The ones in the MotoGP are the only ones being given focus on R&D and quality and that doesn't apply to the one we get on the consumer side unlike the Akra which everything is about performance then looks comes on most of their lineup.
@@Navyguy Everybody knows that the RSV4s don't like shorty exahusts. Bad idle and midrange is gone. MotoGP racing is all top end. Look at the size of their rear sprockets! Yes $2500.00 US is too much for a slip-on!
@@fredm4197 i don't want to sound rude BUT $2500 maybe 'a bit too much' for you folks but here in India (i 'm speaking on behalf of the superbike community) we don't mind spending upwards of 3 grand on exhausts ! ✌🏻
That’s hilarious. The way I convinced my parents that I will be safe on the road was by telling them that I will ride with my professor. We rode together and worked together for more that a year. I love how a PHD make everyone believes anything.
I've only ridden for a couple of seasons now, however I find that you're one of the rare guys on RU-vid that makes any sense. All of these channels just focus on gear , thanks for making actual content that we need to hear!
@benikos I 100% agree with you. The content here is actually informative for new riders. I have been riding for a decent couple years now but still watch every video.
No shit 😒 😐 someone with type of knowledge it's nice to have the latest news and experience ‼️‼️ Their be a lot of people that know not a God damm thing on you-tube ‼️‼️
To be fair, You picked a limited, hand made, Aprilia exclusive SC Project system, and compared it to a basic Graves exhaust with a hideous logo on the side... Your average SC Project slip on does not cost much more than that graves system, and looks undeniably better. It is also in MotoGP, and is a championship proven exhaust brand. The GP-22 is one of a kind, weighs less than 1 lb (the mounting hardware is the only thing that puts this over 1 lb technically), and it sounds VISCOUS. And yes, the packaging is pretty nice, but I don't think that justifies the price of course. It's just a cool, unique exhaust that people have the *option* of buying. And it having a nice presentation seems right. Yes it is expensive, you don't have to buy it, but these are potentially a 1 time deal.. Meaning they might not manufacture them in the future. So the price point I think has a lot to do with the limited availability, and the hand craftsmanship. Same with the stealth mirrors by Rizoma. They are manufactured from a solid block of Aluminum. The FOV might not be great, but they are definitely a plus, for people that like the look. And bar end mirrors on a supersport.... I don't think they look good. Maybe on a naked bike. But I think the stealth mirrors are more designed to be used when in full tuck, not sitting in an upright position. Most people remove their mirrors completely, so it's nice just to have the option. Anyway, I know you aren't going to change your mind or anything, I just wanted to point out a few things. Because I personally love SC Project exhausts and Rizoma mirrors. Please don't view me as an "influencer" either. I haven't posted in years and could care less about all of that. I just appreciate good, solid brands that put out products that are 100% undeniable quality. This video could hurt their business so idk, I felt the need to say all of this. Excellent production on the videos man.
I know man. It’s definitely just an opinion piece and I seriously doubt this will hurt their business. They don’t need me to say they’re good - I can name a dozen other “influencers” who can attest to their quality I’m sure. I think there’s this side of “Motovlogging” that’s been missing for a while - the realness or grassroots side of this space. I used to love watching you guys do this, but right now the space is stale and I’m sorta playing devil’s advocate. I had to sit back and think things through - how can I not be another C2W, HunterHonda, 650ib, yammie, etc etc… Again, simply an opinion piece - the strategy to find those people bored of the stale Motorcycle content and want to drink some ice cold water. The only moto channel I really follow these days are those 44teeth guys. Hope this helps explain my content thus far…i think there’s a majority who think im hating. The truth is, im just looking to spice things up 😂 ✌🏾✌🏾
Numerous great systems out there, and for the quality and $, Graves,Yosh, M4, & Arrow shouldn’t be overlooked. Arrow is the best sounding exhaust system I’ve ever heard on a GSXR750. I could never justify paying $2200 for a slip-on no matter who was endorsing it. I bought a race-only full system direct from Yosh for a CBR1000RR for the same $, and at the time they had only built 12 of them for pro race teams like mine. You’re 100% correct that those $ would be better spent on better tires, brakes, and track time. However, exhaust systems tend to grab the attention.
