9:50 Linus points at a chip on the board and makes an incorrect assumption. What he is pointing at is a common Ethernet Isolation Transformer and not an Ethernet Controller. Edit: The actual Ethernet port there is controlled by the system controller chip which is why there is none built into the main CPU die.
Yup, and sometimes this transformer thing is integrated right into the jack I learned that while working on using an RJ45 connector for a non standard application
@@JUSTKOZ hmm yes clown for making a simple mistake. They're not a board designer how are they gonna know what that is. The only clown here is you for tryna clown LTT.
@@mokubakaiba1751 he said worse case scenario, also it could theoretically catch fire bc to get the same wattage at 110v vs 220v the amperage would be higher which could short or fry something not specced for a higher amperage, which doesnt seem far fetched on such a cheap psu that might not have modern protections
Got the desktop kit for $250 in india...installed it in silverstone SG13 case ( $70 for case, 140mm fan and power supply) and I have myself an 8 core, 16 thread, 16gb desktop for a total $320...I think that is great value and performance at this price (if you are not buying it for gaming ofcourse)
6:38 - the traces make this circle pattern for impedance matching; else the signal bounces back through the trace like an acho chamber and starts interfering with itself. Stuff that starts to happen when you have circuits running at GHz speeds!
I don't think it is impedance matching. Impedance of the trace is a function of is width rather than its length. But that is not to say there is no impedance control at all. The traces that take a circular path are probably of a "less critical signal group", such as address or control signals. Routing guidelines for DDR signals prefers the data bus to be routed first and be length matched (i.e. the squiggly ones) because it is (more critically) synchronous and operates at the highest clock frequency, while other busses are routed later and do not have quite as strict routing guidelines. It would matter more for a differential signal pair (which most DDR signals are not) to be impedance (and length) matched to ensure the signal edges travel together.
Thats NOT correct. The 8 chips are used in parallel , which saves on the trace density on the PCB , He can see all the traces, because they put all the RAM in a circle around the CPU because PCB had all that area available to be used. If they had bunched all the chips together in a row, they could have plenty of empty space, but they would have used a PCB standard with higher trace density (more layers or more per inch ?) Its only new to Linus because the SOC CPU and inbuilt RAM and missing IO slots meant that PCB was much larger than the smallest area PCB required. So he can see the traces on the two layer PCB.
You under estimate my being in South East Asia. Its only $300 after converting from Php. Its called here factory over run PS5 motherboard in specs of PC pre built
@@AaronShenghao most of the stuff that we have over here have prices that are ~60% tax. I bought a 1030 for 450 reais at the start of this year, if I'm not mistaken, around R$280 were just taxes.
5:57 "that PCI Express slot - it's Gen2"..."that's exactly what the PS5 M.2 slot is" Wait what? I don't know what Linus is smoking. The PS5 expandable storage specifically calls for Gen 4 drives, and works with high performing Gen 3 (from LTT's own video). It's obviously not Gen 2.
it probably shows the onboard GPU. Windows likely just doesn't have drivers for it because most console GPUs are custom made and do weird shit. While this video is about the ps4 (below) the same applies to most consoles. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QMiubC6LdTA.html
PlayStations 4 and 5 for the North American and Japanese market are label 110/100 V. but they’re all actually auto voltage, you have to disassemble it to see this on the power supply.
9:54 No, this is not an ethernet controller. Those are just some filtering coils that every device has directly behind the ethernet port. The controller can be anywhere else.
This combo is much cheaper in South Africa. Actually borderline makes sense in fact given how unaffordable it is to build a pc in Africa considering an up to 300% mark-up on some components.
The power supply only supporting 240V is a efficiency thing. Only supporting "one" standard makes it not only WAY cheaper but also simpler and more efficient
I admit, I am still a bit disappointed that LTT did not install FreeBSD on this thing (for which NVIDIA has official drivers for the 10 series cards) for the “full-er” PS5 experience.
@@Jake1702 Technically I think the PS5 OS is based on the PS4 OS and the PS4 OS on the PS3 OS... but the PS3 OS was based on FreeBSD. Excellent choice, if I had to pick a base OS back in 2005 I would have picked the same one. But it's hard to tell how much FreeBSD is still left in there now.
