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A lot of movement towards cold baths came from the fitness community, to try to increase recovery and muscle hypertrophy (gains), but it should be noted that research has shown that - • Cold water immersion attenuated (reduced) long term gains in muscle mass and strength. It also blunted the activation of key proteins and satellite cells in skeletal muscle up to 2 days after strength exercise.
It's much better if you have bath at home. It's much cheaper while still being relatively comfy. You just need blender that crushes ice cubes and maybe wait a bit before going in. Soooooo much cheaper.
I used to take ice baths for pain relief (i do martial arts). I didn't know they also gave me better circulation, better metabolism, cure cancer, give nightvision, increase my iq, tone my skin and made me a telepath. That is awesome!
@@keerthan7558 Actually both cold and hot therapy are good for pain relief depending on the use case: cold reduces inflammation / stops blood flow and hot increases blood flow and promotes healing / is analgesic. From what I understood, in general, cold is best for an acute recent injury (like right after strenuous exercise where you've potentially strained muscles) and hot is best for an older, more persistent pain (like old shoulder / trapezius injury from a few years ago).
I'm a little confused because we got from the garbage can test that for Melissa, it's not being in cold water that's the point, but it seems like we didn't compare to what she paid for to find out what is? All these other people are talking about it waking them up or dopamine release, which seems like it would still happen with the garbage can. So I'm a little lost between these two things and what we're actually concluding; it feels good, but only in a fancy tub you pay to use? I would have liked to see the garbage can experiment inside a calm space.
Yeah, if her friend had taken her to a mud bath instead of an ice bath the first day, would this same video have been made? A nice, relaxing spa experience can be good for mental health, regardless of what part of the spa treatment you do. Just being forced to disconnect from your day to day life and technology is a treat. It feels like she got to that conclusion at the end, but are there differences between starting your day with a run outside, an ice bath, a sauna, yoga, or many other options that all raise your dopamine levels and cause you to feel good and wake up?
Hey, kids. I have a friend, an old squadmate, with chronic pain from a TBI he suffered during his time as a Marine. He started trying to supplement his doctors' efforts to help him with alternative medicines - herbal medicine, reiki, whatever. Eventually he tried cold water immersion. In January of 2020, he fell through the ice and drowned in the frozen river he was practicing this immersion in. His body wasn't recovered until it thawed in March. Just be careful, ok? Please? Don't try to do anything like that alone.
@@MeTheOneth Why shouldn't he be skeptical? A sad story doesn't make you immune to criticism. Tact should be employed, yes, but question everything you read online.
We had a flood and our hot water tank was broken for about 3 weeks. Only cold water. I can say I have no love for cold showers, nor did I feel invigorated by them. I'm happy we got a new hot water tank today.
I lived in an apartment for a year where the hot water tank was too small. So if I didn't wash my hair quickly I would get a sudden cold shower. Nah mate. I am Swedish, I am completely fine with cold baths, but I prefer to choose them on my own
For me, rockclimbing gives me the things people talk about getting from ice baths. But I never would have guessed it before I tried it, and I tried plenty of things that gave those benefits to other people. So if ice baths do it for you, that's excellent, I'm glad you found your thing!
This is a huge thing in Ireland, but it's cold water plunging in the sea. In the winter our water is between 1 celcius and 5 celcius. It's been a thing for years. It's great! I go everyday! ❤
one thing that i wish came up in this, is the idea of somatic treatments for anxiety and other mental health conditions. i use ice packs for somatic grounding to treat ptsd flashbacks, and it wouldnt surprise me if ice baths could be similar and help people for those reasons. any strong sensory experience works for this of course but i wonder if that's why some people feel ice baths helped with depression or anxiety.
In some psychology book i found that exposing yourself to discomfort will create "bounce-back" effect, that will release dopamine and endorphins. And will result in more happiness overall
Sorry if someone has mentioned this, but have you looked into the Mammalian Dive Response? (Wikipedia page is titled Diving Reflex.) It’s a physiological response to your face being submerged, cold, and holding your breath. Your body does many things; one of them is activating the parasympathitic nervous system (the “rest and repair” system) and slowing your heart rate. If you’re prone to anxiety or panic attacks, this is a great skill to have in your toolbox! There are many studies that talk about it too, for anyone who wants to read more.
I have been doing these for 6 weeks at 5 days a week prior to training and haven't felt better. I have virtually cut out caffeine and sleep much better than prior.
