This reminds me of why I sold my Toyota for a Rolls Royce. IT is just a better car overall. I love the hand built quality of a nice British car. I love the RR emblem staying still while the wheels are turning. I love the lamb wool carpets. The umbrella inside the door etc etc. in the end the Toyota driving experience did not do it for me. Nothing wrong with that. It just was not for me. Even though the car rarely ever had any issues , I just love the feel of driving a Rolls Royce.
@@ufukkiblat I see this as more a comparison between the ZF and the M10 being the best companion with his M6. In this case the M10 is a no brainer. I run a M6 and M9 together and you can pick either one up and it's seamless. As oppose to picking up a fujifilm xpro 3 which requires a bit of adjustment in shooting style.
@@ufukkiblatSome people consider it a luxury item but for photographers the M10 is a pro camera built to last, still using my M10 cameras for work 6 years on without any issue
I tried the x100v when it came out for 2 days and returned it cause in my heart I actually wanted a Leica. Now I run an m6, m10, m10m and the way they all just feel like a seamless experience between one another really just does it for me.
I have the ZF and an m10m. I must say m glass on the ZF is so fun. Especially with focus trap. The colors, micro contrast that Leica glass offers on a ZF is pretty amazing. As well as being able to have autofocus for the occasional need is really nice. I actually think the ZF compliments someone who also own Leica m cameras really well.
All of this! I had a M-D but wanted the modern sensor of an M10 for street and also the fast capabilities of the SL2S for studio work ect. The ZF fits allllll of my needs. Put an M on for street and put a modern lens on when I need autofocus or studio work ect. It’s amazing.
Hi Coop. I’ve been seeing your videos right now from your channel’s inception. Glad to see you came back full circle. I’d appreciate actually would love to see you doing a video on how you edit those M10 files to your preference and how you work your way around the M10 limitations. Take care , be well and thank you
Thanks for watching for all these years! Yeah sure I can do a video like that. Aside from autofocus I don’t think the M10 has any limitations personally
I bought an M10 for my street photography earlier this year. Absolutely beautiful and brilliant camera and now that I shoot without the screen for the most part it makes the experience even more engaging. Good job on the video 👍🏾
Interesting! I have the ZF and an M11. There’s no way the M camera feels better in the hands. It’s heavy and slimmer and even more slippery than the ZF!!
I prefer an X-Pro3 (exclusively use the OVF) for similar reasons. I've been enticed by Leica's, but they're just so expensive and I and actually appreciate having autofocus for those chaotic situations when taking photos of people.
Hey Coop somehow I stumbled across your channel. It is a very interesting take from you as I went from selling the M240 and going for the Nikon ZF with the Voigtlader APO 50mm lens as my primary driver. My M240 was definitely more fun compared to the ZF but the low light performance + the prohibitive cost nature of the M10/M11 made me think the ZF was a good compromise. Well articulated from your side from Cronulla.
Cheer mate. Personally I think low light performance gets given to much focus these days. The M10 is fine colour wise at 1600 and at 3200 I convert to black and white. Any higher and I would be useikt a flash
Thank you very much for this interesting video. I am a Leica photographer for 30 years using M6, M8 and MP240. I was thinking purchasing the Zf for some reasons but never used autofocus (my eyes quality are going down with age). I tried in the shop and really hate the electronic view finder (like you said), the lag etc. I also hate the system to choose for me where to focus etc. My question is, do we get use to the EVF with time? Did one of you used the Zf off road in war zones or in the bush? Again thank you so much! T
I have SONY , A73 and the A7r2 ; the electronic viewfinder is great for punching in on focus , but I like the MA and M3 I have then there are the better bigger screens , the ROLLEI 55 F4 and the 75 F3.5 , these are TLR or " belly button " cameras. They take superb images , and that screen is wonderful for my 63 year old eyes. I also have 4x5 in film , no 8x10 yet.
I don't believe he even bought it, I'm bad with money but jeez selling it only after a week,!? Don't buy it. Plus the negative he mentions are things you would have figured out before purchase... Finally if you only had it for a week . A why no video!? B. You could have just returned it... I smell a rat
He wants views. He gets it. There. That’s all. Don’t read into these . Stick to the reputable channels for reviews. This is not a review. It is an opinion. He has every right for his. It is his channel. As a consumer, the onus of making the right decision for you is squarely on you.
Have you tried the EVF on the Leica SL2? The only EVF I actually enjoy to use. Big natural view experience. And very fast and easy to zoom in to make a fine check, if needed.
You actually hit all of the dislikes of the Nikon Z line that I have. I had the Z fc and Z 5 but sold them off to stay with my Nikon film and digital bodies. In the meantime, I picked up the Leica M11 and LOVE it. I still have the Fujifilm X100F, which is the only camera that I have with an EVF. I find it fine for how I use it. Sadly, it mostly sits on the shelf, but I am having issues with letting it go. Nice video, BTW.