@@sleepyuser5189 Uh, I think I saw some articles at the time discussing how data miners found code on the PS4 that matches some PS3 code, so it looked like the PS4 OS is a continuation of the same codebase. But like I said, it's hard to say how much of the old code was left - all we know is that there's some. Maybe now that both consoles have been cracked people have had a chance to analyze it more in-depth, but I haven't kept up with that.
this desktop board kit is available standalone for 120$ here in India and looks like a good choice for office pc , ofc u need to buy a gpu case ssd psu separate.
I feel like scrapping the chipset as e-waste is better than building these crap boxes that will be entirely ewaste within 5 years with their shoddy performance.
I think this video was uploaded at 16:9 rather than the wider aspect ration you guys usually use. On iOS, I see the black bars on top and bottom (when not zoomed in). On all the other LTT videos I don’t see the black bars (when not zoomed in)
Back in the early '90s when dual-mode power-supplies were first a thing, there was a switch that would allow you to change it from 240V/50Hz to 120V/60Hz. One time I plugged in a power supply to a 120V/60Hz outlet while the switch was on its 240V/50Hz setting. The only thing that happened was that the front-panel LEDs lit up very dim and the computer didn't boot. Of course, when I saw that, I turned it off very quickly, so maybe it would've caught fire at some point if I'd left it on? But for the less-than-ten-seconds it was on, nothing happened. I unplugged it, flipped the switch to 120V/60Hz, plugged it back in, and everything worked fine. No apparent damage.
Plugging 220 into 110 does the same thing as putting dead batteries into something. As in nothing happens. 110 into 220 is when you get sparks and fire.
hate to tell you 220-240v is quite popular world wide, with north America and Japan being the major users of 110v. Pretty sure European PSUs are normally have active power factor correction.
Fun fact, Sony uses that ethernet chip so that if you're downloading stuff in rest mode the CPU doesn't need to turn on at all. In rest mode the CPU won't turn on which is how they got the rest mode power usage so low. It also takes the downloading load from the CPU when the PS5 is turned on as well.
I'm not sure that the cheapo fan would pull it off when the GPU is enabled though. It might go through the roof because of performance or because of the fan, is all I'm saying.
Ither than US and a few countries, others mostly prefer 240Volts. And based on the manufacturer and Aliexpress, doesnt seem like it was meant for the US
should be priced out at 200-250 for the whole kit since you need a gfx card and it's bottlenecked... all it would be good for is like a home file server, which something like a raspberry pi would do fine at.
Yeah if they put price to lower end. This pc will be good for basic use for excell stuff and word. Because soo many office still use cheap old pc for this purpose
@@niteriderevo9179 less cache with lower frequency than zen 2 bottlenecked further with gddr instead of ddr ram making its performance more similiar to full speed zen 1 with ddr ram.
@@darkwolf1739 give zen+[zen1 refresh] the same limits and it won't perform as well as zen2 does, the ps5 core is 8 zen2 arch cores paired with a custom amd gpu as a SoC
But you are forgetting that these parts will have a much longer life than if they were just tossed into the scrap bin right away. Everything is going to be E-waste at some time or another.
@@jad43701 I mean I understand that angle but if the product that you make from garbage is itself pretty garbage then I don't understand what the point of making the product is because all the other processes to make the garbage has generated more garbage
Not the first time AMD has done something like this. Years ago I had a phenom II x3, that was basically just a phenom II x4 with a core disabled, probably due to not performing as well as the other 3. there were even reports of people unlocking the 4th core. Love the fact this silicon was not going to waste, particularly because a lot of the time by the time you get to the point you know its floored, the product is in the final stages of manufacture.
all chips are like this. they make a batch of "identical" chips, and then sort them into product lines. it's the same reason when the military buys hard drives, they always come with the full 1030GB; because they pay extra to get the cream of the crop.