Arrow on CFMoto 800MT like my moto sounds awful it doesn't have a soul! So in the end maybe is personal preference?? I would love to hear all the exhausts on my bike so I could choose, but as far as my motorcycle I can hear only SC Project and Arrow and SC Project SC1-R sounds great in comparison to arrow.
@@SamuraiThePunisher shitcan the cat if you haven’t done so already. That will make a huge difference no matter which pipe you have. In states where emissions testing is done, just fit up the stock stuff to pass the testing then take it back off afterwards. It’s a pain but otherwise your bike is not working or sounding as it should.
Dude you are so absolutely right about the rizomas... I've tried them on many bikes .. but frankly.. neither they give the look.. nor the "downforce", and definitely don't justify the price they come at... sure the quality is superb and all... but I would've preferred something more akin to the ones on the h2 atleast....
They don't look right on the bike. I've seen them on two or three bikes and I remember them always sitting wrong, and being at a weird angle. They don't look like H2R winglets at all, they sit on there awkward and you can tell it's well made shit, but it makes the bike look jank anyway
I think what Sc-Project is doing is correlating their prices to the price of the motorcycle. Meaning the higher the price for the motorcycle, the higher the price for the exhaust. Like for example, for a Yamaha R3, it costs ~$700 for the exhaust system. For a higher end Yamaha, like the MT-09, it costs ~$1200 for the exhaust system. And another higher end, the Yamaha R1 will set you back ~$1600 for the exhaust system. If we add in more rare or exotic motorcycles like the Aprilia, it will boost up the price massively. What Sc-Project is doing isn't good to the sense of the normal rider that will at most spend $20k on a motorcycle, but Sc-Project is pushing the fact that the more people are willing to spend on the motorcycle, the more they spend on the exhaust system/slip-on.
Totally agree! I have a Akra on my rsv4 as well and like the look of the GP-22. But $2.2k is seriously an unrealistic price point. A set of forged wheels would be a better buy at that point.
Yeah Titax aluminum forged go for about that, I saw some Galespeed ones that are actually full on forged magnesium wheels at that price. Those come out of Japan, I haven't heard too much but what I have heard was good.
@@adobomoto Carbon wheels have the biggest impact, not due to overall weight savings but due to where the weight is - instant increase in performance and agility and a great upgrade.
i agree totally with the gp22 sc project exhaust, i think it is something like £1600 here in England. My problem with the cost of it is the actual size and the amount of titanium used to manufacture it would cost probably £100 - £200. I would rather buy a cheap Chinese knockoff of that end can which is exactly what i did with the stealth mirrors, the mirrors look cool on the rsv4 but their function for visibility is poor and can actually cause a safety issue as i was looking too hard with elbows flapping up and down for too long to see what was behind me.
You should consider buying one of each of these brands…you can return them later…and show them each to some of your welder friends and get their thoughts on seeing them each in the flesh. That would be dope.
Good observation!. I share the same opinion. People base it mainly on the brand as several products. I have a KO lightning exhaust that looks like the Sc Project and does the same job for $175.
I got a full Graves exhaust with Titanium header for that price and I love my Graves on the 2021 Kawasaki zx10r. I did skimp on the mirrors I wasn't about to pay 300+ for Rizomo I got some knockoff brand for 140 that integrated signals and the work flawlessly. Keep it up bro lovin the content man.🤙
Idk if they are still around, but when I had my 08 gsxr600 I had a jardine GP1 slip on and it sounded sick and looked about as good as the SC slip on for like $130 at that time.
There are a lot of folks here in my city with SC Project exhausts and knock off which say SC Project are amazing. They confuse loudness with amazing sound. I have a 1000sx with a Leo Vince Factory S Titanium end can and stock pipes with cc and resonator still on and it sounds just right. Its bass-ier than stock, improves the over all look of the bike, legal and does not destroy eardrums of people. This channel is amazing, I like the no bs content here - straight on point talk. Keep it up. You earned a sub.