Sorry your experience was not what you wanted. I love my Zf. Its so F3 like, muscle memory had my thumb feeling for the film advance. I use the lenses from my M3, MX, F3 on it as well my large 80-200 & 28-70 AF s ED metal monsters. I find the camera a breeze to hold and the 100% punch in straight to the eye when MF on the old lenses is fantastic. Just goes to show there is no such thing as the perfect camera - there's only the prefect camera for you.
Hi Coop. Great video, new subscriber here. I think the M10 is probably a great camera but my wife would divorce me for making such a purchase. I disagree with you on the weight of the zf, I bought one and love it. It is lighter than my Nikon F3hp that I use regularly. I use a voigtlander 50mm F1.0 Noct on my Zf, it’s a great combo. Keep up yhe great videos!
I was a little surprised to hear about his issue with the ergonomics. I expect the ZF handling to be a problem with long lenses, but with smaller lenses, especially Leica M ones, it's definitely better. I thought I'd buy the grip, but it works fine as is. I never tried a Leica, so I can't comment on that, but by the look, it's confusing to hear that it works better than the ZF when on the Leica there isn't even the little protrusion grip that ZF has. Even the weight isn't a huge difference. But the handling of a camera is something quite personal and everyone reacts differently. The other complaint I wouldn't have expected is the manual focus. The ZF is the first camera that allows subject detection with any manual lens. That alone, is helping tremendously. You also get focus confirmation when using lenses with electronic contacts.
I fully understand your points. I have a Nikon ZF and a Leica M10 and I believe I will keep the M10. Nikon is quite hyped now but I never "fell in love" taking it in my hands - complicated menus, awkward button layout, unusually heavy and totally not the "whow" I expected... For ease of use, I might get a Fuji X-T1 in case I need autofocus... Besides, it would just hurt too much to let an M10 go ...
With the TT artisan 6 bit adapter and Leica lenses, the ZF is a good as and as easy to shoot as a Leica. Without the 6 bit i agree that evf is that great.
Did I say that? I just meant Nikon crammed a lot of new tech into it. The new Fuji XH cams are probably just as capable, just depends if you want a crop sensor or full frame
That ZF stole a lot of Fuji users away for sure. It really is the body a lot of them have been asking for all along. I can't get into the Z designs, any of them. I shot the D70 through D500 and loved them at the time. The Z... just no. It's like holding an old laptop charger or something. Once you go M though, it's hard to be happy on other systems again. There are times where other bodies are necessary obviously... but it never feels the same. Any time I pick up another camera, I can't wait to get back home to my Leicas. I know people feel the same for their Sony, or Fuji, or Nikon, etc. Totally cool, happy for anyone who finds the right kit for themselves!
G'day from the east. A few weeks ago I was at Jervis Bay using my XH2S and then ext day my eye hurt like crazy. I'm convinced it was the EVF. I bought a Canon 6D a year ago so I'm starting to use that and I really get what you mean about OVF's. I have had the Fuji X100V but as a left-eye dominant I'm not convinced I like rangefinder styled cameras. I have a Canon R5 and the EVF experience is first class so they're not down and out.
Either RU-vid is giving you a ton on money or you got 8 promotions last month. Love the look and manual feel of the M10 but the price was a stake in the heart. Maybe if I sell a lung for $10000..
Thanks for the comparison. I had hoped you might say a word about how the Zf compared to the Nikon film cameras such as the FM2 on which it is supposed to be modelled. Your comments on the ergonomics makes me think it is not actually like an FM2 or an FE in feel. Cheers.
@@shootswithcoops I have owned several aprats such as the Pentax KM praktica AB or the ML1000 Minolta 7000. and the Zf and it holds exactly the same or even better because it is wider. This argument that the Zf holds less well is only a justification for the decision to change equipment. Nikon is not a funnel and will never be a funnel; Nikon users should be happy with the Zf.
The camera is great but ergonomic sucks. My left wrist is killing me when I use ZF with a 24-120 4f S . I haven't tried another lens but to be honest I'm not pleased at all.
You should have bought a Nikon Df. It'll give you what you want. As to the weight of the Zf you get use to it. I'm 72 and I don't have a problem with it. I did put some Dragon Grips on it but I do that with all of my cameras.
@@shootswithcoops it has the D4 sensor. I was fortunate to find it on eBay from someone who was selling it just because they didn’t want it anymore. The Df in the US is generally not highly thought of.
50 grams of weight might make a difference, but I don't think so. Not everyone likes an electronic viewfinder and that's a good argument for a change. And a chief is a chief is nothing to argue about.
Interesting comparison. I am glad that the you-tube feed decided to recommend this presentation to me. Thanks! I reckon that it is inevitable that I will buy a Zf, perhaps as soon as 2024, though my wife, as the senior photographer, will have first priority, if she likes it. She was the persuader, who finally got me to start wanting to carry an interchangeable-lens system camera, and then the mentor who guided my early path into serious photography, starting in 2009. I added the Leica M system in early 2018, starting with a pre-owned M lens and a new M10, after a modest, one-time financial windfall. Neither of us have upgraded since 2018, when when my wife and then I added D850 cameras, and we then added a Z6, for her.
