"we are accountable for each one of those pellets and filling the air with led and hoping for the best is not an acceptable home defense strategy". This is the reason why I tend to consider this channel one of the most intelligent and formative on RU-vid.
There’s an old saying. In the house a shotgun is a rifle. And knowledgeable gun people know what that means. At ten feet we’re looking at a spread of 3”. 6” at 20 feet. Don’t know how big your house is but that’s the limit for most. Outside on the lawn well that’s different on many levels. There’s actually a shotgun laser that projects the very approximate size at the proper distance of the spread. Very cool. And as a good scatter gunner knows there are always strays. I know of people being struck with small shot laterally standing at distance but equal to the end of the barrel. That all being said I I own like 5 Shockwaves and the Short Shorty 10” AOW. Can’t get enough of a great gun.
@@whereswaldo5740 I never heard that phrase, but it's very true. I had a full sized modified choke Mossberg that would make one big hole in a target at 10 yards.
Thanks for all that you do, Chris! It always makes my day when you release a new LG video! Your succinct, no nonsense info, and your willingness to reevaluate your opinion over time make this my favorite firearms channel on RU-vid. Not to mention your willingness to evaluate and cover some great firearms that don't fall into everyone else's 'standard doctrine' for the 21st century. Keep up the good work! 🍀
Thats what i've been saying...Way more effective against bears and people than ANY handgun but still pack-able. I think with some ingenuity, you could even rig it so it rides on the side of your pack in some sort of "holster" and is nearly as accessible as a handgun on the waist belt of the pack would be. I'm thinking have it muzzle down in some sort of scabbard slung cross draw under the arm similar to the position that the Kifaru gun bearer carries your rifle in.
Um, they look badass, but unless you’ve got it rigged up under the faro table (a la Wyatt Earp in Tombstone) I still don’t get why you wouldn’t just go with a stock and not have to come up with new and exciting stockless yoga techniques to justify their use…
I don't see the point as a home defense gun (other than a convenient platform to build a SBS out of) but it'd be great for bear country. Lighter and more compact than a full size shotgun/rifle, shoots it just as well, still way more effective than any handgun. Good against two legged predators in the back country too. Survival gun would be another use. Very capable against humans, good for hunting small and large game, small and pack-able size, and extremely plentiful ammo. Half the houses in the country will have a box of 12 ga on a shelf. Not necessarily the case for 9mm or 5.56
@@gsp8489 So, you wouldn't use it to protect yourself from a crack head but you'd use it to protect yourself from a charging grizzly? I'm not understanding your point.
@@cntrshot1 I believe his point is that a home defense gun doesn't need to be carried and as such the reduced size and weight are less beneficial in that context compared to hiking around with a smaller gun that's easier to ruck with.
What got me on stockless guns was my old 1300 defender that I wish I still had. After holdin forward during the initial shot almost exaggerated the recoil to point slightly higher up to perform a pump in almost a rolling motion bringin the sightbead down on my target with a kinda intentionally thrusting motion towards the end to lock my forearms taught. Got a stocked sxp defender now which holds one less in the tube since import tariffs,and bought stocked so havent looked up the legalities on goin pistol grip pumpy. Just know not as fast as used to be when I practiced that " As seen on T.V. rock and chop" motion with my old gun at 18 3/4 barrel and a longer tube with a full 3 way magtube picattiny bracket,and my 3 aa maglight I attached to it v.s. my new lightweight(even the polymer feels lighter) Sxp with a single bracket tube pic with a 3 aaa (as seen on t.v.)taclight clone on it. A little forward ballast goes a long way and practice certainly counts with pistol or birdshead scattering guns.
My wife bought me a Shockwave in 12ga for Christmas, haven't been to the range with it yet, and was considering a red dot, and shootin from the hip, but going to give that cheek thing a try.
I hope you get a chance to revisit the laser equipped shockwave. I am interested in that concept. specifically I want to know if one could be fired from a "high pectoral index" like Southnarc advocates for a handgun retention position. I think having the firearm higher on the body than the hip might make aligning the laser with the target quicker, and having the weapon braced against the chest should, in theory, lead to better recoil control. Unfortunately I do not have one to play around with the concept yet.
