Yet Naruto did the same thing, so your reasoning should apply as well right? Also they didn't really downplay Naruto, if anything Naruto had to be buffed by ScrewAttack to compete with Ichigo. Ichigo was stomping Naruto since the Soul Society arc, before then I'd always give the win to Naruto. EoM Naruto is also inferior to EoM Ichigo, who at 1/3 of his (raw and unrefined) power killed a reality warping, dimension destroying god, twice. What did Naruto do? Oh yea, he sealed a reality warping god, using everything he had and more. No need to count the help for either character, the end result is what mattered. I'm not trying to say Naruto is weak (he's amazingly strong), but for him to go up against Ichigo is unfair to say the least.
Naruto never aim dodged. Sorry and even if he did, he dodged light at POINT BLANKS. Even if he did aim Dodge it, its still impressive...which is funny cause he didnt aim dodge it XD
They recently admitted in the Weiss vs Mitsuru Death Battle that instant kill moves get ignored because individual techniques don't really determine who is the stronger combatant. By their rules, if they were out to kill the other from the onset, Ichigo would end up killing Naruto 8/10 times by decapitation. And that's only because Naruto the Last is canon while the Hellverse movie isn't.
I'm glad you clarified that Ichigo is way better than how Screw Attack tried to make him look. I'm a massive bleach fan and I admire your work. #ShiroIsMyFavCharacter
While watching/reading the series I've never noticed such feats, it's very subtle. It's mindblowing to realize Bleach, Naruto and One Piece characters have FTL combat speed. Love this new perspective.
People need to realize that Ichigo is stronger than Luffy and Naruto combined. The Bleach itself is very broken and it's nearly as powerful as DBZ. Pitting Ichigo and Naruto together is pointless. Everything that Naruto can do Ichigo can do way better. The only advantage Naruto has is IQ which won't really help him here.
You should check out bleach brave souls 2019 new year Ichigo (from the description of it, it sounds like that's what Ichigo at his max potential would look like)
there was also a line in the manga or data books that mentioned "ichigo's flashstep is x7 faster than the average flashstep"💀💀💀💀💀 7x1000 = rip narutards thinking naruto wins
Ichigo does have immeasurable speed coz he dodged X-Axis of Lillie Barro which ignores the concept of speed dodging and durability while in mid air if you want proof then go to "Chapter 620" and X Axis is - The X-Axis is Lille's Schrift which allows him to uniformly penetrate anything between his weapon and his Target
brah i really want to help get you more likes and fans your facts about bleach are on point man dead ass you keep it nice and simple need to give your input on seths nartuo vs ichigo cause boy ICHIGO BET NOT LOSE
My favourite forms of Ichigo by design, from least to most, are; Substitute, Zangetsu Form 1, Fullbring Cross, Tensa Version 4 (True Bankai), Tensa Version 1, Tensa Version 2 (Dangai), Fullbring Cloak, Fullbring Armour, Zangetsu Form 2 (Fullbring Shikai), Hollowfication, Zangetsu Form 3 (True Zangetsu), Tensa Version 3 (Fullbring Bankai).
Genuine question for Bleach scalers because I use the Auswälhen and an issue I’ve faced is that people are saying that it’s coming off of Yhwatch’s hands so the way it was moving based off context it would have to bend at some point. Since the tree was up in the air and to reach everyone it would have to bend. So it wouldn’t be viable.
Thank you for clearing these speed feats up, it makes a lot more sense now. Can I ask a question though? When Ichigo and Uryuu met the Menos Grande in Karakura town, ichigo was fast enough to react to a cero, which I think was said to be spiritual light? Someone pls tell me if I'm wrong
Well I googled cero's speed(not the best source) but I gotta say that a Menos cero would be at most sound speed and the stronger you are the faster your cero are. If all cero is the same speed, ichigo would be dodging the espada's cero no problem. As we can see ichigo was able to pull out the mask and intercept grimjow's cero no problem but barely able to dodge a lanz de lapargo(or whatever it is called) from 1st resurrection ulquiorra
@Bleach Hub i got something much different for ichigo’s speed ranking it to FTL in the SS arc. It goes of Hisagi dodging light beam point blank. If you wish to discuss this we can do this on insta with my name dr_sage_ or just give me a link to your discord it doesn’t work for me.
What about calculation for him versus Eisen since we have a vague amount of information for that time like we know the speed of the guy with the long swords Banki since he said it was 500 times the speed of sound
U can get Ichigo to mftl in soul society arc as Lieutenants Dodge the negacion which is light in shikai Ichigo blitzes them then goes into banki which is 10x multiplyer
Isn’t ichigo light speed in ss arc? The Lieutenants doged a light attack from the menos grande and the creo is a light attack and ichigo shredded three lieutenants so he should’ve faster then light in shikai?