Didn’t you know the ZF didn’t have an optical view finder before you purchased it? I’m asking because you brought up this point several times, that you prefer optical to electronic view finders.
I would suggested if people can't afford this camera a Fujifilm x Pro 2 would give a very similar experience possibly an xt3 as well from Fujifilm as well these both these cameras are very affordable and we'll give you much better bang for Buck in terms of lenses
Interesting. I have thoughts, but I'm going to sleep on them for a bit. You've come a long way from selling all your cameras to doing a ZF v. M10 comp. Times must be good. I don't wish anything less than that for you and I'm psyched, but, coop, really? I give you 9 months, as much as a child to be born, to sell your M10. Prove me wrong.
@@shootswithcoops I know you like a challenge. To be fair, I have faithfully devoted myself through unspeakable vows to my M3 and FMN2 for decades and have never shot digital. So, I put this on you, young skywalker. Because if I were to ever buy a digital camera, it would be a ZfII with an optical viewfinder, and focus assist for my old amazing Neeekon lenses, including my leica glass. Thanks brother for going through the pain before me.
@@MakersTeleMark There is focus assist (with eye recognition) including old glass on the Zf, by the way. But... weight, handling, plastic finish primes, and that ugly hinge on the back --> Nikon, bring back my FE2, please 😠
If you know you dont like evf to begin with then why even bother buying the zf in the first place, i really dont get it. I know you needed to make RU-vid content but the reason for switching to leica is really stupid. But i guess you bought the zf so you can make video like this 😂
having 10k - 20k on your shoulder to shoot photographs for fun is some insanely privileged shit.... though damn wish could own one without being hyper paranoid about it
Without gear respect the Fujifilm xt5 is a much better camera and I've held both cameras in my hands and I own a Fujifilm. I also own a Nikon d850 and a GFX camera as well 50s ii... I just think 26 megapixels is laughable.
Yeah no clue what you’re talking about. I had a gfx100s and get better output with my Leica sl2 which is half the resolution. Can’t beat Leica glass man.
I just don't understand why you'd make a retro camera with a video Centric screen .. 26 megapixels it doesn't give you much room to crop either crop photos when we maybe are walking around with one lens we are going to need to crop at 26 megapixels it's not much cropping ability
Cropping is over used, IMO you never need much more than 20 megapixels. Even for large prints. I've got a 40 mp Sony but mainly use my 26 mp Fuji. Use the right lens for the right job, take your time and get the shot right and you don't need to crop. If you are cropping more than 10% you are using the wrong lens. If after all that you need a violent crop then Lightroom super resolution.
@@shootswithcoops I don't understand about the flip out screen either. That's just stupid everyone hates them except for video people so have they made a camera for video or they have they made a camera for Photography I guarantee you and I do a lot of photography. I'm a professional photographer I teach Photography and I would not pass this camera to a student. It's heavy it's bulky Street cameras are meant to be discreet and small. I'm sure the bill quality and the image quality is good out of this camera but they've missed the boat again. I actually believe they needed to make another crop sensor ZF camera. But make it with 35 megapixels and make it light and small. Why do you think Fujifilm has been so successful? It's because their cameras are small and portable duh
The Zf is nice but it's lacking the tactile feeling as the Leica. The best thing about Leica is its laundry list of very compact lenses especially those collapsible M39 mount ones. I can carry a ME240 and MP in one Peak Design 3L sling bag. I just can't do that with any other full frame cameras. The M shooting style and handling are way different from the Zf of course. Having owning the Zf for a couple of weeks, I think it's a great retro-looking camera. It actually pairs well with some of my Leica/Zeiss/Voigtlander lenses. However, it 's significantly larger than the Leica M body. I would say, they are two different beasts for different purposes. I wouldn't keep the Leica as my main camera. There are so many things that it cannot do or cannot do well. The Leica is a luxury item. Are you going to get Visoflex2?
Leica is nice but it’s missing auto focus, video feature, EVF, IBIS, weather sealing, very fast burst rate, fast processor, many more…all that for 3 times the price of a ZF.
Good points, people forget also how Big and chunky all the Nikon Z lenses are. No visoflex for me, I tired one years ago and didn’t like the delay that it has
Did you also managed to invest 15.000 USD in Leica lenses , at least for the 3 main lenses someone would need 28mm Elmarit, 50mm Summicron and 90mm Elmarit. and these are the lowest level you can get. you can also decide to buy voigtlander but thats not the real experience to get the Leica colours , I tried them all
RU-vid vloggers are very wasteful, irresponsible people. A freaking week. And you know that camera goes into the refurb, second-hand pile. In the age of the Internet, who can't research all they want about a camera before making a decision. Or if you really need to be sure, rent it first.