I think the main problem was that there was no way of telling that it was 220V only PSU unless you removed it from the case since there was no sticker on the plug extension indicating that. Also most mid/high end power supplies do support both 120/220 volt so most consumers would be caught off guard. The regional thing can make sense in a short sighted way but once the device goes on the used market that argument falls apart. As a manufacturer you have a responsibility to clearly indicate any safety concerns about a product before it goes into the customers hands
Most power supplies automatically switch based on the input voltage and frequency, working on all power grids across the world. Making one that only works with one voltage and frequency is cheaping out.
It's just like you can have 300 amp alternator in your vehicle. Only pulling 150 Amps. You won't damage anything in your vehicle up to 300 Amps. It's all part of Ampere's Law. Which can be stated as the magnetic field created by an electric current is proportional to the size of that electric current. With a consistent proportionality equal to the permeability of free space. So in layman's terms here is long as you're polarity is correct. Extra current capability of a power supply. Will only be supplied as needed. As long as the original power supply is enough for the load. Same voltage of the power supply's output will be the same as before.
According to the sticker on the power supply, it takes up to 220v ac. It can use wall source from USA and Europe. Not having a voltage switch there means it automatically switches to use the lower voltage
Are Jonsbo cases any good? Since Linus mentioned them it reminded me, I've been considering one for my budget-focused build since I like their aesthetic and they're quite affordable
They look great, most of them have good build quality and use good quality materials, and a few use a chimney layout for decent airflow. Most of them I can recommend, but they all have compromises. I wouldn't recommend them for your first build ever, but if like how they look and you can plan your build ahead, then yeah they're pretty awesome.
AFAIK the PS5 IO controller - just like the PS5 memory controller actually - is at least partly custom Sony hardware. This board doesn't seem to be using any of that because it's either turned off like the GPU or absent, I think it piggybacks on the leftover PCIe lanes for everything.
@@KillahMate I do not have a ps5 but based on the direct storage thingie where the textures are directly loaded from the ssd and the minimum speed requirements for an ssd to be compatible, I would assume that the nvme slot is directly connected to the apu and not running thru a chipset. But it totally makes sense that they could turn off some io or pcie lanes. Maybe as linus pointed out the problem is in this part of the silicon and thats why they turned the board does not have an m. 2 nvme slot. Or maybe due to some defection not all internal buses in the apu are within pcie gen4 specs so they enforce pcie gen 2 to meet the apus capabilities.
Linus responded in another comment. He was referring to bandwidth. Gen2x8 has 4GB/sec bandwidth, which is the same as gen 4x2. Although, I'm still pretty sure the PS5 slot is Gen4x4.
Love these videos where you go deep into the hardware. Also showing the latency and bandwidth of DDR vs GDDR was very interesting. Wasn't aware of that. 120 ns seems not that much compared to 60 ns. I expected more gains in 15 years. Would have been good to have an explanation there, why it is soo detrimental.
That is a really dangerous power supply and it should be VISIBLY marked on the outside of the case with the necessary warnings. Especially when it can start a fire when used with the wrong power.
You should have plugged that in, so no one else have to do that. As a kid, around 30 years ago I put one power supply to 115V and we have 230V mains... capacitors blew up instantly. But 230V power supply with 115V... nothing should really happen?
No, he is not. This is not the first time and definitely won't be the last. Garbage clickbait, just dislike and do your part! don't be a sheep like all those blind fanboys!
In Europe you can buy the Board for 370€, there are some reviews. The biggest Problem is see is the high Idle Power on this system and the bad S-Ata drive connection. The high Datatransfer rate of GDDR6 would lean to a dezent file Server, but then it would need 4-6 S-ata Ports and the PCI-E Slot would be for a dual 10Gig Card. With the high Idle Power Consumption it discqualifies as a NAS Board, together with the 2 S-Ata Ports. That would be a great Area to use it, as home server. 16 Gig Ram are adequat, the same goes for the CPU Power and Data Transfer. But then it would need a very low Power Consumption in Idle mode. My Suggestion to AMD: Cutt the PCI-E 16x down to 8x, use the 8 lanes for a 2.5 GBE Network Card, putt 6 s-ata ports on and then reduce the Power Consumption. Then this Puppy is a nice ITX Serverboard for Smallbusiness or Homeserver, 2Gigs of Ram per Core is just enough.
