funny at first until they see the benefits. Im all for changing things that are "normal" in a culture for no reason. almost everything we are sold day to day isnt really "for our benefit." So many aspects of life to learn about and im glad i found this video.
As someone who grew up in Japan, lived here all my life from 55 years ago, and spent much of that time sleeping on futons, I found it quite ironic that you thought it hard to find space in your small rooms with your futons, and yet never once mentioned one of the prime reasons Japanese created and use futons: to fold up and store in the “oshiire” (futon closet) during the day, to open up the floor space. Traditionally, Japanese homes were quite small, and rooms were multi-use, to make the best use of the limited space.
I also agree that there is probably a lot of benefit from being on the floor itself. Unfortunately, there are also centipedes and mice that crawl around on the floor, haha. I got a basic 12" high wood platform bedframe from amazon and put a tatami mat and japanese style futon on top.
i sleep on a mattress on a slatted frame on the ground, and thought about getting a Futon, but read you are supposed to let it "air out" every day, Tatami mats or not, and thats why i couldn't bring myself to buy a Futon. Saw videos where people dragged it on the balcony and whatnot, and that seems 2 much hassle for me.
I don't air mine out. My house is poorly insulated and my bedroom is the coldest room in the house. I have s wiol rug, then tatami mat, with a 2" foam pad and a covered futon on that. When it got really cold, I put a thick wool blanket on top of the futon. When I frst started doing this, I would fold it up and remake it every night.
There is a growing market for traditional materials in Netherlands especially when it comes to beds and sheets, just wool and fine-woven cotton are better than polyester. I really hope to make a difference by having worked in a furniture shop. The more natural the better should be the mindset, not maximising profit of the chemical industry.🤗 As a child I slept on the floor and now due to my disability I have to use a lifted bed sadly. I feel ashamed. The futons are within my budget also ! Not really more expensive than westernized beds.
I've been sleeping on the floor for 8 months - tatami + genuine shikibuton from Japan. Sadly it has not worked for me. I didn't have back issues prior but my goodness, some mornings I feel like I can't get up. My back and hips ache so much. I only weigh 57kgs. I thought my body would adjust but it just seems to get worse. I've ordered a bed and I cannot wait for its arrival.
Thank you for this comprehensive account on the subject. My son, now 42, has suffered back problems practically all his adult life. He has a bulging disc and recently suggested a tatami mattress might help. I slept on one for about seven months when I lived in Japan and took to them immediately. I'm trying to find the authentic article here in the UK. Seems I'm gonna need to get the mat too
I slept on the concrete during the recent Houston power outage I slept few hours but felt more rested than the last 6 years of sleeping on my mattress.
Good luck! If that's too firm, (keep in mind it takes some time to adjust) give the shikibuton a try. It's the perfect amount of cushion (surprisingly soft) but still very firm
I had a very similar, if not identical, alarm clock to yours. Just wanted to point out that it had the highest and most extensive EMF levels I've ever measured in any home device.
I do think that’s the main reason beds developed. But in Japan mould is a huge issue due to the humidity so it’s important you can actually wash the whole “bed” so to speak, or at least hang it to beat the dust. So in that sense futons are more hygienic. But definitely critters are the reason beds were developed. So Japan had to make a choice. Also their use of space , futons are folded up and put away so you can use the space for something else.
Great video. When I lived in San Francisco, I had two large walk in closets. In one closet I had a futon mattress that fit in the closet perfectly and I slept like that and had great ...some of the best sleep I have had. Esp if I wanted a blackout sleep I could close the doors. When I have slept in super cushy beds it takes me a long time to fall asleep....plus evening being on what I have not is raised bed but futon mattress but low and also find it is much easier to do any exercises in bed. In a soft bed it is much hard if you are always sinking like a ship LOL. Even as a kid I would often sleep on the floor and my Mom would fuss asking why when I have my own bed. As an athlete as a kid and into the teens I felt so much better actually sleeping on the floor, mind you this was carpet no just hardwood and would put blankets down.
Yea dude, I built a tatami platform in my bedroom (lots of storage underneath, and got a thin futon mattress 3 years ago. My back has never been better, and the natural smell of the tatami is amazing.
what advantages do the tatami mats bring? i built myself a bed with the normal wooden slatted frame, close enough so it feels like a solid surface. but the main thing i wanted to achieve with this is that it is aired out automatically so i dont have to carry it outside every week
The tatami mats are the traditional "thing" to put the shikibutons on. They are meant to allow the futon to breath and prevent mold and moisture. So if you're worried about mold, I would recommend them. although you can def do without one, just having to be more mindful about airing it out in the sun and ensuring it's moisture free. Do not buy amazon tatami mats, they are a scam. Tatami mats are suppose to be thick, and there's a specific way in which they are made for them to work properly. The ones in my description are the ones I use and are authentic from Japan, tatami mats. Basically just look for thick, handmade ones that are authentic.