Hah the Black M4 Slip On on my '13 ZX10R sounds brutal and since the titanium headers are already open it sounds really nice and i bet it flows real nice
I personally like the rizoma mirrors but there’s no way in hell i’m spending $400+ on fu*king mirrors 😂🤣 it really hit me when you said thats 2-3 track days! Really love your videos keep em’ coming bro🍻
Yoshi exhaust for my $4000 grom is up to about $700. Almost bought one just because it had the O2 bung for the tuner. Or their $1700 dual high mount….. Then found a nice quality Leo Vince with the bung for $295 new. Yea, I’m here talking grom on your sport page 😂.
Agree with you! Way too expensive, just like Akrapovic now. Arata are back in business. Look them up! They were the real OG back then. All made in Japan. 😍
@@adobomoto same, but the Akra header alone in TI for the S1KRR is $2500 CND. LOL I can get a fulll Hindle, forks and rear shock revalved to my weight for this. No thanks!
Oh I love made in Japan shit. They craft good stuff and are cost effective. Dollar for dollar performance on RS Taichi gear, Neopros tools, and all the other tools they're making. Other shit too, I'll check those Arata out.
I have a delkevic system (the cheapest full system) on my concours 14. I love it, it sounds great, made a difference in power, and best of all it did not break the bank.
The Rizoma mirrors are ridiculous. That's why the "off-brand" stealth mirrors have blown up so much on Amazon in the past year or two. They have their own flaws, especially for $30-60 depending on which ones you buy. But you still get the same look, for the most part. And yeah, visibility is crap out of them, but would you rather spend $30 on crap, or $500? lol
I'm a Yoshimura guy, that's what I run on my R6 and I love it. If I ever wanted to try another exhaust though, I would try graves. They've done a lot in the american road racing series!
As someone who worked for a really cool racing exhaust company i can say with 10000% certainty what is made for teams and whats sold to everyone else is completely different.
That being said, akrapovic is an OE manufacturer and will sell you great stuff. Yoshi is good too. But most of the other "race" brands are not selling you anything close.
I race and I rarely if ever see anyone with an sc project exhaust in my 1000cc class. It's 90% Akra on the track. MotoGP is a different story but those systems are individually designed for each bike each year differently. Gp looks cool but I only care about performance not looks.
I’ve been happy with my Leo Vince slip on on both my track CBR250R track and my Husqvarna street bike. The Husqvarna application is CA legal too. The CBR250R isn’t because the oe muffler is integrated with the catalyst converter, but it’s not a street bike anymore.
My 1st gen FZ09 came with a full Akrapovic carbon system when I bought it. The sound is intoxicating! I like the look of the SC's and Austin systems but as an audiophile, dont care for the sound.
Mines was about 220ish, slip on, link pipe, removable baffle, clamp, free neck tube. Said I do not need to remap my bike as well. The newer exhaust sound sounds more like. It’s a KTM 390 Duke Euro 5. It is on my channel if you want to see/ hear the comparison. The slip on is a fraction of the price and not an ebay knock off. Also the site is called spEngineering.
Got the Akra System for my R1 with the long Slip-on. For me its a way better option then SC. Better Perfomance it can be somewhat quiet, and thats Important here in Europe on our Racetracks. Germany, Italy and France
Schätz mal du bist deutsch die WSBK replica Anlage von Akrapovic für die R1 scheppert trotz dem langen Topf ziemlich und die SC Projects kommen halt von der Leistung nicht an die Akras
@@MK0413 Ja fast Deutsch xD. Aber die Wsbk Anlage ist ja die "kurze" oder nicht? ich meine denn Trackday Endschalldämpfer der wirklich lange. Mit beiden Schalldämpfern kommt da schon in die nähe von 98db. Und mit beiden draussen kann auch gut laut sein. Leistung ist Akra natürlich top. Aber wird sich im Frühling zeigen wie es wird, bin die R1 erst jetzt am bereit machen.
@@gerchgodzilla3513 komischerweise ist die wsbk Anlage größer, bzw. länger. Aber ja, mit den dB killern sind meines Wissens beide für alle Rennstrecken (außer Sachsenring, da geht nur OEM Anlage) Viel Spaß mit dem bike 💪
@@MK0413 Kann sein, bin mir da echt nicht mehr sicher xD. Wird wahrscheinlich meistens Italien werden. Cremona,Misano. Und halt Hockenheim wahrscheinlich. Da sollte es auch noch knapp funktionieren. Zuerst muss sie dann auch noch abgestimmt werden. Und danke dir.