Nice video, but I feel you should have include a section about the risks. People do lots of things just because they feel good, or because connection with other people (or oeer pressure). Many of those things are actually dangerous or destructive. This fad can also be a risk.
I tried cold baths and cold showers out of curiosity. No feeling of exhilaration or "happy" adrenaline. Just pretty much the feeling of being stupid for doing it on purpose. Of course, I grew up in the "north", where I've been exposed to extreme cold most of my life on a regular basis, so I guess the novelty isn't there, and also this inherent realization that it's just, well... kinda dumb I guess to do discomfort intentionally when there's enough of it in real life? Or maybe I do enough challenging activities already that adding to them seems a bit silly? Everyone's different I suppose.
There's research that supports many things and there is research that opposes things. At the end of the day its up to a person to believe if something is helpful. Personally it helps me and people spend money on plenty of things that don't offer value, like purses, cars, etc. Who am I to tell someone how to spend their money and time on things?
Admitting to paying 1100 dollars for this, that’s so embarrassing. Imagine having such a cushy life that you never feel uncomfortable so you decide to make it a hobby and pat yourself on the back for facing “adversity.” Wild
I don't know why so many people mock this hobby/exercise It's just people trying to improve their lives really. I started doing it for my mental health and found success so far
It’s interesting that the “control group” of people who fall into cold water isn’t considered. A lot of them have strokes and heart attacks from the cold.
America's are weird as hell. In Finland we just use lakes. And there are public swimming pools that are 10C No need to pay so much money just to feel cold.. at least go to a sauna before.
For me being cold is literally painful. I can tolerate the pain from heat/burns much more easily than non-injurous cold. I cannot imagine forcing myself to do this and Im glad to know Im (probably) not missing out.
Same. I get some hardcore allodynia from even slight chill, and the thought of an *ice bath* makes all my limbs curl up like the Wicked Witch of the East after she gets housed
Hank's Razor: "For anything that can be explained by socioeconomic status in a society, it's probably that rather than the thing you're measuring." Ice Baths might have some health benefits but the fact is that _the sorts of people who have ice baths_ are likely in a better socioeconomic status and therefore more likely to be healthy anyway
funnily enough you can easily get the effects in a shower, it doesn't have to be THAT cold for a similar effect. Plus ground water isn't much more than that depending on where you live. I did them a lot when I was losing weight after recovering from an injury. Really helps with soreness since it's basically a full body ice pack. And helps wake you up and focus you. I'd say it's more the people who *GO* to ice baths, because plenty of people I know did this by just taking a tap cold bath. Then again, the sorts of people who looked them up and found them are also likely into fitness to some degree, or at least trying to take care of thier body, which still clouds the data.
In the first season of fear Factor I remember they had to jump in some water to get some balloons and they were freaking out because the water was so cold it's 55°F and almost everybody backed out of the challenge saying that was too cold!!! Now people are spending more money than they could have won to do the same thing, only worse!!! I'm taking cold baths just to save on fuel for hot water I can't afford, why the hell is anybody paying for this!!
for what most people were saying why they enjoy it it sounds like an adrenaline rush to wake them up in the morning but using fancy words to dress it up as something else.
My Vibram toe shoes are probably most unfashionable shoes but I only wear them everyday. I am only interested in foot shaped or toe box shoes or boots. Not much options for my preference unfortunately. Also I only buy cargo pants and flannels or button ups. Never could find a jacket I actually like
Supposed health benefits aside, it really helps to do something that your body considers "tough" in the morning to wake you up for the self-discipline and for the adrenaline. It's not the ice bath or shower itself, but that your body gets that sense of urgency for a moment and then the happy rush once you get through it ok. It gives you a little buzz. Most of us live in a very privileged state where we can be comfortable 24/7 in today's world so triggering that adrenaline/danger response without a real threat can help. It's been compared to running as fast as you can for a couple of minutes like you're running from a Lion.
Hypothermia is a fashionable I guess. I'm from Iceland and this is one of the things that they teach us about the ocean and the dangers of the cold water, because the ocean around Iceland is from -5C to 4C in temperature.