@@c731-enfi ya I agree, but they can still doge it in general and they didn’t react they didn’t see it and doge it they just doged it also I have a calc on areeniro moving faster then sunlight whivh makes him 3xftl+
@@razor301 Even if he lied why would he lie to make it slower than in reality? Also he would not be able lie that something 1742x slower than it is. Gin outscales Aaroniero and the lieutenants by a lot fx therefore Aaroniero and the lieutenant are obviously not 1742x faster than Gin. Do you seriously believe Isane Kotetsu is mach 880k while Gin is like mach 500? 😂
You could’ve made a better argument at the end for the 100 times hollow increase. Could say that the initial horn is a 10X increase and when ichigo go bankai it’s multiplying the horn power as well with a 10x10 =100 time the overall 10 times power increase with bankai being 1000. Only because you said vastolorde ichigo was beating uquiora I just see that as ichigo full shinigami power being unleash that zangetsu couldn’t suppress or didn’t want to since ichigo was dead so all we know ichigo at 2/3 full power (since the Quincy side still maybe didn’t want to join the battle) is that strong but not because of increase
Chapter 619 and 673 (ywach say he can see his power take form and that was only happen when he was in mugestu) meaning ichigo in base is mugestu level or higher in his base
I think that TYBW Ichigo's Bankai is not the 10x multiplier. As we know Hollow merged form is at least 10x multiplier, with it he able to harm Yacwach and outspeed him. But in Bankai he still outspeeds him and oneshots him with one Getsuga
Its the merged form that isn't a 10×. Ichigo's mask and a ressureccion are both 5× with a mastered bankai being 10×. A ressureccion can only be equal to an incomplete bankia like Arrancar invasion arc Toshiro and Renji.
@@primeroespadax lmao why resurreccion is equal to incomplete Bankai? Also there's no such thing as "complete" Bankai. Yoruichi says that bankai's are GENERALLY 5-10 times, for someone who's not "general" it's not a 10x. And Byakuya is not "general". Hollow merged Ichigo was significantly weaker than fatigued Bankai Ichigo. HOS wasn't able to seriously harm Juha with Gran Rey Cero+Getsuga, while Bankai Ichigo oneshoted him. And no, he oneshoted him in full power to inb4 "He oneshoted fatigued Juha"
@@tabkg5802 a bankai just recieved by the regular way of achieving it is minimal the 5×. Toshiro's and Renji's bankai were both incomplete and they were shown to be about the same boost as a ressureccion. Ichigo's shikai was getting smacked around by base Dordoni yet Ichigo's bankai could battle with his ressureccion. Soi Fon gets smacked hard by base Baraggan yet her bankai almost killed him in ressureccion. Bankai Toshiro vs Released Harribel looks the same as they both were in base. Toshiro's bankai isn't what it should be until he matures. That enough proof for u?
@@tabkg5802 two factors caused Ichigo to be that effective against Yhwach. First is the multipliers which I just cleared up 2nd is his shikai and bankai ability. Many may disagree with me but Ichigo might just be the most broken character in Bleach. His shikai getsuga jujisho is so damn powerful it can actually oneshot someone that is supposed to be equal in power to him making him capable of greviously injuring or even killing someone many times more powerful. His hollow merged form increases his physicals and speed to absurd levels making him a blitz oneshot type of character. That gran rey getsuga is even worse than the getsuga Jujisho. His bankai is literally stupid powerful. His speed alone makes the merged hollow form pale in comparison. Not to mention that compression effect that got taken to a brand new level. Just his regular strikes based on his bankai's ability should be worse than a granrey getsuga and that shit should be capable of killing people many times more powerful than him. Add his getsuga to the mix and its just slaughter. He's more broken than the quincies altogether. Yhwach already had more reiatsu than Ichigo and had all the abilities of the quincy and the Almighty was the only useful power against Ichigo's Hollow merged form. He then stole that power so Bankai Ichigo was basically battling Yhwach and the entire Quincy army along with his merged form and was still oneshotting Yhwach everytime he hit him. The bankai is still a 10× boost but its abilities are off the scales. There is no one capable of defeating Ichigo's bankai except Yhwach weilding the Almighty with all the SK and quincy powers.