You know the internet is full of trolls. Most of the people who criticized you on your last birdhead shot gun review are like to have argued regardless if they agreed with you. It is easier to criticize a negative review because it is easier to say it is user error. Keep up the great content and dont take the trolling too serious.
@@KennethSchmitt dude I looked around all the academys, bass pro shops, cabellas, NOTHIN! I pop into my local gun shop 1000 feet from my apt, and I found one. Shop probably had a 100 guns at the time (maybe less), and the had exactly what I was looking for (retrograde shockwave 12 gauge). They got it one or two days before…
Your willingness to adjust your opinion after being presented with new information is one of the reasons I have a lot of respect for you Chris even if I don't always agree with your conclusions. Cheers!
@@LuckyGunner I've got 2. One in 410, one in 20ga. I've never shot with a lanyard on the birdhead. I use a similar technique though by turning the gun at 11 o'clock instead of 12, and putting the back of my wrist on my jawline. It works awesome with the 410, but not sure I'd want to do it with a 12
Your objectivity and honest experience is what keeps your subscribers and viewers coming back. Thanks for sharing your time behind the trigger with these short and uglies!
The Tac-13 with a brace, and get rid of the vent rib would be the best thing out there IMO. The fact that Mossberg hasn’t developed a birds head/braced firearm based on their semiauto platform already is moronic to the point of fiscal irresponsibility. But, seeing as they can no longer make a base model pump gun that won’t break, maybe it’s best they don’t. Personally, I’ve never been a fan of the Mossberg style guns, the pump has always felt cheap and janky, the load gates felt awkward, and the action just didn’t feel as smooth as even a crappy era 870 Express. My preference in a pump will probably always be a toss up between the Winchester and the 870. I have a 120 Ranger in 20ga that’s been a go to gun for a very long time now, approaching 30 years, literally the first firearm I ever purchased at the age of 10.
Agreed in general, but this review is a horrid 50/50 wash. There is so much back and forth b/n “I like / I don’t like” that after the third cycle I HAVE NO IDEA what to think about this thing anymore. I get stronger direction when asking my gf what she wants from Starbucks, and there is some wisdom in that…
@@bb5242one shot will drop your target. It won't be a prolonged event like with handguns (based on statistics). A slug will still kill even if it's hitting body armor
Dang I'm early. Say what you will about stockless shotguns though, they're cool af. When you reach the pearly gates, you'll have extra points for looking snaggy.
The Shockwave in 20ga is the sweet spot. More controllable and still very effective. If Mossberg ever comes out with a 930 version like the Remington Tac series, I’m all over it.
If you load mini shells for the 12 guage it's going to have less recoil while still having the same effectiveness. You also get a bonus of more shells in the tube. Just something to consider, as I figured such a small firearm would be more suited for them.
If you can take the recoil, the 12ga is a no-brainer, but women, children and the elderly can all benefit from the 20ga version. I load a .575 cal ball round in 20ga that gets over 1600fps. Also have a 20 pellet #4 Buck round that goes over 1400fps.
These things sure do fly off the shelves. They can’t keep them in stock anywhere here in Charlotte. Just goes to show you, firearms have a VERY subjective quality to them.
@@kevo875k nice! Was in Academy last night (Matthews location) and they had a 590 in the case. Don’t believe I’ve seen the s in stock yet there in person. I was dead set on getting one but then changed mind.
@@Matt-ki6tw 🤣🤣 I had called Matthews location first but they were out so I ended up getting the s model from the academy sports in Kannapolis.. check them out
@@kevo875k yeah, they seem to get a lot more up that way or too many people hitting the Matthew’s store. I’m about 4 miles from that one but back towards downtown. Too lazy to drive up to concord/kannapolis.
Much appreciate your insights into making these kinds of shotguns a little bit usable. Practically speaking, looks like the old police riot gun like every police cruiser had for decades is still an easy, reliable path to learn shotgun self-defense.
