I hear you; but an entry level cinema camera is cheaper than a flagship mirrorless hybrid camera. Sony FX-3 and FX-30 are cheaper than the A1. Canon C100 and C200 are cheaper than the R5C. BlackMagic 6K Pro, let alone the 4K, is cheaper than all flagship mirrorless hybrids. Everything is relative.
You can honestly get an incredible cinema camera for cheaper than a lot of flagship mirrorless cameras. Blackmagic’s Pocket series is insane and Lumix cameras are as close to being cinema without the name, they have a ton of the same features. It’s really just all about whatever fits your workflow. Cinema cameras aren’t “better” than mirrorless hybrid and vice versa.
@@JuanCastro-dx1jk Look at comparisons between the BMPCCs and any RED camera, especially the komodo. There's practically no difference. I'd say the Fx3 & Fx30 would compete against the Komodo as well. The BMPCC 6k punches well above it's weight. I've used everything but an Arri and I've been able to get the same quality of shots out of all of them "entry level" or not.
@@JuanCastro-dx1jk Yeah but you dont have to buy a cinema camera. You can rent one and have the client pay for it. The most successful DP I know doesnt own anything (camera or lenses). Hes in local 600, has shot features, tv shows and commercials. He said hed rather not work with producers who wont budget for rentals. He said thats a red flag for him.
Literally EVERY SINGLE reason you listed is exactly why I love my c70's over any of my hybrid cams! 1 HUGE reason you left off tho, are the exposure tools that you get with cinema cameras that the hybrid cameras just don't have! Waveform, false color, zebras, etc! Those are invaluable, and I hate that I lose these every time I grab my R7!
Facts, I love my C70 too, but my R7 isn’t cutting it. I actually ventured over to the dark side and just picked up an FX30 to replace the R7 for smaller gigs. So far so GREAT
False color, yeah that's valid. But Panasonic have had zebras like since the beginning, and stuff like shutter angle, waveform and I think even other scopes for a while now
@@user-gj5cx9ik5m you're right! That's definitely one huge plus to those cameras. I actually shot on Panasonic early on, but the more I used them, the more I hated the color science, so I switched to Blackmagic, and then ultimately where I am no, in the Canon ecosystem. Thats what I learned on, and that's what we have always used for the photography side of our business, so it only made sense.
That tracking shot at 0:32 with the flock of birds in the background has such a surreal vibe to it. I can't wait to be able to afford to upgrade my gear. Still rocking a T7i and it feels like such a bottleneck to my creative output. Just got a new light from aputure a couple weeks ago that I've been excited to test out though.
@@YCImaging Can't wait to see it! It's just a shame there's no support for Magic Lantern on the newer canon dslr's, I'd get a lot more mileage out of it if there was.
It is such a close battle these days but I definitely agree that built in ND, and that extra Dynamic Range does it for me. The battery has plenty of solutions, Im grateful that I can damn near get cinema quality footage on the mirrorless cameras, so im happy.
I have now the R5C and it blows my mind. Coming from the R6, de DR of the R5c its amaizing. And the internal tools also very important for becoming a better filmaker. Slow & Fast Motion allows me to shoot at a 3 frame rate. Great for timelapses.
I've been learning more and more about cameras and honestly am excited for the journey of just learning what the differences are through practice. My sole camera atm is a lumix gx85. It gets the job done, but I kinda wanna see what I'm missing out on with some of these full frame cinema and dslr cams.
I got one gx85 too and it is incredible for the price, I still keep it with me wherever I go. It is great to be able to shoot photos and videos in a very compact body. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oCd0HQqrUT4.html Probably at some point you will start missing some features or extra capabilities, at that time would be the moment to jump and try a more advanced camera. The best camera is always that one you have with you, no matter what other could say ☺️
Currently on the R6 and have rented a c200 or c70 lately for higher production shoots. World of difference and you nailed it on the points. Hoping to invest in one soon!
I'm currently rocking the S5 Mark II and I love it. Auto Focus is amazing and colors are amazing. I love that it has so many options for frame rates like a cinema camera and it also has shutter angle..love it!
I got 2 C70's an R5c and eosR. Not changing. I'm really happy with the image and ease of use. Audio is my nemesis. Not a fan. Only recently I've learned to let go of open wide shots on everything. I like the look but I've muffed some great shots due to minor focus issues. Cool channel. I like your creative workarounds to get cool shots.
for me it's the dynamic range. it's the most important thing to me in terms of the image. Black Magic ursa 4.6k has 15 stops and it looks super noticeable compared to mirrorless and even the bmpcc4k
I totally agree with everything that you've said this video. Cinema cameras offer heaps of usability straight out of the box without having to buy too many other accessories to make the camera work. Another huge bonus with most cinema cameras is having an SDI port, a way more solid connection and the cables are much more reliable than HDMI.
Sold my S1H to get the S5iix because I couldn’t afford to get it alone, but plan to use it as my filmmaking camera and youtube camera. Then eventually save up for the Komodo X.