@@primeroespadax lmao Ichigo's Bankai was equal to Byakuya's and Byakuya was one of the strongest captains and Royal descendant at the same time Inb4 "hIs BAnKaI wAS iNcOmPlETE"
I can do you one better. Byakuya moved so fast he seemed to teleport the first time he attacked ichigo. Ichigo is at least that fast in the second arc of the story. He is FTL in the soul society.
im surprised you didn't mention Gin's bankai at all. His bankai literally scaled the entirety of karakura town in an instant and retracted immediately. What's more surprising was that Ichigo never got skewered by Gin in that fight(given that Gin wasnt really trying though)
@@ZeeshanMalik455wasup it would have been a tough battle if gin n ichigo was to fight serious. Y'all hafto remember at that point in the series and with all ichigo's previous battles he had already developed the ability to read his opponents movements just by a few swings of their swords not only that but he was also able to read their emotions
Itachi is universal+, the totska blade and yatta mirrors have infinite power, and his speed, MFTL+. Easily much faster then kid naruto, who was faster then haku, who we know was stated to be light speed.
he 3 lieutenants dodged the negacion which was stated a beam that was light speed And they dodged it in 1.29 seconds So 1.29/0.10 =12.9c Means 12.9 time faster than light And ichigo was able to speedblitz them in base it makes ichigo 6 times faster than light 12.9 x 6 = 88.4 x faster than light And bankai is 10 times shikai So 88.4x10=884 times faster than speed of light
Light is always Weird in Fiction, which people have surely pointed out to YOU before. Also, youre sure its 10 times what Shikai is and not '5-10 times what Base is'?
Quilge was also capable of using a bunch of advanced Quincy techniques that mayuri no average Quincy could use and considering no other Sternritter ever used the ability quilge might've been a higher end sternritter however Ichigo in vaste Lorde was only speed of sound because he used a sonido which is sound sooo get debunkoed
Did you not read the panel where Gin explicitly stated that he lied about the speed of the bankai and what it actually does? If you go to a 15 year old kid and tell them something like that, they'd be impressed as well
I have a speed calc i think would be weird to use i want anyones opinion So Aaroniero dodged light in base form so in ressurection hes 10x ftl Aaroniero is relative to a shikai rukia more or less so hed be relative or inferior to shikai ichigo so add 100x for bankai + mask and hes 1000x ftl, this already sounds like bs ik but bare with me. So a fullbring bankai + mask would be about 10,000 ftl im sure fullbrings also have the 10x mechanic so ye. To find true shikai ichigo u need to do alot of assumptions so low balling lets say vasto Lorde is 2x stronger and dangai/mugetsu would be 4x stronger because vasto lorde ichigo had a ripped shuhaksho and dangai would be low balled 2 times stronger. Since true shikai ichigo is relative to mugestsu he would be 80,000 x ftl add 100x for bankai + hos, and u come around with 8,million ftl for eos ichigo Does this sound like bs or no @BleachHub
@@sokrates6737 proof that was its speed and not just lie because there are many casual ftl feats in bleach that outright prove gin could have been lying
@@sokrates6737 Yes. But this Ichigo was unmotivated and still used only a fraction of his power. And Bankai increases the attributes from 5x to 10x (Ichigo TYBW)
Where are you getting these multipliers from? It clearly states his speed is lightning level. If I say I'm twice as powerful that doesn't definitively mean I'm 2 times as fast.
Bro ichigos powers boost his speed that’s the point of his bankai shrinking to compress all of his powers if you have a high amount of reiatsu that’s equivalent to your speed just like how Aizen keeps up with Ichigo dispite no speed multiplier
I can get shikai ichigo in the fight with buyakuya to light speed see the menos escape thing is light speed we can all agree who dodged it a lieutenant now who did ichigo speed blitz yes
So Naruto speed blitzes? I was under the impression that bleach characters just clap Naruto characters but alot of tik Tok doofuses think Ichigo just solos everything and I haven't fully watched bleach, but based off this I would have to say Boruto Era characters are stronger.
@@josephisrael8959 FGT ichigo is 4d-5d stated directly by aizen... His attack mugetsu can destroy anything in excistence, sonic cant even see and feel ichigo... Ichigo is a soul he can one shot sonic.
Also, an attack can be stated to be like light that doesn't give the implication of light speed attacks. It's a casual comment and not one rooted in real world actual scientific fact.
@@IfennaUnicUnigwe This will only be focused on mimihagi, aizen, yhwach and ichigo MIMIHAGI: This guy travelled from soul society to soul palace in 5 seconds lets do the calcs It takes 7 days with shunpo to travel from soul palace to soul society distance=velocity*time ichibei with shunpo travelled 4000km in a second that is the speed i would be using d=4000*7*24*60*60 d=2,419,200,000km and mimihagi did this in 5 seconds so 2,419,200,000/5=483,840,000km/s this is 1612.8*FTL Since the speed of light is 300,000,000m/s or 300,000km/s YHWACH: Yhwach blizted mimihagi which puts him at least twice that speed Which is 3225.6*FTL and he also absorbed the soul king which at the very least multiplies his power by 10 So he is 32256*FTL (soul king and mimihagi absorbed). Now he also absorbed 21 quincies which further multiplies his power by 210 and the lowest So he is 677,376*FTL Now he also absorbed ichigo bankai He is at 6,773,760*FTL AIZEN AND ICHIGO: They both managed to keep up with him so they are at equal speed So mimihagi= 1612.8*FTL Yhwach, aizen and ichig= 6,773,760*FTL.