The first thing they tell you is how to avoid that, that's like seeing someone with a beer and saying "dying of dehydration and liver failure is fashionable I guess". Of course it's dangerous if you just stay in there, but this is in a controlled environment for carefully measured times. Only dangerous if you put yourself in the situation with no research or idea of what you're doing, and that's definitely not something exclusive to ice baths. You slowly lower to avoid shock, only sit in there a few minutes (5-10, depending on temp), then warm yourself up slowly with towels (again to avoid shock). If you're into exercise on a more serious level you get familiar with them, they really help prevent soreness. Though where I live we just use tap water since it's usually 4C to 6C anyway, no need to pay that ridiculous amount of money.
To everyone saying that you could just buy ice at the gas station: ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE. 40-50 pounds of ice isn’t cheap. Only if you have a bath tub or a vessel that can hold you and enough water can you do this 2. I’ve tried doing this at my own house many times. You NEED to get the temperature between 35-50 degrees and it needs to stay that way for at least 5 min if you’re doing one alone (for my boyfriend and I at least 10-15 min) in order to achieve this temperature you need at least 40 pounds of ice. 40 pounds of ice cost me $20 USD at a gas station or grocery store. The water temperature reached 47 degrees and in 5 min was at 55 degrees when I got in. Not even cold, not at all didn’t get the same benefits as when I go into a cold pool in winter or at a cold plunge membership place. If ice baths are apart of your routine $200 a month is cheaper than paying at least $20-$40 a day to do a ice plunge + at my cold plunge location they have saunas hot tubs and other things to use too.
What other things the people that are doing cold ice baths is what i need to know, everytime seems like a new "cure" for everything comes up every now and then
I think I'm officially too old to watch this channel anymore. I just can't with the Tiktok editing. I know a lot of people like it, and that's fine, but it is just too distracting and bothersome for me. This is the second video in a row that I have attempted to watch and just couldn't force my way through.
@@JoeTrickey The extremely short shots, the super high number of cuts per minute, the proliferation of unnecessary jump cuts with different levels of digital zoom, the cutting between steps of the process of doing things without actually showing anything meaningful, all flash and no substance. The cooking montage at the beginning of last video was peak TikTok.
i live in poland and here people just kinda go swimming in the sea in the winter (yeah it was a bit of a fad a few years ago but people have been doing this for ages). like yeah its a bit of a hardcore thing but not that much, once a teacher in my school took 10 year old children to swim in a lake in december and like, a few parents were against it so im sure some kids didnt go, but the rest of them did go. you can regularly see people running next to the sea in the winter as a warm up and then going in. i never did that but it feels strange to me whenever people make it out to be a weird fad when my entire life (except that few years ago when people got weird about it) it was seen as something thats a bit strange but not that unusual
I am gonna start cold showering now, cuz I wanna see if it feels good. But holy damn this ice bath trend seems to be super expensive. - they are taking all the moneyz :D
i feel like this is like the parachute effect. many people that go on helicopters for those minutes say their life changed and what sheldon said is a common motivator for those people to do it again, if you can jump out of a plane you can do better
I'm skeptical to all these crazy claims, but if it doesn't harm you, and can improve your mood/wake you up (by dopamine, adrenaline release and just by placebo), then why not?
I think the garbage bin experience was just too short. Stay in 2 minutes and enjoy the feelings afterwards. And that happens in a simple tub, without any peer group or other outside appraisal.
I once did a really long cold shower in the summer and afterwards I felt hotter and sweatier than before. Not worth it. If you want to do something for your body just exercise. Also this ice bath thing might be dangerous if you have a preexisting unknown heart condition.
I actually watched the video in the bathtub haha. Relaxing in a warm bath with nice smelling candles and salts is what I like to do to relax. There's a ton of claims about candles and regular bath products that are probably unscientific. I'm ok with just doing it because it feels nice.
If I remember right from Wim Hof and his methods, his intention is more about the shifts in brain state. He noticed, that when subjecting himself to such extreme and harsh conditions, his "crocodile brain" would kick in and essentially override his "monkey brain" and from there he's able to have more immediate control over his body. He's been recorded with ridding deadly parasites from his body on command, so he definitely figured something out there 🤔 I think, Ice baths can be sort of an "initiation" for this lifestyle of having mastery over our own domain. The "anti-cult cult club" 😆
Honestly I feel like it helped with my joints while I was running Cross Country in high school. Like it would help with the inflammation of running 50-60 mile weeks and my exploding in height during middle/high school to 6'5"
We should turn other self indulgent behaviors into social experiences. Imagine gratifying ones self with confidan... wait... that's just sex... and other similar relations... Would be a shame if we needlessly stigmatized casual consensual relations, thank god we don't do that.