I looked hard at the Shockwave, but took a pass. Some of my thinking was based on your infamous review of a few years back. The other was that I found that the Youth version of the Maverick 88 gave me all the benefits of the shockwave AND all the benefits of having a stock.
@@robertfrapples2472 This is where my interest were peaked, maneuverability in vehicles and the fact that non large capacity long guns are treated differently in MA as far as where how it's stored. The gray area is that these are technically not long guns but still legal in MA and as long as they meet the capacity definition of non large capacity can literally be tossed in the back seat.
@Floyd Teter What are the benefits of having a stock in a close quarters defense scenario? It's not like a rifle, you don't have to align sights, they call them scatter guns for a reason. This is meant as a close quarters defensive tool. In the home you shoot them from the hip, NOT from eye level! It takes a bit of practice but, yes, you can learn quickly how to point shoot them. I know, I have a pistol gripped Remington 870 with an 18" barrel. It is MUCH more maneuverable and even easier to use than a handgun for getting projectiles on target. Yes, I have had to use it for personal defense. Luckily I never tripped the sear, just the sight of the big hole in the end was convincing!
Lucky Gunner ☘️ or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Shockwave 😁 A nice follow-up video, but I still think your first take as pretty spot on.
I believe his first video was pretty spot on. Jerry Miculeck did a video basically stating they're ok at close range and with laser(not red dot) making hip shots more accurate
@@the_weed_in_your_garden9319 Exactly. This firearm was never meant for shooting ducks or skeet! It is meant for close quarters only and for that it is hard to beat. There are a lot of projectiles in a 3" 00 buck load, only one in a handgun and fairly low energy to boot. 00 buck is also much less likely to penetrate walls. If you can afford to have a focused use tool then this one (or one like it, for instance, my Remington 870 with a pistol grip and short barrel) is the thing to get. At least with my Remington I can put on a regular barrel, full stock and standard magazine in about 10 minutes and go duck or deer hunting.
I would have called this, "Why the Shockwave is a little less useless than I used to think." I still can't envision any scenario in which some other firearm wouldn't be better.
Deployment of force while inside a vehicle. Literally the only thing that I've seen and very compelling at that. In my home state of MA this would be able to be stored inside the vehicle where an AR or similar would have to be stored in a locked case unloaded and if available in the trunk.
My house is old tiny and cramped. Much better for me than a full length stock and barrel. Always keep my 9mm shield one me at home but if given the choice I wanna 12 gauge. The shockwave is great for room clearing in my house. I have had two break ins (both took off as soon as they realized I was home, thank god.)
@@nicholaslittlefield4424 shotguns with stocks are more maneuverable in tighter spaces than shotguns without stocks. If you're not in a car, a shotgun with a stock is kept closer to the body and protrudes less than a shotgun that only has a pistol or birds head grip.
@@djzacmaniac kept closer to the body sure but If I have to raise that barrel that is simply almost impossible on some corners with a full stock where as the shockwave I can at least point it at the dude. Albeit incorrectly but fuck it. I'd rather hurt my self a bit if I had to shoot so long as the barrel is on target.
From what I hear, the shockwave is awesome with a brace that you can sometimes..wink wink… shoulder…. I don’t know though just something I’ve heard. On a side note, I run mossberg 590 shockwave with the opsol mini shell adaptor (works perfectly by the way) with the short shell 3/4 oz slugs and or their buckshot. It works great, about the same recoil as low recoil buckshot in a 2” variety which I also use. Would love to see ballistic gel test with the mini shell slugs / buckshot. Thanks for the great content.
These are purpose built tools for close in / close quarters / mauverability situations. Home defense, car / truck highjacking, camping / hiking defense and the like. The Remington semi auto version is a formidable self defense tool, for the purposes noted. Anything within 20 yards (10 yards even better) is going to have a very bad day. Like any other tool, you must know its intended use, and become proficient with it. Its sad that internet self appointed gun snobs have to push their oppinions on everyone else. If you don't like it, don't use it, simple enough. I remember the days when someone would say something to your face, and you would aptly reply, shut the f**k up.