Dude when he ripped out that hollows tongue it was before he had started to create the sound waves so we cant say much but he is stated in a guide to be like lightning against byakuya but in the bount arc bankai ichigo fought jin who used lightning, for most of it he dodged the lightning but did get hit. Bankai yamma is stronger than mugetsu and transcended aizen btw.
Well Bankai Yama has that hax 15 million degree reiatsu, which would make him able to compete with transcended beings. However, Ichigo and Aizen still top Yama - especially with in universe comments pertaining to Ichigo (Fulbring Absorbed), being enough to end the Quincy war. That was Fullbring Ichigo, not True Shikai who was stated to be roughly equal to Dangai/Mugetsu. Therefore Dangai and Butterfly win out on Yama.
@Kyoka Suigetsu How was Dangai weaker than Yama at Shikai? That makes no sense given the in universe comments and abilities/power shown. You're puling stuff out of thin air.
@Kyoka Suigetsu That just proves my point. Dangai scales to True Shikai. Dangai was stated to be above 4th Form Aizen, who transcends hollows and soul reapers. That would include Yamamoto.
@Kyoka Suigetsu Yama was out of commission by that point. Though we could take the words of Isshin, Urahara and Yoruichi who aren't average Captain level combatants either. Isshin said "he felt like he was hitting nothing, it was creepy" when referring to Aizen. He was surprised that Ichigo could feel the immensity of Aizen's power (like any reaper normally would), when he himself couldn't.
@Kyoka Suigetsu I think you're getting things mixed up. When was Isshin facing off against a weak/normal/not on a certain level hollow? If you're talking about White he was Vasto Lorde level (the sole reason why Ichigo has a Vasto Lorde transformation). If you're talking about Grand Fisher, then Isshin didn't even try against him.
But in CFYOW it states that Candice's lightning attacks aren't as fast as lightning, and at that time both Tsukishima and Ginjo are having to put in effort to dodge her attacks. And given that Ginjo was able to contend in speed with Fullbring arc Ichigo, in order to say any Bleach characters are lightspeed, they have to be over 2,481 X faster than base Ginjo and Tsukishima and Fullbring arc Ichigo. If you're someone with a fetish for calc's and multipliers you probaly could argue EOS Ichigo, Aizen and Yhwach may be lightspeed, but any other Bleach character being lightspeed is extremely hard to argue unless you just say CFYOW isn't canon despite Kubo saying it is. Obviously this is only an issue if you compare Ichigo vs Naruto as we know for a fact Naruto is way above lightspeed as it says in the data books but to argue Ichigo is you must use all the headcanon and highball w*nk multipliers you can to argue that. I'm not saying Ichigo or other Bleach characters aren't lightspeed and above, it's just much harder to argue they are than Naruto which outright states they are.
Nigga the luitenets dodged a light speed menos grande attack back in soul society yes her attacks are a lower speed then lightning but she can fire off multiple of them and ginjo and tsuki still dodged them also Ichigo washed ginjo entirely during the fight he didn’t even need to try they aren’t comparable what so ever esp eos Ichigo with the vasto lorde transformation along with the ten times speed multiplier from bankai
The questionable ones are probably pre Soul Society arc and the calc he did for Full Hollow Ichigo (that is a bit questionable but believable nonetheless). Though without any databook (would love a new databook by Kubo), we can only assume based on statements. Like Bankai is 10x multiplier in speed and power, Hollow mask/forms are also the same. The issue though is True Bankai Ichigo. His Horn of Salvation form is weaker than God Yhwach, but his bankai actually monsters him. So this means that for Ichigo his bankai is far greater than 10x multiplier.
@Mukentsu Depends in which stage of his evolution Aizen is: pre-hogypku Aizen wouldn't stand a chance, same goes for most of the forms coming after that.
I am a fan of both series, but Ichigo is just too powerful for Naruto. Screw Attack stated Ichigo was faster then Naruto, that would be an auto win in most fights. Then they said that Kurama protects Naruto from everything (yea tell that to Boruto, where he got impaled by an ordinary blade). Ichigo has Blut and SP defence, Blut is noted as the perfect defence (it stopped Yhwach's blade from cutting Ichigo). In short so much inconsistencies and Screw Attack couldn't be bothered doing the research (as usual).