I use the R5c, and most of the points you listed apply to my camera despite it being a cinema OS camera. It’s nice having all of the convenience features of a full size cinema camera!
Yo YC ive been watching your videos for quite some time since about 2018, thank for creating these videos, from a videography/cinematography perspective as well as just generally. Great content man, everytime you upload its like "YCI just uploaded lets go" but thanks for these videos it definately makes a difference.
I love the c70 but I took it back and bought a canon r5c instead. Why three reasons: full frame with rf glass, weather sealing and dual based iso. But I’m loving the shutter angle, cinema menue and image 👌 c70 is still a fantastic camera though!
It's really hard to go back. I shoot a lot of documentary style or corporate/commercial with long shoot days, multiple shooting environments and high expectations from clients makes it really hard to rely on mirrorless cameras even when rigged out. Having the battery life, ND's and flexible audio options is crucial to me.
Some good points you touched upon there about the NDs and cinema dynamic range. I’ve mostly been using cinema cameras (RED Helium, Scarlett included) and I’m invited to teach beginner workshops on mirrorless, but as owner-operator started out with the original Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2.5K, then Pocket 4K and now recently got URSA Mini Pro 12K and it’s A LOT of camera for the money, so much so that it got me re evaluating my needs as a filmmaker in a good way. I found myself renting G2 4.6 so much and fell in love with the way it’s designed and the image of that type of camera so I got the 12K. So when going back to mirrorless when I’m teaching workshops it gets me every time - “wow, it’s good I went the cinema route!" but then I get that some people are hybrid shooters, I prefer to use stills cameras for stills and cinema for filming 😊
The first thing I notice about this type of video is that they are made by people who have earn a lot of money which grow and can afford real Cinema Cameras. That is the issue that this people does not think about. Canon has a separate line of mirrorless and Cinema Cameras is because the advantage you said in this video. It was not until 4 years ago that Canon introduced more video features in their stills oriented cameras. You forget one point and this is the body of the cameras. All this discussions about overheating comes from the fact that mirrorless are based on photo cameras form factor that has problem decipating heat which a Cinema camera does not have. What we need is low cost Cinema cameras. Something that only Blackmagic is providing and Canon is not providing. So people buy mirrorless due to the cost of equipment.
I've been saying all of this for years. Oddly enough, I moved to the FX30 which is a "Cinema " camera. Yeah not really. The battery life is terrible, no ND filters and no waveform monitor. I used to have a C100 mark II. I miss the battery life and ND filters and definitely the buttons, but I prefer the lighter and compact size of the fx30 for what I do. But man, those buttons for run and gun work are something else. I think I miss those more than anything. Good video!
using S1H and S5MII for one man band solo projects - love the variable frame rates, shutter angle etc. Panasonic offers a lot for the price point - Lots of proper cinema camera tools in there. I do HATE not having internal ND's though! I'm curious to see what they might do with an S1HMII.... and if anyone is going drop one of these cameras with 10bit 444 + global shutter.
Ich can absolutly understand your sentiment towards cinema cameras. I recently bought a used Panasonic EVA-1 as a replacement for my trusty GH5. All the points you mentioned make your life on set as well as the post production easier. I'll continue to use my GH5 as a B-Cam cause it matches pretty good with the EVA, but I really enjoy the upgrade and the options it gives me.
I’m running a c200 and R5. Both can handle anything I throw at them. C200 is old but still x10 then some cameras today. And cinema cameras just have that ‘look’ that mirrorless don’t
I love my Blackmagic PCC 4K, color science 🧬 is amazing and has the look I love. And I love my Red Raven old but amazing camera, red color science and raw editing workflow…it’s like a cheat code.
Great video man!!! Yo @YCImaging I'm using Sony Z90t am I in a good way? (With some frame rates and ND filter as well). Or should I upgrade now, if yes which one can fit better for that kind of budget?
I went from a semi pro Panasonic DVX100 which had built in NDs, full size XLR and an amazing battery life.. to DSLR cameras and mirrorless... I miss all these things...
How do you use 36fps and have the artists' lips in sync during slow-mo? How does that work exactly? Do you slow down the music on set while filming? Is it all done in post? I also have a Canon R6 and have issues with overheating during long video shoots. I've been shooting in IPB Light to compensate, but sometimes it still happens. Is there anyway around this?
The slow motion sync effect is done by increasing the speed of the song to 150% and having the artist perform it at that speed while filming at 36fps. If got conform the clip in post to 24fps everything will be in sync. You can do it at other frame rates as well it just requires you to adjust the speed of the song.
Great vid as always! I started filming weddings on Cinema cameras and I definitely miss internal ND’s ( a lot). I don’t miss those big bags for the camera though 😂.