Check out Racefit Exhausts. They are based out of the UK. I had a few questions and customer service was very helpful answering my questions quickly. Received the exhaust within the week all the way from the UK. Full titanium and super nice welds. The Graves exhausts are nice too. They were basically the same price and I liked the styling in the Racefit for the types of exhaust made for my bike.
@@adobomoto Akra has always been that way. I think I paid $1600 for their Evo full system on my '04 10R 19 years ago, and that was a "deal". Plenty of products like that though. Top of the line AGV helmets, with no face shield detents or closable vents selling for close to 2k. You wonder why you go in some bike shops, and every employee has a Corsair X, etc. on? I know I paid $450 from the Tucker Rocky vendor when they still carried Arai for my Corsair X with custom padding, and a dark smoke shield. Mark up on all of this stuff is next level. Then throw in all these yahoo's who get it for free so they can talk it up on here. I'm currently looking for an exhaust for my MT09SP. IMO the best looking one so far, is SC. I wouldn't even change the stock exhaust had Yamaha not left such nasty welds on the stock set up.I don't want to flash the ECU, I'm not chasing power, I don't want a louder exhaust. I just don't want a hideous one either...
I don't think SC Project exhausts are overpriced. The SC1R slip on, for example, is comparable if not cheaper than the Akrapovic slip-on for the 2021+ Aprilia V4. The GP-22 though... It seems to be wildly expensive pound-for-pound. BUT...I don't knw what it takes to create such a beautiful exhaust and isn't price determined by what someone is willing to pay?
They are BOTH priced really high. The graves slip on is the better bargain, even better - if you like the small pipe look, the racefit growler is a better bargain
@@Victor_Moto both as in Akrapovic and SC Project - some of their stuff is premium pricing. Some are closer to standard, but honestly I don't see a gain from a full Ti Akra vs a Full Ti graves. I'll normally go with whatever is the cheapest option for my particular platform. I got lucky on my 1299s and my v4s - they both already had the 5k Akrapovic on them from previous owners.
I got the scr OPEN 1/4 ? exhaust as it hooks to back peg hanger (i got specific exhaust hanger ) sc project cost 1047$ full race model = no mesh = fully open .. why because it went in sync with the uptune . Sc project works with company who does the uptune and the tune is perfect . sorry tuner name starts with g ( been up all night lol)Gabro up tune and cr-t rear peg mount = phenominal tune worth 1061$
Everything you said I 💯 agree. I've gotten ridiculed over laying it on the hypebeast shit. I spend the money on me! Trackdays, schooling and high quality gear.
Price is obviously excessive, but isn't representative. I paid £600 including delivery and import duties from Italy to UK for a titanium SC1-R slip-on for my '22 SDR. It's equally as well made as the Akrapovic I have on my Hypermotard. Both exhausts are beautiful and flawless. Customer service from SC was second to none.
1000% there's far better options for aprilia than the SC GP or CRT. I wouldn't say they suck quality wise, every one I've come across range wise has good looks and welds (welders always shit on other welds, look at any welding video lol). However, akra full systems, mivv full systems, Graves full systems shit even the SCR1 destroy any shorty pipe. I have a CRT strictly cause the noise is just perfection. If I'm chasing horsepower or going into competition if it isn't a SCR1, it's going to be another brand that builds a full exhaust system.
I don`t understand the hate at all. I think SC-Project exhausts are by far the most beautiful exhausts on the market. There is a video online from Meddes with his RSV4 and the SC Project ...that sound is just perfect in my opinion. But i guess thats just me since I dont like Akrapovic at all, they are ugly af, extremely expensive and the sound is not what I´m looking for. Regarding the Rizoma Stealth mirrors, I think they are the most beautiful mirrors on the market. The field of view may be subpar to other mirrors but i guess thats not the point. Performance and looks are 50/50 of importance for me. Leave the stock mirrors on if you want, but they look like shit. A hardcase on the back of the bike may also be very convenient but looks like shit. I can agree with the point, that it is a good idea to spend your money on training and gear, but after that....