I chose the 590 for 2 reasons. Remington sucked when I bought mine. And having been in a life and death fight with my 870 in hand, I found it very difficult to find the safety in my sleep deprived state. Mind you I have been hunting with my 870 for nearly 40 years. I wanted a very short gun for close quarters, the 590 fits the bill and the safety is right on top. I did modify mine with a recoil strap, a green bead and an improved safety button. I find it very comfortable to shoot and can fire from the hip about as well as eye level. I have it, with the hopes I never have to touch it off, in my home or office.
I recommend the Aguila Mini Shells in the 00 Buck flavor for the "stockless shotguns." Recoil is less, while performance is present. I run the snot out of 'em in my Shockwave. On another note, I like that wood furniture on that shorty. It just looks classy. Those Tac-13's were WAY overpriced when they were released on the market. I rolled the dice and got a Black Aces for the auto version, simply due to price. It's a little more compact, but I'd trust the Shockwave more.
My thoughts exactly. The mini shells still hit hard enough for human aggressors, they run well in the Mossberg guns if you use the adapter block for the shell lifter, and you get more of them in the tube with less recoil than standard loads.
I saw your video years ago and I was ok with it. I have a 20 gauge shock wave and a pistol grip Mossberg 500. They both have green optic lasers and enjoy shooting them. The lase make them accurate and keeps it away from your face.
So rare finding someone on the web able to say "I've changed my opinion on the subject". Yours is one of the best channels, with concise and informative videos of professional quality, and you always separate fact from your opinion on the fact while keeping it all fun and interesting. Keep on the good work.
I've found that the Remington V3 tac 13 with an rmr can easily be shot from the side of the face with full power loads to great effect. It's almost like having a stock without the extra length. A red dot is paramount for the weapon system to work effectively as an aimed shotgun.
That's exactly why I got the Tac-13 over the Tac-14 or the Shockwave. The automatic action soaks up a fair amount of the recoil, plus the versaport system works very well. It's very unpicky about ammo for an automatic shotgun. That being said, I now want a 590S, any length will do. The S models feed shortie shells right from the factory. No adapter required, you can mix and match 1¾, 2¾ and 3" as you please.
Interesting, I thought the S was optimized for the leprechaun size shells primarily. This changes some things for me as I would much prefer the Tac-13, & really dislike Mossberg in general. But either, braced preferably, sounds great!
@@soonerfrac4611 Tac-13 can't run the shortie shells, but mine eats everything else without issue. It's among the most reliable guns I have. The only time it gets picky is if I try to feed it something specifically labeled low recoil, but I won't fault it for that. Any automatic shotgun is going to have a bottom limit to what it can cycle. Bottom line, if you go with a Tac-13 you won't regret it, assuming new Remington follows the formula of old Remington on this one. Despite all the problems they had, everything they made in their final years wasn't bad.
@@soonerfrac4611 you dislike Mossberg but love Remington, who has destroyed their own reputation and many brands they've monopolize. At least Mossbergs don't come factory new with rust
I think .410 would be the best caliber for a shockwave. Mossberg also offer one 590 in .410. Another low recoil option would be 12ga with minishells. I think they ave less recoil than 20ga. Recoil absorption with the cheek is not a good idea. Every "shockwave" will go into your brain. Also the muzzle and the noise come closer to your ears. Remember that you very likely wont have ear protections on if you have to use it in self defense.
Totally agree. A 410 loaded with buckshot would be almost an ideal home defense weapon for anyone. As for the cheek weld technique I remember reading that it was a common style for firelocks, but it tended to result in broken cheekbones if the shooter wasn't too careful.