Why cant people just use thier own tubs, fill it with cold water, light some candles, and call it a day? Why do we need garbage cans, 5 000$ sessions and so on. Youcan do this at home... people are so weird. 😂😂😂
Isn't Wim Hoff the guy who claims to have done over 100 public fountain enemas in his life, and almost died from internal damage after one? More freedom to him, but I wouldn't regard him as health guru exactly?
Absolutely fucking not. I live in Austin, TX; I've gone to Barton Springs many times. The water is usually around 70° Fahrenheit. Maybe that doesn't sound that cold, but I promise, water that temperature just sucks all the warmth right out of you. You have to keep moving to stay warm, or get out into the sun to warm up occasionally. That is absolutely THE LIMIT of what I will tolerate. I HATE being cold. Maybe it's because I've had arthritis since I was like five years old (not exaggerating, sadly), but cold makes my joints hurt and there's nothing pleasant about causing myself more pain than usual. The only reason I put up with Barton Springs once in a while is that we have TOO MANY DAYS each summer over 100°, and spending a little bit of time in 70° water drops your body temperature enough that you tolerate the heat much better for the rest of the day. Any colder than that and I would just die. Melissa, I think you're insane. 😂😂😂
Not gonna lie, it’s been odd seeing things we did for athletic purposes or recovery become trends as of recently tbh. I was a track and field athlete in college and ice bathing or contrast ice and heat bathing was the norm after a hard workout. You would only submerge yourself to your waist (not sure where the full immersion thing came from) and only 10-15 minutes maximum time inside the ice (going numb is the goal, not frostbite). This was only for the purpose of recovery, so I personally think the benefits of ice bathing is more apparent post-workout than just doing it without any prior activity 🤷🏿♂️
Of all the weird fads people do, at least ice baths are benign. No poisoning or starving yourself with weird diets or exposure to dangerous chemicals that are so called healthy.
Yeah, it's like massage or acupuncture. As long as you aren't foregoing a science-based treatment for something serious like cancer, knock yourself out.
Thanks for involving me (and expertly editing out all my umms and errs), loved the video! Really enjoyed hearing everyone’s experiences. Soon after we recorded I went to a festival deep in an English forest and enjoyed an ice bath out in the middle of nature, double feel good hit! Should’ve brought a book though…
Hey! A small comment on your comparison of ice baths and ice cream, in the context that the latter also causes the release of dopamine. Aren't these two different things, since regular consumption of ice cream can have long-term negative health effects, as opposed to cold exposure, which for a healthy person has no potential health risks (at least not currently known)? It seems to me that the whole point is to increase dopamine with a simple action performed in a short time without significant side effects. In any case, thank you for your comment presented in the video, I really appreciate people who do not go to extremes and are restrained in their assessments.
It's a shame that there isn't some common appliance that could fit a person while holding ice and water for an ice bath, to avoid the whole human size garbage can. Something like a tub. An Ice... Bathtub
If only we had some way to make ice in the home... and some kind of apparatus to keep it frozen. Like, an ice "maker", and a freezing machine to store it in.
itt: people who don't know how cold most tap water actually is, how much ice it actually takes to bring it down to 4°, how much space that amount of ice takes up in a normal freezer, or how fuckin long it would take to make all that ice while not being able to use your freezer for food Edit: before you @ me, I am begging you, please, *please* read the comments above mine and reply to one of the people actually making a point related to whatever you're trying to tell me. I'm not the one sitting here with weird ideas about how appliances work.
Worked as a camp counselor for a summer. Each week there was a friendly competition night, and one week my kids won and for whatever reason chose the reward of "Jump in the lagoon before breakfast." I wasn't happy, but it was my job to go along with it. Hitting that cold water before my brain had turned on for the day was a surprisingly wonderful shock. I haven't done it since. But I see the appeal.
I don’t understand going in Ice Baths without going into a Sauna first - but I recently learned that Americans don’t have the same sauna culture as Europe…
It's something weird that I've noticed is that (me, us) Americans view Saunas/Hot tubs/etc as a very big luxury whilst most of the rest of the world see it as like, the bare minimum to relax and destress. Which is strange???????? Because I don’t know what could have caused that aside from America's general _oddity._
@@nicestpancake you are wildly assuming "the rest of the world" there. South America has NO culture of saunas. There may be some of them, but they aren't really a thing. And for sure are not part of relaxation culture. The bare minimum would probably be massages, or a hot tub/shower (talking inexpensive, doable in your home)
@@nicestpancakeHot tubs are incredibly common, you just have to be middle-class and have room. The thing is people are increasingly just too poor or living in an apartment complex.