I actually get 55.2ns memory latency in my 5900x, you gotta run slightly higher CCD and IOD, and use b die, 1:1 3800 MT/s GDM on. I run 16-(15)-14-12-27-42-294, and CADbus 24-20-24-24
Here in Indonesia, it's priced 7,7 Million IDR, or around 543 usd. It is still a good options for a pc with dedicated GPU (RX 550), 16GB memory and 128GB SSD.
@@GreyBlackWolf only the RAM timings are. They would be crucial to performance intensive tasks and snapiness but you average grandpa/excel and chrome user doesn't really care about it. Heck,some might still bee on HDDs
@@Ghfvhvfg Linux in general, yes. But you can't just slap any old release onto any old system. E.g. x86 releases on a M1 mac wouldn't work. Also for gaming you'd obviously need pretty decent graphics drivers.
So if the APU on the board is technically defective. What would happen if you got a professional to remove a good APU from the PlayStation 5 and soldered it back to the board. Would the performance change? Would it even work?. I think this needs to be answered.
Just to be clear at around 3:20 where its revealed that the PSU doesn't support 120v. Thing is it's rated for higher input voltage so unless you exceed that you're not in a danger zone. It would be quite dangerous the other way around. If a unit supports 120v and is rated at 120v poor implementation of OVP or OCP could result in a more catastrophic failure should someone accidentally apply double the rated voltage at 240v (UK mains) This way round all you'd see is nothing. Quite safe assuming unit is upto spec
A 230V PSU will not explode on 110V. It wil either function fine (and is just wrong label) or not turn on. Most PSUs will also run just fine on DC power btw., but nobody has 12 car batteries around (in series 120-140V).
Tis the nature of the chip shortage I suppose. Companies could be lowering tolerance levels to meet up with supply and demand at the relatively small cost of more DOA or lemon products rolling off the lot, at least to a given company’s bean counters. The higher complexity certainly doesn’t help matters either.
Shame, I really like APU's and smaller system build options. With an actual good custom cooling solution that system would make a decent HTPC if the APU was functional/existed. I planned on getting one of the new Ryzen 7 5700G(E)'s if I was able to get my hands on either for a reasonable price (lmao). Also a new motherboard with APU compatibility as well to mess around with it before I throw my RX580 or 6700-XT depending on use case.
DISCLAIMER: As a guy who has connected countless times “only 110v” stuff to 220 and viceversa…. No fireworks, no burning… at most a dark stinky smoke and your broken power supply. No damage to your actual device.
Plugging in the lower voltage power wouldn't likely do harm. The slightly higher frequency is more of a concern, but still should be within tolerances I would have expected. If it's a switch-mode psu then I'd be surprised if the voltage input didn't matter at all. Worst case is your voltages would be half.
@@manalagrawal2136 Yup...they are giving 16 gb memory varient in INR15,500 and clubbed with HDFC card offer INR14,600 for whole CPU with rx550 and 512gb sata SSD.
if PCIe bandwidth is an issue, couldn't you limit the available resources to the PCIe bus? Some BIOS's let you adjust the settings, and I'd be curious to see if that affects performance.
Plugging 120v to 220v appliance will not "Burn up". The power supply can certainly get damaged and in rare cases, it can also damage other components but for the most part, it will simply not turn on. I know, I've tested it. You have a higher chance of your 120v power supply burning up on it's own which is an extremely rare case despite all Gigabyte's attempts. When I say burn up, I mean catching on fire.
Meh, I'm pretty happy with my 4750G that cost me $450 last year and is running on a B550 - with fully functional Vega 8 graphics. Huntkey is OK on the low-end, I have a few H702 60w ITX cases. I think an older AMD A10 Biostar A10N-9630E will do better with it's PCI-E 3.0 x16 slot.
WRONG !!! You don't avoid active PFC with 220/230/240V AC input. The International Electro-Technical Commission wants it as well. Which begs the question "why ISN'T it Universal voltage".