Thanks for recommending Demonstrated Concepts' channel. Totally changed my perception on how well these weapons can work with the added recoil strap, side torch, a sight, and the birdshead grip cheek-weld technique. Semi-automatic over pump, too.
the new energy at the start of the videos is so weird. chris this must stop. next thing you'll be shouting "WHAT'S UP EVERYBODY!!! LIKE COMMENT SUBSCRIBE!!!" but you are the king so i guess you can do as you please and i'll still listen to your advice
i bought this almost as soon as it came out, even though several videos disliked it, like this one did 4 years ago. i knew its different and people hate new things. i love the shockwave, the size reduction and mobility is king. yes a longer shotgun and shouldering it helps alot, but being real, if shooting at a distance use a rife, in close area shotgun. the higher the mobility in tight spaces the better the shotgun. dont need a long barrel is your close range, and just have to hit first. thats the name of the game, since day one. quick draw, move fast. being able to shoot form the truck, side ways, and just carry it more comfortably is worth the trade off. if your shooting long range, yes the shockwave sucks, but your not buying it for that reason
I'd prefer a 20 gauge or a 410 and a shoulder stock add-on. That's enough power for in-home defense and has much less recoil. My opinion only....if we all liked the same thing, there'd only be 2 or 3 pistols available, and THAT would be HORRIBLE.
I saw Paul Harrell do a review with the Shockwave. Dude was strait out of the movies with his hip shot. After that, as far as I'm concerned, the Shockwave is good enough for an apocalypse and it's up to the user to match their skills.
I live in a camping trailer, real white trash stuff. Living in such a small box, something like this would be great. But as you can already assume.. I can not afford one lol
Grab a maverick 88. If you want it stockless to save space you can buy just the grip and install it yourself. Then it's even still a shotgun that can have the stock reinstalled later if you change your mind
@@frugalsoul9984 I actually got one of those. With the stock. It's a great shotgun! It just needs a sling on it and a light and I'll be set! But once I brought it in the trailer I realized it's probably not the best thing to be swinging around if trouble comes a knocking. So I bought a gen 5 Glock 17 with that stimulus money a while back and took one of those cheap nylon holsters and drilled it into the side of my bed. So now I keep the maverick in my closet and the loaded Glock on the side of my bed
I have a Remington 870 12 Ga with a pistol grip and 18" barrel (why fight the ATFE? and it gives me two extra rounds). It is not hard at all to fire from the hip and be on target, it only takes practice. Don't even try to raise it up to eye level, that's nuts! People (in my experience) always tend to hip shoot low at 10 to 15 yards so you must learn to "aim" a bit high. As far as stray pellets, these are meant for in home defense so we're talking five to seven yards maximum. Hard to miss and the pellets, if they penetrate walls, will not have much energy left. I have had to use it for defense outside the home, but the target was within ten feet. BTW: He lives, I didn't have to shoot him, he saw my finger start to take up slack on the trigger. Luckily for me (and him) I know my firearms very well and never tripped the sear. The thing is that a handgun is more dangerous inside a home unless you use frangible bullets. Handguns are also less effective at stopping someone, at least less effective than a load of 00 buck, especially in the 3" variety (not recommended, they HURT!). Using an AR15 or similar long gun is not practical inside of a home unless you've been highly trained in urban combat. Even then an M4 is much better suited than an M16 or AR. They have serious wall penetration issues! This sort of shotgun is much better suited for home defense than anything else and my ONLY concern is reliability. You're not going to use it to hunt ducks, deer or clays! So, look at its very narrow intended purpose, not as an all-purpose shotgun.
Classic Mossbergs are tanks. I just aced an LE shotgun course using a retired patrol 500 from the 80’s And that push/clench method is the way to go! Even with a stock! Everyone else was had sore shoulders and rattled teeth, while I was just fine.