You wouldn't understand the hate bc you think Akras are extremely expensive when they costs probably half of the SC ''slip on'' lol. You clearly the ones that business freaking loves, easy money for them!!!
another hyped af exhaust is the austin racing 2 of my friends bought the de cat exhaust for the h2 and both of them have the mounting flange weld fail and the whole thing falls off.
Tried them and kinda did not like the way they sounded on my previous motorcycles. As someone who does long rides, the sound wears you down. I mainly run Austin Racing, even if you have to wait months for them. New sub here ma mang!
I'm with ya on most things but disagree on the exhaust systems. Motorcycle exhaust systems in general are expensive and ALL have marketing hype, including some from Graves. For example; "This Graves Aprilia cat eliminator motorcycle exhaust is handcrafted in the USA. The Graves Motorsports Aprilia RSV4 exhaust dramatically improves looks, increases horsepower and reduces over 10 pounds from the RSV4's weight. Graves Exhaust systems are designed for the elite driver seeking top of the line performance, fit, finish and value...... blah blah blah". I also think you purposefully selected the most insane pricing option from SC Project lol. Again for example, Graves has a "Slip-On system for a 22 R1 for $650. Their slip and cat delete system (i.e. a link pipe) starts at $1500 and goes to $2300! For the same bike, the SC-Project slip-on is $850 and the cat delete system starts at $1550 and tops out at $1670. An AK system is about the same, $900 for the slip-On + another $700+ for the link pipe. It's fine not to be an SC Project fanboi but let's not bash them over their pricing model. Having said that $2200 for a slip is INSANE!!!! However, I 1000% agree on the Rizoma Stealth mirrors!!! 😆
I got an SC Project full system for my CB650R, but I psie the exhaust 300 dollars 😁 The previous owner totaled the bike, it took me a total of 6 hours to restore it to mint condition. It’s a carbon fiber exhaust and I have to say that the quality I pretty good.
I'm getting a SC Project on my '23 Z900 although I am not buying it. Fortunately my brother purchased it for me as a Christmas gift otherwise I would not be getting one! I agree the price is a little absurd for just a slip on.. not to mention if you end up getting headers as well.
I have a full titanium Graves exhaust system on my 2016 Yamaha FJ09. Its absolutely amazing and I love it. I have a 23 Yamaha XSR900. I wish Graves produced something for this bike, however they do not. I went with a full system from Yoshimura.
Sc project exhausts set up for gabro up tune and it gives you more power and runs smother/better . tip .. go with sc project crt model costs 1000$ looks phenominal sounds phenominal .
If you're in the UK (I assume they post internationally too) and want a stupid loud slipon exhaust for cheap, SP Engineering. They're good quality, they sound fantastic, and they're basically just a glasspack to smooth out the sound of a straight-through haha.
Basic ebay knock-off would do the exact same. The only real differences in slip-ons is the length (Shorty v. Long). That said, Leo Vince, Graves, austin... all really great
Such an awesome channel the reviews are tops, agreed on SC flip it's a squid go to pipe. I definitely agree it's over hyped and technology in it I dunno, 90% of them are just straight through pipes.... No back pressure nothing. Like you said there are so many better pipes out there at half even quarter the price my MT10 runs a scorch and it's brilliant for quarter the price.
yeah but when was the last time you heard so much about a rearview mirror...? Folks are talking about the Stealth everywhere. I bet we start seeing designs from others that have that kind of aero transformery feature, but cost less, which will be great for the market! So good on Rizoma for pushing the envelope at least. I think I want them, but like you, I don't $500 want them. Any thoughts on the MotoGadget glassless mirrors? Experience?
@Adobo Moto As a rider safety thing, not wanting to be run over, pretty high on the list. Bought a Vata7 LED backpack, its pretty fricken cool. Integrated running lights, brake, and turn signals in addition to a bunch of other features. I love mine, its comfortable, stylish, safe, and extra visibility without the hi-viz banana man crap.
Ehh I think SC-Project is a pretty solid brand. The Conic exhaust that I had on a Ducati Monster was pretty affordable and excellent quality. I’d say they’re a top tier exhaust manufacturer. I will say that the CR-T exhaust (empty beer can) that every motovlogger/influencer has is pretty played out at this point.
I think it really depends on the bike. i agree that 2200 for a slip on is a rip off. i got an complete exhaust system from sc for 1200 for my honda cbr650r.