I’m going to Japan and staying in a traditional home at the end of the year, I hope it’s comfy! I have always found firm mattresses extremely uncomfortable and I’ll wake up all though the night. I have a memory foam mattress and I sleep 9-10 hours without waking up 😆
♥♥♥ Dude, you are so right! 20 years ago I bought a new bed frame and mattress that made me very sick for a year and nearly fkn killed me! At age 67, I am floor sleeping and out of bed hell. Yes... tatami + thin futon is great. I currently sleep on a persian rug ( on hard wood floor ) and kinda like that.
I 100% believe this video, because when I sleep on my ThermaRest while camping, I get a lot more restful sleep that my memory foam mattress at home. My son and I 'practiced' camping a couple of times before I took him out for the first time, and sleeping in my sleeping bag with my Thermarest on my tile floor was still the same result. Our first four day camping trip together, and I've never felt that rested in all my 37 years.
wouldn't ditching the bed frame save space, since you can just roll up the shikibuton during the day / hang it up to dry, and set the tatamis against a wall to dry also. essentially putting the bed away for the day
It certainly sounds good, but saying things are chemical free is incredibly misleading as everything is a chemical. I liked when you talked about specific cases such as the wood fibre or cotton.
I sleep with my mattress on the floor and I do love it. And I do have a Japanese twin XL futon but it’s too short to handle my back so I’m gonna be picking up a 6 inch twin XL foldable memory foam to go on top of the Japanese twin futon so I can have my definitive floor bed.
I bought a 3 inch 3 months ago, and was having trouble with it. I'm a side sleeper. After a month, I ended up putting it on top of the mattress. Any suggestions for side sleepers? Maybe I should try a 6 inch?
Great video Cade. I am ordering the shikibuton right now. Can you share links to your comforter and blanket if you remember? I would assume they are organic cotton. I am having trouble finding good organic options for these online (that I like).
Second night of floor sleeping. Threw out my bed yesterday. Got around four hours of sleep (again), but despite that I actually feel pretty darn good, even though I normally need at least six hours to function properly.
The big faq question ya didn’t answer? Since it’s cotton, What about for times when it gets sweaty in bed or between the sheets? How often do you move your futon around? How often do you hang it? Do ya hang it on 2 chairs to let it air out? Great videos tho! Seriously considering to get it, especially because there seems to be a big discount.
If you find a proper futon expensive, buy a massive 4-season wool blanket and fold it double. I have done this with 2 different Lits Jumeaux (220x240 cm) 4-seazon blankets, for under 200 euro's each, the thinest futon is around 4 cm, standard is around 7 cm I believe, and folded doudble these wool blankets are between 4 - 7 cm.
I'm interested in this because I've been seeing so much positive anecdotal evidence on RU-vid but when I look up any study done on it there's only evidence for modern mattresses offering better support for the contours of your body. Wondering what other people have found.
I’ve sLeeped on floor for a long time now, i have no couch, t.v. Or easychair. Or kitchen table. I real don’t give a fk what other people say. Its your life, I suggest you live it any way the hell you want to!
I bought my first Shikibuton 12 years ago for all the reasons you did. My kids all got theirs shortly after. Anyone who has slept on our beds love them and say they wake up less stiff or sore than in western beds. I hate sleeping in hotels 😒
just to add my experience I had to sleep in a house that had no bed so I grabbed a thick comforter and slept on it that night. When I woke up, I wasn't tired and half-awake. It was noticeable. 10s after opening my eyes I felt "ok I'm good" still wondering how to convert my wife though.
I've bought one abo it a year ago now, several months later I gave it to my boyfriend and I started just sleeping on a matt and rug on my wood floor 😅😇
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Dude I thought I was the only crazy one, I started sleeping on the floor as a special thing to escape the routine, but I ended up relying on a makeshift bed more permanently. All because of the falling of a regular bed as an unpleasant occurrence, not that I ever fell that I can think of but whilst sleeping and moving close to edge and waking up to that semi falling sensation was awful. And I’ve never slept as comfortably as I do now close to the floor.
Cade, love your videos. I have a question…..I looked up the shikibuton you have and it says it is soft, but you recommend a firm mattress. I am looking for a firm mattress, any suggestions?