bought mine for fun, made some custom paduak hardwood grips to pretty it up. if you shoot lefty dont add a shell carrier, your fingers will thank you later
The technique is really interesting but when comparing things in the light of actual self defense (not the tactical "self defense" seen very common now a days) where you need as little as possible hindering your perception, concentration all while extremely stressed out. I'd rather use a stock where almost anyone has almost an instinctincual way to use vs using a technique that looks extremely aquard to use and requires lots of trainig to use (probably far more training than any normal individual would do). Also in home defense you shouldn't be clearing your house, professionals who do it for a living don't ever want to do it alone so why would you. So the length of your shotgun isn't as important. Also folding stock shotgun have been around for decades so space storage requirements should really be an issue plus you still get a stock
@Anne Frank by handle you mean go around tight corners then I would agree with you (and if that's the case you should already know my stance on that) but if your just talking about shooting in general. In every way that doesn't make sense, they must really be novice or flusted to be on video to think holding and firing a gun just against your face is easier than using an actual stock especially when co considering actually aiming . Why don't you tell that to all the people who use pistol brace because we all know they aren't just using them like it was intended
@Anne Frank ya I get it your face is a point of reference like in archery you use it as an achor point for you to be able to use any optics. But logic and experience wise holding a gun and firing it is way harder than just having a stock the third point of contact isn't just used for and anchor point plus your whole shoulder is bracing the impact of the recoil over a large area vs having it all go through your hand only. Not to mention like I stated using a stock is almost instinctincual to everyone and gun length isn't an issue in reality not tactical fantasy of clearing your own house
@Anne Frank anything viable, sh.t i could find a way to do home defense with my black power guns if i wanted too, whether or not if it's practical for actual real life "home defensive" not cqb and other irrelevant tactical topics that looks cool and feels cool to play around doing but completely irrelevant in real life is what matters. And capacity isn't really that much of a problem when you actually look at the real data of self defense use.
To me the Shockwave was always a middle finger to SBS/SBR laws. And the main purpose it had was to be a gateway to being made into an SBS as it was essentially already done minus the stock. While there are practical ways to shoot one of these, a shotgun with an 18 inch barrel and a short stock like a youth length of pull is going to be more effective every time. I guess to me, no matter how "good" you can make a Shockwave, it will always be worse than a plain jane shotgun to me. Now, the new 590S models have a little more potential for practicality in 12 gauge as mini shells are no viable without an adapter. And it's a potential low recoil alternative to using even standard low recoil 00 Buck or something.
@@mrs.vasquezz The problem is depending on the base gun it may be legal to do so, it may not. In the case of a Shockwave, a longer barrel is legal, but pointless compared to other options and any other shotgun it won't be legal to go shorter without proper paperwork installed.
@@Bob5mith I think aside from the SBS route the only other option that made sense was bullpups like the KSG or UTS-15 and etc. They accomplish the same task while being perfectly legal and far more comfortable. Even those Bullpup Unlimited stocks for the Mossberg work good.
i hate the companies that make them. they are cheaper to build than a shotgun, they carry no federal tax for manufacture they are in high demand and yet nearly none or made. you have mossberg putting out 200 dollar maverick 88s and the shockwave is selling retail for 500? outrageous. thats not even dealer mark up making them that expensive because i have an FFL and i know what they go for. jist rediculous. they should only sell 18 inch barreled pistol grip only and if i want a shotgun i can throw a stock on it if i want a "firearm" i can chop the barrel to 14.5 with a new grip.
So this whole time you didn't know that when they say hold it eye level you hold it close to your cheek?! No wonder it was so hard for you to shoot if you were holding it way out there. I think you and everyone are overthinking this gun. It's less like a pistol grip and more like regular shotgun with less length. You make your own length of pull. The new remingtons i saw at palmetto state armory were horrible. One had rust on the barrel. The other was a tac 14 and it had a tac13 grip and spacer that was larger than the reciprocating it was attached to. The only problem with a mossberg I've had is when i put the stupid shell holder on the side like everyone else i found it's too easy to overtighten the bolt that goes through the receiver and therefore bends your aluminum receiver. I just got smart and started using bandoliers instead of those stupid shell holders that add too much weight to the gun. And lastly dude, calm down and quit getting so tac-ti-cool. That's why you can't enjoy this gun, enough said.
I actually prefer the shockwave because it doesn't hurt my shoulder like a full length shotgun or my wrist like a pistol grip. If you really want one these you don't need a bunch of foo-foo on yours making it look all tac-ti-cool. Here's what I recommend: shockwave 590s, or 590 with Opsol insert, minishells for inside home defense, and full length shells on a bandolier for outside home defense. I also recommend talon grips grip tape. If you want a sling, get one with weight and/or one that doesn't move in the swivels because the sling can fly up in front of the barrel. It happened to me twice. Some people prefer a tactical shotgun scabbard to use because it's like a case and sling in one. And lastly, if you can't use a brass bead with a shotgun to hit something, well bless your heart you don't need to even be holding a gun then. The tac-ti-cool stuff is overrated. What ever happened to practice makes perfect?