I assume it's dependent on the temperature of the country and its access to geothermal springs. The US is enormous, so if a spa culture exists in one area, it doesn't seem US Americans consider it to reflect on the rest of the US. And large swathes of it are pretty warm year-round. Also, many people (this isn't unique to US Americans) engage in a fallacy where they see their own country as fairly distinct, where different areas have unique mini-climates of culture, but any other country that has X Thing must means the ENTIRE POPULATION of X country must have X Thing. X country is homogenous from top to bottom, but YOUR country is culturally diverse. After all: Russia 'has a spa culture', and it's far bigger than the US. Because Russia is 'foreign', it seems homogenous to the outsider. And from a quick Google, it seems some communities of Native Americans are culturally linked to hot springs. It may be that the culture was destroyed/beaten down by colonisation. Countries like Japan are prime real estate for geothermal springs, so easily locally accessed. Countries like Finland are 'small' by US standards, so sauna culture seems more ubiquitous to an entire country when looking from the outside in. As an example of a hot spring culture that died out: The UK can get very cold (obviously 'very cold' is subjective) but while its hot spring culture has died out, its spa towns (Bath, Leamington Spa, etc) have often remained quite affluent. The hot/warm springs brought populations to it, where industry then grew, until eventually the hot spring culture faded but the population and industry remained. We still have hot springs, and they're popular, but the culture no longer exists.
@@nicestpancake It's crazy, too. AC is also normal here while it's not common in most other countries. There'll be a sauna once in a blue moon at a hotel or gym but they're hard to find unless you're somewhere colder or mountainous, then they're more common.
Based on what information I found when I looked into it: Cold water will trigger a mild adrenaline rush. 'Shocks your system'. The hormones norepinephrine, epinephrine are released. Now when adrenaline is released, it also releases a fair bit of dopamine (AKA the 'happy' hormone - though in reality it's responsible for much more than just making you happy). Which is why it can feel so good. Usually this adrenal response is a response to danger or urgency or stress. We often call it the "Fight or flight" response. And if you've ever triggered your fight or flight response you may notice that after the danger/threat/urgency subsides you can be left with that feeling of excitement and happiness from the surge of dopamine. This is often what motivates adrenaline junkies, to put themselves in danger for the sake of that adrenaline & dopamine rush. With an ice bath, especially one at a spa or other comfortable relaxing place where you feel safe, you're getting that adrenal response WITHOUT having to experience the danger/urgency/threat. So while your body reacts with adrenaline because it knows too much cold can be dangerous for it, and it's trying to protect you... your conscious mind knows that you're not in any danger since you can leave at any time and there are people to make sure you're not in there too long etc. So you get the benefit of the massive dopamine surge without having to jump off a mountain or whatever it is adrenaline junkies do these days. And the adrenaline and other hormones mentioned also help make you more alert and focused.
@@DeathnoteBB There are different types of stress. Assuming you have ADHD (which, same) then you still get dopamine from stress. It's part of the reason why people with ADHD can get into hyperfocus mode when a deadline is looming. That's not to say all stress triggers dopamine. It depends on what's causing the stress. Specifically it's stress that will trigger fight or flight - in other words, stressors that you have some level of agency over. A looming deadline. A fire breaking out that you can run from or try to extinguish. etc. Stress caused by things you have very little to no control over, or stress from long-term problems generally don't come with fight or flight. Just elevated levels of anxiety and cortisol. So things like worrying about global warming when you're just a random citizen, knowing that your one vote and personal carbon footprint is utterly irrelevant if other people aren't doing their part as well. And knowing you can't convince other people to do their part because people are stubborn and don't like change. Worrying about stuff like that is very stressful, but its not fight or flight. So no dopamine, just anxiety and stress and sadness and OH GOD MAKE IT STOP.
From a psychological side, the shock to your system works as a "little danger" which when you overcome (which is automatic cause there's no danger) makes it feel like you have overcome an obstacle. This boosts your confidence, making you more secure, more self confident, ect.