I have an FX-6 and an FX-3. I love my FX-6 for many of the same reasons you prefer your C70. On a Tripod or standing still my FX-6 all day. But handheld or on a gimbal I prefer the FX-3 with the IBIS. For the time being you cannot have internal ND and IBIS on the same camera. So if I have to fly it on a gimbal or handhold, the FX-3 is ideal. But for my corporate video production (stationary talking heads) there is no better option for my workflow as far as I’m concerned.
i feel what you mean ...the only point my lumix s5ii is missing on this points is the internal nd's... not saying its perfect on the other stuff but i ca get by with battery or the customization but the nd's man ...hope the next s1h will have them internal....
*This is Why I traded in my A6400 is because I love the FX30 and that it's a cinema camera, and My ZV-1has a Built in ND Filter but the FX30 has AMAZING color and I'm learning that color editing*
Agree. Love my gh6 for handheld anamorphic stuff but I'm really Waiting for the full frame EVA2 from panasonic. Till then my good old JVC LS300 has to keep on working. The canon 300 mark iii(?) Is tempting as is the fx6... but I feel at home with Panasonic .. what can say
Loved the different prospective, definitely thought provoking. Since i shoot videos for my own music. I was using my Canon 80D but one day I didn't feel like rigging it up. So I shot me singing vocals in my home studio with my Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra. I was blown away by image quality and for the last year have shot all my video on it. However shooting 4k or 8k it overheats pretty quickly. I was planning on getting a R6 Mk2 until I watched your video 😮. 🤔 but I need a stills camera too so I gotta go with the R6 Mk2 😊
Hey man. Love your videos. I love how you break down the creative process and drip feed the technical aspects. Very helpful, as I’m a musician with a passion for video, so they’re so helpful. Do you add sharpening on your C70? And what do you use for it?
I'm definitely saving up for the c70...I been shooting Sony but fx6 is just too big for traveling like I do and fx30/fx3 don't have nd filters. sadly. Shot a show and calibrating with some friends and yeah I definitely been seeing what you talking about..mirrorless just ok for crash cam scenarios...
Autofocus is the biggest reason to use a hybrid camera and that's the reason why it's best to have one of each, if your budget can support that. Mine cannot 😅😢 so I only have a BMPCC 6K Pro and my old Canon T6i (which I never use for video).
@@YCImaging certainly. I was speaking only with respect to video, since that's what you do. I personally do both and I wish I had a flagship mirrorless camera for photography and occasional B cam alongside my 6K Pro.
Thanks, I bought your video 2 plug the day it was released and love it, I see you have a Mac Studio and wondering your opinion of it, I am deciding between it and the the Mac mini Pro but hear the Studio Max is better for Video and FCPX in general, can you give your opinion or do a video on your video editing set up? Thnaks brother..
Hi mate, great video, but the C70 is in fact a "mirrorless cinema camera". That's it, a "cinema camera" but still a "mirrorless". In case that is something bad, that I don't think so :)
I love my C70. Before I got it I was debating whether to get that or invest in a C300 mk3, went with the C70 because of price, size, firmware and support, ability to use a speedbooster, but the big one for me was the battery life... not sure why but the C300 mk3 is thuuuuursty lol.
Whats that camera arm at 3:52 - 4:04? Im looking for a good camera arm I can attach to my work desk that can hold the weight of a mirrorless camera with an 18-35mm sigma lens
Blue led burn was enough to make me switch. mirrorless cameras are garbage and make those cheap blue led lights look so much worse. dumped the mirrorless, and copped a bmpcc6k to b cam to the komodo
I have came from a Canon 5D Mark ii about a year ago and upgraded into the cinema line of black magic 4K even though it’s my first cam in this line I love the difference I was going to get the 6K at first but didn’t see anything separating the two except 4K 6K and that’s only a tad bit better this before the pro came out.
The journey getting to being able to use/afford a cinema camera is great I want the C70 one day, so many pros with them‼️ I had the EOS R for awhile then I stopped videography now I just brought the S5ii I wonder what you think of it since you were a Lumix shooter when I first subscribed to you
I need Canon to drop a new Full Frame cinema camera to rival the FX6. I really don’t want to leave Canon, but the lack of innovation is making it harder to stay.
Not so much of him not being a fan of the Z9 but more of the first time him using the Z9 on a video shoot. As he said the day didn't go as plan, it was a fail. I was hoping to see him do more videos on the Z9. I know he liked the Z9 a lot, I was just referring to the first video he did on the Z9.
Don't laugh bro. But I'm still rocking my T7i...i know..I know.. but I've got some good canon glass that i don't wanna get rid of. Canon in my opinion, is still crippling their cameras. I want to upgrade, but they haven't quite made the right camera yet.
I'm far more of a photographer than videographer and far prefer a dslr because I look through the lens and not a screen. If I want to do video then I will use a video dedicated cinema camera.
Rocken the Sony A7Siii & GH5. both has been treating me well for cliental work i do! just recently i brought out my old canon T3i to use as a bts photo & within my enhanced skills of photography since i lasted used it, my T3i is so underrated 🫡