I admire you for trying to the shockwave for the new video. But I don't think a stockless shotgun is viable Home Defense for a long-term or long distance incident. I use a regular shotgun with short barrel for primary home defense weapon.
Since they came out, I always considered this class of firearms an excellent choice for vehicle defense if carjacking is a concern, city truck gun if you will. Like in some places in Latin America the modus operandi is to intercept the victim in a traffic stop, one car in front a one behind. Nothing like the one shot stop capability of buckshot to break contact and run away to safety. Also as Kris mentioned, good option for small and cramped apartments.
I was kind of sure you'd come around. You, more than many, tend to be very hands on about where you get your opinions. I was surprised you (vehemently) disliked them to begin with. -That guy who was apparently only one of 10 people who cheek-welded old AR15 pistols before they became cool (pre afg's, braces)
Thanks for your video. When considering pump vs semi-auto, which after decades of being a pump shotgun guy, the semi-auto allows the user to have a free hand to open doors etc... , also if an injury occurs, it can be effective with one hand. So I'm looking at semi-auto's now. Still have and love my pumps and single shots, but am finding the semi-auto more attractive recently.
i tried to get a job doing phones for you guys. apparently you need extensive experience with lots of guns to be considered. for a measly 14 an hr part time.
I am surprised that in any of these videos you didn't mention at all the fact that you can add a pistol brace to these. That makes a HUGE difference with these. Yea. The birdhead is kind if silly but with a pistol brace it makes for a great firearm.
@@AnAverageBoss No. I don't believe so. These are no classified by the ATF as shot guns, that's how they get away with the bird grip, they refer to them as "other" or something. And the brace is not a stock so just like short ARs, as long as you do a brace and not a stock you are good.
Chris Baker, I must admit that all you have stated is correct. But I digress, whatever your choice is training is crucial. Second in a tactical situation the shockwaves suck.
I prefer a stock. No no man, man made law, country, border, lgbt wokes or any other body or entity has a right to take my God giver right to use what ever tool i want to defend my life and lives of my loved once.
I still reckon that a stockless shotgun is the answer to a problem that most people don't have. For me, unless you are a Vietnam War era "tunnel rat", but maneuverability is still a concern... just shorten the barrel as much as you can, and maybe shorten the stock a bit. Even if the length of pull isn't ideal, this can be mostly addressed by the myriad of modern optics and optic mounting points available.
"In today's news, it turns out if you try hard enough you can figure out how to get better at using pretty much any tool, no matter how shitty it's design."
One big benefit to the pump action in these is that you have to try a lot harder to shoot your fingers off. I've never had a problem with recoil or hand strength, and the short barreled semis scare me a little bit.
I put a chainsaw grip on a shockwave, it makes sense to pump from the top if your gonna hip fire , & that was the most I heard about. It’s not a tickle fight you’re going into so hold onto it is my response. I really like it but it is an unnatural way to fire
Another reason is: you can depend on your hand vs the gun to cycle the next round. Essentially you will be able to shoot more ammo choices because some semi shotguns are finicky.
i use my shockwave for clay shooting and do fine but then i've been going to the gym ever since i was an athlete in college. i guess if you have a hard time holding it my i suggest a few years of bench instead of just relying on guns for defence.
Interesting to see this topic being revisited, I've always felt the criticism of your original video was unfounded. Still not convinced the Shockwave is a better choice than a stocked shotgun unless some unique storage concerns are at play, but I am convinced that they have more utility than being a range toy, and will give them a second look.
I've always seen these as sort of a breachers tool to be added to a backpack loaded with breaching rounds with a handful of buckshot in a shell carrier just in case. But outside of that I don't think I'd take it over a regular shotgun
Wow, you just happened to post this on the day I decided to buy a Mossberg Shockwave! I accidentally bought the 18.5 inch barrel version though so it's just a Mossberg 590 with a birdshead grip lol. Whoops!
